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davidylan: Sigh. I didnt ignore or dodge your questions because essentially they are red herrings meant to obscure the real facts here. The "relics" you mention in the scriptures were NEVER at any time objects of veneration. So what exactly is the correlation?

davidylan: Back in the old testament, the people didnt have the luxury of an in-dwelling Holy Spirit. They had to rely on physical acts divine power unlike us who now have a advocate with the Father through the blood shed on the cross. God used a myriad of opportunities to reach His people - Elisha's bones, a river, an ass, a harlot etc. Do we also venerate a river for curing Naaman of his leprosy?

davidylan: Again this is a deliberate twisting of the truth... no one worships or kneels before the bible. It is merely an instructional manual.

davidylan: Again this is a deliberate twisting of the truth... no one worships or kneels before the bible. It is merely an instructional manual.

Rossikk: Allegations? The crusades and inquisitions are ''allegations''? Are you out of your mind?

What kind of illiterate am I debating?

So you mean you are not aware of the FACT that the Catholic Church directly participated in the massacre of millions of people worldwide?

Any wonder why we think you christians (especially Nigerian christians) are among the most ignorant, brainwashed people on the face of the earth?

No western christian or theologian exists who is unaware of or would question for one moment the FACT of the massacres issuing historically from the crusades, inquisitions anbd colonial conquests. These are the people who brought you the religion. They know the history of it. Even their children.

But our resident African BUFFOONS like you are here asking for ''proof''. Calling it a mere ''allegation''.

Why don't you do a Google search and STUDY the well documented ATROCITIES of your church?

Dunderhead!




We are also free to call you slaves and bumbling, brainwashed, unthinking idio.ts.

davidylan: Again this is a deliberate twisting of the truth... no one worships or kneels before the bible. It is merely an instructional manual.

davidylan: Again this is a deliberate twisting of the truth... no one worships or kneels before the bible. It is merely an instructional manual.

Goshen360: Every accurate interpretation will ALWAYS agree with the written word that is already canonized in the Bible.

Goshen360: Please correct me if I'm wrong or misunderstood your words here. One the other side, the church was the Roman Catholic. On this side, the church is REPRESENTED.

These people (Paul and Philip) are part of the church of God as you rightly said in which Ephesians 4:11-12 comes to play before the scripture was completely canonized.

Goshen360: Also, like I keep saying and this will be stressed in the next lesson, there is place for the ministry gifts which Christ gave to the church. The case of Apostle Paul and Philip is one of it and the revelation being progressive then. The Bereans system is what we are doing with this Bible course - to learn how examine what is being taught.

Goshen360: Yes, you're right - Apostle Paul taught the Bereans BUT what did the Bereans do? They examined and searched the scriptures TO FIND OUT IF WHAT APOSTLE PAUL TAUGHT WAS THE TRUTH - How to do that, like the Bereans is what we intend to embark on with this course. I hope you balance both sides and NOT just say we should turn to the church or ministry gifts alone; we MUST be able to search out the truth for ourselves and see if what the ministry gifts teaches is truth or mixed with error.

Subtext: You too bro! But right before you apply your intellect, Call on God in all sincerity to reveal the truth to you! God bless you brother, 1 love!

christemmbassey: italo bros, i dey hail o, dont mind d bros weh want know y native dr dey talk to vulture head, abi de no sabi say catholicism na religion by im self? Pls let it be known to u all, catholicism is NOT CHRISTIANITY. That is y/what italo is arguing, to him, just because christians will never say anything without quoting the bible, so they worsip the bible, so if u guys are so devoted to the bible, the catholics have the right to be devoted to dead rottenedmeat, wood, stones, graves, caskets, molest mass severs and all d young innocent seminarians etc. What about the juju priests/native dr, the marine/water spirit priests, abi na only catholics una see? But seriously, bros italo, if to say i no de contented with de holy ghost, i for collect that thing whe u de smoke o, old boy see as smoke come turn u to the devil advocate, see as u de defend de worshiping of rotten meat, no fear no shame, u try sha.

davidylan: You are ignoring one glaring difference. No one dug up Elisha's bones, place in a jar and bow before it. No one worshiped the handkerchiefs and aprons that Paul blessed to heal the sick. Apples to oranges here.

davidylan: Dear friend i answered you. Back in the old testament, the people didnt have the luxury of an in-dwelling Holy Spirit. They had to rely on physical acts divine power unlike us who now have a advocate with the Father through the blood shed on the cross. God used a myriad of opportunities to reach His people - Elisha's bones, a river, an ass, a harlot etc. Do we also venerate a river for curing Naaman of his leprosy?

davidylan: I do not subscribe to the use of handkerchiefs by pentecostals.

Goshen360: Okay, @All

# Student return back to class and take their sit #

Taking a look at the situation on ground at the moment, we shall suspend all back and forth argument. We shall use knowledge acquired from this course at the end to address issues raised by our brother italo or we can open another thread towards addressing the issue.

This course is just beginning and we have more to learn. The mention of allowing 'scripture illuminate scripture' is just the first mentioned step towards arriving at accurate truth and that led to this back and forth argument. Thank you all students for keeping the argument cool and mature. It's okay for us to argue\reason scriptures together but in a mature manner and without insult.

2. What is taught here is subject to scrutiny like the Bereans examined what Apostle Paul taught them. That was how they checked and balanced false teachings then. We must do same here and from what we learn in this course, I want to spread it radically and passionately. The Grace of God is available for us to do such.

3. I will demand us all to be 'open-minded' towards learning and not holding traditions while we wanna argue or reason the scriptures. When a point carries weight more than what you believe and it's being proved, the ideal thing I will expect is for each one of us to take it cool and re-visit the topic and consider other heavy argue being presented. That's how we can learn when open minded and hold unto the truth of God's word.

Hence, we have one pending issue to discuss AFTER the completion of this course and we shall engage all things learnt to address the pending issue. Should there be another issue arising against as we go along, if it turns another argument back and forth; we shall also pend it if we can't resolve it on time. I hope this makes sense for us to continue.

Class continues tomorrow.

Thank y'all.

Pastor Kun: The problem is that you always view the 'truth' of scripture through tainted catholic lenses hence the difficulty you have in comprehending what the true gospel is.

Yooguyz: very ironic

frosbel: ^^^

You only say sorry when you INTENTIONALLY wrote an article to deceive which is what you are implying. I cannot accept this , not in a million years.

Motive is the key word bro, my motive was well intended and I have rectified any anomalies that may have followed.

You are left to clutch at your straws and dig deeper into your slanderous approach, knowing quite well the facts.

Then again, I have exposed so much fallacy and fiction in the Catholic church , such that you and co are left with no other option but to malign my person , which is really what is left for your guys

Sin against the Holy Spirit , take your catholic fear mongering to another planet.

Syncan: Your audience are not that daft, they see beyond your words.

Syncan: I may like a good discuss in religion, however I like to discern who I'm dealing with, so as not to waste my time with the father of lies.

Rossikk: One has to call a spade a spade dude. Your imported religion is responsible for the massacre of hundreds of millions of people in the crusades, inquisitions, and colonial conquests. And has topped that all with the blatant racism of denying those of your colour the leadership of your church for 1,500 years. How about that for ''insults, civility, and lack of respect'' (for you)?