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Bidam:
You are going off course, read the preceding verse to know how the redeem is done. Redeem is simply to buy back, just as Christ redeem us from the curse of the LAW, the question is, is it with money? It is also used of God buying his people back from the slavery of Egypt (Exodus 6:6; Isaiah 51:10; 63:9).

Yeah brother, he was right on that. the Israelites were allowed to redeem the tithe of the crops but not the animals.
Lev 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD.
Lev 27:31 And if a man will at all redeem aught of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.
Lev 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.
Lev 27:33 He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.

The whole chapter was on about things that could be redeemed/bought back.
Lev 27:13 But if he will at all redeem it, then he shall add a fifth part thereof unto thy estimation.
Lev 27:15 And if he that sanctified it will redeem his house, then he shall add the fifth part of the money of thy estimation unto it, and it shall be his.
Lev 27:19 And if he that sanctified the field will in any wise redeem it, then he shall add the fifth part of the money of thy estimation unto it, and it shall be assured to him.
Lev 27:27 And if it be of an unclean beast, then he shall redeem it according to thine estimation, and shall add a fifth part of it thereto: or if it be not redeemed, then it shall be sold according to thy estimation.

From the chapter, houses, fields, even unclean animals could be redeemed and the conditions were stated. The priest would evaluate the price(according to the estimation), which was usually in shekels of the sanctuary(that's also seen in the chapter). So if for instance someone wanted to tithe say a homer of barley, he could be valued/estimated at fifty shekels for instance. Adding a fifth(1/5) to that would be adding 10shekels, so he would pay 60shekels and take his homer of barley.
That's just by the way sha.

PastorKun:
^^^


Olodo, the "whole nation" being referred to was the levite nation. It was the levites that were supposed to take tithes to the store house referred to in mal 3:8-10 and not the children of Israel in general.

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Bidam:
A simple common sense really. God NEVER gave man paper money. He gave man LAND as seen from the garden of Eden. It will be foolhardy for God to require paper money from man which is a medium of exchange or a legal tender used instead of the conventional and unorthodox trade by barter used for centuries.

A man's wealth is measured in land acquisition never in coins or paper money. Like i told zikkyy, the antithing mantraa of the tithes being ONLY agric is false and an error, no one is stopping the tither from SELLING a piece LAND( Joseph) and using a medium of exchange called money to give the Apostles(Acts 4:36). Abraham tithes was NEVER AGRIC. Everything we have on EARTH is gotten from land whether paper money,gold, diamond, oil, corn, wine etc. even man and animal was created from the dust of the earth.

The key word is WHETHER. leviticus is NOT a definition of tithe. Let's look at it once again.

Leviticus 27:30-33,

"And all the tithe of the land (God is taking to the children of Israel), [size=16pt]whether[/size] of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lords: it is holy unto the Lord. And if a man will redeem aught of his tithe, he shall add unto it a fifth part thereof. And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the Lord. He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and that for which it is changed shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed."

Whether is a conjunction word used in indirect questions or used to offer CHOICES OR ALTERNATIVES. If it's the tither choice to offer his tenth as money to God so be it. Abel's offerings can't be the same as Cain. Jacob's vow of tithe can't be the same as Abraham. Even the Levites tithed through Abraham. In other words it predated the LAW and your life, just as Jesus predated the LAW.

If you want to use another lame and weak argument like circumcisions you can go ahead but also you will be ready to shun all dubious claims on marriage, worship, clothing and human government which have their foundation in the book of Genesis and since we know Christianity has its roots from Judaism you cannot discard one while holding on to the rest.

Moses wrote Genesis and Apart from Christ no MAN has the revelation of what God intends for his people like Moses not even Paul.

Brother, help me ask them why oil and wine are agricultural and paper money isn't.

MarkMiwerds:
God said His holy tithes were agricultural. You can continue to try to spin your silver and gold into the fabric of the tithes all you want. But no matter how much you say the tithe is money, the Bible proves you to be wrong.

God's Word reveals that His holy tithes were never carried to the New Testament Church, never collected in the New Testament Church, and never controlled by the New Testament Church. No matter how much you claim that the Church has authority to take God's holy tithes, the Bible proves you wrong.

I'll stick with what the Word of God says.

You allege that I have no fear of God, but I contend that it is just the opposite. I have a great respect for my Father. It is not me who is in blatant disregard for His Holy Word... Rather, it is you.

Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Describes you very well, doesn't it?

MarkMiwerds:
Yes, the issue was answered by me. Image just refuses to accept the Biblical proofs and undeniable facts.

Like i already said and is clear for any sane and unbiased person to verify, this your post that i'm quoting and replying us the answer i was asking for. i made that clearer here. Unfortunately, your bile is so much you would probably argue even if i said something so basic as "Jesus is Lord'. The crux of what i asked which you replied to was "NO verses says/stated emphatically that they could not tithe non agricultural stuff. Stop twisting Deut 12 to support your lack of understanding. It says ALL THE THINGS WE DO HERE THIS DAY. Were they tithing before getting to Canaan or no?"
Okay, lets examine your answers.

Proof: Leviticus 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.
Leviticus 27:31 And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.
Leviticus 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.
Leviticus 27:33 He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.

Fact: God did not say 'And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, or of thy silver, thy gold, or thy wages is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.' He said the tithe consisted of crops and livestock... nothing else.

We're asking for what God said. Any english student can see that the above quote DOES NOT say emphatically that they(Israelites) could not tithe non agricultural stuff. We all know and can all see that the PASSAGE talks about agricultural tithes, but to twist and force it to say what it doesn't say is mischievous. It gives no prohibition on non agricultural tithes. The context of the passage was on vows, offerings and their redemption. The primary lesson from that passage in context with the rest of the chapter is that tithes of crops were redeemed/redeemable, while tithes of animals were not redeemed. It didn't say anything about other types of tithes and whether they were to be redeemed or not. If you were doing a basic english comprehension exam or test, you wouldn't come up with the extras you are asserting here. Why are you then forcing a bible verse to bend to your doctrine/opinion?
Perhaps the word 'holy' is the issue here. that something is holy simply means that thing is set apart or devoted. The Bible shows that anything can be set apart, even human beings. Material things, food, heart, money anything can be set apart or 'holy'. Every devoted thing is most holy unto the LORD. There's no special esoteric God's holy tithe anywhere. The passage is simply saying that tithe of land and animals is/should be set apart for God i.e through the priests and levites. It is a matter of facts statement, not a statement to exclude other scriptures. Other scriptures show people who gave God non agricultural tithes, that is the simple point. Any child of God should have a right to devote of his possession to God.

Proof: Numbers 18:21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.

Numbers 18:24 But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance.

Numbers 18:26 Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, even a tenth part of the tithe.

Numbers 18:28 Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the LORD of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the LORD'S heave offering to Aaron the priest.

Deuteronomy 14:28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:
Deuteronomy 14:29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

Nehemiah 10:37 And that we should bring the firstfruits of our dough, and our offerings, and the fruit of all manner of trees, of wine and of oil, unto the priests, to the chambers of the house of our God; and the tithes of our ground unto the Levites, that the same Levites might have the tithes in all the cities of our tillage.
Nehemiah 10:38 And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house.

Fact: God did not say the tithe was to go to Levites, widows, orphans, strangers in Israel & pastors on Gentile soil. His tithe was to go to people in Israel.

Like we both agree and you yourself said, Tithing was for sustenance and feeding. that is as common sense as it gets. In understanding, we ought to be matured. It is this very principle that is employed in taking care of the church's needs and its workers. that is a simple understanding of the spirit of a law, instead of the letter. The antagonists of Christ wanted the letter of the law, Christ showed them its spirit and principle. The wanted the sabbath the way they thought it to be God's holy sabbath. Christ showed them the graciousness in the sabbath, they were blinded about what they thought was not lawful. In the same vein if not worse, you say and we agree that we are not under the law, but you are busy advocating that we must obey what you think is the law. We choose to obey the Word of God. The Word of God shows people who gave tithes before Israel was born. Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good? i want to give God a tithe of my income. Do not let it grieve you.

Proof: Deuteronomy 12:1 These are the statutes and judgments, which ye shall observe to do in the land, which the LORD God of thy fathers giveth thee to possess it, all the days that ye live upon the earth.

Deuteronomy 12:10 But when ye go over Jordan, and dwell in the land which the LORD your God giveth you to inherit, and when he giveth you rest from all your enemies round about, so that ye dwell in safety;
Deuteronomy 12:11 Then there shall be a place which the LORD your God shall choose to cause his name to dwell there; thither shall ye bring all that I command you; your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the heave offering of your hand, and all your choice vows which ye vow unto the LORD:

Fact: God said tithe was to be observed once the children of Israel crossed the Jordan and found rest from their enemies. They were not required to tithe until they entered Canaan.

Well that's common sense as the Isrealites were not working but were receiving manna all that time. i don't expect anybody who is not working to be giving tithes, tithe of what?

Proof: Deuteronomy 12:8 Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes.

Fact: God said things were to be done His way, not man's. His tithe was to be agricultural, to the Levites, widows, orphans and strangers in the land that God had promised to Jacob... Canaan. They could not have tithed money. They were not to do what seemed right in their own eyes. They were to do as God commanded.

You do know and you just said that the Israelites were not tithing before they got to Canaan, though you forgot to state the obvious reason. They were not working. They were not to do how they were doing in those days, all the things that we do here this day. None of them was tithing, so how did you manage to force that verse on tithes? The verse says nothing about tithes, and obviously is not about tithes as they were not tithing that time. If someone comes and quotes a verse in favour of tithes that doesn't directly mention tithes, the same you will take offence. But here you are, deceiving yourself and others that this verse is talking about tithes.
What is God's way? God's way is found in God's Word and i am convinced that Genesis is a part of God's Word. Genesis shows how Abraham the friend of God gave tithes, The Spirit of God called and accepted it as tithes when referring to it in the NT. It didn't insinuate that Abraham was doing what was right in his own eyes or wrong in God's eyes. Jacob said to give of all he would be given. It's the same principle.
Again, the tithe was for the feeding and sustenance. Man's basic needs/sustenance is food, clothing and shelter. The shelter of the levites and priests was guaranteed. the tithes chiefly took care of the other two, food and clothing. People then didn't need money like we would now. If you were going to be rich, it was usually a factor of your herds and your barns. Unlike today's society where you need money for a lot more. In fact, if you were going to convert your tithes to money, you had to add extra because of the stress of the conversion. Because its like you have food, and i need food, of course you should give me food. Money is not what i need as it were, so if you'r giving me money, it should cover up fr my transport and stress to get the food. The priests and levites had very little need for money(people in agrarian economies had little need for money BTW), so if you're giving them money instead of food and clothing direct, you do the extra. Unlike today, today, money makes the world go round almost literally. i would appreciate you gave me $1000 instead of a thousand dollars worth of food. In fact, a thousand dollars worth of food would greatly stress me today. It's so common sense its a wonder you're not getting it. If i love my neighbour as myself, and love the church and its ministers as myself, i would graciously help supply their need.
1Jo 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

The God that i know would not have any problem with me giving out a tenth of my income, don't give yourself an headache about that.

Proof: Hebrews 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
Hebrews 7:6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
Hebrews 7:7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
Hebrews 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

Fact: The last commandment in the Bible concerning tithes, they are still the property of the sons of Levi. They are still according to the Law; i.e., agricultural.

If you consider where tithe is mentioned last, why do you turn a blind eye on where it was first mentioned? This same passage you quoted talks of Abraham and Levi giving tithes, and it was to a non jew non levite. Tithes belong to God, Melchisedek collected it in that passage you quoted. It is not the exclusive property of levites, but of God. Will a man rob God?

Fact: There is not one iota of Scripture that ever commands anyone to tithe money to Tabernacle, Temple, or Church.

Fact: In the Bible, tithes were never carried to the New Testament Church, tithes were never collected in the New Testament Church, and tithes were never controlled by the New Testament Church.

There is not one iota of Scripture that ever commands anyone NOT to tithe money to Tabernacle, Temple, or Church. We are not under the law so stop expecting us to be subject to your interpretations of the law. We are under grace and can use that grace given us to give graciously of our income to God. Every man as he has purposed, we purpose to give tithe, thank you. The principle of the tithe is all over the new testament. Tithe in any dispensation is a proportion, is given to the necessity of God's ministers. The New testament church was free to give in proportion and to the necessity of the saints. they also gave graciously and far above 10% of whatever they had, whether agricultural or non agricultural. If you're giving or controlling more than 10%, you should have no issues with 10%.

Gombs:
Drummaboy aka WinsomeX has this legendary ability to criticize or condemn a man or ministry he knows nothing about, except what he read from some websites. He criticised Hagin so bad and when properly informed, he confessed he's never read any of Hagin's book, and that point to the fact that he's not listened to any of his messages.


When asked a brilliant question on how he'd advice a world leader, say obama calle d him and asked "WinsomeX, how do I fix falling crude oil price?" WinsomeX will immediately start preaching the gospel and asking for those who'd give their lives to Christ.

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It's no use telling a blind man what color the sky is!!!

hmmmmmmmmmmm, this is so apt a message for me as regards those antitithers that were in the parable of the sky. thanks nanny.

thehomer:
I didn't know dead people could be mentors to living people. Besides, what is wrong with how he ended up? After all, he ended up better than lots of people in the Bible.

He ended up without giving his life to Christ. Now you know that dead people can be your mentors and they are. The likes of Nietztche, Ingersoll, and the other spiritually dead ones like Russell.

It is incredible that only idiots are absolutely sure of salvation. It is incredible that the more brain you have the less your chance is. There can be no danger in honest thought, and if the world ever advances beyond what it is to-day, it must be led by men who express their real opinions.

It is indeed incredible and mischievous of you and Ingersoll to so conclude.

Infinite punishment is infinite cruelty, endless injustice, immortal meanness. To worship an eternal gaoler hardens, debases, and pollutes even the vilest soul. While there is one sad and breaking heart in the universe, no good being can be perfectly happy.

You are not in a position to say what is cruelty and what is not. Is there a moral law to so say? Who gave or gives it?

The God of Hell should be held in loathing, contempt and scorn. A God who threatens eternal pain should be hated, not loved — cursed, not worshiped. A heaven presided over by such a God must be below the lowest hell. I want no part in any heaven in which the saved, the ransomed and redeemed will drown with shouts of joy the cries and sobs of hell — in which happiness will forget misery, where the tears of the lost only increase laughter and double bliss.

The God of Heaven should not be ignored selectively.

The Oyedepo link wasn't shared for argument, it was shared to bless anyone that had need of blessing. There's a balanced approach to biblical prosperity.

MarkMiwerds:
Actually, my 9:50 answer was expounding on the previous answer I had written between 1 & 2 AM. Since your heart and/or greed had you blinded to what clearly was written in my earlier post, I figured I would post it again at an elementary level.



How much do you get paid for your false accusations?

A simple cross-check from you would have shown you that i referred to my 4am post which you've just replied. My 4am post addressed/answered your previous post. You should respect your age even if you don't fear God.

MarkMiwerds:
And, as any honest person can see, I did prove that God emphatically stated that tithes were agricultural only... Contrary to Image's claim that I didn't.

No, they were not tithing prior to entering Canaan. But, they were doing whatever they thought was right in their own eyes. Such nonsense would stop once they entered Canaan. They would do as God commanded or face punishment... And that included the command to tithe. God said His holy tithe was agricultural, and that is what He meant it to be.

Why? Do they pay you to lie? You just sent in your reply 9.50pm nl time, about 3hrs ago. This gets irritating really. I'll reply that post in due time on a computer.

BabaGnoni:
Yeah right.
Rich coming from nairaland religion forum web famous post-crasher whose speciality is sticking nose in other people's threads that doesn't involve him, and leaving trails of graffiti remarks behind.
- the irony is that he now is proffering that others "stay out of our discussion"

Any problem? You seem about to say something or need counsel?

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thehomer:
The Great Infidels - Robert Green Ingersoll

Hahaha, you had to conjure up one of your mentors. Hopefully, you don't end up like him.

Image123:
Delude yourself all you want but those verses and NO verses says/stated emphatically that they could
not tithe non agricultural stuff. Leviticus is clear that WHATEVER is devoted to God is holy unto Him, don't cut that out deceiving others to think ONLY agricultural products are holy. Stop twisting Deut 12 to support your lack of understanding. It says ALL THE THINGS WE DO HERE THIS DAY. Were they tithing before getting to Canaan or no? You can't eat your cake and have it back.

Here is the post that i addressed to Mark which i said he didn't reply.

PastorAIO:
Actually he hasn't uttered a word about denominations or buildings. It's a straight forward question. Can there be a plethora of contradictory doctrines within the church or not? It is a simple Yes, or no, answer. Or may a simple Yes, No, or 'It's Complicated answer'. I don't know if he'll accept it's complicated but I would accept it because I would love to delve into the complications.

italo referred specifically to MILLIONS of contradictory doctrines. The word 'doctrine' itself is used loosely. On difference in opinions, i think even family members have different opinions and understanding on several issues, it doesn't mean they are not family. The same thing with church. You may want to consider what is major and what is minor. Are there millions of contradictory doctrines on who is the way to eternal life? Etc. It's either one believes there is hell or there's no hell. There are no million beliefs in that, just about two or so.

trustman:
He has dealt with an issue you raised.
If you think he has not addressed it well point it out
instead of your usual accusations which are in reality
your faults labelled on others.

Don't be ridiculous. Mark didn't reply my last post to him. Why not stay out of our discussion instead of unfounded and biased poke nosing.

Waste of money. Tambuwal can easily obtain the forms and buy extra for his gateman. Why not use the money to help poor and sick folks or communities? Bunch of flatterers.

MarkMiwerds:
Leviticus 11:22 Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.

In the above verses, we see several insects with the pronoun "his" attached to them. Yet in Proverbs 6:6, we see the ant being used in conjunction with the female pronoun... "Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways; and be wise.

You have knowingly or unknowingly turned a blind eye on my reply to you. Perhaps, you understand the point and are keeping mute instead of publicly accepting or seeking further clarification. Don't do the usual of departure for a season only to come repeat the same trip statement.

Leviticus 27:28 Notwithstanding no devoted thing, that a man shall devote unto the LORD of all that he hath, both of man and beast, and of the field of his possession, shall be sold or redeemed: every devoted thing is most holy unto the LORD.

EVERY DEVOTED THING was "commanded" as holy unto the LORD. Deceiving people ignorantly that it's ONLY agricultural products is dishonesty.

MarkMiwerds:
We've been throught all of it, Image. Your theories have been totally debunked.

Who emphatically said money could not be tithed? God did... When He said:

Leviticus 27:30 (KJV) 30 And all the tithe of the land, [whether] of the seed of the land, [or] of the fruit of the tree, [is] the LORD'S: [it is] holy unto the LORD.

Leviticus 27:31 (KJV) 31 And if a man will at all redeem [ought] of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth [part] thereof.

Leviticus 27:32 (KJV) 32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, [even] of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.

Leviticus 27:33 (KJV) 33 He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.

Deuteronomy 12:8 (KJV) 8 Ye shall not do after all [the things] that we do here this day, every man whatsoever [is] right in his own eyes.

You can deny it all you want, but when you do, you are lying against the Word of God.

He said His holy tithe was to be agricultural, not money.

In the last place tithes are commanded in the Bible, they are still agricultural tithes and still to be given to the Levites.

I don't expect you to accept the facts written in the Word, but maybe someone else will and realize their pastors have been the robbers all along, not them.

Delude yourself all you want but those verses and NO verses says/stated emphatically that they could
not tithe non agricultural stuff. Leviticus is clear that WHATEVER is devoted to God is holy unto Him, don't cut that out deceiving others to think ONLY agricultural products are holy. Stop twisting Deut 12 to support your lack of understanding. It says ALL THE THINGS WE DO HERE THIS DAY. Were they tithing before getting to Canaan or no? You can't eat your cake and have it back.

thehomer:
I prefer beating up your God.

Psalms 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision. 2:5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

MarkMiwerds:
Funny, people were paid money for their work in the New Testament, yet were not required to tithe it. Nor was tithing of money ever a suggestion in either the Old or New Testament.

People bought and sold with their money. Yet were never told "you must tithe your money". Nor was it suggested they could tithe their money.

But it was stated emphatically that they could not.

Who and where stated emphatically that people could not tithe money? On the rest of your post, we've been through the agrarian economy explanation severally. People do business with gold and barrels of oil. It's more common and convenient today to do exchanges with cash. It was more common and traditional to live with agricultural produce than silver. Consider the times.

Zikkyy:
"bring forth all the tithe of thine increase. Emphasis on increase"....image123

The nature of the increase was clearly stated in Deut. 14:22....

.."Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year."

emphasis on the bit in blue...and we find that the "increase" in Deut 14:28 refers to food if we read verse 29......

28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: 29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied;....."

....emphasis on the bit in blue font colour

BTW, there is nothing like "tithe is 10% of income" in the bible. You are strictly on ya own.

We've been through this before. Income is your gain or increase or harvest from work. It's as common sense as it gets.

Zikkyy:
Not sure image123 read this bit posted by ooks, so i am posting it again.....



...image123, please give special attention to the bolded.

God is the Owner of heaven and earth, yet we offer offerings to Him from Adam till date. Find something else to sell instead of holes.

chysam:
Even bible references will not help your understanding so far.You muddle up issues and argue more like an attorney on judicial contract;quick to anger even without provocation and capable of exhibiting temparamental stuffs. Just look at your defence of monetary tithing above. What exactly were you trying to prove?.The passage being very clear even to a goat.Read the concluding part of that instruction again,and see what happened when the tithers arrived with their money.

Can you differenciate between a Pharisee and a follower of christ?. Whatever differences you find between them is also applicable to the issue of tithe.They were strictly in opposition with each other and the christians were being persecuted and killed by them.Now ask yoursself why a judaism faithful would go after his colleague who equally obey their laws and also paid tithes as they did. By Gods grace,someday your eyes and others will open to the truth.

The point where i wish you good luck. God has graciously shown me the truth already and i accepted Him. Every other truth is irrelevant, thanks.

italo:
As if you didnt know what I was asking. Such clear and concise questions.

no, what you asked is different from what aio expressed.

italo:
I deliberately made an assumption and asked a question at the same time.

I dont know what your teaching is...but I know the way people with false teachings treat such simple questions.

Duh.

thehomer:
I know enough about the prayer of believing Christians to know it is groveling. Can you explain how real your God is when compared to Gods like Zeus and Brahma. Also contrast your God's realness with beings like fairies and vampires. The purpose of my life is to live it the best way I can. Since you know how my mentors died, why don't you tell me who they are?



If you think your God is love, he is blind. If you think your God is loving, he isn't.

God is love, beat yourself or something.

blessedvisky:
Hello people, some questions have been disturbing for sometime and I would like you people to answer them for me. According to the New testament, the Rapture will take place, then the Anti-Christ will take over, then Christ will return again with the raptured saints and fight the Beast, the devil and false prophet and triumph. the devil will be locked up in the bottomless pit for 1000years, during which time Christ will rule and reign over the Earth. MY question now is WHY IN HEAVEN OR ON EARTH WILL CHRIST WANT TO RULE EARTH(which is filled with corruption). For you to understand what am saying, look at it this way, WHY WOULD THE SON OF A PERFECT GOD LEAVE HIS KINGDOM IN HEAVEN AND COME TO RULE A FAR LESSER KINGDOM WHICH WOULD HAVE APPARENTLY REJECTED HIM WHEN HE WILL COME TO THAT KINGDOM.? I once asked a pastor this question and he said that how God wants it and it will happen like that. I want to hear tour own opinions pls.

Jesus would rule the earth to show you all how it is done. Basically, that's what it is about. He will rule the earth with the saints for about 1000years, and those years would be real paradise on earth for everybody. After that is when the earth would be destroyed and WE would live happily ever after in the new heaven and new earth.

PastorAIO:
There is a traditional yoruba prayer that Where your Head wants to go, May your feet take you there.

Body parts may be different, but if they don't share the same agenda, na confusion be that o!

I guess Italo was asking whether it is possible for the church to have so many different doctrines and still remain the church. Not whether there are different parts. some are healers, some are prophets bla bla bla, some are deacons bla bla bla, but each of these people are not going to carry a different doctrine on their head.

Of course. If that's what italo is asking, of course i agree with what you posted.

italo:
My allegation was that you side-stepped the question because answering it would expose the falsehood in your teaching (not your post).

I stand by it.

And, if it will help you digest your lunch....it stuck in my throat.

As for what is stuck in your throat, use some garri. It would help you, though too much can blind you ihear. What is my teaching?