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Who are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven, if not Catholic priests.

You said celibacy was against God's plan

Jesus thinks otherwise.

PERIOD.

ijawkid: How can you say you don't see the fact from those verses that poverty is one reason why one can steal or steal.??........and ofcus wealth is one good reason why an individual can abandon God.......If not why would Jesus say that it would be easier for a camel to pass thru the hole of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God........simply put.....being wealthy is one of the reasons why one can leave God,the same goes for poverty........poverty could be said to be a causative of theft/stealing.....

Jehovah's witness, since you believe that there are good reasons to steal, rape children and deny God. I have to leave you with your fake christianity.

ijawkid: And I'm still on the issue at hand...........answer my question at least....it is scriptural and a requirement from God that unmarried persons be celibate until they are married,...and that if one is fed up with celibacy he or she can fall back to marraige so that he or she does not sin against God .......what is Gods requirement for those who have chosen to serve in the church??..........is celibacy part of it??......and what is the alternative for priests who earlier chose to be celibates??.....

The voice of the Catholic Church is the voice of God. God's requirement is what the Catholic Church says is God's requirement. I see you want to digress.

ijawkid: When you mention majority in the world I want you to be specific...have you forgotten that true christians are to be no part of the world??........



Judas was just 1 out of 12..........let the issues of pedophilia and homosexuality amongst priests be reduced to that level too...............marraige(an alternative proffered by God) for those who can't continue in celibacy would help accomplish that.......

1 out of 12? Judas is just the one who didnt repent.

Peter denied Jesus.

All the apostles were jostling for power and position.

12 out of 12, I say.

You have not answered these issues I raised.

italo: Majority of people in the world are free to marry. Where is the normalcy in the world?

Besides, why do you care so much about the the sexual inclinations of people you have called "satan worshippers" anyway?

Something is wrong somewhere.

italo: I'm disappointed. My dear, for a Christian, there is no good reason to steal.

Proverbs 30:7 “Two things I ask of you, Lord;
do not refuse me before I die:
8 Keep falsehood and lies far from me;
give me neither poverty nor riches,
but give me only my daily bread.
9 Otherwise, I may have too much and disown you
and say, ‘Who is the Lord?’
Or I may become poor and steal,
and so dishonor the name of my God.

Where does that passage say poverty is a GOOD reason to steal?

Going by your analogy, it would mean that "having too much" (verse 9) is a good reason to disown God.

AND THAT IS A LIE.


OH, SO YOU MEAN THAT CATHOLIC PRIESTS ARE NOT PART OF THE WORLD. THE TRUTH IS FINALLY COMING OUT.

I SAID IT, THAT SOMETHING IS WRONG SOMEWHERE.

Anyway, Judas was chosen by Jesus, yet he was controlled by the devil. Jesus allowed that to happen to teach you guys a lesson. After 2000yrs, you still have learnt nothing from that.

ijawkid: When did I ever say or believe that every catholic priest is sexually immoral??....eh italo??.....when??..........

I dont mean you think 100% of Catholic priests are bad, but you think majority.

When we say "every Nigerian is sharop", it doesnt mean we dont have dullards among us.

ijawkid: Besides I don't think the CNN or BCC are exaggerating........is the media trying to just smite you guys or that the acts of those priests who are culpabable are actually true??............eh??...........let's be truthfull hear...I know definitely that sometimes the media could be exaggerating,but is it a lie that there are so many cases of homosexuality and pedophilia amongst the priests??......

A look at the bolded tells your story.

ijawkid: Oboy the scriptures already proffers a solution to the constant happenings of pedophilia cases amongst your priests.........it is either you guys accept it or enjoy the lugubrious news that comes out of the RCC as regards there priests....

Matt 19:10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”

11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

Who are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven, if not Catholic priests.

In all your years as a Jehovah's Witness, you have never come across that SCRIPTURE?

I DONT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST MY NEIGHBOUR...

...UNLIKE YOU PEOPLE.

*smiles* It'd be nice to discuss with you too.

Syncan: My brother,the highlighted is priceless.

Thank you.

Ubenedictus: if d catholic church is an abomination then we must go as far as during d compilation of scriptures to sort ourselves out.
U askd wu gave dem d command to make images (images were there even b4 d compilation of d bible), the we must asked ourselves wu gave d command to compile scriptures. Where did they get d authority from?

This is the original issue at hand.

But the OP has decided to derail his own thread in order to evade the truth.

Who compiled the Bible?

When was it compiled?

Who commanded that it be compiled?

Where was the command given?

Reyginus: italo, I hate insults. Let this be the last time please.

I hate lies being told against me and 1.2 billion of my brothers and sisters. Let this be the last time please.

ijawkid: Apart from some of us whose religious status are already known on this forum,some anonymous persons who create threads to mock or deride protestants might just be catholics........abi??..........

"MIGHT"

I can easily tell you a number of protestants who open anti-Catholic threads habitually, without provocation, raining all sorts of unprintable insults.

Frosbel, Boomark, Plappville, Olaadegbu, etc

Dont pretend like you dont know you guys are the ones that have THE FEUD.

Reyginus: Lol. Why do insist on calling me a protestant?

Arent you one?

Or are you Catholic? lol

ijawkid: But you do know that we can correctly say that poverty is one good reason people steal....can't we??............even the book of proverbs says we should pray to God so that we don't become so poor that we resort to stealing.......we cannot deny the fact that poverty is one good reason why people steal........the same goes for the prevalent act of pedophilia and homosexuality amongst the priestly class in the RCC..........apart from imperfection and ones aTtitude towards immorality,abstinence from marraige is one good reason why these acts are seen among the clergy class.......you can't deny the obvious my bro.......

I'm disappointed. My dear, for a Christian, there is no good reason to steal.

Proverbs 30:7 “Two things I ask of you, Lord;
do not refuse me before I die:
8 Keep falsehood and lies far from me;
give me neither poverty nor riches,
but give me only my daily bread.
9 Otherwise, I may have too much and disown you
and say, ‘Who is the Lord?’
Or I may become poor and steal,
and so dishonor the name of my God.

Where does that passage say poverty is a GOOD reason to steal?

Going by your analogy, it would mean that "having too much" (verse 9) is a good reason to disown God.

AND THAT IS A LIE.

ijawkid: Unmarried christians should be celibate according to the scriptures until they are married not so??......that is scripturally correct and that is what God requires of unmarried individuals............now can you tell me what Gods requirement is for priests or those who wish to serve in the church from the scriptures??........

You have started the traditional protestant doctrinal dance.

We are discussing whether celibacy is the causative for pedophilia and homosexuality among some priests...and you have started the "where is it in scripture deviation." If I start it with you now, can you stand it? Okay, where is it in scripture that christians should not do anything that is not in scripture? Where is it in scripture that everything good is in scripture?

ijawkid: The reason why there are so many pedophiles,rapists and porn stars in the world is because they are being controlled by the devil.....those persons are part of the world........anything goes for them...........

OH, SO YOU MEAN THAT CATHOLIC PRIESTS ARE NOT PART OF THE WORLD. THE TRUTH IS FINALLY COMING OUT.

I SAID IT, THAT SOMETHING IS WRONG SOMEWHERE.

Anyway, Judas was chosen by Jesus, yet he was controlled by the devil. Jesus allowed that to happen to teach you guys a lesson. After 2000yrs, you still have learnt nothing from that.

ijawkid: When you mention members of the society what or who do you mean exactly??....the entire human society that is under the influence of the ruler of this world(the devil) or professed practicers of Gods word??..........

The human enforced law on celibacy for priests like I've said is one good reason for the prevalent act of homosexuality and pedophilia amongst those who are priests........

Ok have you or any other person taken into account the ratio of pedophilia and homosexuality cases amongst the priestly class to that of the laity class??..........

How prevalent is this act amongst the laity class compared to the clergy class.....

Thank you....

There are two reasons why you think every Catholic priest is sexually immoral.

1. CNN, BBC ETC TELL YOU SO.

2. You want/like to believe it.

The reason CNN, BBC etc blow out of proportion the things that Catholic priests do is that The Catholic Church is the main institution that stands up and opposes their evil agenda legalizing gay marriage and abortion etc all over the world. There are many pedophiles in larger society but you dont put much attention on them because they are not Catholic priests. Ask any lady close to you and she will tell you that most girls are molested as kids by usually close relatives or family friends. Recently on twitter, some buffoon posted a horrific picture of himself putting his penis into the mouth of a toddler (girl). Did you hear any more on that story from mainstream media? No. why? Because it wasnt a Catholic priest.

And the reason you believe all the lies and exaggerations is that you are anti-Catholic.

ijawkid: I'm nt saying marraige automatically prevents pedophilia or homosexuality,I'm only saying it naturally curtails it...depriving grown men the wonderful opportunity of being married according to Yahwehs arrangement because of some church duties or position is against Gods plan and thus leads to chaos......it is glaring that one of the reasons for homosexuality and pedophilia amongst the priestly class in the RCC is because they've abstained from marraige .............

Let them marry and you'll see normalcy......

Majority of people in the world are free to marry. Where is the normalcy in the world?

Besides, why do you care so much about the the sexual inclinations of people you have called "satan worshippers" anyway?

Something is wrong somewhere.

Richieboyn: @Italo.
Yes. It is true that Peter was married-Matthew 8:14.

Of course, I know. I was just using it to illustrate how they go from here to there to try to distract from the issue at hand.

I know very well that Peter was married and that the Church's celibacy rule for priest only came about later.

It is not a Catholic doctrine (that cannot change)... it is only a 'discipline'...

Cheers and thank you.

Mr Man, it is better to keep your ignorance to yourself.

Sort out yourself first before you try to argue with others.

You say you are a Catholic...then you label Catholic Church as abominable.

Reyginus: Somebody cannot claim to be a christain and hold the notion that God is a tyrant... Does christainity agree that God is a tyrant? Yes or No.

Somebody cannot claim to be a Catholic and hold the notion that Catholicism is a abominable... Does Catholicism agree that it is abominable? Yes or No.

You say that The Catholic Church did not compile the Bible...then you say you do not know who did?

What arrogant ignorance.

ijawkid: Some do.......some catholics do while some do not..........but we all on nairaland have gone past that........we all are freinds regardless of how much insults we've rained on each other...........

E for no bad if after we don curse our mama and papa for here we go one corner go drink tombo or heineken..............

Go and check all the anti-Catholic threads by protestants...

Then show me the anti-Protestant threads by Catholics.

Saying that people engage in sexual immorality because they are celibate is like saying that people steal because they are poor.

A thief is a thief. One who cannot control the urge to take someone else's belonging when he is poor, will not be able to control the same urge when he is rich. Just look at our politicians if you need proof of that.

I tell you, a priest who cannot control his urge to engage in sexual immorality, will not be able to control it, even if he were married.

Do not forget that priests are not the only people required to be celibate.

Every unmarried Christian should be celibate.

Why are there so many homosexuals, pedophiles, rapists, porn artists, prostitutes, LovePeddler-mongers, perverts etc among unmarried people? Is it because they are required to be celibate?

No! It is because they are not fighting hard enough against the urge to sin.

Until we meet at your promised thread for you and I.

We dont have a feud with you...

Do you see any Catholic on nairaland that wakes up in the morning and rains insults on Jehovah's witnesses, rccg, christembasy, olumba olumba etc from morning to night without provocation, like you people do?

I dont see any.

There are homosexuals and pedophiles in the general society among those who are not celibate.

Celibacy has nothing to do with pedophilia and homosexuality.

Jesus and Paul were celibate, but were homosexuals and pedophiles.

There are many Catholic Priests like them.

Nothing like that oath exists.

It is a forgery.

Anti-Catholics will jump at anything that seems to discredit the Catholic Church.

Habemus Papam Franciscum.

St. Francis of Assisi lives on.

@ Richieboyn,

Nice one, thanks.

One thing we must know is that most protestants are not really after the truth. It is not just that they dont know, they dont want to know. That is why, when they raise an objection to a Catholic practice or doctrine e.g purgatory, and you address that issue comprehensively, they dont say, "okay you are right," they just go ahead and say "you worship Mary," "Peter was married, but you Popes dont marry," "you drink alcohol" "you baptize babies" "priests abuse children" etc...

Why do they do that? They cannot handle the truth about purgatory so they try to run away by listing other issues and distracting you from the original topic.

You look at a place like the US and you find many intelligent Protestant and evangelical Pastor becoming Catholic e.g Scott Hahn, Jeff Cavins etc. The do so because they kept seeking the truth even when they were protestants. Most Nigerian protestants are not open to truth like this...they are only seeking opportunities to bash what they do not understand, when they argue.

However, we must still do our bit for the very few who might be genuinely seeking truth.

MacDaddy01: My,my, my.....


On Sunday, Italo will recieve holy communion aka the body of christ in a state of grace and holiness........forgetting that he was calling people mad for telling the truth about his church

CAMEROONPRIDE: ^ go advertise somewhere else. Tufia
Don't lemme unleash sango and amadioah on you .mbanu

Keep entertaining me.

chukwudi44: No one is yet to answer my questions? The entire gospels were anonymous,how do we know if there are genuine or if they were written by their acclaimed authours?

We know because the Catholic Church told us so.

chukwudi44: You bunch of ignoramus quoting scriptures you know not how they came about? You do not even know that some of the books we call scriptures todays were hotly contested and almost did not make it to the bible.The books of hebrews-revelation falls into this category?

Truthislight is claiming that theses letters written by the apostles were simply passed down.Are you aware there were myriads of epistles purpotedly written by the apostles that was flying around and even contradicting one another.you only go and quote the canononised scriptures saying paul or peter said this or that as if you were there.whether you like it or not credit must go to the early church fathers who were able to sieve out the genuine scriptures from the myriads of spurious ones.

Are you also aware that some letters were lost? Where is paul's epistle to the ladociens? 1 corinthians was not really pauls first letter to the corinthians .are you aware of the fact that he made mention of his first letter in 1 cor

The buffoons are not aware of all these things. They claim to know the Bible but they dont know jack about how it came about. They dont want to confront the truth and accept it because that truth will inevitably lead them to The Catholic Church Which they hate so much. The worst is the impostor who lies that he is Catholic yet believes the Catholic Church to be an abomination to God. If a man does not even know who he is and what he believes, how can we trust him to know God's word.

I'm sure they'd all rather believe that on the 8th day God said "LET THERE BE BIBLE...AND THERE WAS BIBLE."

IDIOTS!

chukwudi44: No one is yet to answer my questions? The entire gospels were anonymous,how do we know if there are genuine or if they were written by their acclaimed authours?

We know because the Catholic Church told us so.

chukwudi44: You bunch of ignoramus quoting scriptures you know not how they came about? You do not even know that some of the books we call scriptures todays were hotly contested and almost did not make it to the bible.The books of hebrews-revelation falls into this category?

Truthislight is claiming that theses letters written by the apostles were simply passed down.Are you aware there were myriads of epistles purpotedly written by the apostles that was flying around and even contradicting one another.you only go and quote the canononised scriptures saying paul or peter said this or that as if you were there.whether you like it or not credit must go to the early church fathers who were able to sieve out the genuine scriptures from the myriads of spurious ones.

Are you also aware that some letters were lost? Where is paul's epistle to the ladociens? 1 corinthians was not really pauls first letter to the corinthians .are you aware of the fact that he made mention of his first letter in 1 cor

The buffoons are not aware of all these things. They claim to know the Bible but they dont know jack about how it came about. They dont want to confront the truth and accept it because that truth will inevitably lead them to The Catholic Church ehich they hate so much.

I'm sure they'd rather believe that on the 8th day God said "LET THERE BE BIBLE...AND THERE WAS BIBLE."

IDIOTS!

Goshen360: We have read the disagreements in the days of Paul and read how it was resolved; it shouldn't be a disagreement to us anymore.

How was it resolved?

woky: oboy see people..! I love the catholic church... Catholic til i die!

No be small matter.

The leeches are just looking for others to bring down to their bitter, frustrated, scatter-brained level.

I wont try to stop the mad men from being mad... I'll rather catch my fun by watching them display their madness.