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FFK was so petty and acting like a spoilt kid. What is with him talking about knowing Ameachi when he was poor, what is anyone's business with that? Is it because he is the child of a rich politician and his father could afford to send him to school abroad? He said he remembers when Ameachi used to wear one cloth for many days, and that it is only in Nigeria that someone like that can become governor. i mean, is that not very senseless? Does he not also remember his oga at the top used to not have shoes supposedly? Is that a criteria for becoming a leader or voted into power? Then he downplayed the decision of the SUPREME COURT to make Ameachi governor. SO he has no regard for supreme court judgement or rule of law? He said it twice that Ameachi became governor by Supreme Court, is that supposed to score him 3points or what? Is the Supreme Court ruling unlawful? Did Ameachi not win the next elections for second term or what exactly was his point? He just crammed all the propaganda stories about Buhari and repeated them in 30minutes without any shred of proof. He discarded all honesty or credibility(something Ameachi just reminded us that FFK lacked) just for campaign. He accused Buhari of saying APC cannot lose(painting it as a bad thing to say, even though i will not be surprised if he was lying and Buhari did not so say) and ended up saying that PDP cannot lose but will beat APC mercilessly nationwide. He lied that Jega said INEC was not ready for elections. Every minute seemed to carry one lie or half truth. He was just too personal, even calling the people in APC demons. Is this guy on nairaland, he was just too childish.

MichaelSokoto:
FFK was busy dishin out hott LIES on national tv & I was like, "how dis man take dey sleep 4 nite sef?"

Smh

i tell you, at a point i became afraid. how can someone so highly positioned lie like swallowing saliva. He was just lying and spreading propaganda. Not issue based at all, just personal attacks. It seemed Buhari and Ameachi owes the man money, the way his temperament was.

Luke's christians conduct/behaviour to political leaders.

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Luke the evangelist, the popular writer of two books in the Bible, the gospel according to St. Luke and the Acts of the Apostles. Luke was a great historian, he was a christian and a friend of Paul the apostle, a first century christian and disciple of Jesus. Luke is a historian of first rank. He wrote his books to one Theophilus, a political ruler. The detail Luke puts into these two great books is of note, and shows his work ethics, thoroughness, and regard he had for his audience. Luke did not possibly know that his book will make the list of Bible books. It was just a correspondence to a man, but God used it. This is how he addresses Theophilus.

Luk 1:3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
Luk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.
Act 1:1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,

He called him MOST EXCELLENT, that is a very high title. Theophilus was junior to Luke in the faith if even a believer. Yet, Luke regarded and recognised his political position. Also, in his writings, he never puts in a personal attack or grievance in describing other political leaders of the time. He simply referred to them as "the elders", "the rulers". Luke knew so much and seems more educated than the average disciple and apostle of his time, but he did not demean or treat the sinner political class of his days with contempt or derision.

*next PAUL, interesting man, mr apostle to us. i'm very excited about Paul's stanceS.

When exactly did health become a top criteria for good governance? With all Fayose and GEJ's supposed good health, we're not getting good governance from them but lies, mediocrity, propaganda and hot air. Fayose should be ignored, best treatment for his rabid proxy use by the Presidency.

vooks:
Thank you for following my advice. Google is your friend.
Semantics won't save you

Obviously i don't need saving, you need to calm down and pay attention.

Call Him using the key C minor, works better, rubbish.

vooks:
Image123,
There is a level of shallowness in your post that I find irritating

Let's discus this;
Re: Proper Christian Conduct/behaviour To Slave-Masters

Ample verses on the subject

Colossians 3:22 (KJV)
Servants [SLAVES], obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God:

Ephesians 6:5 -8 (KJV)
Servants [SLAVES], be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; 6 Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; 7 With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men: 8 Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.

1 Peter 2:18-19 (KJV)
Servants [SLAVES], be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward. 19 For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.

And now, let's personalize this. Supposing your wife is kidnapped and made a slave. What would be your counsel to her in her new status as a slave?

This would detract from the thrust of the thread, which is POLITICAL leaders and christian behavior. Kindly use a church leader close to you, or a bible commentary or open another thread for the interpretation of the verses you quoted if necessary.

vooks:
Next to scriptures, Google should be your best friend

The national effort made by black people and their supporters in the 1950s and 1960s to eliminate segregation and gain equal rights.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/civil+rights+movement

Calm down and understand what is being said. You should notice the plural i have been consistent with. Civil rights is not limited to the struggle for black emancipation. Civil rights movementS have been before then and continue to be. i'm not limiting what i say to only that however if you have specific questions, ask specifically and I'll answer the best i can. Civil and political rights are a class of rights that protect individuals ' freedom from infringement by governments , social organizations, and private individuals, and which ensure one's ability to participate in the civil and political life of the society and state without discrimination or repression. Please note the pluralS and perhaps check these links too.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_and_political_rights


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_civil_rights_leaders

vooks:
The highlighted, clearly you are clueless about the movement

Civil right movement[b]s[/b] are not only limited to those that fought for black emancipation or apartheid, it refers to any union or association involved in promoting civil rights and liberty. Do not limit it to just one popular or particular movement.

Just to clarify and elaborate on something especially seeing lastmessenger brought it up. i want to be clear that i am not only/just giving my opinion but ALSO stating what the Bible clearly teaches on the subject. i have asked and i am asking for corrections, additions, explanations, exhortations, and of course questions. The thread/posts is not just Image123's idea or invention, it is what is in the Bible visible for every literate to read. That we do not agree to or understand it may be another issue, but treating it like i manufactured it is somehow. BTW, the christian ought to RENEW his/her mind by the Word of God, from what he thinks or feels is obtainable or should be.
Phili 1:10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offense till the day of Christ;

A growing christian ought to want to know more of God and reach greater heights as seen in the Bible by grace. The things i am sharing, i also have my wows and 'doubts', and questions and even reservations. But we cannot do anything against the truth but for the truth, as it were. i do not understand God many times but i know Him, at least to some extent. i know He is invisible though i wish He wasn't and sometimes do not fully understand why. i know He wants us to pray and that He answers prayer, though i also do not understand fully why we should even pray when He knows what we are going to pray about already. And on and on.
And so when the Bible said the powers that be are ordained of God, i don't fully understand that too. But i believe that and i know that. Why do i know that? Because of my little experience and knowledge, but more importantly and which i share, because the Bible several times and assertively says so. The powers that be that are referred to in that epistle(Romans 13v1) is not referring to Peter or Jesus or Apollos or the Church. He is referring to the political rulers, the Caesars and Herods and Governors and co. There is no power but of God, He says. Nothing escapes God, God is fully aware of every position and promotion. It is not an exaggeration that He says.Mat 10:30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
Jesus is not exaggerating or playing when He clearly says Mat 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. If God is so detailed and aware about birds, make no mistake He knows about every single king, president, promotion, ruler etc.

Lam 3:37 Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when the Lord commandeth it not?
There is no election or selection He is not aware of. There is no coup or primary, interim government or even class captain that He does not know. John the baptist was very straight about it and holy ghost indwelt. He said Joh 3:27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven. Try as hard as you want, if you do not have heaven's permission, allowance or go ahead, no one can get any position of power. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Jer 27:5 I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by my great power and by my outstretched arm, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto me.
Jer 27:6 And now have I given all these lands into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, my servant; and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him.
Jer 27:7 And all nations shall serve him, and his son, and his son's son, until the very time of his land come: and then many nations and great kings shall serve themselves of him.
Jer 27:8 And it shall come to pass, that the nation and kingdom which will not serve the same Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, and that will not put their neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, that nation will I punish, saith the LORD, with the sword, and with the famine, and with the pestilence, until I have consumed them by his hand.


What we usually think i guess, is that God would/must give to only christians or believers or nice people. God is not that way. In fact, God most times would not give political power to His friends, not on this earth or dispensation.

Dan 2:21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:
Pro 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.
Dan 4:32 And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.

God giveth it to whomsoever he will.
Dan 4:17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.
1Sa 2:8 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD's, and he hath set the world upon them.

vooks:
Civil rights movement is about CHANGING the Laws/ordinances and you are saying we should be busy obeying...hallo?
Can you show me an instance where believers attempted to change the Law of the land in Biblical times?

Civil rights movements are about righting perceived wrongs. They are about defending and liberating the weak and the downtrodden from segregation, discrimination and abuse. They are not about changing laws. They do not have to be insurgents. i have clearly said it and even repeated that there is nothing wrong with demanding a change for the better. i have only stated(and aim to show) how christians should or should not go about such demands. Christians are not to revile rulers or engage in insult, calumny, riots and mayhem or violence. Two wrongs do not make a right.

frank317:
This is becoming tiring because you have resulted to asking silly questions.

It you understand what perfection is, then you will know its not a human attribute. Now I am wondering if you are here for a joke... Why do I think someone who DOES good is good? You why do you think that someone who repairs car is a mechanic?
So if Stalin gives alms to the poor, he is bad?

If you say marriage is good and ai ask you why... You will tell me why I.e, you tell me it brings families together, makes a lady feel fulfilled etc.

And another says marriage is bad and I ask him why... He tells me it leads to divorce etc.

If a jury weighs the advantages and disadvantages given, they could be able to determine if marriage is good or bad. There is not difficult there.

But If I ask you why is God good... You say because he is good

They are not silly questions but questions you cannot answer because they shatter your poor thinking. You have decided to stick to your opinion for NO REASON. Perfection is who/what's attribute? Can you give me three examples of what perfection is and why? There are people who repair cars who are not mechanics, they simply have the experience or can DIY(do it yourself). You have consistently avoided telling us if God is good based on your premise of good. The Bible and christians record and recall God's good deeds, is He good? That is your premise right, that if someone does good then he is good. So, is God good?
Are you saying that Stalin is good? i hope you know Stalin? Joseph Stalin of Russia. With all you know or learn about him, if he gives alms to a beggar in your street, is he good?
The very point you make about marriage is what i have been saying all along, there is need for a higher authority to determine what is good or bad. There is nothing difficult there, you see.
God is good because He is the definition and determinant of what good is. So, more than deeds, He is the one that determines if a deed is good or bad.
Jam 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

You gave me a dictionary meaning of perfection, which is cool, and now you are asking me what is my standard or guage to concluding that one is perfect. Perfection is for one to be without error... No human can be without error.
I don't subscribe to any God's standard because you are yet to even show me what ever God did that made him good. You are even yet to show me any God.

Yes someone might think his wife is perfect, the person knows he errs, its not a fact. Its just the use if words to describe how he likes her. I have once said my girl is perfect but I know deep down she is not.

Okay you know prayer or preaching is good when you do it, but you think when I help a friend I don't known it is good?

Religious people are confused if they don't know when they do good or not. It is even confusion that makes them religious.

Again, give me that three examples of what is perfect. Who determines what is error, because one man's poison is another man's food. What you may think to be error and waste and rubbish, is what another person is using to make millions and become wealthy and happy and satisfied. goodness is not primarily by deed, so i do need to show you what God did that made him good. It is not what He did that made Him good, it is His nature to be good. i did not know you were looking for God, maybe i would have shown you earlier. God is not visible to the human eyes, He is a Spirit. Just as you do not see radio waves or ultraviolet rays, they are in another frequency/sphere. In a similar vein, God is not visible to the physical eyes.
BTW, i'm not talking about you and your girl. i am talking about people like in the Israel and Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, who think it is perfectly okay, both deep inside and shallow outside, that they can kill others. that they were born to kill others, that some other people do not deserve to live. i am talking about tension in the Middle East and the conviction of mass murderers and terrorists. They believe, and their followers believe passionately in what they are doing. There are people who believe deep down and shallow up, that some other gender or tribe or persuasion should be suppressed and never rise. When religious extremists do what they do, THEY THINK THEY ARE DOING GOOD. They do not know that they are doing bad, neither do they even care. i mention religious extremists because i am trying as best as i can to make sure you get/understand it. It is not limited to religion, the world's most genocidal maniacs and despots have been non-religious. They believed passionately in what they did.

Shut up there... You don't know what existed before humans so stopt telling me bull crap.

You can't even tell me why you think your God is good... Now you want me to accept goodness is his concept... How's that?

You do not have to behave rude or immature to have a discussion or remind me that you are an unbeliever, it is never a sign of smartness or brilliance. So, are you saying that the things i mentioned(water, fruit, trees, weather) did not exist before humans? You say they are rubbish, can you logically explain how? i have repeatedly told you why God is good, you have refused to see it. God is good because it is His nature, it is what He is, He defines and determines goodness. Goodness is not determined primarily by deed else you should be repeatedly wailing God is good for the next few years non-stop.

vooks:
No I don't understand because you are bent on not making me understand.
Civil rights movement is unbiblical but you don't know whether the participants sinned against God or not because it is not your job to decide? Is it your job to tell us what is Biblical and what is not?

i have not said civil rights movement is not right or unbiblical, you are mixing things up. i said civil DISOBEDIENCE, unrest, reviling, calumny is not right and not the Christian way. Christians don't judge in the context in which you seem to want me to, judgement is not our job. We can teach, exhort, correct, discuss, explain.

But Fayose the ekiti governor was at Deeper Life prostrating and saying he is born again na. i do not really see it as a big deal or huge indicator. At least, Christ Embassy too is not in the news. Even scoan is missing in action.

lastmessenger:
Even when they bow down to satanic shrines to get power by all means, the powers that be are from God. Even when they do things to put the life of the people in perpetual penury and suffering, the powers that be are still from God. what a sick and anti=human way of interpreting the bible.
what if a civil disobedience leads to the emergence of a new government that delivers a better life to the people? is the government still from God ?

Lol, it is not easy to believe the Word of God na. i'm often amused when folks(especially atheists) say christianity is a easy option. i said ordained BTW, what is your interpretation of the passage?

vooks:
nobody has enough energy to force you nothing.i just asked a simple question; in the light of your diatribe, was the civil rights movement godly or not? If you are not familiar with the movement, Google is your friend. What about apartheid? And negro freedom fighters who resisted colonialists? Is it not hypocritical to go dumb on such serious matters?

Whether it works or not is not the point, nothing works 100% of the time. Surgeries can go south very fast and snuff away the very lives they were saving. So it's not about a billion and one 'other' ways, it's about the way they did it. Was it godly?

i already said it and i say it again, they do not need to be violent or revile the government to get things done. Aluta, civil unrests and insurgency are not the biblical way to get things done. Asking me if they're sinners or saints is not my job to determine. Did they do the right thing by protesting the conditions? Yes. Did they go about it the best way? No. Are they sinners or going to hell? i do not know and it's not my job to decide. Hope you understand better now.

vooks:
You are evasive.
It's either right or wrong and you are in a dilemma because the two instances of RSA & USA produced extremely positive or you can say Christian values of equality (love your neighbor as yourself) yet it came from something you detest.

Nobody disputes 'looking to God' but we are subjecting Image123's version of the same to REAL LIFE.
If you have no opinion on Luther or Rosa Parker then you should hold your peace forever

you cannot force me to condemn them or approve them na. i have said that there are other ways that they could have gone about their demands. Nehemiah had a demand for his people, same also did Daniel. like we both agree, protests or political activism do not always work. In fact, most times, protesters usually need to calm down and enter into peaceful dialogue before issues are resolved. The end does not always justify the means.

Early christians conduct/behaviour to political leaders.

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1Co 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
1Co 5:10 Yet not altogether the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

The church had already received instructions not to company with sinners, they took it extremely literally it seems. So, in this epistle, the instruction was reviewed, and they were told it was not altogether or totally in the sense they were going about it. In this world, there is no way the christian will not meet with, relate with, and sometimes have to dwell with or company with sinners, except they leave the world. Even the hermit does not escape, and christians are not called to be hermits but to be shining lights showing forth God's praise and glory. And so, you would have to relate with sinners, fornicators, idolaters, homosexuals, immoral and lecherous individuals. Your boss, your landlord, your tenants, your colleagues at work, in the hostel etc. The man that determines your promotion, the professor that gives you an A or E grade, they may be chronic womanizers, drunks, mastubaters, occult and so on. But you must needs relate with them. In the bank, in the market, on the playground, in the laboratory, at the hospitals, everywhere. They may also be heads and leaders. What is the christian conduct to these people? How did the first century, bible christians relate with, conduct and behave towards political leaders. This is what i aim to examine.
The political leaders during the time of the first century christians were the Roman Empire chiefly, then they had the local heads in Israel like the Herod and the Sanhedrin. The Sanhedrin was major made up of the chief priests, the Pharisees and Sadducees. We all know that these were not very born again people. In fact, they were responsible for crucifying Jesus Christ. They were always antagonistic to Jesus and withstood Him everywhere and every time. They were always looking for His fall/slip. They were also rich and powerful. These people were sinners, thieves and hypocrites. They had the woe of the Judge of the earth hanging on their heads. But it is humbling and almost surprising to note that the first century christians and apostles never reviled them. They never called them names or raised an insurrection or insurgency against them. Even though they hoped and asked Jesus for a change of government.

Act 4:8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,
Peter referred to them as rulers and elders of Israel. The apostles and disciples recognised rulers and kings. We should not think that because you are a man of God, or a child of God, and "citizen of a heavenly kingdom", then you disregard the rulers and elders. Even when they are so wrong as to kill Jesus, blaspheme Him, and persecute you. Peter was filled with the Holy Ghost. Some people think that, if our pastors are filled with the Holy Ghost, they will not regard the president or the governor.

Luk 24:20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
Luk 24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, today is the third day since these things were done.
When Jesus was crucified, and His disciples did not even know that He was risen. Two of His disciples were talking about the political leaders, they referred to them as OUR RULERS. Mr President/Mr Governor is our President/Governor, whether you like him or you do not like him. A christian should not scathingly criticize or address political leaders. We should never deride, abuse or revile them. If there are challenges and demands to be made, there are proper ways of going about them without being abusive, derisive or disrespectful, even when you think you are better than them.
i will be talking on other christians in the Bible subsequently, and also OT characters as God permits. Inputs, clarifications, questions and corrections are welcome, i appreciate the contribution from vooks thanks.

frank317:
Duhh

-Someone who does good is good
-God is good because he good
Pls guy/guys which of this two statements makes more sense?

Has morality reduced to an opinion poll? Why do you find it so hard and unreasonable to give reasons why you think no one is perfect? Why do you think that Someone who does good is good? Who determined(s) that? What is the criteria for saying that? is Stalin good if he gives alms to the poor? What is good, because to me God is good, marriage is good, prayer is good. To some other person, God is not good, prayer is a waste, marriage is not good or unnecessary. Who is right in the two of us? Is it opinion poll that will/shall determine? Even opinion polls change and fluctuate you know?

You are not perfect, stop lying to win an argument.

The reason why we can live without hurting others is because we are not perfect. We can be good but not perfect. Listen even if you do good you will know it like wise the person you did good to. If you do bad you will know it and the person you hurt will know too. Goodness is a human concept that we use to measure people's behaviours towards us.

i described to you how one can be perfect using the english dictionary and the God standard, you were speechless. Who or what is perfect? What is your standard or guage that makes you arrive at the conclusion that no one is perfect? i think it is good for me to preach the gospel to you and pray for you. i know it when i do it, would you? When religious extremists do what they do, THEY THINK THEY ARE DOING GOOD. They do not know that they are doing bad, neither do they even care.

Goodness is a human concept. What do you mean by 'long before there were humans? What do you know about the time when humans were not on earth? You guys go about talking like you know it all. Tell me what you know about the time before humans came. Stop delving into topics you know nothing about.

You can quote and requote all your fairy tale book... The fact remains that reality is reality and fairy tales are fairy tales.
Well, you can be good but you can never be perfect.

Goodness is not a human concept. The things that existed before humans were good and bad. There was good water, there was bad water, there were good fruits and trees, there were those spoilt and poisonous ones. There was good weather and bad weather etc. i am trying to stay within your ambit of processing. Does science not go about talking like they know it all? No one can be good without God.

vooks:
It is no guarantee I agree. So would you without batting an eyelid say that all Christians who participated in anti-apartheid protests were sinning, and they SHOULD NOT have?

i'm not the Judge, i'm just saying what proper Christian conduct should be. In our "strive" towards pleasing God and christian growth, i think we should look more to God and His Word than before instead of just what obtains or obtained.

vooks:
Image123,
Where do you place political activism in your worldview which almost always is accompanied by some form of civil disobedience?
Supposing Negroes in the US were just docile, they'd still be living under far worse conditions. The American Negro is the most advanced Negro in the whole world by any standards all due to agitation.

Come closer home. South Africa apartheid regime.

Political activism accompanied by civil disobedience is not right for the Christian to engage in. Political activism is no guarantee anyway. We have many 'noble' and loved political activists who didn't get what they want. Fela, Solarin, Fawehinmi, Soyinka and co have not made Nigeria a better place for instance.
i'm not promoting docility or nonchalance. Request and requirements can be made without civil disobedience. Daniel, Nehemiah and Moses all made requests that were against government policy, but they didn't resort to civil unrest, aluta, violent agitation, reviling, calumny, slander, insurrection and similar action common to unbelievers.

omo17:
He came to ogun state to commission a project without the presence of the state governor, wat a shame to the former president come may 29

EmmaAjayi:
Amosu is supposed to be here no matter what.

Because it is a political gimmick. The power plant has been there for years, built i think during obasanjo administration nipp. They had a problem with gas which i think they have now fixed, that is what the president came for. They are telling half truths and playing people to think this administration built the place. Olorunsogo plant is close to papalantoro in ogun state. I am currently close to the place for a weekend program, there is no light as i type. Since morning.

Psa 119:11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

It is when we imbibe the Word of God that we will not sin against God. The Word of God may not be popular opinion but mark this, though hands join in hands the wicked will not be unpunished. Even if everybody has a different idea, God's idea is still the paramount for the christian. What is God's idea about our leaders?

Exo 22:28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.
The 'gods' here are the rulers, the judges, the political leaders, the government. We are not to revile the gods. To revile is to attack somebody verbally, or to use abusive insulting language. Nobody has the right to abuse or insult rulers. Many christians ignorant call the president, the governors and other rulers unprintable names. This is very wrong and unchristian. Again, i have to re-iterate that i am not saying(neither is the Bible saying) that we must agree sheepishly with the government. But even when and for whatever reason you do not agree, as a christian your conduct must remain proper and untainted. Let your light shine in this dark world. Daniel did not agree with everything Nebuchadnezzar did, he did not even like his food. i doubt that Daniel liked the fact that Nebuchadnezzar had killed many Israelites and taken them as captives to Babylon. But Daniel did not revile or curse, dare to be a Daniel.

anonimi:
What are the tangible achievements of Buhari in this sector?
Thanks.

He did pretty well in the educational sector as PTF chairman. Why do you think we should go back about 30years or limit ourselves to 30yrs ago or only some months of Buhari's life? What if he was never head of state, or must he be scored only on when he was head of state? i score him on his discipline, integrity and will to do right. The present administration has simply not done enough, and even the President said that if he cannot do something in 4 years, then he cannot do it if given even 100years. Even without him saying, i know his capacity. Someone who can afford to neglect all university for about a 7month stretch at once, such a fellow does not care about education.

frank317:
No man can be perfect if you like have bible as your breakfast dinner and lunch, when the time for decision making reaches, u will drop it and consider how ur choice will favour u or not.

All these ones na long story. I have never seen a perfect Christian. I have never seen a Christian that I can confidently say is much gooder(again permit me to use this word) than all Muslims I know.

What is ur God still waiting for to make them good? You think you can just quote the bible and everyone joins u in ur confusion and delusion?

Why do you think humans cannot be perfect? Any reason? Should we just without reason harp continually that no one can be perfect? You lack exposure not to have seen a perfect christian. How many christians have you seen or known all your life?

johnydon22:
Now he wants me to post more..

exodus 22:20 Kill all those who worships others gods except the lord

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than
your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that
worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16

Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your
own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7

Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13
Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed
in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Mark 6:11

Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him.
Jude 5

talk about barbarism...

Do not revel in ignorance. Either you have deliberately lost the context or you never got the context of what i was saying. i earlier explained already punishment for people based on agreement to be different from morality or moral standards. The Israelites or jews never achieved morality or being good by killing anybody for any reason. They did not kill or punish their neighbouring countries for not worshipping God. This was the original context in which it was presented when someone tried to compare to isis and boko haram. Christians and jews are not and were not told to kill others that are not of their religion, neither do they do it to become righteous or attain goodness or get to heaven. All that you quoted(that applies) are punishments for their fellow jews who were under the same covenant/agreement. Every jew had an agreement/old testament/old covenant that they were bound to, and they had their prescribed punishments for defaulting. They were circumcised, they were to offer some particular sacrifices, go to a particular place, learn the torah, keep the commandments etc. These were all under their agreements which they had signed into LAW. It was their law. They did not go and attack egyptians or philistines or babylonians. In most cases, they stayed far away from mingling with them. Get your perspective right and do not derail needlessly.

frank317:
See you... How is ur God good? All you reply is my God good because he good.

What make ur God good? What has he done that makes him good? Tell one thing he did that shows he is good.

Is he good by sitting down in a golden chair in the sky and watching humans suffer for their own mistakes? If you are a father would you be a good father if you allow ur son suffer terribly because he made mistakes? He watches the devil he created torment and deceive his loving creations year after year and you say he is good?

Remind me exactly why you say your God is good. Tell me just one good deed he did.

i explained to you that it is like asking why the letter A is 'A'. That is the standard, the base, the definition. i was asking someone what a meter is. i got literally played around like a ball. Why, because a meter is the measure itself. So, i was told a meter is approximately YYYyard. And you know i asked what is a yard, and i was told a yard is XYZinches, and you know i asked what is a inch, and i was told an inch is ABCfeet. Then the feet definition brought us back to DEFmeter. i do hope you did not lose the point. Good is not measured by deeds, it is what God is, what God says, what God stands for. God is the definition of good. If you want to know what good is, look for what God says good is. It is good to be godly, it is good to be kind, it is good to give thanks, it is good to serve God, it is good to be diligent, it is good to pray, it is good to love God etc. Deeds are not the primary things that make one good, deeds can be good however. A murderer is not good because he gave alms to the poor. A thief is not good because he helped his sick friend to the hospital. Their good deeds did not make them good, did they? If however you still insist on knowing some of God's good deeds, i will reel them out for you, no qualms. But the point you miss is that good deeds are not primarily what makes you good.

frank317:
Why do I think no one is perfect? What a question. Mr image.... Is any human perfect? Look I am not here to answer silly questions.

Listen, if someone does good, he is good. If someone does bad he is bad. What does the above mean? If john does good in his house and does bad in market...,he is good at home and bad at the market.

If a christian gave you this sort of reply now, you would almost go wild. you seem to have no reason or logic why you think no one is perfect. Don't just tell me stuff and expect me to take your words for it, or are you God? You complain when i just tell you stuff and expect you to take my word for it. If i say God is good because He is good, are you satisfied? Why should i be satisfied when you say "if someone does good, he is good. If someone does bad he is bad". On what premise or basis do you conclude that? On your 'john analogy', do you use that for God also? Is God good in His house? Because when christians talk about God being good and they talk about His deeds and His wondrous works, you and your type do not say God is good at home. Are you being partial/selective?

No human is perfectly good or even perfectly bad. Why? Because we are human and sometimes have to make selfish decisions that might hurt others. Yet some people are gooder (permit me to use the word) than others. Some people are known to be good majority of times than bad, this does not make them perfect. But it makes the good.

i am perfect, deal with that. What is your definition of perfect, i described to you how one can be perfect using the english dictionary and the God standard.There is nothing you do that will not hurt others, no matter how good or perfect. Perfection and goodness is not tied to the reaction or feeling of others. Some people are hurt and jealous when good things happen, do we avoid good things happening so as not to hurt them?

Goodness is a human concept and not ur bible's or ur religion's. You religion is only trying to confuse it. We don't have perfect Christians just good Christians. We also have bad Christians. No Christian is perfect. If you like quote the whole Bible, reality is reality. Since you have been reading your bible what has it done to you? Are you better than me? You are still struggling with ur emotions as to when to do good or not. Do you really love ur neighbour as urself? Who are we deceiving.

If you make a decision that benefits another and does not show selfishness. You are said to be good. Believing is a Jewish God does not make one good, rather its ones good deed that makes him good.

Goodness is not a human concept, goodness has been long before humans. Or are you saying nothing was good or evil before humans came? You do not define religion, you do not even know what it is. the people that know say some people are perfect. God says to be perfect, Jesy Christ says to be perfect. Who are you again?
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
1Co 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to naught:
2Co 13:11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
Phi 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

If you like deny the whole Bible, God is real, christianity is real, i am real. Your unbelief does not stop the work of God. i don't struggle with my emotions as to when to do good or not, it is a lifestyle. i lovemy neighbour as myself. Repetition does not make what you are saying right, i cannot believe you blindly. Prove what you are saying, is that not the stance of the unbeliever? Practice what you preach, as it were.

johnydon22:
U dont even read the bible.

Commandment to wipe out whole races Deuteronomy 7:1-2

WHEN THE Lord your God brings you into the land which you are entering to possess and has plucked away many nations before you, the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than you,
2And when the Lord your God gives them over to you and you smite them, then you must utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them, or show mercy to them.

They are countless examples in the bible ; The story of noah being the worst (Tho it was copied from the sumerian flood fables)
Sodom and gomorah...
God charges saul to wipe out the amelekites and live none alive... so many of them

Your ignorance is appalling. dalaman asked "So if God says killing of those that do not worship him is good then it becomes good right?" God never said or SAYS killing of those that do not worship him is good. The three instances you ignorantly gave were not due to them not worshipping Him, get your facts right or show how.

anonimi:
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14 substandard universities that only condition will make a parent desire such school for ward admission. Almajiri schools built with money from international community. Those are not tangible achievements.
The corruption you claimed he is fighting, NOI the coordinating minister in charge of the money keeps lamenting that Nigeria cannot really fight corruption.

We live in a time when many people feel that there is a dearth of true leaders and leadership. On second thoughts, i think every time has always been like that. Many of our leaders today are followed more by the spur of sycophancy, selfish interest and hope for favour, not exactly because of their endearing leadership qualities. The class that is not drawn by these often feel alienated and with the rights to disparage and abuse leadership. Abuse is never a righteous thing to do, and calumny or jealousy is never a christian thing. That our leaders are poor leaders or wrong leaders is never a reason for the christian to do wrong. Wrong is not right, wrong is not correct. That another or a leader is wronger or wrongest is no reason for the christian to be wrong. We should still be right, the righteous is supposed to be right, the righteous is supposed to hold on his way. The commandments and the examples are very clear, both in the Old Testament and in the New Testament, and professing christians should learn to do well and be followers of what is good.

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Believers believe God and believe the Word of God, else they are not believers, are they? EVERY SOUL is to be subject to the higher powers, the powers that be are ordained of God. Coming from the natural human standpoint, it is almost crazy to believe that. The powers that be are ordained of God. Paul looks at the despotic Emperors and Caesars, the Herods and Pilates, and he says "the powers that be are ordained of God." There is no power but of God. In other words, God permits them to be there. They cannot be there if God did not give the go ahead. Therefore we should be careful how we talk about or think about them.

Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
The disciples of Jesus and the apostles were never involved in any protests and demonstrations against the government. There are lawful ways and spiritual ways of making your requests known. Christians should conduct themselves in biblical ways and not follow the multitude to do wrong or allow their flesh and passions to override the perfect will of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God. Why then would a christian risk or jeopardize eternal life for damnation. Let the dead bury their dead. The Bible is not saying we should not speak against evil or be non-chalant to what is happening around us. But do not break the law, do not resist the power. To resist her is to oppose or to set one's self against authority. The greek word there is ANTI(antitassomai).

Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Here is the shocker, the surprising one. He is the MINISTER OF GOD. Christian conduct is not looking at party or political system, He is the minister of God to thee. This verse says it twice, it is very emphatic, HE IS THE MINISTER OF GOD. So be more careful, professing christian.

Rom 13:6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
He repeats it again just in case we did not get it the other time. Our political leaders are God's ministers.

Rom 13:7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.
We are to render to them all their dues. Do not say this government is a thieving government therefore I will steal from them too. Or I will not honour them or obey them or pay my dues. Let us pay tax and tribute when due. Whatever they might be using it for, well that is left for them and the justice system, and of course God. Christians pay your taxes and bills. Also give custom to whom custom. Whatever is lawful or customary or traditional to do, let us do as much as it does not negate the Word and command of God. Because we ought to obey God rather than men. Give fear to whom fear and honour to whom honour. Fear is respect or reverence. We should respect and regard our political leaders, even if they are not of the same ideology, beliefs or party as we are. Even politicians know that themselves, and try to duly observe all protocol. We believers and christians should also know that. Honour them, do not dishonour political leadership.

i will be adding more instances and references and explanations. Questions and explanations and exhortations are welcome from all.

dalaman:
So if God says killing of those that do not worship him is good then it becomes good right?

Does He say so?