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BluIvy:
After reading and reserving my comments on a couple of issues between South Africa and Nigeria, I have come to the conclussion that Nigeria is hell bent to disgrace its country, citizens and Africa as whole in dealing with both internal (Chibock Girls) & international /political issues.

It is a disappointment to read how some Nigerians are falling for and supporting disgraceful ways of doing things by their current government on a international stage in the name of being patriots.

In the last two years a number of issues which have threatened the bilateral relations between South Africa Nigeria one can clearly see that SA has been the one to show maturity and compromise not to destroy these relations. I will tackle each issue on point bases to show why I think so.

1. The fake Yellow Card Saga:
Its well known that the yellow card requirement for visa to SA are often faked in Nigeria, when SA decided to enforce this issue Nigeria blindly cried foul and retaliated knowing fully well that this could be the case instead of proving to SA through diplomatic negotiations that yellow fever was not a threat to their country so they could remove it from their visa requirements for Nigeria. Instead SA decided to quench the fire to allow peace to reign between Africa's 2 big economic hubs.

2. The SCOAN disaster:
It is a well known fact that SA suffered most casualties in that church disaster but when they sent their people to help with the rescue mission they were prevented, the Nigeria government has up to now yet to give a report on what exactly happened and hold someone responsible for the disaster but instead they have shielded the reason for the disaster.When a reporter spilled the beans about TBJ bribing reporters to not report badly about him he is attacked by Nigerians for doing what is right. Let alone a so called mog not taking responsibility but start cursing and threatening people.

Not only are the casualties of that disaster left without justice but are yet to be released to their country for burial with the Nigerian government refusing help for DNA testing from SA knowing fully well they do not the capabilities while SA have the expertise.

Reports from the South African government to the victims families are that their family members bodies are rotting in motuaries which are ill equipped (no ice but usage of fans to keep the bodies in a good state) and that they should expect to hold closed casket burials as a result of Nigerian government stubborness. Imagine these families who have not seen their members for months are denied the last opportunity to see their bodies in good state and say their goodbye in decent manner.The SA again has heed to their Nigerian counter parts tantrums and are patiently waiting not even knowing when this whole process would be done as the DNA testing is outsourced.


3. The $9.3 million dollar seized by SA:
A Nigerian private jet with private citizens on board lands in a sovereign country with millions of dollars in plastic suitcases, they do not declare their luggage and when caught say they are there to buy arms for their government. The government collaborated their story refuses to put a clear signature of whom is responsible for it. When the money is seized some Nigerians spit fire and insults to SA, instead of asking questions and demanding answers from a government which was reported earlier by a sitting Reserve bank governor of missing billions of dollars. The Nigerian government plays this down and weeks later another cash transfer is seized

4. $5.7 million dollars seized few weeks after the $9.3
The same government of Nigeria decides to do another transaction without the knowledge of the SA government with a company whose licence has expired to deal in arms. One can also assume that there is a reason why this company's licence has not been renewed after 6months down the line.

South African government has a reputable arms manufacturing company which is also one of the best in the world called DENEL Rheinmetal & Ammunition that manufactures and sells arms to the whole world. But once again the Nigerian government decides to buy their arms from a broker whose license has expired instead of dealing directly with DENEL as there are no arms embargo between SA and Nigeria, so why would they avoid such an above the board deal except they were looking to buy these arms from an illegal market, if they really were going to buy arms?

And how would one know if this was actually a laundered money exchange that has been disguised as a refund? The report also does not clearly state when this transaction was done as the company's licence expired 6months ago.

South African banks are governed by the SA Financial Services Board and SARS which have strict guidelines on foreign money transfers and standard of operations. These had saved the SA from the world financial crises and were left untouched because of these strict guidelines. If the bank saw something suspicious it means there is, as regards to SA banking laws so the bank is obliged to report it, in turn NPA is obliged to sieze it thought the order of the high court.

[b]My confussion here is,

1. who is really hating whom? Is Nigeria hell bent at undermining a country, its people, its legal framework to achieve their own agenda?

2. If Boko Haram had been caught the same way and not allowed to own the weapons they had right now would the insurgency haunting Nigeria not have been long over?

3.If SA had not seized these monies and the weapons turned up to be in preparation for 2015 show down and war broke out in Nigeria, when war crimes are investigated and the illegal arms are traced back to SA would Nigerians not blame SA? would SA not have broken the international laws on arms dealing?

4. Why are Nigerians intentionally willing to neglect the good that SA saga is allowing them on two fronts;
1. Finding money that could have been stolen from the people of Nigeria and tracing the perpetrators and bring them to book.
2.SA might had just saved Africa another unnecessary war, saving lives ( who knows?)

5. South Africa is currently investigating its own arms deal, not because there were illegalities on the deal itself but the process of tendering and bribes that might have been paid in order to pick the company to supply the arms. This was prompted by the French government after suspecting foul play in the process.So this is standard procedure in the international community to ensure zero tolerance in arms deals.[/b]

The question here is:
1. Why are Nigerians not concerned on how this Cape Town based company was chosen to procure the arms?
2. Was a fare &legal process followed?
3. From which budget did the money come from?
4. Can your government account and show records of transaction? Etc
5. Why would SA not investigating such gross illegality and complete disregard of their laws when they persecuted and busy investigating minor process issues in theire own back yard?

I really tire for you people. Truly Nigeria is light years behind SA in everything, including brains!

When are you all Going to stop trying to be politically correct and straight up accuse the section of Nigeria where it seems criminality is embedded in their genes? That Plus the practice of a fake brand of Christianity by this group which they have succeeded in polluting the Southwest with...


Even in South Africa, when a crime is committed by a Nigerian it's always usually by this same group. Then they start screaming "marginalization" at their hosts. It's about time the North, West and other parts of the South South call their bluff in its entirety if they really want change in their country.

PhockPhockMan:
Op you mumu o o. How did that guy resemble Mohammed Yusuf.

Looks like him to me!

Let's even assume that's not him, tell me:

What in the Devil's name is a supposed man of God doing in the company of a confirmed killer and self acclaimed terrorist like Dokubo ?!?!?!

Idumose:
Then wait until Jonathan steps down in 2019 and try him for corruption charges if there is any.

It is an indictment on Buhari if he accepts that Abacha stole money because he served under him.

Why wait till 2019 when he can be impeached yesterday? Nothing in the Constitution says a President "must" complete his term, that's why there's a clause in your constitution.

Pheewww....Nigerians are just cowards. Call the bluff of the Ibos and kick that corrupt gorilla out of power and I promise you nothing will happen.

iamrealdeji:
,Imagine Obama throwing stacks of dollars at his youths

He'd be committed to an asylum that night, then thrown in jail the next day.

Rexxie:
accursed cow. If you aint a parasite,why dahell would u be scared of da emergence of da niger delta republic?

Scared?! Look here animal, I honestly don't give two sh'its about your jungle, whether Nigeria or Niger Delta.

omenka:
This looks more like a Rolls Royce than a Bentley. Isn't that the Spirit of Ecstacy on the grille??

The front part is definitely that of a Bentley.

Side note: Aren't Africans ashamed? Notice that all those countries' leaders drive indigenously made cars...

Acidosis:
Thieves also create employment. Robbers buy gun and bullets, they buy cars, fuel, thereby creating more cash inflow for the gun manufacturing companies and seller.


Should we celebrate Boko Haram because they employed over 5000 northern youths?

Why don't you carry your complaints to those that ferry your money to foreign shores on Private Jets?

olajide8:
Nope - you didn't, you just encouraged him and his cronies- by hiding the stolen wealth on their behalf- and encouraging them wrongly-

Well, we do seize illegal funds whenever we're opportune to nab them, in hopes that the Nigerian people will see what their leaders are doing to them and rise up, but guess what? You dummy cowards instead support them. So what do we do?

Keep the funds since yall obviously don't need it because each time we return it it gets restolen and they attempt to smuggle it back into our country.

olajide8:
Nope - you didn't, you just encouraged him and his cronies- by hiding the stolen wealth on their behalf- and encouraging them wrongly- dentist are all over nigeria - and a dentist services are not as important as basic health care facilities required-
That's why most dentists have turned entrepreneurs and entertainers.

Oh my God! You are crazy!!!! See why underdevelopment and corruption ensures that most of you don't live past your 52nd birthday and why many women die at childbirth?! Dental care is probably the single most important thing you have to do to your body from birth. It's actually the only check up proscribed twice a year from childhood because lack of care for your teeth can actually lead to other complications that can kill you.

Jesus, no wonder you support corruption because you don't even know you right from your left.

olajide8:
Are you in nigeria? Isn't it your deluded world bank policies aimed at improvishing africa that you people have been selling around the world, imagine the economics of privatising a monopolistic product (your puppets are behind it all) power, and do you know why they may succeed because the incompetent leaders who hijacked power with an aim of enriching themselves, being inferior in their manner of thought allowed people with no pigment in the body push them to sell power with an intent of supposedly adding to the income of the state* -to your second question, I bet you would beg to have a mouth as fresh as mine*, coming to think of it how does that, put food on your table- for your information - only we nigerians have the right to insult our incompetent government, because we know they are incompetent, and we know how they got their stealing other peoples mandate, we know those we voted for and those that can put nigeria on the path to greatness, and how their mandates are stolen through election rigging- come to think of it- what has the issue of dentist got to do with laundering money out of nigeria* - this dude is HIGH**

And we also insisted your President and his cronies steal every penny meant for the Nigerian people, right?

P.S: The dentist reference was to let you know that you're not getting what you deserve from your govt if you can't get something as simple as dental care. So, I was right Mr.Stinky Breath, you've never been to the dentist since you were born? What a shame, your supposed to go at least twice a year. Do you floss at least?

Eldavido1:
The only surprise I can deduce from the poll is the north east rating. 79% wow! That's almost incredible!! But then when you factor in the fact that north east comprise of states like Taraba, Adamawa, Gombe and Bauchi all strong pdp states it gives you an idea of what's going on here. NOI poll has been the most consistent and most reliable polling organisation in the country. They have accurately predicted the 2011 general election, the Anambra, Ondo, Ekiti and Osun elections.

Believe it or not: YOUR COUNTRY HAS NEVER HAD AN ELECTION SINCE THIS LATEST ATTEMPT AT DEMOCRACY STARTED IN 1999!!!


All you've had are poor. innocent citizens standing in the sun, then the best rigger winning at the end of the day.

sCun:
Stop deceiving yourself Yoruba man.
Who is the we your are talking about?
Trying to feel important eh?

When was the last time you had 24/hr electricity for 3 months straight without diesel powered generators blowing out your ear drums?

Nobleval:
He is worth much more than that.

Way, Way more.

I'd put his net worth at a conservative $2.5billion.

tbaba1234:
The EID weekend is over without any incident. In the recent past, we have come to expect a tragedy at every festivity. Last Sallah, a ramadan lecture was attacked and there was an attempt on the life of General Buhari.

The security agencies were able to neutralize all threats and keep Nigerians safe.

In addition, Michika and Madagali have been recaptured in the last 48 hours. The army is finally retaking the lands captured by Boko Haram. This is just the beginning of what Nigerians expect will be a massive assault on the criminals.

#victoryforNigeria

Actually its because the sponsors like Oritsejafor, Ihejrika etc have been exposed and we're constantly working with other countries to make sure arms for the terrorists are not allowed to be purchased i.e the two recent busts in South Africa.

Don't forget GEJ also came in with the intention of staying as life President. Remember his very first bill to the National Assembly just 3 weeks as President (after returning from State visits to Paul Biya and Musevini--- two of the most brutal dictators Africa has ever witnessed)?

7 YR SINGLE TERM AGENDA!!!

Same exact tactic all the African dictators used to sit tight in power. If you think GEJ will leave in 2019 you're all dreaming. Mark my words. GEJ has no plans to leave Aso Rock except in a body bag or casket; it shows in all his actions. He'd rather Nigeria breaks out in a war in hopes that he'd have a Niger Delta Republic to preside over.

You're all in deep sh^it if you don't figure out a way to kick this man out in 2015 because Nigeria is on its way to a one-party state if PDP "wins" next year. There will be no more opposition and PDP will change the constitution to allow him rule for as long as possible...

Well, till war inevitably breaks out eventually.

When corruption destroys a society--- like it has done Nigeria--- the resultant effect is usually a total break down in law and order which usually results in Civil strife or war. That's all the message your subconscious was trying to convey to you.

webdezzi:
South african MEDIA not South african government, anyone can pay the media to write stories

If that whole article doesn't sound paid for, biased and one-sided, then I don't know what else to say.

olajide8:
Hahahaha- how foolishly myopic - the people I blame is our incompetent corrupt leaders that make your likes believe we still live on trees- and we can't feed ourselves, part of the reasons why I blame them is because a few that have the opportunity come to your country to wash dishes and sweep streets- I blame them because amongst them selves 16 is more then 19* because 4 people will wake up and impeach a house of 24 people and our clueless goernment would not arrest them- a coup against what is right, I blame them because people would wake up break international laws pertaining movement of finance across international borders -I also blame them because - they have failed to realise that you guys - if you are black - are slaves, and if your white an outcast saxon (unwanted diluted blood) so I don't blame you - the major reason why I don't also blame you is because you haven't lived beyond the place you find yourself - I also don't blame you because my people refused to embrace technoloogy, and do things themselves- I rest my case

I bet you don't have electricity right now and have probably never been to a dentist in your whole life.

olajide8:
No- they down played it because they felt they had a tested vaccine and their way of life is better then ours-

But our way of life is better than yours!

We usually live to old age, usually close to 100yrs old, while you guys are expected to be dead by the time you're 53yrs old because of your stressful environment and lack of basic amenities.

olajide8:
No- they down played it because they felt they had a tested vaccine and their way of life is better then ours-

But our way of life is better than yours!

We usually live to be close to 100yrs old, while you guys are expected to be dead by the time your 53yrs old because of your stressful environment and lack of basic amenities.

Arch1:
President Jonathan ordered that all the corruption charges against Mohammed Abacha, General Sani Abacha's son be droped so he can prepare to run for the Kano state governorship under PDP.

President Jonathan recently granted preseidential amnesty to Hamzat Al-Mustapha, General Sani Abacha's hitman and the assasinator of Kudirat Abiola.

President Jonathan recently gave General Sani Abacha a national posthumous award at the centenary celebration

Basically, Jonathan is the one telling the world that Abacha was an exemplary and clean President that never committed a crime against , or stole a dime, from Nigeria.

GEJ praised Abacha and the Abacha family the loudest.

wirinet:
Pastor Ayo need not explain that he obtained relevant permit to commercialize his aircraft (gift), all he needs to do is to show us and his constituency the said permits he claims to have obtained, and skeptics would get off his case.

Allegedly is a term used by lawyers in cases not yet determined by a court. Even if a person is caught on camera stealing, he is still an alleged theif.

There is a law a law prohibiting the use of private planes for commercial purposes. When questioned about the plane, pastor Ayo explained that the plane was for evangelical purposes, he did not tell us it was for commercial purposes.

Since you are the person in charge of the leasing deal, please explain how it works; Pastor Oritsejafor's church members decided to buy him a plane to ease his evengelical travels, the pastor then decided to lease the plane tho Eagle Air (his company), who then leased it to Green Coast Produce Ltd, who in turn chartered it to John Ishayku, who then used it to ferry cash illegally to South Africa on behalf of the Nigerian government to illegally buy weapons (without the knowledge of the south african government). They would then clandestinely ferry the money in the same plane back to Nigeria.

Please educate us further.

Does anyone know who John Ishayku is, or are Nigerians too silly to notice that it is a fabricated Identity of (most likely) a non-existent person--- or at most a willing accomplice--- whose name was registered as the lessee of Oristejaterrorist's jet incase the deal blew open, like it did in South Africa?

prettyboi1989:
The South African media have published documents confirming the legitimacy of the $9.3million botched arms deals between Nigeria and the former apartheid enclave.
Reports by Rapport and City Press affirmed federal government’s official position that the transactions were legitimate.
The media houses said contrary to insinuations, end user certificates and a ‘shopping’ list accompanied the transactions as well as a note from Nigerian government authorizing the deals.

According to the reports, documents showed that the earlier consignment was approved by the Nigerian government  through the Office of National Security Adviser (ONSA), which is officially mandated to issue the end-user certificate for such transactions involving the nation’s security agencies.
An entire “shopping list” was also said to have been supplied with the certificate, which included everything from helicopters to unmanned aircraft, rockets and ammunition.

A top security source in the intelligence service disclosed that“In issuing end-user certificate, the ONSA ensures that it carries all relevant agencies and stakeholders along. Therefore, such a responsibility is not a unilateral development.
“For security reasons, the chains leading to the issuance of end-user certificate cannot be put in the public domain.
“The recent interest in arms purchase was informed by the challenges of insurgency which our nation had been grappling with in the last few years. This is why the understanding of all Nigerians is necessary.

“Nigeria is desperate to counter activities of terrorists no matter what it takes even when some of our friends are not being fair to us.
“The government appeals to the media and all Nigerians, especially the opposition, to consider the overall national interest on security issues. They should not read negative meaning to every good intention of government in tackling insecurity in the country”.
Continuing, the source said“The federal government and some top intelligence officers are concerned about how some officials of South Africa decided to frustrate the efforts of Nigeria at containing the activities of terrorists operating in the North-Eastern axis.”

DailyPost gathered that there are concerns that despite the leeway given to South African companies to thrive in Nigeria, there are still officials of the country who are determined to frustrate Nigeria, which in April this year overtook South Africa as Africa’s largest economy.
Government loyalists insist that the botched deal is being used by some prominent persons for political reasons.
They also accused“vested interests”of wishing the war against insurgency was not won.

On the latest story of seizure of over $5million by South Africa, those in security circles say it may just be a refreshment of the old story with a new angle.

Source: http://dailypost.ng/2014/10/07/concerns-nigeria-south-african-relationship-countrys-media-confirms-legitimacy-9-3m-arms-deal/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Amateur writing, mediocre Journalism and use of unverifiable "Sources" at its finest.

If South Africa really exonerated Nigeria the case wouldn't be in court and the money still wouldn't be seized. At the very least the South African Govt would've issued an official statement. No matter what the Nigerian side says --- even if they claim the monies were returned--- if a statement from the South African Govt does not suffice, then do not believe a word!

egift:
Yes, Abacha stole. Am aware you are referring to what Buhari said on Feb 18, 2011.

Here are Buhari's exact words:


At the time the statement was made (2011), the government had not been able to establish any clear case against Abacha. Recently we were told some money was returned.

Corruption is rampant today and must be brought to halt. We can't afford 4 more years of Jetty money laundry and the present Corruption of Mass Action.

You know the funny thing about these monkeys you're trying to educate? If Buhari had said "Abacha is a crook that should be condemned" they would've said...

"WHERES THE FACTS?! YOUR ALLEGATIONS ARE BASELESS!"

Idumose:
Donphilopus and egift,i have the same question for the both of you.

Did sani Abacha loot our treasury or not?
i am waiting for your answer.

Has GEJ destroyed Nigeria with corruption or not?

Im waiting for your answer.

princefunmi:
Good that your eyes are open.

But don't you think you would do a lot better by bringing those opened eyes back to Nigeria and implement some changes in an area that you have seen in Diaspora?

That way, Nigeria will become as "developed" as those other places. And by the way, is it possible to make as much money as you would in Nigeria in those places you talk about.

Why should he go back to Nigeria? To hang around senseless, block headed, always-refusing-to-learn people like yourself?

And why do you fo.ols always end up equating every discssion with money like you did in your last paragraph? Success is more than money. Life is about living comfortably, not stupendously. It's the simple things that matter but you clowns think nothing happens until you drive in Rolls Royces and fly Private jets to the grocery story. No wonder most of you end up being crooks; even your leaders.

Abraham2013:
4rm ur comments, I can see u hav not held an elected position in ur life b4, even if its a family head or a community secretary. Well as I said, ur imaginations are too small. D problem wit people like u is dat u tink nigeria is a small and powerless country. However let me ask u dis few questions, Do u tink dat same SA is not breaking money laundry laws in nigeria dis very second? How does dat same SA get dere own weapons? Do dey manufacture weapons in SA? Do u tink dis is d 1st time nigeria is procuring weapons tru dis same means in SA? How best would hav done dis deal if u were d one in charge or if u were to advice those in charge?

Anyone that even attempts to correct your idiocy needs to be shot in the head at close range. You're a lost cause.

BlackTechnology:
I hope you will regard yourself a lunatic when SA refunds those money now that the government is talking tough

That's not the point, you dense, ignorant, mo'ron! You questioned why SA didn't keep the illegal act on the hush-hush and I asked you if you think everywhere is as lawless as your West African Jungle nation.

Why are you Nigerians so in love with lawlessness and corruption?

BlackTechnology:
What of this case that involves bank transaction

Why did SA seized the money and made a public case of it without consulting the government secretly for clarification

Look at this lunatic. You think the whole world is as corrupt and lawless as your country?

sapientia:
Jet that have been leased to a 3rd party?.. People buys cars and give to transport day in day out.. So if the car becomes involved in maybe smuggling.. The original owners should be arrested abi... Is anything wrong with d pastor supporting Jonathan?.. Why are Nigerians sooo concerned about the fact that the original owner of the Jet is a pastor and yet dismiss the fact that the FGN said the money is for procurement of weapons... ..nyways....

Umm...

Maybe because the FGN has like 20 jets they could've picked from to fly to SA instead of involving and exposing Oritsejafor as a probable terrorist.

brainpower:
Let me ask the OP a question. If Buhari is this incorruptible as you say, does it mean that he will prosecute Tinubu, Amaechi, Kwankwaso, Rochas, Oshiomole, El Rufai, OBJ, IBB, Abdusalami etc? Just name them, or are these people not corrupt or thieves? Atleast Tinubu, OBJ and IBB, these ones are confirmed looters. Do you think after he opened his mouth and said he won't forgive OBJ and IBB, that they will be alive and see him rule this country??

Well, why don't you stop being a coward and be a patriot for once and vote him in then find out?