₦airaland Forum

Kobojunkie:
How can I make up my mind when you have, from your responses, not made up yours on exactly what is deployed in the book?

Kobojunkie:
Resolve a possible contradiction by picking any one of the possible false ideas?

RealAbba:
Please stop responding to him. He just wants to argue. If anyone wants to clarify about pharaoh's position in the Qur'an, let him/her go and read the whole Qur'an by themselves.

Kobojunkie:
He is Allah of the Muslims, is he not? He is not Zeus of the Greeks, Ogun of the Yorubas, or God of Israe aka YHWH l, so?

Kobojunkie:
Juxtapose two statements that seem to conflict each other to what end?

Kobojunkie:
Oh wow...gender matters as far as what here? your response or what?

Kobojunkie:
This confusion stems from your earlier response insisting that the punishment of this life as instituted --the torment of pharaoh-- by the Allah of Muslims on Pharaoh began at the point that the plagues were initialized.

RealAbba:
The way he even writes "Allah of the Muslims" tells you that he just wants mock you. Allah guides whom he wishes.

Kobojunkie:
Really? So, Allah of the Muslims responded just before death to all the non-muslims among the Pharoah's people who died during the whole ordeal?

Kobojunkie:
Again, you saying that Pharoah was a condemned man, no longer able to become a muslim, after the plagues instituted by Allah of the Muslims began?

2. The plague in Pharoah's case started before the death rattle — his actual drowing incident. Or are we talking of a different death rattle here?

3. You said ealier that it was closed off when the plagues began. Now you are saying it was when he was about to die — drown. Can you pick one please?

Kobojunkie:
. Humble in this case meaning? The last I checked, humble has nothing to do with reading and understanding the content of a book, but you seem to think differently.

Anyways, according to you, once Allah of the Muslim's torment begins — in this case, Pharoah's torment began when the plagues started— all doors to becoming a Muslim are closed. Is this the case?

Kobojunkie:
Pharoah was a god over his people, right? And the plagues that you mentioned impacted him and his people, right? Where they all local to the Pharoah?

Kobojunkie:
I have actually read the quran before now. I did not memorize any of the tales contained at the time.

I just do not understand why religious folks feel the need to add their own interpretation to what is written in the many books and then insist their ideas are better than what is stated in the book, all while insisting, against facts, that it is in fact what is written in the book.

Kobojunkie:
Huh? So, all the other Egyptians who were caused to die by way of the plagues were all as part of the Pharaoh's torment? And this is how the Allah of the Muslims deals with everyone who is not a Muslim or was this torment particular to the Pharoah?

Kobojunkie:


2. Interesting! So what you are insinuating is that even before he drew his last breath, Pharoah had already been condemned to torment by the Allah of the Muslims? Meaning that it did not matter at all that Allah of the Muslims responded(answered) to Pharaoh; even as he died, he remained a non-muslim. Right?

3. Based on this, wouldn't it then mean that Allah of the Muslims responds to the cries of non-Muslims at the point of death even though literally all death-bed confessions— since they are mostly made out of regret—are rejected by Allah of the Muslims?

Kobojunkie:
So, which of the above fits the case with Pharoah, and how?

Is the painful punishment death, in this case, drowning? Is the torment death(in this case, the drowning)?

MightySparrow:
From where did you pick your analysis in the Quran?

Kobojunkie:
Why do I get the feeling that you don't even have a clear understanding of the topic itself? Either that or you have no answers, but in a desperate attempt to pretend you know, you feel posting irrelevant links would somehow make the questions go away? How else does one go about explaining the various attempts to derail, abeg?

Pharoah was at the door of death, then he cried out that he now believed and was a Muslim. Then Allah of the Muslims answered pharoah, insisting that Pharoah's corpse would be preserved as an example to others to come after him. Where is it stated that Allah of Muslims rejected Pharoah's last-minute repentance since we are,in fact, being made to believe here that Allah of Muslims responded to Pharoah at the point of his death? If Pharoah was a non-Muslim even up until his last breath, why did the Allah of the Muslims take time out to answer him?

Kobojunkie:
Did you read through the content of the link yourself? If yes, why aren't you able to point me directly to the lines that answer my particular questions to you?

Skimming through the content of the link, I have not been able to find any mentions of the events that took place right as the Pharaoh was dying, so what is it you are afraid of?

2. There is a lack of evidence for the additional claims you have made thus far regarding the information presented in verses 90-93 from Surah Yunus. If you insist that it is a poor grasp of English translation, then you should probably help me by providing me with the source for the additional details you introduced via your interpretation.

3. I see you are quickly turning this into an ego trip instead of responding appropriately to the questions asked.

Kobojunkie:
Did you read through the content of the link yourself? If yes, why aren't you able to point me directly to the lines that answer my particular questions to you?

Skimming through the content of the link, I have not been able to find any mentions of the events that took place right as the Pharaoh was dying, so what is it you are afraid of?

2. There is a lack of evidence for the additional claims you have made thus far regarding the information presented in verses 90-93 from Surah Yunus. If you insist that it is a poor grasp of English translation, then you should probably help me by providing me with the source for the additional details you introduced via your interpretation.

3. I see you are quickly turning this into an ego trip instead of responding appropriately to the questions asked.

Kobojunkie:
Is this some sort of attempt to deviate from the main topic or what? 😏

My questions were specific in this case. Where does your Quran make this statement that the Allah of the Muslims rejected Pharoah's request for repentance even though the Allah of the Muslims answered Pharoah during his last hours? Or where is it stated that last-minute requests of the kind offered by the Pharoah are rejected by the Allah of the Muslims? Where?

Qasim6:
people that deliberately choose to be ignorant.

Kobojunkie:
You are allowed to believe what you wish of the book; that is not the concern here at all.

2. The fact that the verses quoted suggest that the Allah of the Muslims answered directly to the Pharaoh character implies that the Pharaoh's last-minute prayer was answered by the Allah of the Muslims. So, your insistence that the Pharoah's claim of believing was rejected by the Allah of the Muslims would require some additional support, should it not?

3. The Allah of the Muslims knew this, yet he chose to directly answer the Pharoah still. Come on now!

Kobojunkie:
1. He sought to save himself, but how? The verse does not imply or say any of that, though. So why conclude this to have been the case?

2. Up until what point? Please, be exact. Can you include a reference to other statements that could support this claim that it was not the case with this Pharaoh dude that was mentioned?

3. My problem so far is not with what is stated in the verse but the assertions that have been made so far regarding what is presented in those verse. Almost seems you two are reading from other sources at this point. So, where is this other source?

4. Where does your Quran make this statement that you claim? Where?

Kobojunkie:
So what you are saying is that deathbed confessions/attempts at repentance are invalid in Islam?

Curiously, last-minute regrets and attempts at repentance are very commonplace. There were probably many before Pharoah who also attempted to repent before their death. If Islam rejected all of their attempts as you claim, why the mention of this supposed attempt at repentance by Pharoah, then? I mean, this particular claim made in Islam comes well over 2000 years after the actual death of Pharoah. To what end?

Kobojunkie:
⚈He was trying to repent, or he repented right before taking his last breath? I mean, why would a person make such a statement right before death if he did not in fact mean it?
⚈Also, does repenting just as one is about to die not qualify one to be considered a Muslim? Are deathbed confessions/decisions not considered valid in Islam?

Seunmuham:
Now let's put all our argument to the test.
Can you apologize, and condemn the killing of Deborah Samuel and I swear on this day, you have won a heart to Islam. We'll look at converting to islam

Seunmuham:
Even you know that you Muslims are murderous in nature. Ask Deborah Samuel.

You lot are always pretend to be comfortable with the jews as long as they play second fiddle. Nothing, is safer with Muslims. One educated kpomo on nairaland once said," if I see my Muslims brother killing someone for blasphemy, I won't join and I won't try to stop them either" that depict the mindset of all Muslim. So stop trying to act civil here. How can you say infidels can be safe with you when your master coin a derogatory name for them with instructions on how to kill them.

Either you're plain stupid or dumb to be following a Conny man with shady life. Someone that his step contradict the other

Seunmuham:
Is no longer safe ,but at least safer. When you take the goal post out of the stadium do let me know