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Religion / Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 10:41pm On Feb 29, 2016
Kay17:


Was there any papal injunction against slavery? Any excommunication against slavers?

Papal Bull from Pope Eugene IV: <Sicut Dudum>, 1435

On January 13, 1435, Eugene IV issued from Florence the bull <Sicut Dudum>. Sent to Bishop Ferdinand, located at Rubicon on the island of Lanzarote, this bull condemned the enslavement of the black natives of the newly colonized Canary Islands off the coast of Africa. The Pope stated that after being converted to the faith or promised baptism, many of the inhabitants were taken from their homes and enslaved:
[b]
"They have deprived the natives of their property or turned it to their own use, and have subjected some of the inhabitants of said islands to perpetual slavery (<subdiderunt perpetuae servituti>wink, sold them to other persons and committed other various illicit and evil deeds against them.... Therefore We ... exhort, through the sprinkling of the Blood of Jesus Christ shed for their sins, one and all, temporal princes, lords, captains, armed men, barons, soldiers, nobles, communities and all others of every kind among the Christian faithful of whatever state, grade or condition, that they themselves desist from the aforementioned deeds, cause those subject to them to desist from them, and restrain them rigorously. And no less do We order and command all and each of the faithful of each sex that, within the space of fifteen days of the publication of these letters in the place where they live, that they restore to their pristine liberty all and each person of either sex who were once residents of said Canary Islands ... who have been made subject to slavery (<servituti subicere>wink. These people are to be totally and perpetually free and are to be let go without the exaction or reception of any money."[/b]

The date of this Bull, 1435, is very significant. Nearly 60 years before the Europeans were to find the New World, we already had the papal condemnation of slavery as soon as this crime was discovered in one of the first of the Portuguese geographical discoveries.

Eugene IV was clear in his intentions both to condemn the enslavement of the residents of the Canary Islands, and to demand correction of the injustice within 15 days. Those who did not restore the enslaved to their liberty in that time were to incur the sentence of excommunication ipso facto.

With <Sicut Dudum>, Eugene was clearly intending to condemn the enslavement of the people of the Canaries and, in no uncertain terms, to inform the faithful that what was being condemned was what we would classify as gravely wrong. Thus, the unjust slavery that had begun in the newly found territories was condemned, condemned as soon as it was discovered, and condemned in the strongest of terms.



Papal Bull from Pope Paul III: <Sublimis Deus>, 1537

The pontifical decree known as "The Sublime God" has indeed had an exalted role in the cause of social justice in the New World. Recently, authors such as Gustavo Gutierrez have noted this fact: 'The bull of Pope Paul III, <Sublimis Deus> (June 2, 1537), is regarded as the most important papal pronouncement on the human condition of the Indians." It is, moreover, addressed to all of the Christian faithful in the world, and not to a particular bishop in one area, thereby not limiting its significance, but universalizing it.

<Sublimis Deus> was intended to be issued as the central pedagogical work against slavery. Two other bulls would be published to implement the teaching of <Sublimis,> one to impose penalties on those who fail to abide by the teaching against slavery, and a second to specify the sacramental consequences of the teaching that the Indians are true men.

The first central teaching of this beautiful work is the universality of the call to receive the Faith and salvation:

"And since mankind, according to the witness of Sacred Scripture, was created for eternal life and happiness, and since no one is able to attain this eternal life and happiness except through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, it is necessary to confess that man is of such a nature and condition that he is capable to receive faith in Christ and that everyone who possesses human nature is apt for receiving such faith . . . Therefore the Truth Himself Who can neither deceive nor be deceived, when He destined the preachers of the faith to the office of preaching, is known to have said: 'Going, make disciples of all nations.' 'All,' he said, without any exception, since all are capable of the discipline of the faith."

The teaching of <Sublimis> continued:

"Seeing this and envying it, the enemy of the human race, who always opposes all good men so that the race may perish, has thought up a way, unheard of before now, by which he might impede the saving word of God from being preached to the nations. He has stirred up some of his allies who, desiring to satisfy their own avarice, are presuming to assert far and wide that the Indians of the West and the South who have come to our notice in these times be reduced to our service like brute animals, under the pretext that they are lacking the Catholic Faith. And they reduce them to slavery (<Et eos in servitutem redigunt>wink, treating them with afflictions they would scarcely use with brute animals."

The common pretext of the allies of "the enemy of the human race," i.e. Satan, for enslaving the Indians was that they lacked the Faith. Some of the Europeans used the reasoning that converting the Indians should be accomplished by any means necessary, thus making the Faith an excuse for war and enslavement. Paul III stated that the practice of this form of servitude was "unheard of before now." This clearly indicates that the practice of enslaving an entire ethnic group of people—the Indians of South America—for no morally justifiable reason was indeed different from anything previously encountered.

The second core teaching of <Sublimis Deus> which follows from this is the necessity of restoring and maintaining the liberty of the Indians:

"Therefore, We, . . . noting that the Indians themselves indeed are true men and are not only capable of the Christian faith, but, as has been made known to us, promptly hasten to the faith' and wishing to provide suitable remedies for them, by our Apostolic Authority decree and declare by these present letters that the same Indians and all other peoples—even though they are outside the faith—who shall hereafter come to the knowledge of Christians have not been deprived or should not be deprived of their liberty or of their possessions. Rather they are to be able to use and enjoy this liberty and this ownership of property freely and licitly, and are not to be reduced to slavery, and that whatever happens to the contrary is to be considered null and void. These same Indians and other peoples are to be invited to the said faith in Christ by preaching and the example of a good life."

Thus, we see that Eugene IV and Paul III did not hesitate to condemn the forced servitude of Blacks and Indians, and they did so once such practices became known to the Holy See. Their teaching was continued by Gregory XIV in 1591 and by Urban VIII in 1639. Indeed Urban, in his document <Commissum Nobis>, appealed to the teaching of his predecessors, particularly Paul III. The pontifical teaching was continued by the response of the Holy Office on March 20, 1686, under Innocent XI, and by the encyclical of Benedict XIV, <Immensa Pastorum>, on December 20, 1741. This work was followed by the efforts of Pius VII at the Congress of Vienna in 1815 to have the victors over Napoleon outlaw slavery.
Religion / Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 6:27pm On Feb 29, 2016
chaosattractor:
Oh hello italo! I was wondering where you were.

I'm sure you've seen the response I gave to your counterarguments.
My dear, sorry, you know our discussion is long and needs more reading and researching. See the other one you posted six links, I had to read them all. I'm answering you, pastor, Kay, jack, and others...can you do it?

Pls be patient
Religion / Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 6:24pm On Feb 29, 2016
Kay17:


It is a wonder that the Catholic Church endorsed slavery rather than use its spiritual jurisdiction against the practice of slavery.

False. The Church fought against slavery. Never endorsed it.
Kay17:


A further wonder that the execution of prisoners of war and refugees would constitute a just war!

So what should King Richard have done to the 3000 jihadists?
Religion / Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 2:06pm On Feb 29, 2016
PastorAIO:


Menh, it seems as if you now use the world as your standard. So if the world does it then it is okay for you to do it. That is just playing into the hands of anyone that looks at the Catholic Church and says, This is just another human institution. 'Human, all too human'.

So if Army commits every atrocity in the book then it will be okay for Catholic church to do the same.

If all the world are doing something that makes it okay for Catholic church to do so.

You just jump into a discussion and comment without properly analyzing the comment I was replying to. Is this the same PastorAIO I know or has someone hacked PastorAIO's account?

Someone lied that it was Catholic majority countries that engaged in slavery...I pointed out that it was all the world. I never said slavery was okay. And I pointed out that Catholic majority countries is not equal to Catholic Church.

She also point said a crusader king killed 3000. And I asked what was bad in killing 3000 terrorists in those circumstances. What should King Richard have done with them?

The Crusade was a war...a just war. In war, people die. Enemies are captured. Captured enemies are sometimes killed if it is the only safe option.

Then again, I don't know how you missed where I said that the Crusader king is not equal to catholic church.

The Pope called a just crusade...it doesn't mean the actions of all the Christian soldiers were just.

Please don't make waste time explaining these simple things to you of all people.

You're smarter than this.
Religion / Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 11:20am On Feb 29, 2016
Kay17:
@italo

Isn't it hypocritical to apologize when you do not mean it. And isn't it worse to dress such hypocrisy up as a virtue?!

The popes meant it...that's why it's virtuous.
Religion / Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 6:03am On Feb 27, 2016
JackBizzle:



Hospice is for dying people. Stop twisting and lying. The Japanese people did have rooms and provisions for the dying. My village did wiith the local herbalist. It is a common phenomena around the world culturally. Hospices were not invented by the catholic church. Stop lying.

Hospice care is a type of care and philosophy of care that focuses on the palliation of a chronically ill, terminally ill or seriously ill patient's pain and symptoms, and attending to their emotional and spiritual needs. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospice

Show me where the Japanese or your villagers did the bold.
Religion / Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 6:01am On Feb 27, 2016
JackBizzle:


Articles upon research articles have decried the secrecy and the laundering that goes on in the vatican bank and yet you claim that they are hateful allegations?


.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pope-vatican-bank_us_56031658e4b00310edf9e8d9


The seizing of the money is an allegation abi? Bloody liar

Only an ignoramus like you doesn't know the difference between "seizing of money" and a "conviction."

The money has been returned without any conviction.

Also, Msgr Scarano has been cleared of money laundering.
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2014/11/20/italy-promises-to-return-e23-million-to-vatican-bank/

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2016/01/19/former-vatican-official-cleared-of-plotting-to-smuggle-millions-of-euros-into-italy/

Your slave masters told you when the arrest and seizure happened, but when the Vatican was cleared, they hid it from you. They don't want you to break free from anti-religious indoctrination.
Religion / Re: Pope Questions Donald Trump's Christianity. Finally! by italo: 5:29am On Feb 27, 2016
johnw74:
^^^
Ha ha, Post after post you show that you take after your father

you said days ago that "Christianity is about having faith in Jesus Christ" is false

you then avoided questions on the matter for days

then you insinuated that you never said "Christianity is about having faith in Jesus Christ" is false

when shown yet again that that's just another of your lies, you then go back to saying "Christianity is about having faith in Jesus Christ" is false

Bad for you


apparently you cannot be in the truth and in the rcc too.

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.




smiley

Wrong as usual. Here is your claim that is false again. Read it slowly this time, without leaving out any part. You keep pretending (like the devil) you never said or saw the beginning part.


Being a Christian is not about whether you want to build a wall or not to keep out illegal immigrants and terrorists, it's about having faith in Jesus Christ, but you and pope don't get it.

I repeat, that claim is false!

Christianity includes what you do to strangers, like building or not building walls...or letting or not letting them in.

That's what Matt25:31-46 tells us.
Religion / Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 3:14pm On Feb 26, 2016
chaosattractor:


5) By the Heian period (9th century) the Japanese were carrying out palliative care and had rooms (mujo-in) set aside for the dying to prepare for and embrace death.
http://jsri.jp/English/ojo/round1/day1aft.html


Hospice care is a type of care and philosophy of care that focuses on the palliation of a chronically ill, terminally ill or seriously ill patient's pain and symptoms, and attending to their emotional and spiritual needs. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospice

Nowhere does your link say the Japanese did the bold.
Religion / Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 2:37pm On Feb 26, 2016
chaosattractor:


4) The three oldest (two are still functioning) universities in the world are all in/from the Arab world
http://mentalfloss.com/article/18853/quick-10-10-oldest-still-functioning-universities-world

You don't know what you're saying.

Al Azhar didn't gain university status until 1961. It was nothing more than a school of theology...a Madrassa. Till date, its stated goals are promoting Islam and Arabic. Is that the modern university system? No.

University of Bologna was the first university in the world. Even the word "university" is from Latin.
Religion / Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 12:54pm On Feb 26, 2016
chaosattractor:



6) Atheist, humanist and transhumanist thinkers dragged humanity kicking and screaming into the Information Age
http://www.alternet.org/belief/8-atheist-and-agnostic-scientists-who-changed-world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_science_and_technology

But sure, let the Stockholm Syndrome speak through you...

There is no proof of the bold in your links...or anywhere else.
Religion / Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 10:36am On Feb 26, 2016
chaosattractor:

3) The Vatican Bank was a haven of tax evasion and money laundering for decades.
http://www.npr.org/2015/01/30/382374060/from-laundering-to-profiteering-a-multitude-of-sins-at-the-vatican-bank
Biased article with bogus allegations. No proof...no one convicted...nothing! Just more like beer-parlour hateful allegations...'That woman na ashewo...' 'that man na tiff.'

To be continued...
Religion / Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 10:00am On Feb 26, 2016
chaosattractor:


1) It was Catholic-majority countries that specialized in chattel slavery.
http://scholar.library.miami.edu/emancipation/religion4.htm


False! It was all the world. The African who sold their brothers and neighbours were not Catholic. The Arabian slave traders were not Catholic. The N Korean govt that still sends hundreds of thousands of its own citizens to labour camps is Atheistic, not Catholic. The US was never Catholic majority, the UK was not Catholic majority, France has had an anti-religious govt since the French Revolution almost 300 years ago.

Also, "Catholic-majority countries" is not equal to Catholic Church.
chaosattractor:

2) It was a Crusader king, not the "barbarian", that decided to slaughter nearly three thousand refugees and prisoners of war including women and children.
http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/lionheart.htm
"Crusader King" is not equal to Catholic Church.

Besides, what's wrong in killing 3000 terrorists?

If Nigerian Army caught 3000 Boko Haram members in King Richards circumstances, what would you have them do?

To be continued...
Religion / Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 9:43am On Feb 26, 2016
JackBizzle:

A person that can say that the crusades were a good thing is a psychopath.
You see, a small part of the crusades were justified- there was a battle defending against the muslim invaders.
However, the ill-treatment of jews and pagans and also land grabs were wrong

Ecomog peace keeping mission in Liberia as called Ecowas was a good thing despite the raping of women and stealing of resources by soldiers (which wasn't called by Ecowas).

The Crusade as called by the Pope was a good and holy duty, if soldiers grabbed land illegally and mistreated the Jews unjustly, that is bad, but you'll have to prove it and prove that the Church called for that.
Religion / Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 9:01am On Feb 26, 2016
JackBizzle:



Someone has already destroyed you;


She has far more brains and tact than you. Learn from her articulate argument.

But I'm coming for her.
Religion / Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 8:59am On Feb 26, 2016
Geist:
@ bolded, I was actually waiting for him to prove you wrong before I reply you. How wrong I was

Told ya!
Religion / Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 8:58am On Feb 26, 2016
Kay17:


So you believe the Crusaders did not act outside the authority of the church?

Never said so.

The Allied war against the Nazis was a good thing...but did some soldiers act outside the authority of the Allied Nations? definitely.

The Crusades were a good and just thing, I repeat.
Religion / Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 8:55am On Feb 26, 2016
wiegraf:


When a government appoints a known looter to a post and he proceeds to loot then yes, I'd say the government is very responsible. Just as your church moved suspect ped0s around, rather than report them to local authorities.

Moving them around to other jurisdictions were they continued to work with...children

You say they don't represent the church? then do tell why they weren't sacked....



1. Hundreds of priests were defrocked for child abuse. Bitter haters like you always avoid that.

2. If an official loots, and according to the law of the land is imprisoned for 5 years, rehabilitated, counseled and released...then the Governor gives him another appointment, as is allowed by the law, then he loots again, I cannot say 'Nigeria did wrong.' same with a petty thief that is released back to society...or a Pedophile priest that is reprimanded, forgiven, counseled and reassigned.
wiegraf:

On another note bush invades iraq. Do you think Bush alone is responsible? I thought we have america to blame for that? Obviously stuff like that happens all the time. I mean here



If Bush went to war in contravention of US Law, then it can be said that he alone should be responsible. Why was Saddam Hussein Executed for using the institutions of the state at his disposal to commit crimes and not the whole of Iraq? Why were the Nazis tried and not Germany. When politicians use state institutions illegally to steal money, do you say "Nigeria stole Nigeria's money?" or 'Jonathan stole Nigeria's money?

wiegraf:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_apologies_made_by_Pope_John_Paul_II

A whole gaddem wiki page dedicated to your pope apologizing for crimes of your church

You think that pope, gods voice on earth that he's supposed to be, was misguided? Here's your current pope apologizing for past follies

http://www.survivalinternational.org/news/10845

http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2016-01-25/pope-to-visit-sweden-apologizes-for-catholic-wrongs

So your masters can admit their institution has been wrong before while you, good ser African, are here doing what?

Chai...



That's the difference between the Church and the secular world. Nations, communities hardly ever apologize to one another even when the most heinous crimes are committed.

An apology is not always an indication that what I did is not good or was not for a good purpose...or was not a just and deserved recompense. An apology could just be a mark of politeness and/or humility.

If my mother scolds me in front of my friends for smoking at 15, she could apologize...but she hasn't done a bad thing. if you slap me and I slap you in return, I could apologize, but I haven't done you wrong.

There are many Atheistic and non-Atheistic govts through the ages that have tried to extinguish the Church, killing clergy, demolishing and confiscating Church property e.g China, N Korea, USSR, Albania, Roman Empire, Vietnam, Great Britain etc...who has ever made such a profound and public apology to the Catholic Church? Many Catholics fought against many Protestants...who has ever apologized to Catholics?

The Popes are just being the better people - humble and polite.

wiegraf:


But wait, mayhaps you have a case?! let's go back a bit, and focus on the issue of ped0s in particular



So it seems like even your masters are panicking and trying to run away from this particular wahala...

too hot...lol

Suddenly, despite possessing 'full, immediate, and universal ordinary power in the Church' and 'also ... the primacy of ordinary power over all particular churches and groups of them', he is not responsible for actions of said church

that's as ridiculous and contradictory as your omnibenovelent, omnipotent god letting children die everyday from sheer hunger.

It does not compute, bros

Olodo that just swallows any indoctrination that haters like you post on wikipedia...here's is the full text which your masters hid from you:


Can. 333 §1. By virtue of his office, the Roman Pontiff not only possesses power offer the universal Church but also obtains the primacy of ordinary power offer all particular churches and groups of them. Moreover, this primacy strengthens and protects the proper, ordinary, and immediate power which bishops possess in the particular churches entrusted to their care.

wiegraf:


Make up your minds. You can't have one without the other. For starters, you accept the (possibly) good and the (conspicuously) bad, or you deny both.

I accept that the Catholic Church is the biggest charity and force for good in the world. I accept all Catholics are sinners, some with very grevious sins which contravene the teachings of the Church.

The reason you're seemingly outraged by pedophilia is probably because the Church kicks against it and many nations adapted their law to Church teachings. Islam is not against it. Many Atheists are even fighting that it should be legal for men to sleep with boys e.g nambla atheists. That's the difference, even when Catholics sin, they don't defend it, Atheist sin and try to legalize it.
Religion / Re: Pope Questions Donald Trump's Christianity. Finally! by italo: 7:09am On Feb 26, 2016
johnw74:

Being a Christian is not about whether you want to build a wall or not to keep out illegal immigrants and terrorists, it's about having faith in Jesus Christ, but you and pope don't get it.

False!

Being a Christian is about believing and doing good...including what you do to strangers. e.g building walls, keeping out immigrants etc.

Matt25:34 Then the king will say to those at his right hand, ‘Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; 35 for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me,
Religion / Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 10:09am On Feb 25, 2016
Geist:
lol, does this not amount to what I quoted above? You need empirical evidence to believe in anything. Bedsides , scientists are does who seek scientific explanation to anything not does who believe all things should have scientific explanations. No where in the quote suggested that all atheist are scientists. Get it?

He can't get little things like that. He's not that intelligent.

That's why he has begun to avoid your argument by saying "no need to talk too much." This is someone who has been talking too much trash on this thread for days.

Watch out for insults against God and the Church and your person when you press on with intelligent points.
Religion / Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 10:01am On Feb 25, 2016
JackBizzle:


The catholic church had slavery in its doctrine. In the bible and the papal decrees


Show me where Catholic doctrine had slavery. I see love of all men in Catholic doctrine.
JackBizzle:

The catholic church supported and instigated genocidal crusades


Are you talking about the Crusade to fight back Muslim barbarians that were killing and raping inhabitants and pilgrims of/to the Holy Land? That was a just war. We need another Crusade against the Islamic State barbarians again.

JackBizzle:


The catholic church laundered mafia money


No proof. However, I know that Catholic Church is the single body that runs the most schools, hospitals and charities in the world.

JackBizzle:



You then lied that catholic church invented hospices. Shame on you
Shame on YOU because it's true. That's why you can't show me hospices before the Catholic Church invented them...and invented the Modern university system.

JackBizzle:


You are a liar and a deceiver. I'm happy your lies are making people to dislike the catholic church even more.

You're wrong. It's truth that mainly makes people hate the Catholic Church.

And many people are liking the Catholic Church even more.

Show me any benefit of Atheism to humanity...

...apart from emptiness, bitterness and destruction.

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Religion / Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 6:46am On Feb 25, 2016
JackBizzle:


Italo is a slave for the catholic church. He will hype anything positive for the church while denying all the negatives

Which negative did I deny?

Show me where the Catholic Church ever taught a negative?

You're just trying to dodge from the uselessness of Atheism to humanity by attacking the Church. The Church didn't make Atheism useless and destructive to humanity.
Religion / Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 6:29am On Feb 25, 2016
wiegraf:


Make up your mind bros...

When your clergy are rap1ng little boys and aiding the mafia, it is not the Church's doing

When they give to charity, suddenly it is the Church's doing

Let me educate you.

When the official Church teaching and policy promotes and supports giving to charity, setting up charity homes etc...and members, arms of the Church and the whole Church itself do what the Church asks, with the full legal, spiritual and material backing of the whole universal Church...then we can rightly say: The Catholic Church is the biggest Charity in the world.

But when the official teaching and laws of the Church prohibits see outside of marriage, yet members, top officials of the Church defy the Church and rape little boys, we cannot say the Catholic Church is raping little boys. We say Fr X or Msgr Y is raping little boys in contravention of the laws of the Church.

When a Governor or minister is stealing money, you don't say Nigeria is stealing money.
Religion / Re: Pope Questions Donald Trump's Christianity. Finally! by italo: 6:15am On Feb 25, 2016
johnw74:



I understand. You even use scripture to accuse, even when that verse does not nullify my comment in any way, that "Christianity is about having faith in Jesus Christ".
You haven't the courage to answer the question I asked you many times, but instead keep changeing the subject,
you haven't the courage to admit you are wrong.
Christians have the Spirit of truth, but what a spirit that's in you.













You are avoiding the truth, unable to admit a wrong, just like the devil:

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

You have asked this stupidd question over and again to avoid the truth that Christianity is about our faith and action.

Please show where I said the bold is false.

Let see who is the devil.
Religion / Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 6:10am On Feb 25, 2016
CoolUsername:


Just for the record this is what I said:

"It (atheism) allows people break out of indoctrination and
have an identity of their own"

I did not say that a person cannot be indoctrinated into atheism, I only stated that atheism is a product of breaking out of religious indoctrination and thinking for oneself.

Italo just took what I said out context for his/her own nefarious purposes.

Bye-bye!

OK. So Atheism doesn't prevent indoctrination.

Religion also allows people to break free from Atheistic indoctrination.

Mention one Atheist who is/was not indoctrinated with something. Just one.
Religion / Re: Religious Children Are More Selfish Than Atheist Children, Say US Neuroscientist by italo: 4:39pm On Feb 24, 2016
wiegraf:


Can you prove that you 'can't find atheist charities anywhere'?

Can you prove that I can find atheist charities anywhere?
Religion / Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 8:39am On Feb 24, 2016
JackBizzle:



You are still claiming that the catholic church invented hospices? You are such a liar. Do you think you are bringing anyone to christ with your catholic propaganda?


Like a deceitful politician, you only talk about the good side of your party (the catholic church) while denying or omitting the bad side.


-the crusades and mass murders
-the systematic use of torture and torture devices
- the involvement in and support of slavery
-the cover ups of pedophile priests
-the suppression of scientific knowledge
-the bribery, corruption and murders within papal politics
-the embezzlement and fraud within the vatican bank
grin

So you cant:

Prove that hospices were existing before the Catholic Church invented them.

Prove that any single body runs more schools, hospitals and charities than the Catholic Church.

Prove that any other organization has contributed 5% of what the Catholic Church has contributed to western civilization.
Religion / Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by italo: 7:47am On Feb 24, 2016
JackBizzle:



Who invented fire? Who invented bow and arrows?

Popularizing something that was already common in different cultures across the world does not give the catholic church the right to claim that it invented it.

Stop lying for the catholic church

Prove that hospices were existing before the Catholic Church invented them.

Prove that any single body runs more schools, hospitals and charities than the Catholic Church.

Prove that any other organization has contributed 5% of what the Catholic Church has contributed to western civilization.
Religion / Re: Pope Questions Donald Trump's Christianity. Finally! by italo: 7:42am On Feb 24, 2016
johnw74:


You are a person that posts scripture to contradict scripture, because you don't understand the scriptures,
they don't contradict each other.

Where does Matt 25:31-46 and James 2:20 show that the quote "Christianity is having faith in Jesus christ"
to be false.

You're the one saying scripture contradicts scripture because you don't believe James2:20. I never said so. I believe both verses. They're not contradictory.
Travel / Re: 6 Catholic Seminarians Die In Accident - Graphic Photos by italo: 7:35am On Feb 24, 2016
JackBizzle:
@ Italo,

Where is your God now?

Exactly where he was when Jesus, Peter, Paul and others died.

Probably welcoming the seminarians to his presence which is far better than this perilous world.

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Religion / Re: Pope Questions Donald Trump's Christianity. Finally! by italo: 7:32am On Feb 24, 2016
johnw74:

It's understandable, how can italo-rc tell the truth
when he does not know the truth
johnw74:
"Christianity is about having faith in Jesus Christ"
italo:
"I have already show how false this claim is."
duh
johnw74:

"islamic is about having faith in muhammad"
"buddaism is about having faith in budda"
"satanism is about having faith in satan"
"evolutionists is about having faith in evolution"
johnw74:
"Christianity is about having faith in Jesus Christ"
italo:
"I have already show how false this claim is."
^^^
Christianity is not about having belief in Jesus Christ!
it's a false claim,
can you believe italo-rc?
johnw74:


You keep changing the subject away from your false accusation,
but @blue, you go against the very next verse which says "not by works"

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.


God's gift of Salvation is through Faith which God Himself gave, not by faith + works, you add to the scriptures.
Good works come after Salvation, God does those good works in the saved.
Now get back to the matter at hand instead of addressing everything but.


James2:20 Do you want to be shown, you senseless person, that faith apart from works is barren?
Religion / Re: Pope Francis Backs Use Of Contraceptive For Women Affected By Zika Virus by italo: 8:59pm On Feb 23, 2016
Empredboy:
so God has collected the key since Peter is dead. Abi? Confuse follower

No. The key is passed on to Peter's successors, just like Judas' bishopric was taken by Mathias. Pope Francis is the 265th successor of St. Peter.

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