₦airaland Forum

Kobojunkie:
⚈He was trying to repent, or he repented right before taking his last breath? I mean, why would a person make such a statement right before death if he did not in fact mean it?
⚈Also, does repenting just as one is about to die not qualify one to be considered a Muslim? Are deathbed confessions/decisions not considered valid in Islam?

1. Nope he wasn't repentant, he was on the verge of drowning and sought to save himself that's why he said what he said. This was after he(pharaoh) was given numerous opportunities to repent

2. Accepting Islam on one's deathbed is valid up until a certain point, that wasn't the case with pharaoh

3. Like was pointed out, the verses are self explanatory...the verse after pharaoh claims to believe, his 'profession of faith' was rejected and he was made an example for future generations. That's expressly clear

4. The Qur'an makes it abundantly clear that pharaoh stands completely condemned to God's punishment. In fact, no one is more condemned in the Qur'an than the pharaoh, so this extremely stupid attempt at misrepresenting Qur'an is idiotic

If people choose to speak the truth, how many would say good of Okupe?

I certainly don't want to be remembered like that, it's unfortunate

The Rich also cry ( had plenty of episodes on the shelf)

Mard

Maine Pyar kiya

Twins

Flashdance

Five elements ninjas

Bloodsport

Yeh Vaada Raha

Splash

Rambo

And many others

Seunmuham:
Now let's put all our argument to the test.
Can you apologize, and condemn the killing of Deborah Samuel and I swear on this day, you have won a heart to Islam. We'll look at converting to islam

I set out to prove Jews had it better under Muslims than Christians and I've done that

Whether or not you become Muslim is not my concern

Seunmuham:
Even you know that you Muslims are murderous in nature. Ask Deborah Samuel.

You lot are always pretend to be comfortable with the jews as long as they play second fiddle. Nothing, is safer with Muslims. One educated kpomo on nairaland once said," if I see my Muslims brother killing someone for blasphemy, I won't join and I won't try to stop them either" that depict the mindset of all Muslim. So stop trying to act civil here. How can you say infidels can be safe with you when your master coin a derogatory name for them with instructions on how to kill them.

Either you're plain stupid or dumb to be following a Conny man with shady life. Someone that his step contradict the other

Say what you want , but facts don't give a shit about your feelings or sentiments

Seunmuham:
Is no longer safe ,but at least safer. When you take the goal post out of the stadium do let me know

I never shifted any goalpost, you're the one confused

I said Jews were safe from the Holocaust and they were safer with Muslims

Seunmuham:
In 1354, Muslim mobs in Egypt "ran amok ... attacking Christians and Jews in the streets, and throwing them into bonfires if they refused to pronounce the shadādatayn."[25]

There was a massacre of Jews in Baghdad in 1828.[23] There was another massacre in Barfurush in 1867.[2

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In 1839, in the eastern Persian city of Meshed, a mob burst into the Jewish Quarter, burned the synagogue, and destroyed the Torah scrolls. This is known as the Allahdad incident. Between 30 and 40 people were killed, and it was only by forcible conversion that a large-scale massacre was averted.[33]




Etc.

Aren't you the idiot? isn't that opium sniffing dog called Muhammad a fool. What will you called a Nica that get high and start spitting satanic verses? A Nica that a word of truth never came from his mouth always illucinating?
A Nica that's always looking for the next high. Even after instructing fools like you not to waylaid folk during stupid month of Ramadan,but when it's time to share of loots from that stupid month, he partake in sharing the loot.

A Nica that's highly manipulative, will give excuses why he kissed a man
Excuses why he rape a child
Why he's promise virgins in shatanny
Why if he cums on Aisha's lap he gets clearer visions.

Thank God he died from a Jewish pucy

Jews were safer in the hands of Muslims than with Christians, that's a fact

There's no point to your ramblings

Seunmuham:
You are so right my cowardice reeks, but you see ehn nothing is safe in the hands of Muslims not children, not someone else wife, not your son's wife, not older women. Ask that opium sniffing reveler prophet Muhammad

Jews were safe from the Holocaust in the hands of Muslims, Muslims didn't do that... Christians did

I don't know any opium sniffing reveler prophet Muhammad, unlike you a likely junkie, I take no interest in junkies

Seunmuham:
at least I have more bravery than Muhammad who was a gigolo and died from a Jewish pussy.
For your information, nothing all of you can do to the jews

I don't know the Muhammad you're talking about, but it's clear you're a coward

History has proven that Jews are safer in the hands of Muslims than those of Christians. After all, when Jews were facing persecution and the Holocaust in Christian Europe, many of them fled to Muslim lands to seek refuge and link up with their safe Jewish relatives

Once again, the only thing of note is your cowardice

Seunmuham:
Don't worry, I send moral support to kill you wicked pests

So you're a coward?

Seunmuham:
morafucker, I'm a Christian. But I'll support anything that can kills Muslims

Why are you waiting for others, go and kill them now

Botragelad:
What are Arab leaders? 😂
I challenge any Islamist to oppose or attack Israel. You’ll be destroyed, they don’t want that.

Palestine doesn’t exist, never has, so where are you getting this nonsense? The occupiers claiming it should be sent back to where they came from, and the terrorists should be eliminated one by one.
This "Palestine" garbage will perish, and anyone pushing that ideology will go down with it.

I ask again, why did Hamas kidnap hundreds of people, even babies, and slaughter thousands of Israelis on October 7? What did they think was gonna happen? Handing these terrorists a state after what they pulled is like giving them a thumbs-up for their crap.

You aren't even talking about the black African man who was murdered on the street by Hamas. He was shot all over his body, stabbed multiple times while pleading for mercy, spat on his lifeless body. Hamas did all that while celebrating and chanting their Islamic terrorist words found in their trash books. I think he was some kind of student, not so sure. What was his offense? Why aren't you talking about it?

They’re gonna sit there and watch their terror-loving families get wiped off the map until Hamas is nothing but a bad memory. And all you can do is whine about it! 🤷‍♂️

Just make sure you'll be among the 'soldiers' that'll force them out of Gaza

Gaza awaits

Angelfrost:
Good points...!

However, I have to respectfully disagree.

People will always misbehave and even try persecuting religious people for their own pleasures.

Still, it's being able to tolerate such human flaws that makes any religion excellent... That's the very foundation of peaceful coexistence.

Except the persecutors or individuals are a threat to life, they are nothing more than daily nuisance to be ignored.

Placing fatwas on people just because they spite artefacts of your religion or for being downright irreverent borders largely on extremism and terrorism.

That totally negates the core meaning of Religion of Peace.


Speaking of Morals and Principles, what moral or Principles can be above the sacredness of human life?!!

Human life is indeed sacred and that includes all life, not just those of others as against one's own

Someone who chooses to publicly burn a scripture that he knows will provoke the ire of a people to the point of endangering his own life, doesn't hold his life as sacred

You at least have to agree it amounted to incitement and provocation, which jeopardized public order. Every group of people have members on all sides of the spectrum, ranging from mild to extreme and his action was an invitation to the extreme elements

The above isn't an indictment on the Muslim community, because there's no proof yet that Muslims were behind it

Secondly:

I don't recall a fatwa being issued on him

On the issue of tolerance, Islam from my observations is the most attacked and insulted religion in the world. If there was a lack of tolerance, there would be endless wars waging right now. Infact even the Qur'an burner only did so because he felt secure enough to do so and when you couple that with his anti-Islam public posts, the presence of tolerance was what emboldened him

TenQ:
Please respond to this Question:
In Nigeria, who killed Deborah and for what offence!



Quran 9:29
Fight (to kill) against those who do not believe in Allāh or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allāh and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth [i.e., Islām] from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Sunan Abi Dawud 3194
Nafi' AbuGhalib said:
I .....
Abu Dawud said: The saying of the Prophet (ﷺ) "I have been commanded to fight against the people until they say: There is no god but Allah" abrogated this tradition of fulfilling the vow by his remark: "I have repented".



Should Allah and his prophet be disobeyed?

Ask the police about Deborah's killers

Surah Tawbah which is Chapter 9, talks about the peace treaty which was signed between Muslims and the enemy which had been broken by them. The enemy were aided by some of the People of the Book against the Muslims in the Islamic State in Madina. The verse you quoted is about that ...I advice you to read the whole Chapter and not cherrypick verses

The Hadith you quoted has a context from the wording of it. E.G, what vow was abrogated and what led to it's abrogation?

You ignored my question, aren't you bearing false witness? Doesn't the Bible condemn that?

You and I have history and I know it's a waste of time with you

This is the only reply from me you'll get

TenQ:
He messed around with the True Islam and he was shown that Islam is a poisonous snake that pretends to be what it is not.

Does Christianity teach anything about bearing false witness?

If a Muslim had nothing to do with it, wouldn't you be guilty of that?

Angelfrost:
Sigh... The death might be unrelated to the burning of the "Holy" book. It might just be a coincidence.

However, Islam is not a religion that promotes peace!

We need to stop trying to sell that "Religion of Peace" rubbish.

Since when did peace mean to let everyone walk all over you?

Let's look at it this way, if Islam is a religion that provokes the hatred of sleaze bags and slime balls, then it must be doing something right

It's a Religion of Morals and Principles

discusant:
Sweden a peaceful country?
Who killed Olof Palm, the dove of peace, then Swedish PM? 1980s. Not Islamists anyway.

But this is not to counter your condemnation for those people who lack intelligence to defend their Allah but quickly resort to murder as defence for their Allah.

Bottomline: any African country where Muslims are in large numbers is doomed.

Yeah...countries like South Sudan, DR Congo and all the other African countries that consistently hold it down at the bottom of the global poverty index rankings

t2luv1:
Will a Muslim just explain to me why they tend to lose their goddamm mind just because someone burns a book? You can burn a bible and I can tell yaa right now I ain't gonna lose any sleep over it. Heck, my President took a picture with the bible turned upside down, and guess what the Christians crazies still voted for him. What is it about the Quran that turn a sane person into a fanatic? It is just a Freaking book.

Maybe that's the problem...to you it's just a 'book', but to them, it's sacred

Plus, where's the proof that Muslims killed him? Why are Muslims being interrogated for a crime they may be innocent of?

waternogatenemy:
IF I WANTED TO BE A FULL TIME CRIMINAL, I WILL CONVERT TO ISLAM.

EVERYTHING IS ALLOWED

Why are you running away from me now?

Sterope:
Does it mean I should kill them if they are disrespectful?

No amount of Qur'an burning will stop Quran immortalisation.

If they burned all Quran in the world, you will have a new in less than 4hrs. So why bother

If you had read the story, you would have noticed that the killer is unknown, the matter is under investigation and no link has been established between the Qur'an burning and the killing

The poster who is likely a Jewish zionist, linked his death to the Qur'an burning

waternogatenemy:
THAT IS WHAT THEY DO, WEN U CATCH THEM, THEY WIL START TO DO TAQIYA.

TAQIYA IS TO TELL LIES AS PERMITTED IN ISLAM.

I know you're not intelligent but, verse 24 is a continuation of verse 23 and both verses are about marriage

You're very very unintelligent

Botragelad:
Sure doesn't stop the IDF from wiping out the whole of Gaza.

Look at the guns the fighters are holding, they're from your dead colleagues in Gaza

Gifts the idf so graciously donated

waternogatenemy:
HOW DO U THINK BOKO HARAM CAN BE RAPING SCHOOL GIRLS THEIR RIGHT HAND POSSESS.



Quran verse Surah An-Nisa [4:24]

Stop embarrassing yourself, the verse and the one before it are talking about marriage and the women that men are allowed to marry and otherwise

It's unfortunate that oafs like you are loud with your stupidity

BoldBrainz:
Lol.

You get strength for rubbish sha.

You no lie but I'm done

Gbadebo19:
Before you fool your gullible fans with Latin expressions that are a commonality in law,and doesn't prove any brilliance or knowledge of law, let me help your miserable life.
Thought process are the mental steps involved in thinking and arriving at a conclusion. It is not about someone saying something and you saying another as exemplified by you in your talking A and responding with Z jargon.
Shalom

I'm genuinely starting to feel sorry for you

The bolded in relation to what I said means, I say A but your brain understands it as Z and arrives at a conclusion related to Z

I'm legit beginning to think you're actually not smart

Gbadebo, e don do

Goodnight

Gbadebo19:
Do you even understand what thought process means? You are at least 600 light years off the mark. Gerrrrout!!!!!

At this point it's me bullying you and I don't enjoy that

Cadit quaestio

Gbadebo19:
I once said it that you either don't have a brain or it is not functioning.
Those verses were strictly for enforcement within themselves ooo not for outsiders oo.
Since you can't understand statements in context, you really shouldn't be blamed. No wonder dimwits like IMEI are the ones that interpret legal provisions for you. Birds of a feather.

There's no one on this thread, infact even you wouldn't pick me ( if you were honest), if a dimwit between us was to be selected by all here

Secondly, what context are you trying to hide behind? One thing I love about this thread is the high intellect of majority of posters, they certainly won't be fooled by some nonsense irrelevant context

You took an L you bought for yourself, Ls are a part of life, take it and move on

Maybe it's because your identity is known here and you take it more personally

I remember I once told you "it's not that deep", it'll do you a lot of good to chew on that this time

✌️

Gbadebo19:
For non living things like this one who don't have a thought process, philosophy is all about arguing about the existence of God. He doesn't even know that the cognitive dissonance he mentioned has its roots in philosophy. Your very existence is based on philosophy. From technology to arts to everything that exists, it is all about a thought process called philosophy.
Just come and blow grammar when you don't even know the basis of your own existence. What a worthless life!!!

I'm glad you mentioned thought process, it has helped me diagnose your most definitive problem

Your thought process is stunted, it stopped developing a long while ago

That's why when A is mentioned, you reply with Z and then go ahead to elaborate on Z

Bigsam99:
That guy is a slowpoke. I wish i can have a debate with him one on one.

Debate abi beating

Gbadebo19:
Vic2023, IMEI, and shoodboi2
When on nairaland, you would think you are addressing people with a functioning brain. The above named people are nothing but secondary school dropouts who just rely on Google.
I am sorry, I should have come down to your level, I didn't really know I was way way above the level your brains can comprehend.
I studied philosophy before studying law and I am not surprised your brain can't comprehend it when I said I don't believe in God and later said I am a Muslim. For the sake of your unborn children that you will lead astray, please read, read and read. Go and study concepts like Epistemology, Evidentialism, Ontology, Cosmology, Divine Command Theory, First Cause Argument, and Secular Ethics.
Only then will you be able to engage in any meaningful discussion with a person like me.
Shalom.

There's nothing philosophical about it

It's either a clear case of cognitive dissonance, or you're just a worthless being...at least on this thread you are

sainttwist1:
another emotional statement........the christians are sorry, brother


Looool

I think you're the one I once counseled that it's not by force to post

If it wasn't you, then I offer the same advice: it's not by force to post or reply a post. You can skip if you have nothing sensible to say

FoolishBoy419:
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂


Lawag and Gbadebo's madness are on another level. They are addicted to lying and posting rubbish.

It's the sheer confidence for me