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Thats right! Any good thing must be attributed to other factors but any bad thing must be attributed to religion.

Cant you see you're making a mockery of yourself?

What about North Korea that has had an Atheist government for almost a century. See how dejected, desolate, terrorized and poor they are. Even Afghanistan is not as bad.

Cook up another excuse for North Korea!

Logicboy03: Qatar and those other Islamic countries are rich because of oil and smaller populations. However, there is serious poverty in those countries. Dont let their rich princes and govt officials fools you

By what tests and observation have you proved that Jesus and Zeus are not living and responding to prayers?

*still your creed fails to hold up against the scrutiny you subject Christianity to*

You like to ask questions to mock and provoke but the first question you're asked...and you're failing woefully.

Its a shame people like you cannot be reasoned with because you can't take off your shades to imagine that your entire line of thought is wrong.you've programmed yourself that way so it's no fault of mine. Ps: people don't want the truth because they don't want their illusions broken - Nietzsche

peterphd: By those words, I meant tests,observations and reports.Its a shame people like you cannot be reasoned with because you can't take off your shades to imagine that your entire line of thought is wrong.you've been programmed that way so it's no fault of yours.
Ps: people don't want the truth because they don't want their illusions broken - Nietzsche

Yes. A senseless question that can only come from a dishonest fanatic.

I remember you used to deny any good done by religion and its adherents too. You probalbly realized it makes one look stupid to deny the glaring.

Mazaje will get to where you are one day. Amen.

Logicboy03: he asked you a question.....he didnt make a statement.

peterphd: If you know you're going to a better place why aren't you in a hurry to get there.We're content with ONE life and we'll use it well.Stop spreading religious lies and embrace your mortality.

We are content with one life too.

Eternal life!

RationalDude: What are you saying? If the people in hell will be feeling pains, then they most definitely will be alive. Can a dead man feel pains?

Cant a dead soul feel pains?

peterphd: Lol.They used to exist and were worshipped but they're no longer here.zeus isn't breathing,feeding or isn't responding to stimulus (prayer).I think that's enough evidence.Can you prove me wrong and tell me where Jesus is and breathes?

That's it? Just your word?

You see? Your creed cant stand against the scrutiny you subject Christianity to.

If your word is your evidence, then here goes my evidence: Jesus lives forever!

My word.

Thank you, Damerry.

God bless you.

Logicboy03: where did he say that religion has made no positive contribution? did you see the pros in the op?

Is Mazaje the OP?

mazaje: And how many times have atheist created blood shed in your country?. . .The soldiers of Yahweh and Allah have killed uncountable people in many of the endless religious crisis that have plagued your country. . .How many atheist have ever denied you employment or admission into any university because of your religious belief. . .Many christians are denied employment into various institutions and admission into various universities because they are not muslims and vice versa. . .How has christianity and islam helped your country and developed it besides the endless wars and discrimination that it is causing in the country. . .

Now tell me, is the bold not a senseless question that can only come from a dishonest fanatic?

elampiro: Which church law are you trying to prove to me? Meanwhile you look at Pope Francis in his schismatic comments aginst the Mother church ^^^ .

Just informing you.

You're in schism.

Logicboy03: You were totally derstroyed by majaze. And now you are attacking him to cover up your nonsense. Why would you claim that Majaze is dishonest and fanatical? You were the one ranting nonsense like a mad man- when you were claiming that atheists are the part of the problem in Nigeria. You have no atheist friends. Atheists are less than 1% of the population.


See your nonsense






then you got creamed by Majaze ;

Mr Referee, grow up.

Anyone who pretends not to see a single good thing done by religion or its adherents is dishonest. If the person does so because he doesnt like religion, he is fanatical.

What reasonable discussion can you have with such a person?

elampiro: I believe in the teachings of the church.

You are aware that you are now in schism with the Catholic Church and you may not receive the sacraments?

@ Elampiro,

Are you Catholic?

Do you believe in the teachings of the Catholic Church?

@ Elampiro,

Are you Catholic?

Do you believe in the teachings of the Catholic Church?

Why is it difficult for you to answer?

Or are you an imposter?

elampiro: Do you believe in the word of God?

So you want me to clap when the word of God is turn upside down or twisted to please the world? Pope Francis is ridiculing Catholic tradition and his predecessor and getting ovations from pagans.

I believe in the word of God.

Now, can you answer me?

1. Are you Catholic?

2. Do you believe in the teachings of the Catholic Church?

^^^

1. Are you Catholic?

2. Do you believe in the teachings of the Catholic Church?

mazaje: And how many times have atheist created blood shed in your country?. . .The soldiers of Yahweh and Allah have killed uncountable people in many of the endless religious crisis that have plagued your country. . .How many atheist have ever denied you employment or admission into any university because of your religious belief. . .Many christians are denied employment into various institutions and admission into various universities because they are not muslims and vice versa. . .How has christianity and islam helped your country and developed it besides the endless wars and discrimination that it is causing in the country. . .

If you only see the bad things that religious people do...but you see neither the bad things that non-religious people do nor the good things that religion and its adherents do, clearly, dishonest and fanatical people like you are the problem of the human race.

peterphd: I do want evidence.You're the one saying he's alive so you have to prove it.I don't want to provoke.I want to believe that Jesus is alive and allah is fake and odin is dead as well as zeus.You Christians are the ones keeping Jesus alive if not he's as dead as zeus.

I dont owe you any evidence, brother.

If you think everyone who makes a claim must provide evidence to all who ask, then give me evidence that Jesus and Zeus are dead.

[quote author=frank3.16]Ooops forgive me, I confused u with noblefada. All right, so according to u the HS is nt perfect... My bad[/quote]Permit me to ignore you until you say something I think is meaningful enough to be replied.

Thank you.

mazaje: I know religions practiced in my country that say things like, " Allah dislikes the unbelievers" . . ."Those that do not believe in Jesus are condemned already" or "do not be yolked with unbelievers because what has light got to do with darkness". . .The adherents of such religions see those that do not believe in their religions as the others who lost and treat them either as enemies of their god or people that are in the dark and are condemned already as their scripture says. . .This my friend is part of the contributions of religion to our society. . .

You are talking of segregation. I also know people that are Atheists in my country that say things like "believers are retards," "believers are the problem of the world," etc. Atheists like these treat those that do not disbelieve in God like them as lesser human beings who are mentally caged.

This, my friend, is part of the contributions of Atheism to our society...which shows that segregation is not a 'religious' problem.

I'm still looking for the religion that says "loot the treasury," "care not for your neighbour," etc.

If after 53 years, people are still deliberately mis-diagnosing our ailment like the OP just to further their Atheist agenda...it is obvious that it is this kind of dishonesty (whether religious and non-religious) that has failed us for 53years.

[quote author=frank3.16]Lol, this guy, u should be a politician.

Pls read the assumptions he clearly explained and critically respond to it. He had to go through that lenght because of ur ealier explanation of the perfectness of holyspirit, and claiming he was ignorant of what it actually does. Can u pls give us a clear picture of the HS and its role in the life of christians, given point 1-5 he raised?[/quote]Why dont some of you know how to shut up until you know what you are talking about?

Where did I explain the "perfectness of the Holy Spirit" to him?

You just jump into a discussion and as soon as you recognize who is the Atheist and who is the believer, you take sides with the Atheist against the believer without even reading thoroughly. So much for logic.

[quote author=frank3.16]Lol, how I wish u critically analyzed his post to the understanding of a layman. but don't worry, I wasn't dissapointed that u had nothing to say beacause there nothing to say except making up meaninless statement to make ur God look valid.[/quote]Wetin dis one dey talk?

Leo Adewale: please translate....

Come, Holy Spirit, fill the hearts of Thy faithful and enkindle in them the fire of Thy love.

(The full prayer continues)

V. Send forth Thy Spirit and they shall be created.
R. And Thou shalt renew the face of the earth.

Let us pray. O God, Who didst instruct the hearts of the faithful by the light of the Holy Spirit, grant us in the same Spirit to be truly wise, and ever to rejoice in His consolation. Through Christ our Lord.

Amen.

plaetton: Pray tell, which ones ,from 1 to 5 are the wrong assumptions?

I'd rather go this way.

The topic of discussion is the relationship between believing and understanding the Bible.

I have given my views regarding that. What do you say about them?

The Pharisees are even better. They had authority to teach the laws of Moses.

Who gave all these quacks that people call "pastors" any authority?

If I declare myself "Pastor Italo" tomorrow, will I suddenly have authority?

Ajibam:

were you there during the coronation?

Where you there when Jesus died and resurrected?

macof: bottomline ur religion is useless

I wont be offended because it is clear that you talk, then think.

I will take this as one of your arrogant but ignorant statements.

plaetton: @noblefada and Italo

The issues here are very simple. let me break them down in the simplest way. Ok

1. The words of god in scriptures are perfect.
Right?

2. One needs holy spirit guidance to read and understand them.
Right?

3. The holy spirit is perfect and is there to guide believers in understanding the scriptures.
Right?

4. Noblefada and Italo are believers who read the scriptures with guidance of the holy spirit.
Right?

5. Noblefada and Italo both read the perfect scriptures with active guidance of the perfect holy spirit, but come out with different interpretations.
Right?

So, what gives?.
Obviously there is a problem somewhere along that chain.
Which is the problem, the scriptures, the holy spirit, the mind of Nablefada or the mind of Italo?

If Noblefada's or Italo's mind was deficient (as the case may very well be. lol) , then why counldn't the holy spirit have automatically stepped in to buffer and auto-corrected this mental anomaly on the part of either Italo, Nablefada, or both?

The problem is YOU. You always make wrong assumptions.

Much of what you listed are not my views.

macof: so my mistake for using Passover instead of pentecost means I don't know the texts of ur Bible? just don't try to change subject here. the holy spirit didn't inspire the Bible.

You dont want me to change topic but you want me to discuss the topic with someone who doesnt know a thing of the topic or what he is talking about, abi.

You said with all arrogance and ignorance that the Bible didnt mention the Holy Spirit being on earth until Acts. We have shown you two out of many verses that show that you are like the 'empty vessel' making much noise.

Please, just shut up.

mazaje: Can't you read?. . Contradictory claims about the holy spirit as presented by christains shows that it is non existent. . .If you have another contradictory thing we can look at it or examine it based on its merits and see if it exist or not, but the contradictory nature of the holy spirit as presented by christians does not exist, simple. . .

Contradictory claims about something MEANS the thing doesnt exist...or it DOESNT NECESSARILY mean it doesnt exist.

Which one is it?

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peterphd: The request for evidence to be given for the existence/life of Jesus as you claim.

Oh! Why must I give you evidence which you have already decided not to accept?

Have you given evidence that Jesus isnt?

You dont want evidence. You just want to ridicule and provoke.

plaetton: It is human nature to be fascinated by millenia old monumental frauds.

Your opinion.

My opinion: it is human nature to be drawn to our source and maker.