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Gbadebo19:
Sorry to say. I swear, you are mad. You don't understand human beings at all. Am done with you.

Anonymity is good...you have no idea who you're talking to

Gbadebo19:
Let me respond to your number 4. Whether you like it or not, as long as there is no verifiable history to support your position, you can never win. Your populatuon doesn't matter. Take for instance, Ilorin Nigeria has an 80% population of Yorubas. Now the question is:
If Nigeria were to break up today, Who owns Ilorin? Yoruba or Fulani? Let me see your view

More like so long as you're unwilling to concede

Either way, these are factual events and it's not about winning or losing, but facts and fiction

Gbadebo19:
Let me respond to your number 4. Whether you like it or not, as long as there is no verifiable history to support your position, you can never win. Your populatuon doesn't matter. Take for instance, Ilorin Nigeria has an 80% population of Yorubas. Now the question is:
If Nigeria were to break up today, Who owns Ilorin? Yoruba or Fulani? Let me see your view

Why should this be an issue? Ilorin people will decide for themselves

Gbadebo19:
Can you please avail me with the Internationally recognised borders of 1967

The green on the right is the West Bank, which 80% of is covered in scattered Israeli settlements

Gbadebo19:
Don't let's argue further. Can we just agree that Israelites had a longer history on the land more than the Palestinians? 1000 years BC to the 7th century is quite long. Do you agree?

DNA evidence says otherwise, so no, we can't agree

But if you want to stop it here, no problem

Gbadebo19:
I am getting tired of you now.
You know something? Let's start from 1948 or if you have any historical fact or documented evidence that we can use to render the UN creation of Israel as illegal. Cest finis

You're seemingly confused

As far as I know, no challenge to the bolded has been put up, so what's the point of mentioning it?

Gbadebo19:
My friend, as an objective learned colleague. If a thief lives next door to you and continually burgles your home, as a reasonable human being, what would you do even after several communal intervention, the thief never stops.

Is this even an answer?

How does the above you posted justify settlement building?

This isn't something hypothetical, these are real life happenings, parables don't apply here

Gbadebo19:
Let us give you the benefit of the doubt.
1. Palestine had no history
2. Israel had no claim
3. In 1948, justice was done by demarcating the land between two opposing elements. Rather than abide, Palestine claims they own the land (without proof) and keeps attacking Israel. Israel responds and Palestine is crying. Where does that leaves us?

Or don't tell me your view is that Israel shouldn't exist. If so, can you provide any historical fact or documented evidence that can be used to render the 1948 demarcation as illegal? If you can do this, I swear, I will respect you forever.

You're going to give who the benefit of doubt? Lol

1. I never said Palestine had no history
2. Israel had a claim, but was it credible? That's the issue in question
3. When the British occupied Palestine, Palestinians were present on the land, how you claimed there's no proof of that is bewildering to say the least
4. How do you define as justice giving 55% of land to 30% of the population at the time? Palestinians made up 70% of the population and were given 45% of a land they were living on for centuries, while the majority was given to foreign immigrants who were 30% of the population
5. Whether israel should exist or not isn't my concern. What's my concern is, is that a Palestinian State should exist based on the Internationally recognized borders of 1967

Gbadebo19:
Guy, it seems that you think the reason why Israel is fighting Palestinians today is because of biblical history of Gaza and the likes belonging to them. Don't get confused, we all know this is not true. By the partition of 1948, the borders of Israel was demarcated and the only reason why there is no peace in that region is because of the relentless attacks from Arab nations and Palestinians which forces Israel to push them backwards. Israel occupying those Gaza and Golan heights etc is a result of them loosing the war they started and that is nobody's fault.
Even till today, everyone knows that loosing war comes with loosing land especially if you share borders. If I am wrong, why is Egypt not claiming Gaza, what about Lebanon, Jordan, Syria and the likes. Why is it some random people (Palestinians) claiming lands that belongs to other sovereign nations.

Why does Israel continuously seize Palestinian land and build settlements? Why does Israel continue to annex Palestinian territory? Are those the result of wars?

Gbadebo19:
You are very funny!!!
By the way, I never said you did.
It is actually absurd for you to state that the reason why Italians never lay claim was because it is not legitimate in the 21st century. How can you use a conquest of over a thousand years ago and use a 21st century legality to justify reasons.

Hasn't that been what you've been arguing all this while?

Lawag3:
You debunk it if it's false.

Debunk what has no sound basis?

Gbadebo19:
It is absolutely useless and no one is using it. You are the ones going back and forth on the legality of Israel to exist as a nation.
United Nations already partitioned the land, recognising the right of both Israel and Palestine to exist. (Two state solution)
It is you people who believe Israel doesn't have a right to exist that bring up stories which necessitate the need to tell you that what you are even claiming never belonged to you. Okay, no biblical stories, can you cough up anything document or history that established that Palestinians were the original owners of ancient Judea?

You're literally the one who denied Palestinians the land because according to you they had no king and no history on the land. But now you're flipping it on me, claiming I'm denying israel's right to exist

You used israel's purported ancient history to attribute ownership to them, while denying same for Palestinians on account of a purported lack of history

As for me, my arguments have always been grounded in legal facts. You trying to spin things again is just plain old tomfoolery from you

The fact remains, take away the biblical and religious elements, most of you can't properly make a case for israel and even the religiously driven arguments require shutting off objective reasoning and self-reflection

Gbadebo19:
Italians have a stronger claim due to the Roman conquest of biblical Israel. Definitely!!
This is the only sensible thing you have said in the last 17 years but you failed to realize that the Italians never lay claim to the land, they only established their government there and allowed the Jews to continue calling it theirs. In those times, you live according to the will of your captors.

I never claimed they did, I only deduced using your logic or illogic

Do you know why the Italians didn't lay claim based on historical conquests? Because it's not a legitimate or legal basis under any existing laws in the 21st Century. That absurdity lies with israel and it's supporters

Absurd elements/supporters like you

Gbadebo19:
Hope you know histories have a timeline and things occur one after the other.
We are talking about how the state of Israel initially existed to how Judea came to be known as Palestine. I just wonder how people like you just happen to believe that a group of people who never had a king, never had a capital, never had a currency can legitimately own a land.
Even Africans that were termed uncivilised by the colonial masters had cowry shells as money, we had a seat for the king. Come on, don't be dumb.

What's the relevance of biblical historical stories to issues of territorial dispute under International Law? Palestine and Israel conflict in focus

Gbadebo19:
Are you blind? Did you not see conquest?
The conquest is a biblical story, I agree. But you forget that it is the same biblical stories that ever established the first existence of the fundamental human right to religion in the code of Hammurabi.
Isn't it hypocritical to use biblical stories to establish the first ever documented human right and then turn against it when it talks about Jewish conquest?

From stating:

"Who's giving you biblical stories?" to admitting that the whole basis of the claim of ownership, the conquest you mentioned, is a biblical story

You see why I don't take most of you seriously

If you believe biblical Jews conquering the land eons ago entitles them to claims of ownership today, then I guess Italians have a stronger claim due to the Roman conquest of biblical israel

Gbadebo19:
Who is giving you biblical stories? I am telling you of historical facts and the actions of Emperor Hadrian who renamed ancient Judea to Palestine simply because he wanted to wipe out every trace of Jewish history because they seriously opposed his government (Do you see that in any Bible?)
The biggest mistake you make is to think the ancient Philistines are the current day Palestinians.
That place came to belong to biblical Jews through conquest which was a valid means as at that time. Are you now satisfied? Or you want me to school you like a kindergarten pupil?

Please school me but provide sound references as well

Still my question is valid. If there were people on the land before Jews ever set foot on it, what makes them the owner?

Empiree:
My guy, you are full of hypocrisy or you are ignorant. Cuba, Mexico etc are close to US. If they decide to develop nuclear weapons or to join military alliance with enemies of US, US would bomb them. It is that simple. Russia is the region power in Eastern Europe. So Eastern European countries can not join NATO which is American and Western military wing. That was the agreement signed btw Russia and NATO countries decades ago that no countries near Russia would join NATO. If they do they would be crushed.



I always love it whenever people bring this up. I knew you would say this. First all, what right UN had to partition a country already occupied by Arabs and created another country inside Palestine for Europeans?. This first step alone was illegal. Second, let's agree UN is the authority to do that, why would they partition Arab land and give over 50% to foreigners and the rest to indigenous people?. Does this make sense?. And you expect Arabs to fold their arms?. What if UN do the same to your hometown in Nigeria?.

Secondly, for the fact that you admitted UN created this illegal Geno-State, this means Bible has no say here. The nonesense that God gave them the land according to your Bible is fraudulent. The British created Israel via United Nations not the Bible. So you people need to stop bringing Bible into this.


sorry I don't need story. Isræl didn't flight the 6 day war by itself and won against 6 Arab countries. Just like what is happening today. If you think Israel is fighting alone in Gaza and Lebanon, think again.

their problem, not mine. I don't support illegal annexation like Israel is doing in Palestine.


You say?



you are a confused human being. How does this relate to the current Europeans who called themselves Jews in Israel?. They are Europeans. They have no bloodline to the region. Shekel currency officially started in 1980 as a legal tender. David and Solomon that you mentioned were prophets of Islam. European Jews in Israel have nothing to do with them.

Palestinians are the indigenous Israelites not these European occupiers.. Everybody knows this except religious evangelical Christians with dirty mission.

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Gbadebo19:
Rubbish and nonsense. Do you even know the meaning of anything being said as an injurious remark?
You can as well say Israel wants the entire middle East and China, as well as Pakistan all the way to Afghanistan. Only a buffoon like you will take serious meaning to that kind of statement.
When it comes to Palestine, don't talk. Palestine was never a country that once existed, never had a capital, never had a king and never had a currency. Just because a piece of land, originally known as Judea was renamed Palestine and some imported races copulated with the remaining Jews that were a victim of Islamization doesn't necessarily make the land belong to their offsprings. I can't be reiterating matters that have been dissected over and over again.

Even according to your Bible history, weren't there people on the land before them?

If so, what makes biblical Jews the owners?

Empiree:
I suggest you read first Israeli PM Ben-Gurion before you say anything. He said the whole of Palestine is what they wanted all along but we should agree to partition for now but when time comes we will take the whole of Palestine (paraphrase). At no point in time Israel respects borders. Israel believes its borders extend to Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, turkey, Iran, Syria. Do what I ask you to do before you post again. Thank you

Save yourself the trouble and ask him what settlement building is all about

WrriterNg:
⚡Palestinian sniper eliminates Idan Kenan, IDF sniper from Kfir Brigade, as he positioned himself atop a house near Netzarim, north of Gaza.

Kenan, known for killing many Palestinians in Gaza, was fatally shot in the head, ending his life instantly.

I saw the video perfect headshot

Cancri:
what about the Quran?

What about it?

Lawag3:
I'm not trying to convince anyone that the Bible is an objective book of history. Any piece of history I get from the bible has reliable backing from reliable sources.


Jewish history is more documented than Arab history with or without religious texts

Any history you post here, include links to the source material

That shouldn't be hard

Watcharena:
remind them that they can't present bible or any holly book as evidence in court

I did that already, even went several pages, but we're dealing with literal nutcases

In the Court of their minds, they'll serve as the greatest evidence of historical facts i.e. holy books

How some people want to objectively convince others that the Bible, a religious book, is an undisputed book of history is mind-boggling

Going back and forth with some people on this thread is guaranteed to make you lose brain cells

obedience4:
Suicide bombings against who? COMBATANTS OR CIVILIANS??

Shey you won't answer directly?

obedience4:
Bring your evidence.

Suicide bombings against who? COMBATANTS OR CIVILIANS??

THE JAPANESE USED SUICIDE BOMBINGS (kamikaze) AGAINST THE ALLIES

Brings your evidence that YPG are attacking civilians and killing civilians like your beloved hamas and hazebolla

P.s no Turkish propaganda please.

Answer my questions, you'll get your evidence

It's not hard

Do you deny they carryout suicide bombings? Are suicide bombings now acceptable?

obedience4:
The YPG do not attack civilians.

Bring your evidence

Why are you sidestepping my questions?

They're not hard to answer

Do you deny they use suicide bombings? Are suicide bombings now acceptable?

obedience4:
Prove to me the YPG using suicide bombings against civilians

I don't want to see PKk, just YPG conducting suicide bombings. And no Turkish propaganda please

Do you deny they use suicide bombings? And are suicide bombings now acceptable?

Answer those first

obedience4:
This is why I never wanted to get attached to the conversation, it clearly obvious am making a conversation with someone who does not even know what he is deliberating about.

You have been running in circles man!!
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There is simply no evidence or information of the YPG attacking civilians.

Going by your logic, why are you now lamenting about the YPG and the US military aid, when your darling Russia was also in bed with them.


Brighest bulbs indeed

Do you deny they carryout suicide bombings?

Who's lamenting about US aid to the YPG? I rebutted your claim of them not being terrorists because "they don't attack civilians like Hamas or Hezbollah", your words exactly

The fact that you're questioning why I'd criticize US' relationship with them because of Russia's stance on them, makes me question why you'd use the same Russia you so castigate as a standard and benchmark for US' actions

Moreover, look at my username well, I'm not a USA vs Russia guy, I'm a stand on facts guy

obedience4:
Oga shift abeg, stop running In circles, during the hay days of the Syria civil war, Russia was in bed with the YPG you can verify that.

Why has Russia not designated YPG a terrorist group??

The YPG and the PKk like i said are both kurdish in origin The PKk on the Turkish side why the YPG on the Syrian side. Both groups share similar goals. And that is the independence of kurdish people In both Syria and turkey. They are not the same group. And both have distinct ideologies and operates mostly in different theaters. The YPG in Syria and The PKk in Turkey.

The YPG has never carried attacks against civilians, something your beloved hamas and hazebolla can't deny.

ANTI WEST COUNTRIES, like Iran, China, etc have not designated the YPG a terrorist group.


This is my last take on the issue.

Why would Russia designate them a terror group when YPG has a history of collaborating with Assad's army?

You apparently don't know the meaning of them being inspired by the ideas of PKK's founder

For your information, YPG like PKK uses suicide bombings in civilian areas, how you want to pass lies that they don't kill civilians is nonsense

It's best you not only not respond, but avoid discussions on YPG on this thread henceforth, because your knowledge is bullshit

obedience4:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Defense_Units

That the Wikipedia of the origin of the YPG and it's structure and combat history.


The YPG is not designated a terrorist group ooooo

The YPG is a different group from the PKK

Who's running from you, I ain't have the time for unprofitable nonsense with you or any other clown.

If the YPG is not a different oraginszation entirely, why does Turkey and Qatar the only nations to desginate it a terror group, why not lumped it together as the PKK

I don't understand this English, paraphrase

The West's support for YPG has been a source of tension with Turkiye for years...the West not designating it a terrorist group, goes to show the innate hypocrisy they're known for

Collaborating with the YPG(PKK) in Syria will serve their interest, so they're 'good guys'. It's the same way Taliban were good against the Soviets, but evil against US and NATO

A group inspired by the ideas of the founder of a terrorist group (PKK), itself isn't a terror group...spot the irony

It's like saying Al-qaeda is a terror group but ISIS isn't, yet they're both inspired by Al-qaeda's founders

The pretense of them being 'democratic' was the US' idea to pass them off as sharing the same 'values' with the West. Just a smokescreen

obedience4:
How is YPG now PKK??
This are two distinct organisations.

Nato and the US and the European Union designated PKk a terrorist group. The YPG is not designated as terrorist group.

And the YPG is a different oraginszation from the PKK, although they share a common enemy in Turkey, and they both have kurdish origins. Both are two very different and distinct groups.

Only turkey view the YPG as a terrorist organisation due to its struggle for independence in the kurdish autonomous region.

Dude I don't have time to agure with you,
Don't quote me with your ludicrous nonsense.

Abeg shift

The PYD/YPG is a wholly integrated component of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), an insurgent organisation originating in Turkey that many Western states, including Britain, recognise as a terrorist organisation, as does the European Union and NATO

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/83715/html/

The YPG is heavily influenced by the ideas of PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan, who has been in jail in Turkey since 1999, convicted of treason.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/what-is-syrian-kurdish-ypg-2023-10-05/

You're the same guy who claims Mandela was a peaceful activist like Gandhi

Why is there a trend of people running away from me on this thread...first Gbadebo, now you

There's no hiding place from the truth