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plaetton: Perceiving evidence?
Is that best that jesus can do?

How about seeing evidence?

Obviously, you dont know the meaning of "perceive," wise one.

Why dont you swallow your pride and visit the English dictionary?

Pope 'Saint' John Paul II, pray for us.

mazaje: Stop repeating this lie, cos that is not what I have said, the holy contradictory claims about the holy spirit specifically as presented by christians shows that it doesn't exist, i am not talking about all things but the holy spirit specifically so stop telling lies. . .Your have a very low IQ and you use it only for lying. . .

So contradictory claims about something no longer mean that thing doesnt exist?

macof: according to ur Bible, the holy spirit first came to earth on the day of passover. There was never any record of anybody possessed by anything called holy spirit before Acts. Ur minds are full of illusions. Pls snap back to reality

You come here arrogantly and accuse people of all sorts. Meanwhile you dont know what you're talking about. Why dont you just shut up about what you dont know? You dont even know the difference between passover and pentecost and you're trying to teach us about the Bible.

Psalms 51:11 - Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

My advice: SHUT UP...until you know what you're talking about.

macof: big grammar has nothing to do wit believe or holy spirit

Whoever mentioned anything about "grammar."

Are you reading before posting?

noblefada: I said in an earlier post that someone speak from the stand point of spirit, a way of training our minds to conform to who we are in the spirit. That's why we confessions "I love, I forgive, I'm a victor, I walk by the word", this are realities of who we are in Christ.

Not to worry, dear friend.

Everyone sins. We can agree on that.

mazaje: The contradictory claims of the holy spirit as presented by the christians shows it doesn't exist, remember the holy spirit is said to live in christians , it is supposed to teach, guide and explain things, is it the same holy spirit that is guiding and explaining things to Enigma and Oladegbuu that is also explaining things to you?. . .When then to you disagree ALL of the time?. . .All of you confidently and sincerely lay claim to this elusive and abstract holy spirit. . .

Dear friend, save your breath on this. I have got your point.

'If there are contradictory claims about something, that thing doesnt exist'--Mazaje.

Like I said before, you have a high IQ.

elampiro: Where did I mention anything like that? All I have done so far is to analyse his statements based on the gospel of Jesus Christ and the tradition passed on b the apostles.

Please let's leave this issue for now.

Why are you denying your stance. Didnt you say you believe all Maria's prophecies?

Didnt she say the new pope would teach heresy?

Didnt you say Francis is engaging in false teaching?

Do you know that it is Catholic teaching that an anti-pope cannot come from a valid conclave?

Do you know that not submitting to the pope means you are in schism with the Church?

Do you know that you are practically excommunicated?

Do you know what you are doing at all?

plaetton: So the bible is similar to a Ginnie's lamp, You open it and a holy spirit jumps out and does abracadabra on your brain?

Hahaha. Very funny.

macof: you are wrong. Moses, jeremiah, ezekiel didn't have the holy spirit. And you comment about being one with Christ before understanding the Bible is BS. The best way to read the Bible is wit an unbiased mind.

Who said those men didnt have the Holy Spirit?

Thats why we keep saying "you cant understand."

Not like you cant understand anything...but theres way too much you'll dont comprehend if you dont believe.

You just wont get the gist of the story.

macof: such dumb talk. Is the Bible not written in human language? Yes, and as such anybody that understands the language of his copy understands wat is written

You really believe an Atheist can understand when the Bible says "The Holy Spirit shall overshadow you" etc?

noblefada: There something u keep missing out, I didn't say the born again does not sin, but the Spirit of the born again man. pls get it right!

Why then were you challenging me when I said it is heretical for Ajibam to say he cant sin?

There was no mention of "spirit" there.

peterphd: Religion is the opium of the masses.You are high on opium.

That's your opinion.

My opinion is: JESUS LIVES FOREVER!

peterphd: Italo too dey dodge.

What am I dodging?

Please tell me.

aManFromMars: I guess you've run out of dribbling space.

I've never needed dribbling space. Never needed to dribble.

Thank you.

'A born-again does not sin'--noblefada.

"I am born-again"--noblefada.

"Yes I sin"--noblefada.

Case closed!

noblefada: Ok good the HS cannot sin right? Now see this 1Co 2:12 KJV Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. And again 1Co 6:17 KJV But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
The regenerated Spirit is joint to the HS, so if the HS cannot, the Spirit of the man born again cannot sin. Hope this clarifies things for you.
As for your question I've answered it already, Yes I sin and as long as I put on this flesh, I may still sin but what does the scriptures 1Jn 2:1 KJV My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
Pls take note of the conditional clause, if any should sin.

Oh please!

Lets me just free you for the sake of peace.

'If there are contradictory claims about something, that thing doesnt exist'--Mazaje.

Happy?!

mazaje: What are the contradictory claims about everything in the world?. . .Are you for real?. . .

Many people are perceiving the evidence everyday. This keeps billions in their faith and leads many to conversion to the faith. That is good enough for me.

If you refuse to believe, why should I bother my head?

What have I to gain or loose?

Why should I defend God from you?

peterphd: You go about saying he's alive but when you are asked for evidence you just don't have anything that can't be debunked to present.where is the Jesus? Where is the tomb? You must also remember that without a body, you can't claim that someone is dead not to even say alive.Till you present such evidence, we reserve the right to open the holes in your "you must have faith to see him" experiment.

Is it?

mazaje: isn't that what you have been doing here on the religious section?. . .

Shey na your business?

Iaz93: Shey na through Nairaland pope go pray for you??!

Why should I defend my God?

peterphd: I wish you could defend your God

But you can have my mind or noblefada's mind or your mind or the minds of two of us or the minds of all three of us being wrong about the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

It still doesn't mean that the Holy Spirit doesnt exist or that one of us cannot be right about him.

You havent thought that far?

plaetton: Obviously so. For other wise, your holy spirit guided mind would not disagree with the holy spirit guided mind of Noblefada and others.

You can't have the holy spirit being wrong about the holy spirit. Can you?

How I wish many Christians were as obsessed with my Jesus as many Atheists.

No.

Now, please answer me plainly.

DO YOU SIN?

YES or NO?

noblefada: I'm a believer and I'm born of God, then as for the second question, people are only scared of what they don't understand! so when a believer sins, that sin did not originate from his Spirit, but rather from his soulish (mind realm), that's what that scriptures was talking about. I much as possible I tried not to, but as one in the flesh I'm not 100%, but I meditate more on Gal 5:16. Let me ask you a question, can the Holy Spirit commit sin?

Yeah right! Just like contradictory claims about everything in the world shows that nothing exists.

You have a very high IQ.

mazaje: Contradictory claims about the holy spirit as done by the christians shows it does not exist. . .Pls when will the holy spirit solve the trinity issue for christians?. . .

Do you mind answering my question, dear friend?

plaetton: My points here are very simple.
1. You say that the bible was written or inspired by the holy spirit. Right?

2. You say that one also has to be guided by the holy spirit to understand it. Right?

3. Then, you and your holy spirit inspired comrades in christ make different claims about the same holy spirit inspired writings.

Therefore, something is wrong with either 1 or 2 or both.

Take your pick.

Are you saying that contradictory claims about what the Holy Spirit has inspired proves that there is no Holy Spirit?

Common man! If you're searching for truth, the least you can do is be honest with yourself.

...that is if you're searching for truth.

plaetton: Not if the thing in question is supposed to be holy spirit inspired and also is supposed to be understood with holy spirit guidance.

These are you assumptions.

mazaje: It is since you are both claiming something that is abstract. . .Jesus, god etc are just based on an abstract story and both of you are just telling us about this abstract idea based on a certain line and way of reasoning. . .You can show me Jesus at work anywhere, you can show me the holy spitit in action any where, you can only point to stories and keep buling arguments based ONLY on stories , the higest you can do is make claims on what we dont know like claim god created the universe because we really do not know how the universe came about and other stuffs we don't know. . .God is just your default position for "I don't know". . .

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Good. Good.

You admit one of us could be right. So our disagreement is not a reason to dismiss both our cases.

mazaje: Yup, and both of you can be wrong as well. . .

Differing views about a thing dont prove or disprove its existence.

For how many years shall we teach you that?

Is there anything in the world that everybody agree upon? No.

Does that mean that nothing is true? No.

mazaje: Only that no atheist lays any claim to any holy spirit or any outside source for guidance. . .So you FAIL. . .You have a bible, lay claim to holy spirit which some of you believe is also a part of your god for guidance, explanation and revelation yet all we see is more confusion and lack of agreement on every single issue, you guys can not even tell the holy spirit to tell you if Jesus is god alone or also the son of god, that case has not been settled yet. . .

Logically speaking, there is a chance that one of us is correct.

mazaje: noblefada is SPAG. . .He clearly does not even understand what he is saying. . .The problem is someone like italo does not agree with him on anything, but the two of them will still lay claim to this elusive holy spirit as the basis or inspiration for what ever they are saying. . Religion is truly a diseases. . .