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Dear friend, why do you refuse to answer the simple question: are you born of God?

Is it because you know that if you say yes, my next question would be: DO YOU SIN?

Now, that's the million dollar question you are scared of, isnt it.

noblefada: I don't know the amount of teaching you have, but one thing is for sure, the scriptures are the final authority, if you disagree, then do it with the scriptures!

@All again the same reason I don't like wasting my time, brought in my arguments gave scriptural references and backing, rather than they to challenge it with facts or superior arguments they resolve to name calling and gimmicks.
So @Mr troll and the rest the question again "Is it logical for an unbeliever to claim is knows and understand the bible"?

How is it illogical to believe what I experience daily? - The spiritual.

Mr Troll: As well as every other ridiculous religious books out there. . . The problem arises when they start the 'my religion is better than yours' nonsense, attempting to convince someone else using. . .Logic.

You can justify or condemn what you dont understand?

Mr Troll: its not a case of understanding. Its a case of justifying absurdity. You see, most christians when faced with an especially unjustifyable absurdity pull out the tired old mysteriousness card. They even go on to claim that it is not a logical book. Apparently they think logic is an evil concept that should not find roots in faith. Meanwhile, man is a rational being and it is only sensible that whatever you want to sell to him must make reasonable sense. And they wonder why others call them delusional. . . Funny enough they can confidently debunk muslims and their quran using. . . Logic.

Just like Mazaje's logic says that Macro-evolution is not logical enough but logicboy's logic says the opposite.

Now, does that prove or disprove anything?

THINK...about it.

RationalDude: Italo's "Holy spirit" says that "spiri-koko" Christians are still prone to sin but........
Noblefada's "Holy spirit" says the exact opposite (although he backs it up with a bible verse, I'm sure that Italo will still counter with another verse from the same bible).

Are you born of God?

noblefada: Its not heretical claim, its you that lack the understanding, let me show you from the scriptures in case you've never read it 1Jn 3:9 KJV Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Wise one. Continue to attack then. Never stop.

Mr Troll: lol. It didn't even take long for you to fall into your usual decoherence.
When stumped pull out the age old ad hominem: Why are you angry/worried/bothered about something that doesn't exist?

You forget that this is a public forum and as long as you keep making silly claims, we'll continue to attack them and expose your ignorance and dubiousness

I thank them for their witness to the faith. Pray for me, dear Popes - Saints.

elampiro: Yes. That is because the messages are happening in our world today. On a global scale.


However, there are some things I have withheld from this argument because I don't want t cause an irreparable damage. I might produce them in the future should certain things become clearer.

Good. You believe all the messages. This means that you believe the message that said Pope Benedict XVI would be ousted from office.

If that prophecy came true, it means Pope Benedict XVI who said he quit by his own volition is a liar.

If that prophecy was false, it means it was not from God.

Which is it...true or false prophecy?

elampiro: Some members of the prayer group all over the world (particularly some people from USA and Ireland) said they have met her. And they said she is one and same person, same voice in her interview posted to youtube.

LOL!!!

Just look at yourself, my dear brother.

aManFromMars: That's why Ajibam once claimed he can't sin.

I just dont know why some so-called "born-again Christians" make that heretical claim.

@ Elampiro,

You believe all the messages attributed to this "Maria" are true?

How do you know this person? How do you know her name is Maria? How do you know she is Irish? Which Bishop is her Spiritual Director?

In short, how do you know any such person exists?

Logicboy03: Guy, shift.......you are not helping yourself with these attacks.

Rather, apologise for your failed argument that the bible is for only believers

Logicboy03: in trying to antagonise atheists, many christians embarrass themselves.


lol......if the bible is addressed to only believers, what about unbelievers? Is the bible bad for evangelising and converting unbelievers? mtchew

First, I am neither antagonizing nor attacking anyone. It seems that you are in a perpetual state of hostility with...I dont know who (probably yourself). Give it a rest.

The Bible was mainly addressed to believers. I believe this is clear to every human being.

Nobody is pleading with you to believe in God. Nobody is imposing it on you to believe in God. We only propose...and if it doesnt make sense to you, do as you please.

Do you worry yourself this much over everything that doesnt exist?

Mr Troll: This is funny. How do you expect to convert somebody who has had no prior experience with christianity? In other words how do you convince him that your religion is the only true one?
What if he reads the bible and tells you it doesn't make sense to him? Do you tell him to believe first before it will make sense? Do you see how silly your propositions sound?

And you forget that most atheists here were christians who were exactly in your shoes now, justifying every absurdity in the bible and cloaking the unjustifiable with the garment of MYSTERIOUSNESS!

Its high time you guys begin to face the facts. . . The bible was mostly written by simple uneducated men who didn't expect their works to be so scrutinised down the years. This your holy spirit nonsense is annoying, we also see your intra christian debates where you guys can't even agree on what exactly the bible says. . . Is god one or three? Should you tithe or not? Should you worship on saturday or sunday? Should you pray to mary or not? So much for holy spirit filled christians. Mcheew!

@ Elampiro,

Why should we take your visionary's words as God's words any more than we should take T.B Joshua's words as God's words.

At least T.B Joshua, we know and can see.

One needs not look hard to realize that the Bible was addressed to believers.

That's why it's funny when non-believers analyze it like a science textbook.

And by saying "funny," I am trying to be polite.

True Christians never die; they only move to a better place.

Syncan: Bros, I see that...I see that. It pains me. Mater Ecclesiae, ora pro nobis

Amen.

My dear sister. I will give you what the Catholic Church teaches about Holy Communion and who can receive it and how. I guess you are a Pentecostal so I hope you can exercise patience and open-mindedness.

www.catholic.com/tracts/who-can-receive-communion

Please let me know if you have any disagreement with the text. We can take it from there.

God bless you.

plaetton: Believe me, I may not agree with the worship of Mary, but I would give my money to the Catholic church anytime.
They do a lot of great visible works in communities. I myself have , at one time or another , been a beneficiary of catholic community works.

We Catholics also disagree with the worship of Mary...but that is a topic for another.

I'm happy that the Catholic Church has been able reach out its hand to benefit you...one way or the other.

@ Syncan, the man has made up his mind about Pope Francis...

...only, he seems incapable of saying what the Pope's agenda is.

Pope Francis will never please Elampiro. That is apparent.

plaetton: Italo.
Like you said elsewhere, the Catholic church stands in a world of it's when it comes to issues like this.

In this religious section, I think most our querries are targeted at the mercantilist moneycenter churches that proliferate every neighborhood in Nigeria.

We can agree on this one. You are, at least, more reasonable than many.

Logicboy03: I know you miss the good ole crusade days.....one inquisition and they all respect the catholic church

Uyi Iredia: It appears this is the kind that gets to catch folks attention on FP.

So what has your church done for your community. Do they help out in traffic direction, cleaning, health services, education, political rallies, charity etc ? Tell us how your church has been of immediate benefit to your area: apart from the loudspeakers that disturb on Sundays and every other day, despite the prohibitive laws LASG passed.

Your comments are welcome.

Trying to remember when the crusade and inquisition happened in Nigeria.

Only haters can tell us.

I think of death. The main thing I think about is: hoping I'll be ready to meet my creator.

@Marthakings, are you Catholic?

The Catholic Church has also contributed to the fragile peace that exists in the country today.

Just look at how many Catholic Churches have been bombed and attacked by both Jihadists and even Christian vandals...how many statues and sacred objects defaced and damaged...how many Catholics killed. .yet our reply has always been peace and dialogue.

The Catholic Church has contributed so much in the areas of health, education, charity etc.

I scarcely think anyone needs me to expantiate on this.

Who doesnt know?

...But we dont shout these things on the roof-tops.

...and we hardly use loud speakers to disturb.

You know that many of these places of worship that people call "churches" do not like to accept suffering and death as a part of our humanity. It is contrary to their strategy to get and keep members by telling them all will go well and nothing bad is their portion. Its bad publicity for business to announce the death of a member. To be frank, I never knew they had become so bad as to abandon their fallen members.

Well, the Catholic Church is a world apart from that attitude. First, we dont necessarily see death as a bad thing because we know that true Christians never die. They only relocate to a far better place. We treat the bodies of the deceased as sacred. It is practically compulsory that we perform requiem mass and funeral rites to usher the one who has fallen asleep into the bosom of our Lord.

The question I think you should be asking yourself is "what is Holy Communion?" What it is to you will determine how you'll take it.

It seems like, to you, Holy Communion is just one of those herbal mixtures that the makers claim can heal any ailment...hence, you take it for healing.

Is that really what Holy Communion is?

^^^

So murder doesnt separate the soul from God.

...meaning murderers that die in that sin are headed for heaven if they believe in God?

Veni, Sancte Spíritus, reple tuórum corda fidélium, et tui amóris in eis ignem accénde.

charisville: He beloved, it's a matter of sematics. Jesus took the bread and it was just bread, but after giving thanks that symbol of bread turned into His body after the thanks. But people have also taken it to the extreme which is not correct. The main person the supper should point you to is Jesus and His finished work. So it's a matter of sematics. Thanks

God bless you. However, allow me to say one little but important thing.

The supper doesnt just point to Jesus.

Jesus is the supper!