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When was the Bible made and by who?

When was it turned upside down?

peteregwu: u dey mind them. even if they were pagans, who gave them the right to kill them..is that what the bible teaches, that we should kill our fellow human beings? then, how many did d desciples kill? the bible says we are sheeps among wolves. they just turned d bible upside down. anyway na devil we go blaim, but the unfortunate is that most members are still blind.

ijawkid: hehehe....desperate men....how can you tell if Jesus was not worshipping the grasses around him ?....

Because Jesus made us know that he was praying to the Father.

Now how can you tell that the person is not worshiping his bed?

It is just a simple question seeking a simple honest answer. Do not be scared.

Boomark: No.

This is like asking Jesus if he is bad when he said no one is good except the Father. Jesus came to take you all back to God and this is how he was doing it.

The divine nature(Godhead) belongs to God and it pleases Him to give its fullness to our lord the Christ. The Father also gives HIS spirit. All things are made in His likeness, both those that are called Gods.

Christ is His express image not the image of the spirit. We are His image not the image of angels. Angels are his image and likeless. ALL belongs and comes from HIM.

This is why Jesus said, the Father is the only true God. Do you still disagree?

Can you show me where Jesus said "no one is good except the father?" I cant find it anywhere.

ijawkid: How does one who lies down on his bed to pray before a good night rest com¶are with one who walks up to the deaÐ graven image of mary,bowing Ðown to it and saying the hail mary........

How can you tell that the person is not worshiping his bed?

alexleo: My friend you sound so desperate and ridiculous. Whats the purpose of kneeling beside your bed to pray and kneeling before a status? One has to do with just positioning yourself or leaning on the bed for prayer while the other has to do with worshiping an image in the name of worshiping God. Pls save yourself the ridicule sir. Thanks.

If a man kneels before his bed, bows his head and prays, how can you tell that he is not worshiping his bed?

henrisco: Christians in the house, Do you know sunday worship is not supported by any bible verse? I have been researching this for long, but still cannot find a single biblical evidence to that effect. Instead, all evidence revealed that the catholic authority changed the day of worship from saturday(sabbathday exod 8:20) to sunday. Many of us criticise catholics for worshipping images, yet we observe sunday fixed by them. Please Nairalanders, join me in researching this fact

Catholics are this! Catholics are that!

...then be going to Church on Monday morning na...

ijawkid: Did you see adjective used by your ilks??.......HOLY.??.....they caLl him holy FAther........

Okay, so your problem is not that the Pope is called "Father", but because "Holy" is added to it?

ijawkid: Can you give me one good reason why a title that is reserved for the almighty alone be arrogated to one sinful imperfect man??............

I dont see where it was mentioned that the title "Holy Father" is reserved for God alone. Can you please show me?

And I see where the Bible calls many people "Holy"...and they were all sinners. Is the Bible sinful too?

ijawkid: Besides apostle was like a Father to those whom he helped learn the truth and not anybodys Father......no one ran around paul calling Him holy Father.........

Was Abraham also "like a father" or "Father?"

If he was "Father Abraham," was he Holy Father Abraham or Sinful Father Abraham?

Segeggs: we as protestants accept that there are false protestants among us. But i wonder why catholics cant admit the gross paganism in them?

Who are the false protestants that you say you agree there are among you?

Mart d dart: I get what you are trying to do. Anyway, the authorship of the Bible is not what is in question...what I meant by "foot hold" was more like a means of verifying that some of the doctrines practiced were not given by God

Will you please be honourable and 'Christian' enough and answer my question honestly? You cannot know what I am trying to do until I do it, except you are claiming to be God who sees the future and the mind.

You said the Bible is the only foot-hold modern Christians have...

...and I ask again: who made the Bible the only foot-hold that modern Christians have and when was it done, since it wasnt so in the beginning?

Simple question that demands simple answer.

Richieboyn: YES. It is NOT the final authority. We had started exsisting ever before we compiled the Bible. God was speaking to us then, He still does so now...

@ Reyginus, this post, in no way says that the Bible does not contain the word of God.

Really...be smart.

Segeggs: @italo

the churches were one but in different geographical locations.

Why do you say the churches were one? Do you mean they had one faith and one doctrine?

Segeggs: God ministered to the apostles to write the NT just as He did to the prophet concerning the OT. I Believe He did that so as to provide us with a guide. Its just fortunate,if at all, that the RCC compiled NT and added it to the OT

What do you mean here? The Catholic Church compiled the NT or they didnt? If they didnt, who did?

Luke 24:41 "And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he took it and ate it in their presence."

John 20:20 "After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord."

That is the account of the first Easter.

That is the root.

henrisco: Who said the millions of christians killed by the roman catholic church were pagans? That is the biggest lie of our generation. The millions they killed were the true christians that chose to obey GOD Instead of the tradition of the catholic church.

Give us credible evidence of this so that we may believe you are not just lying out of hatred for the Catholic Church.

henrisco: Do you know that the papacy wanted to elimate the bible completely?

We dont know. Give us evidence that the papacy that created the Bible, compiled it, named it, all of a sudden wanted to eliminate it.

henrisco: Whoever was seen with bible was either killed or jailed.

Give credible evidence of this too.

henrisco: This evil act was carried out for 1260
years just as predicted by the book of Daniel 7:25, before the french authority captured the pope.

Evidence! Evidence!! Otherwise, you are just another lying anti-Catholic to me.

henrisco: Catholics should repent and serve God instead of the papacy.

I am Catholic and I serve God, not the Papacy so I dont know what you are talking about here. Can you explain how you entered my mind and knew whom I serve better than me? Are you God?

henrisco: You have spent time and energy showing how ignorant you are. From all the biblical references quotted by you, which one commanded u to worship Mary? No doubt she is blessed among woman, but God did not ask u to bow to image in the name of Mary. Please be guided.

Are you saying Joshua sinned by lying prostrate before images in Joshua 7?

But God didnt rebuke him. Why do you?

ijawkid: Even Jesus was never refered to by the bolded............

But Abraham, Paul and John were referred to as "Fathers."

What is wrong in following these examples?

[quote author=From_Guiriga]As a representative, how come he did not heal the child, like Jesus said that those could do if they believe? He did say they would do greater works...[/quote]Grow up.

deebrain: What the pope has been doing since he came is very commendable. And i dont think right thinking people are criticizing him for his humble and good attitudes. What is the issue is some folks are gradually turning the honour done to the pope into worship of the pope. I stated earlier that the subjects family said the right thing by stating that the pope's kiss was "like a kiss from God" and before u know it, someone comes here to try to bring similarity between the pope and God.

Oh...so now it is the Pope you will accuse us of worshiping...not just Mary, statues, rosaries, candles etc.

You sound like the Pharisees. The more Jesus went about doing good, the more they found one fault or the other.

Mart d dart: I was refering to modern day christians...please, read previous posts before commenting, so as to get the point and avoid misconceptions

So who made the Bible "the only foot-hold that Christians have" and when was this done, since it wasnt like that in the Beginning?

Just keep asking them intelligent questions...and dont accept any answer if it isnt explicitly stated in the Bible.

E.g: Where does the Bible mention Bible?

I have been asking that question for years and no Protestant has been even honest enough to say: "The Bible doesnt mention Bible."

The ones that answer the questions honestly, like Dr Scott Hahn, become Catholics.

Thank you for the advice.

ijawkid: While Jesus and the rest of us can be good,the Father is the only one who is all-GOOD......got it??......

So Jesus isnt "all-GOOD" like the Father. He is partly good and partly bad?

Mart d dart: Scriptures need to be brought up...that's the only foot-hold a christian has

Is the Bible the only "foot-hold" the early Christians had? Did they even ever hear the word "Bible" at all?

Ubenedictus: if you want us to keep the mystery to ourselves then why are you still on the thread?

...A thread that was, in the first place, addressed to "CATHOLIC CHRISTIANS"...

Ubenedictus: hehehe, no let frosbel catch you oh.

@italo, hann has a book on confession, its titled "lord, have mercy", i read it some years ago, it was a good read. Still looking for his book on the covenant.
his work shows the depth of his spirituality. They are beautiful.

Would like to read them too.

dokie: frosbel is probably combing the net looking for the next article he would use to call catholics pagan. when he finds his way here, he'll probably call the man a pagan and the whole story a plot of the jesuits.
the guy is trapped. maybe dem pursue am from seminary who knows.

any ways, its very difficult for anyone to study church history and the catholic church's teachings with an open mind and prayerfully, and not get converted to the church or atleast realize how wrong he/she has been.

my boss at the office is a staunch member of rccg. a prayer document on my table made her start reading more about the church. according to her, she never believed catholics pray that way. i only told her that if she continued at the rate she was going, she will be converted to catholicism eventually. she's said that won't happen. Only time will tell. the beauty of the whole thing is that not one of the stories of conversion i have read had anything to do with a catholic trying to convert a protestant. the protestant person always started the journey himself or herself until their eventual conversion

Any protestant that has the courage can give it a shot, but prayerfully and with an open mind. if such a person doesnt get converted, na small e go remain.

Not by power nor by might but by the Spirit.

Very true.

The Catholic Church is just like its head - Jesus.

When you examine the claims of Jesus, you come to conclude that it is either he is divine or an abominable lunatic.

The Jews thought the latter, we know better.

Likewise, when you examine the claims of The Catholic Church, you have to conclude that it is either divine or we Catholics are abominable lunatics.

Non-Catholics think the latter, we know better.

*LUNATIC IGNORED, STILL*

That isnt worshipping Jesus. This here, is worshipping Jesus:

First, it was "keep the mystery to yourselves...because it seems everything to u guys is always a mystery...including the worship of mummified pieces of human body parts..."

But now that we are asking them to explain everything about God to us, since they say only Catholics believe in mysteries...

...story don dey change to..."I'm just trying to jolt my men UBE and italo........we know how we dey do ourselves.........."

Abeg o...I no dey follow hypocrite do anything o...

*ANOTHER LUNATIC DETECTED AND IGNORED*

Simply because they hate the Catholic Church, they pretend as if they themselves dont believe in things they dont understand fully. Hypocrites!

Let he who can FULLY understand God cast the first stone and explain him fully to us!

jaymichael: The seven churches in Asia, i dont see the Roman catholic "church" mentioned here. The one and only true church is the body of believers who are genuinely born again in Christ and do the will of the FATHER in heaven,

Are you saying the 7 churches were all different churches or they were all part of the only true church?

jaymichael: the church is never a building or any physical structure.

Then why did St Paul say that the Church is the HOUSEHOLD of God?

jaymichael: The word of GOD should be our guide and a lamp unto our feet and not any man made traditions and doctrine formulated by any organisation that run contrary to the word of GOD.

Then why do you read the Bible. Did God tell any man to compile or create anything called Bible? Did God ever mention the word "Bible?"

Mart d dart: Scriptures need to be brought up...that's the only foot-hold a christian has

What do you mean by "scriptures?"

belabela: There is a deference between the catholic church and the Roman catholic church.

CATHOLIC - Universal

ROMAN CATHOLIC - Roman Universal

Assuming they are not the same thing, which of those two do did Christ found?