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Goshen360: New International Version (©2011)
if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15

First, we are not here to deal with denominations. The name 'Catholic church' is a name of a denomination IN OR WITHIN THE ONE CHURCH OF THE LIVING GOD. To be fair, there's no mention of a denomination in that verse. It simple says 'church of the living God'. You're the one that SPECIFY a name that is NOT mentioned in that verse. How did you come to say that one church is Catholic is what needs to be explained and how you arrived at that interpretation deduced from that scriptures that it is CATHOLIC is what we want to read.

Goshen360: Second, like we started, if this is NOT private interpretation from you, what is it because you're the one constructing your own words into 'God-breathed' words......definition of private interpretation again,..."(of private) interpretation;" i.e. the writers of Scripture did not put their own construction (of words) upon the "God-breathed" words they wrote.

italo: I'm saying it is the duty of the Catholic Church to teach men the doctrine of God. You can go and interpret it the way you want...if you are in line with Catholic teaching, fine... if not...sorry.

Goshen360: Third, and again, this course seek to teach and\or discuss how we can STUDY to arrive at the accuracy of the preserved TRUTH of God's word. Yes, you're right, the church, that is we, Christians are the pillar and foundation of the truth BUT how do we teach the truth? How do we preserve that truth which we are the foundation? If we are the foundation and pillar of the truth, how can we ensure falsehood is NOT build upon the foundation and pillar of such truth? That's what this course seek to discuss.

Goshen360: I started by saying or telling us the God's way to arrive at the accuracy of the truth, you disagree it is not 'scripture interpret scriptures' and I expected you to simple mention another point but you pointed us to 1 Timothy 3:15 and you said, that church is the Catholic church BUT that scripture itself NEVER mentioned Catholic church as 'church', you did. You need to just tell us how we can accurately arrive at the truth other than what I said and let's move on.

Thank you!

Goshen360: Having time now, working from my computer and going back again to read; I found the 'problem' of holding the thread from here. Now, what is meant by 'allowing scripture to interpret scripture' is the only way God says the word can be VOID OF PRIVATE INTERPRETATION. That is, I cannot pick a scripture now and built on it BY EXPLAINING OR INTERPRETING IT WITH WORDS OF MAN'S WISDOM without using another scripture that explains how I arrived at the interpretation I'm giving to the former scriptures that one is seeking meaning to. For example,

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things. 2 Corinthians 6:10

How do I tell someone or interpret that Apostle Paul was poor yet making many rich? What kind of riches is it? If he was poor, how can he be making people rich while he himself is poor? knowing that no man can give what he doesn't have. How can someone make other rich without him being rich by himself? I cannot just tell people Apostle Paul was giving people money without telling them HOW I ARRIVED AT THAT INTERPRETATION THAT IT WAS MONEY PAUL WAS GIVING PEOPLE TO MAKE THEM RICH. Whatever, I say my interpretation is, THERE MUST BE THE SAME PHRASE THAT EXPLAINS WHAT I SEEK TO INTERPRET.....otherwise, that will mean PRIVATE INTERPRETATION as we already defined what private interpretation means,





No, that's NOT what 'scripture interpret scripture' means - It means allow a 'clearer' scriptures to INTERPRET or (loosen, unloose, solve, explain, explain and literally, release) the 'unclear' scriptures that one seek meaning for. It is on the basis of this that further explanations can build upon and the truth hold then proper application can follow. I think you missed the concept of this way of interpretation.

Scriptures DON'T contradict scriptures and it is our diligence to seek the meaning from another scriptures that compliments both scriptures and not contradict them. The scripture I'm using to explain the former is NOT my scriptures, it is a scripture that parallels with the one I'm seeking meaning to. Like I have given you an example from the above how we seek to find meaning to one scripture from other scriptures. That's what it means to interpret scriptures with scriptures.

Tgirl4real: Can you tell me what makes the Roman Catholic Church different from the C n S u mentioned?

Tgirl4real: Of course it is.

Tgirl4real: Is it not made up of humans?

Have you ever seen an infallible man (except for Christ)?

Tgirl4real: How do u expect mere men to interprete scriptures without allowing their personal preference, experience and opinion cloud it (same thing u accuse Goshen of) if there is no room for validation?


What makes their interpretation of scripture accurate or superior?

Tgirl4real: Lol @ remix.

I see where the problem is now.

First, you need to know that not all that says "Jesus is Lord" are true worshippers. And not all that have "church" at d end of their names are truly the church of God.

Tgirl4real: Having said that, you must also know that "The Church of God" - the body of Christ consist of those who are saved not the many denominations we see around.

Tgirl4real: So, quit looking @ "the church' as a disjointed body that don't agree on a single doctrine. The true Church of Christ have ONE Faith, ONE Lord, ONE Baptism and practise the same doctrine.

But sorry, if u ask me to mention that church, it is not physically located. We are all (the true believers) united in Spirit.

Tgirl4real: Looking at this (ur) submission again and what u claim Goshen would do unknowingly...

1. Are u saying the Roman Catholic Church is te Church that should teach us all "truth" - interpreting scriptures for us?

Tgirl4real: 2. Are u also saying that the leadership of the RCC (Papalcy -- I hope I'm correct) is Infallible?

Bobbysworld28: When we say Catholic aren't we all Catholic? Catholic means universal. So I tell u this I am catholic too. We all r. But not d Roman one. Because immediately d church got to Rome & embraced its traditions d heresy we hv now was spawned. I urge all Roman Catholics to read d words of Jesus & compare them to d misnomer dt they practice now. Now also take time to digest d body of revelation d Apostle Paul penned down while digesting d ones Jesus' disciples wrote.
Then & only then would they realise wht a fraud they hv bn practicing..
If italo said dt d church validates d scriptures (which btw is absurd) then go thru acts of d apostles & c wht d early church was like/abt. It was God thru his Spirit confirming d word with signs following

frosbel: The church does not validate the bible.

The Spirit validates his Word, period.

And let me make it clear, when we say Church here, we mean the body of Christ where Christ Jesus is it's head , he leads his church or people from victory unto victory and the gates of Hades will not prevail.

This has nothing to do with the counterfeit church.

italo: I will tell you plainly at my own time. Please be patient. I want this discussion to be as reasonable as possible. So far there has not been much exchange of reasoning perhaps because some of the fanatics and psychopaths on nairaland have nothing reasonable to add. But I assure you, if I point you to the PILLAR and FOUNDATION of TRUTH, you'll see them rushing in to condemn it without even reasonably addressing the topic of discussion...thereby, derailing the thread.

freshpapi: @Italo: r u saying we have to wait for the catholic
Church to get proper interpretation of scriptures?
I beg to disagree.

freshpapi: Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Every christian has access to insight and revelation of the scriptures. The blood/death f Jesus already gives us access to revelation. The Holy Spirit will teach us as Jesus said. Even Jesus quoted from d scriptures for he said, 'I ave come as it is written of me in the volume of the book'. Even when satan tempted Him, 'it is written' was his constant defence. The point is the Berean xtians constantly went back to d scriptures after hearing the apostles preach to be sure that their preaching aligned with the word.

Goshen360: Okay. Back to what I started....allowing scriptures explain scripture, can you use another scripture to show us that the 'church' in the context or as used in the verse quoted, means SPECIFICALLY Roman catholic?

Tgirl4real: I'm a Chriatian and I don't belong to the Roman Catholic Church.



Catholic Church means the universal church. Every believer is a member of the universal body of Christ (Ephes 4: 4-6). It is different from the Roman Catholic Church.

Mayowura: Thread's going nice.
We are knowing the fundamentals before going into mission!


I pray HOLY SPIRIT direct us all and block every channel of confusion and arguements IN JESUS NAME,
Amen.

Goshen360: @ italo,

Is your response above an answer to my question asked?

truthislight: I dont have "a superior bible knowledge", am still learning.

Care to educate me?
Thank you in anticipation.
Peace.

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truthislight: "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called god, or that is worshipped; so that he as god sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is god." (2 Thessalonians 2:4).
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Who is this person that is sitteth on the temple of the God's?

Tgirl4real: Cos all believers are a member of the Catholic Church

ifeness: You have no choice but to obey! sheep

Syncan: Humility continues to evade you.Though we're hidden in anonymity,but your actions speak so loud that your words become mere noise. You accused a man of not mentioning Jesus, irrelevant as that may be to those he shepherds,It has long been pointed out to you that you acknowledged that he did say a prayer "Hail Mary" which included words from the scripture, and in this prayer was the word "Jesus" reverently mentioned. The accusation remains the title of this thread and it is wrong. You need to acknowledge your gaffe, it is true Christianity to say "I was wrong, I'm sorry". As long as you do not...all i see is pride, the more you put up defenses, even you know you're going far away from light.

ijawkid: Italo u never still stop this your mumu run arounds??.......

davidylan: 1. So does the moldy heart heal or cure evil spirits?

davidylan: 2. I do not subscribe to the use of handkerchiefs by pentecostals.

Enigma: Interesting irony going on here.

The new RC pope, AFAWK, believes that Jesus IS God.

He makes a speech in which he twice mentions the Lord.

By "the Lord" the RC pope is clearly referring to his God i.e. Jesus Christ.


We now have people who do NOT believe that Jesus is God --- criticising the new RC pope for not "mentioning" Jesus.

Incredibilé!

davidylan: Dear friend i answered you. Back in the old testament, the people didnt have the luxury of an in-dwelling Holy Spirit. They had to rely on physical acts divine power unlike us who now have a advocate with the Father through the blood shed on the cross. God used a myriad of opportunities to reach His people - Elisha's bones, a river, an ass, a harlot etc. Do we also venerate a river for curing Naaman of his leprosy?