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Alfa Seltzer: If I tell christians that it is possible that Beyonce and Rihanna will both spend next weekend in my bed, they will run about shouting that Alfa is dating Beyonce and Rihanna. It is amazing how a xtian brain works.

*new convert alert?*

I hear you say "possible."

Alfa Seltzer: Why does such a simple question disturb you?

Why not answer him?

I will answer him in the right thread. For this thread, we expect Atheists to do some answering for once.

So far, they are scoring ZERO.

They are even changing stance.

All of a sudden, some believe God possibly exists.

You better join this movement before its too late.

Alfa Seltzer: Do you also NOW believe FSM possibly exists?

Alfa Seltzer: The same place you put your evidence for your BELIEF that there is no Flying Spaghetti Monster.

I have never made any assertions nor do I have any opinions about FSM.

I simply dont care about it.

aManFromMars: That has always been my position. You just never noticed.

Cool. You have new converts: Evil brain & Logicboy.

This thread was started to evaluate those who assert God's 'non-existence.' Not you.

Logicboy03: Thank you for this. This is the grammatical problem of christian apologists.


Illustration;

It is possible that I could be hit by a bus tommorrow but I disbelieve that it will happen


^^^

Now compare this with a disbelief in God;


It is possible that Zeus exists but I do not believe in Zues
It is possible that God exists but I do not believe in God.

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Somehow, Italo ignores basic commonsense to claim victory over atheists.

Do you people see how desperation can lead you to foolishness?

You used to assert "God doesnt exist."

Now you're are saying "he possibly exists but I just dont believe in him."

I also believe jazz exists, I just dont believe in it."

Lol...

aManFromMars: My position is thus: I do not believe a conscious supernatural being exists within our universe. I accept that it is possible there's a Creator/Initiator though.

Just like characters in a story can not interact with their author, and the author doesn't exist in their world.

Ah! Amanfrommars too.

Is this a new movement or I just never noticed?

Logicboy03: Italo; you claim that atheist countries are good, what about your atheist North Korea that is backwards and full of suffering?

Logicboy; yes, Nrth Korea is atheistic but also a communist state. It is the communism that is mostly responible for their woes. Tell me, isnt it true that the only "atheistic" countries with serious problems/instability are those with communist qualities? China, North Korea etc? Why not call South Korea (an exact replica of North Korea without communism)?

Italo; atheist North Korea is bad....bla bla bla



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How is it possible to have a reasonable communication with someone who wants to bash atheism at all costs?

I know say you go like to change topic. Lol.

aManFromMars: This is getting interesting.

Really interesting!

Evil brain & Logicboy: ' I am an Atheist.'

Evil Brain & Logicboy: 'Atheism is disbelief in God.'

Evil Brain & Logicboy: 'I believe God possibly exists. '

LMAO!

Now does any other Atheist want to switch sides like them before it's too late?

Deep Sight: After so many years the discussion remains willfully misdirected. The question is the existence of A creator. By whatever misconceived name or rendered with whatever misconceived attributes. The philosophical necessity of a prime mover. That is the question.

As such, questions on this or that god are misfooted and meaningless. It beats me that Mazaje could fail to grasp this simple point for several years now.

The guy amazes me, to say the least. Same response to every question.

Q. Is Atheist North Korea better than Religious Nigeria to live in?

Mazaje: Which of the many gods?

Q. Is it rational to assert something without evidence?

Mazaje: Which of the many gods?

Q. Where do you live?

Mazaje: Which of ..........?

Does he read before posting at all?

babestell: Italo you try. I never understand what the Atheist are talking about 100% of the time. Sometimes I get the impression that some of them don't either

Of course they dont. They only speculate.

Logicboy03: Of course, same as the possibility of the toothfairy existing

Keyword: possibility.

Do you also NOW believe God possibly exists?

GeneralShepherd: Italo if you so believe atheists are lazy and foolish why not let them be? but till you tell yourself the truth belief in God is highly subjective and lacks zero objectivity. i believe in God because it makes me sleep better at night and I such i can't prove God to anybody. If you have any objective prove please bring it forward.

I didnt say Atheists are lazy and foolish. You must not have read this thread properly.

This thread is about the irrationality of Atheism when Atheists claim that Theists are irrational for belief without empirical evidence - while Atheism's belief lacks empirical evidence. It has little to do with Theists.

Imagine I'm agnostic.

I ask: where is your evidence for your BELIEF that there is no God?

Evil Brain:
Okay, fine. I leave room for the possibility of God.

Except that by my estimation, the possibility of God is only as likely as the possibility of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. And it's less likely than the possibility of space aliens secretly living among us, and far less likely than Tupac being alive and hiding in Ajegunle. Are you happy now?

Have you finished doing the experiment yet? I'm still waiting.

According to you, it is possible God is real.

We are getting somewhere.

Logicboy03: @ bold, so you know that your op is silly now that you know that atheism doesnt make an assertion

Yes it does make an assertion. Didnt you see the Wikipedia definition of Atheism I posted?

Have you never asserted that God doesnt exist?

Tell me which Atheist on nairaland doesnt assert that God doesnt exist and let me go and ransack his posts on nairaland.

You wan comot neck now because I am asking for evidence, abi?

FOLYKAZE: Im just a spiritual atheist. I dont give a damn about what hater think about that.

But wait....whats is spirituality to you?

Can someone please tell me the meaning of the bold.

Logicboy03: Have you stopped beating your wife? Yes or No

Lol in advance



NB a grammtically correct sentence or question is not always a logical one

Buhahahaha!!!

Is someone seeing what I'm seeing?!

plaetton: Italo. You know that you are being silly.
Your reasoning is becoming very very childish. You know it.
Is this the best that you can do?
Are you off your medication or something?

You're usually not this rude...

...until you've totally run out of reason.

This much I know.

First you try logic; when you're being debunked, you switch to ridicule and humour; when you're out of ideas, you become logicboy.

PearlyJay: The Rosary remains one of the greatest weapons against the evil powers and sin for those who believe. O Queen of the Holy Rosary pray for us. @ italo keep up the good work and thanks for letting me know that today is the feast of the Holy Rosary.

Thank you. God bless you.

Logicboy03: Fail


it is a DISBELIEF in the existence of God

a LACK OF BELIEF in the existence of God.

Do you BELIEVE that there is no God? Yes or No.

Lol in advance.

Evil Brain: Abeg, please!

What have we all been saying since the beginning of this thread? Show us the evidence and we'll believe. How can we claim to be logical if we refuse to be convinced by empirical evidence? You think we don't know how to accept difficult ideas? Have you ever read about quantum theory or general relativity before? Both are a million times more crazy than anything in the bible, yet we believe them because the evidence is there and so far, it is irrefutable. Evolution hurts my ego and I don't like many of its implications. But the evidence is concrete so I accept it warts and all because that's what a rational person does.

You don't refuse to accept the truth just because you don't like it. Or because the stories they teach you in church make you feel better. You weigh the evidence objectively and accept the logical conclusion regardless of whether or not you like it. This is science we're talking about, it's not a gáddem popularity contest.

Don't think that I'll let you off easily just because you've changed your tone. Basically, you have 3 options:
1. Do the experiment and prove your god exists.
2. Admit that you're the one who's irrational for believing in an ancient imported fairytale without a shred of evidence to support it.
3. Stop posting rubbish and wasting everybody's gáddem time.

I'm waiting.

Who is "we?"

Some say God doesn't exist. Some same they wont believe until they see evidence. They are two different things.

One makes a categorical assertion. The other doesnt.

If you belong to the first group, show your evidence.

If you belong to the second group, it means you leave room for the possibility of God. I have no problem with you.

To which group do you belong?

*this thread is to discuss the evidence Atheism's beliefs, not Theism's*

Logicboy03: Atheism is not a belief.


Fail.

It is a belief that there's no God or deities.

Blind faith. No reason. No evidence.

aManFromMars: Bro, you're in for a long wait.

Lol.

Are you saying they cant defend their beliefs?

Logicboy03: Werent you the expert on atheism?

You even recently told us that atheism is irrational....

It wasnt really me. It is Atheists like you that claim that any belief without empirical evidence is irrational. Atheism's claims lack empirical evidence. So it is irrational.

cintia: Glory to Jesus Honour to Mary
There is power in the holy rosary when recited properly
I experienced it first hand after I got married and was waiting on the lord for the fruit of the womb, I and my husband visited a priest who casually told us the testimony that someone got through rosary so we decided to start daily rosary, I became pregnant the next month, that same month had a great record in my hobby's business. Things has always been better since then, we now have two lovely kids etc etc

Thank you Jesus

May the Lord bless and keep your family.

Evil Brain: You're the one who's making the categorical claim that your flying judeochristian monster exists. For me, I refuse to believe in such a thing until I see some proof.

And unlike Pleaton, I don't even need anything as high-falluting as a space probe reading. I'll be more than satisfied with some simple statistical evidence.

Here's how to convince me: You say your god answers prayers right? And Jebus loves the little children, right? And Christians are always praying for their kids to be safe, right?

So show me a study showing that Christian children have a lower infant or under-5 mortality rate than the general population after correcting for socioeconomic status and country of origin. You can download census data from any country in Europe or the US and do it in minutes if you know how to use Excel. While this wouldn't prove outright that God exists, it would strongly suggest that something beyond science is happening and that there is a clear benefit to being a Christian. That would be enough to sway me and confuse Pleaton, Logicboi and all the other stubborn atheists.

There's no way it can fail. The blessings of God are real. People give testimonies everyday about how God has protected them and preserved their families lives. The statistics must show the effect clearly. Are you ready to shut the doubting Thomases up for good? You could convince world governments to promote Christianity as a health and safety measure. You could win the Nobel peace prize for bringing the world back to God.

It can't possibly fail! I'll be waiting for your to post your results.

If you're not making a categorical claim that God doesnt exist but you are open to be convinced by "evidence," it means you think there might be a possibility that God exists.

I would have no problem with you.

My issue is with those Atheists that are categorically saying God doesnt exist, like Mazaje.

Can you help me ask for their empirical evidence?

Thank you.

What does "spiritual activities, cause, entities, effects" mean to Atheists?

@ wiegraf,

As usual, you dont know the topic of discussion.

Deep Sight: ^^^ If you really think about it, it is you who needs to give the whole matter a break... since God does not exist... why bother... there must be a million more fulfilling things to do that obsess with deluded theists on a forum, no?

Just forget the issue, abandon it completely, it is of no use to your life - only urge people against intolerance wherever you see it being displayed - - - - that's more than enough.
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......................But o no, the quiet knowing prickling inside of you won't let it go, will it?

Because, like all mankind, it knows better.

Good evening, dear friend.

"Our hearts are restless until they rest in God."--St. Augustine.

Talking about Lourdes. That's a reference point if you have to show someone that science corroborates the miraculous stories of our faith.

They have what is called the Lourdes Medical Bureau that scrutinizes every report of healing before deciding whether they are beyond scientific explanation or not. It is made up of doctors and scientists from all religions, even Atheists. Any doctor is welcome at Lourdes Medical Bureau.

The bureau is so strict that only a tiny percentage of the reported supernatural healings end up being officially recognized by the Church. This is not to say that the many others arent miracles.

A number of Atheist scientists and doctors have been converted because of what they have seen at Lourdes.

okpurukata: My testimony is lie this. I went for the Catholic pilgrimage to Fatima and Lourdes in 2011. Earlier 2010 I had a spinal surgery and cannot stand for too long or even walk too long.

However, at Fatima, I joined the Fatima pennance prayers. This consists of praying the rosary while moving on your knees and covering a distance (not too sure the length). It takes close to 2hrs and about 20 decades of the rosary which is to be prayed slowly. I joyfully concluded this penance and prayers without even any pain.

At Lourdes, I had a complete bath at the water of Lourdes and completed the rigorous stations of the cross which transverses through hills. I tell you all, I was as strong as ever. I came back renewed and till date my spinal pains have reduced to a bare minimum.

The greatest miracle of all is that there were very old women and men in our group, some were up to 74yrs, and none of them was weak, or sick all through the journey.

Glory to Jesus, Honour to Mary.

Lourdes and Fatima!

Two places I'd love to visit.

Thanks for sharing and may the Lord continue to preserve your health. Amen.

Reyginus: ^^^Lol. One thing most atheists here is not good at is answering questions.

Lol...

Mazaje will come and answer: "gods are man-made," "There are many gods."

As if he doesnt read questions.

I think he has essentially the same answer to every question.

Is it okay to make a categorical claim without empirical evidence of it - only on the lack of evidence to the contrary?

What do Atheists say?

Yes or no?