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Candour:
You're bad and poor at everything you've set out to do on NL so much so you deserve pity.

Keep seeking the attention you so desperately need.......

Quit repeating yourself like a broken record, seek Jesus. Wise men seek Jesus.

italo:
The hundreds of thousands of Protestant communities and the millions of "non-denominational Christians" in the world have different contradictory doctrines. Yes or no?

The catholics are disagreed among themselves on various issues like gay priests, abortion and evolution. Your point is mute.

Here is the Catholic teaching concerning homosexuals and ordination:

In the light of such teaching, this Dicastery, in accord with the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, believes it necessary to state clearly that the Church, while profoundly respecting the persons in question [9], cannot admit to the seminary or to holy orders those who practise homosexuality, present deep-seated homosexual tendencies or support the so-called "gay culture" [10].

[9] Cf. Catechism of the Catholic Church (editio typica, 1997), n. 2358; cf. also CIC, can. 208 and CCEO, can. 11.

[10] Cf. Congregation for Catholic Education, A memorandum to Bishops seeking advice in matters concerning homosexuality and candidates for admission to Seminary (9 July 1985); Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, Letter (16 May 2002): Notitiae 38 (2002), 586.

So you guys have being on this issue since 1985 and 2002. Yet there are still arguments and contradictory views by priests and popes on being gay. Again, your point is mute. What you are attacking outside is also attacking you inside. The Catholic church is not in uniformity.

On evolution, the Church teaches that, if evolution is true, it was/is ordered by God.

There is no confusion on Catholic doctrine. It is well documented. Sorry to disappoint you. You seem desperate to justify the contradictions and confusion in protestantism's doctrines by manufacturing contradictions for the Catholic Church.

Very convenient if. Why the IF if there are no contradictory views. The informed know that some catholics believe there was no evolution, while some believe there was.

Yes, I can hold personal opinions where the Catholic Church does not have a definitive teaching. That is allowed in Catholic teaching. But I cannot teach something contrary to what the Catholic Church has taught definitively. That would mean opposing the Holy Spirit who teaches through the Church.

Why can you hold personal opinions and not have denominations hold personal opinions? Do you think that those denominations think they are teaching contrary to what the Bible teaches?

In protestantism, you say that Christ Embassy is "church," yet it teaches that masturbation is not a sin and many protestants (so called members of the Church) teach the opposite.

And many more examples. By what spirit is the Church teaching opposite doctrines? Holy or evil?
But all of Christian doctrine is about redemption and eternal life.
Why then do you say some issues are salient, and must not be disagreed on...while others are non salient and opposing them does not make one step outside the Church?

You cant show where the Bible makes such distinction. You are trying to impose your personal tradition as truth. No?

And who says the Roman Catholic is church if Christ Embassy is not church? Who determines these things?
Do you think women should cover their hair when praying? How is it about redemption? How is it about eternal life?

1Co 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

You mean God's visible Church can be false? Meaning God's Church can be run by the devil?

Are you thinking of what you're saying?

If the visible church can be false then how can we identify the true Church...since we all learnt what "Church" is from a visible entity...which could be false.

Ever heard of false prophets, false teachers, false apostles and false brethren? Where do you find them, in the mosque?

italo:
After the Church made a definitive teaching on the issue, was opposition to the teaching tolerated...like you do in the guise of "different opinions?"

What was the definitive teaching? As far as i remember, Paul later asked for Timothy to be circumcised. He also wrote that circumcision/uncircumcision was not an issue.

1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

thehomer:
What's wrong with not "giving your life to Christ"? Doesn't Christ have his own life? How can dead people be mentors.

Not giving your life to Christ especially when you could have shows your pride and decision to go to hell literally. You miss out on the power to live the life of a child of God. A life that enjoys victory and power over sin and its influence. You miss out from a possible eternity with God and instead settle for a possible eternity in damnation.
A mentor gives guidance, training and advice to a less experienced and often younger person. That is what Ingersoll and co are to you. You copy and paste their thinking and ideas.

How is it incredible?

How would anybody come to conclusions that only idiots are absolutely sure of salvation, or that the more brain you have the less your chance is? What makes you think that believers are not expressing their real opinion?

I am in a position to say what cruelty is. Are you in a position to say what cruelty is? There is morality and it doesn't need your God because your God is not moral.

How did you get into such a position? What if another's position differs from yours, what makes your position superior? Are you moral?

Of course not. He should be ignored totally.

When are you going to follow these words of yours? Does it haunt you yet that you do not know the God of Heaven?

Candour:
You're bad at everything you've set out to do on NL. Not just now.

Meanwhile, keep seeking the attention.....

My big bad was that i refused to agree to the facts that you had backsliden earlier than i should have. Remember when i told Gombs about you? That was already too late, my bad. Listen to your friend and go and seek God's pardon instead of replying moi.

WinsomeX:
I am sure Image can speak for himself. Oya, Image123, where have I ever attacked your liberty to tithe?

When you call people IRREDEMABLE because they tithe, you have attacked liberty to tithe. When you condemn mbaemeka on the same lines, you have attacked people's liberty to tithe. When you go around asking trip questions that we have answered frequently, you have attacked people's liberty to tithe. When you teach both as drumb and this handle, that tithe is fraudulent and bondage, you have attacked the liberty to tithe. When you call or mention me like this to come read something against giving under which tithing is, you are attacking my liberty to tithe. Of course, when you teach and believe that tithe is strictly Moses', you attack the liberty to tithe.

Candour:
Don't you have someone to spare you some attention at home?

I will talk a million times over any issue with anybody ready for a mature discussion devoid of displays of childish tantrums. For you, I reserve the right to repeat myself or refer you to the archives when I so chose.

You have any any other problem?

I see I've been a bad mentor to you, you didn't complete your training as you've only learnt bad thing half-baked. I apologise.

Candour:
Hope you won't turn this into another infantile display of immaturity? I was having a mature discussion with mba. You and I have discussed this exact point on a thread last year. You might want to check your past posts to confirm.

Oh my mature spinefull red-herring speciality. You cannot hide your lack of under standing and grasp of the New Testament/Covenant and the Church.

Candour:
What is wrong in coming together as a church and deciding together to contribute a percentage of our income to run legitimate programmes of the church? Is that not how the new testament church lived?

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, habaaaaaaa. Has this fellow's handle being hacked? I explained this same point to him several times but he vigorously and viciously fought it in the name of debate.

Candour:
If you pick tithing for yourself, good for you. Same with the person that decides to practice feast of tabernacles. They however aren't rules for Christians otherwise the apostles would have told us.


What if I decide to take the tithe to needy brethren instead of the church? After all Christ even said the least of the brethren represented him? Would the blessing in Malachi still follow?

These clearly confirms a lack of understanding and grasp of the New Testament/Covenant and the Church. The church is the brethren, giving during service in the congregation is a basic submission to authority and combination of effort(unity).

Gombs:
Very weird

Omo, let's stop this thing oh. I didn't know people were so fragile oh, see me see trouble. Vooks is weeping and gnashing teeth already, i no dey this matter again oh.

vooks:
I weep for you the the same way I weep for those who offer sacrifices under sacred trees in the name of Jesus...white garments are they?

Please remind us all of why you're weeping for me, thanks.

vooks:
Jesus taught that your giving should be in secret. Not even your right hand should know what your left is giving. The reason is because your giving is NOBODY's business. Your toxic garbage is what we are exorcising using brains and Wisdom from scriptures

So my giving is nobody's business, yet y'all have your knickers in a suicidal twist over our tithe giving. That's weird.

Gombs:
Until you and your brigade find a verse in the good book where tithing is condemned, I see no basis to continue debating it.

No basis whatever. In nanny's words, there's no point telling a blind man the sky is blue jorrr. See as their ears stand for thread as dem hear tithe.

vooks:
I don't speak pidgin. What are you saying?

Answer the part you speak na.
Wages of sin is eternal separation from God? Who told you that? E bi like say today na harvest sha. See stockpile, lollllll

vooks:
Nobody really cares about your percentage of giving to God, in fact how would we know what percentage you gave unless you told us? The baggage or garbage tithing brigade attach to that is the problem

You don't care? That's news. So, tithe is significant one way or the other?

Gombs:
Bizarre, aint it?

Really bizarre fellas. Tithe is the law when convenient for them. It is their benchmark. I'm not on a computer, i for show you how highly they think of it. I think it's drumb or so that fondly calls it baba.

vooks:
Apologies my brother,
I was referring you to consequences of breaking the Law for people UNDER the Law

Wages of sin is DEATH or eternal separation from God

Wages of sin is eternal separation from God? Who told you that? E bi like say today na harvest sha. See stockpile, lollllllllllllaaaaa.

vooks:
You want to have another go ensnaring us?

What was your point in aksin the questions?

Oh you do learn hard. When did i ensnare you? Why is it important to have ANOTHER go? Do you know that those are the same questions you and your fellows ask us when we make simple biblical and common sense straight forward explanations?

vooks:
The significance of tithing is not in the 10% but in the enslavement of believers through half-hearted attempts at keeping Torah, the blatant mutilation of scriptures, the dishonesty and the subsequent Pharisaical pride; 'I am not like other men, I give tithes of my all....'

Okay, let's get this right this instance. TITHE IS VERY SIGNIFICANT in the enslavement of believers through half-hearted attempts at keeping Torah, the blatant mutilation of scriptures, the dishonesty and the subsequent Pharisaical pride; 'I am not like other men, I give tithes of my all....'
Is that the position? This seemeth to be position season.

Candour:
Good, oya drive home your point na. How long will I beg you to do that? Paul used ox and corn, why not pick up the devourer as you've been itching to but are too spineless to do?

We drove them home and parked long time ago, don't be a jew man waiting for the first coming of your messiah.

Candour:
You're spineless man, that's why you find it difficult to take a stand here. Sensible men keep mute when they are not knowledgeable about a subject matter. I advice you do same. Gombs took a position, mbaemeka took a position. Try take one or shut up and let adults talk.

Keep seating.......on the fence, keep trolling; that's what cowards do.

Lol, you the spinefull one, i guess you're feeling better now being spinefull. I presume you would receive a dirty slap if you told satan(the father of liars) that you don't know my position, teaching and opinions on your new found question toy. Your guess wasn't as good as mine, I'm seated in Christ my brother.

vooks:
Bidam,
The penalties don't apply to Christians and that is why you don't stone adulterers or witches. Or do you stone them in Naija?
Read for yourself Deuteronomy 27:26, Jeremiah 11:3 and Ezekiel 18:4

Ah ah, but when i said this same thing in different words on Malachi, you called it suspended thinking, pretense and being hard of hearing(whatever that means). There is a God oh.

Bidam:
Ok, never mind.

He should be minding with Goshen360 na.

trustman:
Any significant thing required of the Christian will be found in the New Testament epistles which constitute the blueprint for living the Christian life.

Antitithers think tithe is very significant.

vooks:
1. They don't apply to Christians
2. You have innumerable injunctions against adultery in the NT and on that basis, you have no right whatsoever to climb on your brother's bed Adulterers and whoremongers God will punish

Oh Lord, the ping pong answers. I guess the NT is being legalistic as we're not under the law na.

vooks:
Image123 wondered whether the two verses apply to Christians. Am saying they apply but not because the verses exist but rather due to the NT emphatic censuring of adultery.

Unbelievable, i just read this fellow tell me they do not necessarily apply. Well well.

vooks:
John the Baptist was under the Law and as such his injunctions to those under the Law do not necessarily apply to Christians especially on Mosaic Law just like Jesus'.

Now, we know that wife-inheritance was part of the Law. Recall the Saduccees unsuccessfully testing Jesus on resurrection by demonstrating the absurdity of the same? So whatever John saw Herod doing was not inheriting but forcibly taking his brother's wife while the brother was still alive. This amounts to adultery whether the wife belongs to the brother,cousin or anyone. The sin in question in both of these verses therefore is adultery. Adultery is condemned in the NT in just about each of the 27 books. This means you don't need Leviticus to tell you adultery is sin

Am sure you are trying to ensnare somebody by demonstrating their inconsistency in applying Torah. If I were you, I'd pick another verse like say On beastiality.

I don't usually respond to rude people just in case you are mostly ignored. I didn't ask for a teaching or opinions, i asked two questions which expect two answers, that's all.
Do you think that scripture above applies to a Christian saved by the blood of Christ today? Or we can go get our brother's wife as we're saved by God? Also i said nothing about inheritances so save your sermons for Sunday service.

Candour:
Paul used it in his epistles to gentile Christians to drive home a point. Can you point to one instance in the new testament under grace where ''devourers'' was used to drive home any point about christian giving?

Hahaha, you don't get it, how could you? You've probably received a strong delusion package on this. So Paul used it to drive home a point, but if we drive home points, you call it twisting and dishonesty and almost bite your own hands on context? There is a God oh.

Candour:
The bold is "perceive". I guess its the delusions that confused your knowledge of the English language so suddenly.

I don't watch Nigerian senior male national team anymore even before their last caf cup triumph. I don't need over pampered footballers to give me high BP so the scores did not bother me. Infact I'm happy for SA.

Try and get something to stand on. It's a coward that acts like you do.

See what you're standing on, interesting. Parseived typos. You're deluded on many fronts so i will not worry that you were deluded to guess on my knowledge of the language. Keep on standing, I'm seated.

trustman:
You never seem to face issues in a straightforward way.
You prefer banters to clear-cut presentation.
I want to believe your partner rhyme john did more work
on that tithe discussion thread than you.

Here, instead of focusing on Malachi you now want to
divert attention away to some other thing.

You're so ... ... ... SMH

Lol, look who's talking. Your lot aren't interested in or worth discussing with. Any opposition to your/their views is seen with disgust and personal attacks. I'd rather banter and have a good laugh than waste the effort.

BabaGnoni:
^^^
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Wasnt you asking "Who released Gnoni to quickly come and play on NL?" and hence the orange tree rhyme,
now you are getting the hump... tsk tsk tsk

All the same, hold on to your knickers,
I am already quaking in my boots, so no need to call up the calvary
- I've backed away.

Hibernation is trendy, remember. Try it too

Before you joined NL under the fig tree, we've been 'hibernating'. You don't even define jare.