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Ehen, join your brother and keep ranting.

I'll be disappointed in you if you stop o...just continue.

Rant on

Richieboyn: My brother, the thing shock me O!.... I was speechless till u spoke my mind

lol

You're welcome

Richieboyn: Ok, thanks italo

Richieboyn: Ok, thanks italo

truthislight: All this after i had ask that the correct oath be produce?

You are over confused!

Why not be straight forward?

It is either you(RCC) take oath or you dont take oath, if you ever took oath produce the one, if you dont know what happens i that secret place in Rome, then keep still and silent.

You allege (or at least subscribe to it) that the Pope took the oath in the OP. It is your job to prove that he did, not mine. We say there is no Papal oath, so we have nothing to provide you.

Let me bring it down to kindergarten language...

If I accuse you of being a demented rumour monger, would it be the job of the accuser (me) to prove that you are, or the job of the accused (you) to prove that you arent?

...hoping you can wrap your shallow intellect around it now.

You said to me: "bomboy, grow up" and it was okay...

...but when I said to you: "grown up, papa", you said I was cursing.

CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS IN A WAY THAT SENSIBLE PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD WILL UNDERSTAND?

Richieboyn: No, u shd actually be d one who's to shut that thing u call a mouth.

Let him rant. When you argue with a mad man, people from a distance cant tell who is who.

CAMEROONPRIDE: Let's go back to paganism/African religion those whites don't want us in their business.
Africans should stop deceiving themselves

And what were you doing here? Evangelizing! No?

WHAT DID YOU ASK FOR?

Seems you Atheists/heathens only know how to ask questions. You dont know how to answer.

Also, didnt you muslims prove the qoute about Mohammed to be correct?

What did you do?

You started to kill children of God, destroy their properties and their places of worship.

Isnt that EVIL and INHUMAN?

vedaxcool: Pope Francis came close to losing his position within the Catholic Church after he criticised his predecessor seven years ago.

In 2005, then Pope Benedict quoted from an obscure medieval text which declared that the Prophet Mohammed, founder of the Islamic faith, was "evil and inhuman", enraging the Muslim population and causing attacks on churches throughout the world before an apology was issued.

Reacting within days to the statements, speaking through a spokesman to Newsweek Argentina, then Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio declared his "unhappiness" with the statements, made at the University of Regensburg in Germany, and encouraged many of his subordinates with the Church to do the same.

"Pope Benedict's statement don't reflect my own opinions", the then Archbishop of Buenos Aires declared. "These statements will serve to destroy in 20 seconds the careful construction of a relationship with Islam that Pope John Paul II built over the last twenty years".

The Vatican reacted quickly, removing one subordinate, Joaquín Piña the Archbishop of Puerto Iguazú from his post within four days of his making similar statements to the Argentine national media, sending a clear statement to Cardinal Bergoglio that he would be next should he choose to persist.

Reacting to the threats from Rome, Cardinal Bergoglio cancelled his plans to fly to Rome, choosing to boycott the second synod that Pope Benedict had called during his tenure as pontiff.

"The only thing that didn't happen to Bergoglio was being removed from his post", wrote investigative journalist Horacio Verbitsky in his column in left-wing daily newspaper Página/24. "The Vatican was very quick to react."

Cristina Kirchner, the Argentina president, stated at the time that such diatribes were "dangerous for everyone".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/9931030/Pope-Francis-run-in-with-Benedict-XVI-over-the-Prophet-Mohammed.html

@ vedaxccol, I am telling you this because I think that you are a reasonable man. You should read less of the Telegraph. They are often guilty of sensationalist reporting.

The Telegraph say it is a quote. We do not know if it is a true quote. They give no reference. Search for the quote, you'll find nothing earlier than 2012, and that is on dubious websites. Being on the internet does not make something true.

That link just appears to be engaging in idle talk.

beautiful...

150 years and still going strong.

God bless the people who braved all odds and difficulties to bring this most holy faith to us.

alexleo: And of course i find it unreasonable and a waste of time for me to discuss and listen to the rantings of a mad man on rampage. Go get yourself healed first.

Alexleo sef dey call person madman?!!

Wonders shall never cease.

debosky: Oga Italo this isn't about church 'advertisement', nor is it about C.S. Lewis himself per se - it's about learning the fundamentals and practicing them. If the OP can do that through the writings of C.S. Lewis, then so be it - keep your quest to increase your 'numbers' get in the way of someone strengthening their faith.

What if I think the bolded means BECOMING CATHOLIC?!

Do I have a right to that opinion of mine? Or can I not express myself like others, simply because I'm Catholic?!

ogeelove: I played the catholic scene when I was young albeit not seriously. I have uncles who are reverend fathers and my mom is catholic. You asking me to explore the catholic route is like asking me to jump from frying pan to fire. I know catholics do not pray to Mary to grant their request but ask her to intercede for them. I just have an issue with that as our lord Jesus said I should ask for anything in his name and according to GOD's will and it will be given me. I am a christian, called to follow in Christ's way and must feed from every word that comes forth from his mouth. To wilfully disobey him is folly. I am at a level where I don't want to do it man's way. Thanks anyway and may GOD's peace be with us all.

It's okay. It is your opinion that exploring Catholicism is like "jumping from frying pan to fire."

It is also your opinion that asking anybody to intercede for you means "to willfully disobey Jesus."

Even though I do not agree, you do have a right to these opinions.

Good luck in your search for the TRUTH. But let me make a prophecy... Outside of Catholicism, your quest to find the fullness of truth will last your lifetime.

...IN MY OPINION.

Why so bitter and scatter-brained?

What then did you ask for?

So we should believe that the Popes take the oath, just because brainless anti-Catholics like you say so?

No proof... no semblance of a proof... no nothing!

Is that how you reason? 'Grown up!'...'papa!'

truthislight: Ok, noted, "Pope(s) dont take oath" ever!
(summary)
hmmmmm?!

That will be it for now.
But, how true?

If you have seen a Pope taking an oath, please provide the contents of the oath and evidence that it is genuine.

If not, my advice is that you keep quiet.

Goshen360: @ italo, ^^^

I will attend intensive to all your issues raised. Doing that on this thread will probably derail the purpose of this thread. I will start another thread for you and I, hopefully others will learn. Starting another thread for you and I, I will reference this very thread stating the basis of the new thread. My hands are too full at the moment and your answers need intensive feed back. I hope you bear with with for now.

Thank you.

Reasonable enough. I will leave you to discuss in peace...

...while I wait for you to keep your promises.

Thanks for having me anyway.

@ Reyginus, you want to sort out the issue of who compiled the Bible first.

Tell us exactly who did it.

Tell us when it was done.

Tell us who commanded it to be done.

...And give evidence of what you say.

SIMPLE!

@ Davidylan,

italo: Here comes the 'doctrinal dance' that protestants always use to blur the discussion when their arguments are being torn apart... Jumping from one issue to another.

Your first question on this thread was "what is the spiritual significance of a moldy heart" or something like that.

And I asked the same about Elijah's bones (implying that they both have similar spiritual significance)

Then you said:



Implying that you believed a dead man's bones (or flesh) could communicate God's grace and Spirit but there is no longer use for it ("physical acts of divine power" in the new testament.

Paul used "physical acts of divine power" (aprons and handerchiefs) to heal people. Did this happen in the OT or NT?

Even Jesus used "physical acts of divine power" to heal the man born blind.
John 9:6 "After saying this, he spit on the ground, made some mud with the saliva, and put it on the man’s eyes. 7 “Go,” he told him, “wash in the Pool of Siloam” (this word means “Sent”). So the man went and washed, and came home seeing."

Why did he have to use his SALIVA, MUD and the POOL of SILOAM when he could have just willed it and the man would see?

And did this happen in the OT or in the NT?

Stop trying hard to confuse the issue. Let us get this point clear before we move to the issue of "veneration"?

Were "physical acts of divine power" only to be used in the Old Testament and prohibited in the New testament?

YES or NO?

Are these questions impossible to manouvre and twist around? You can just swallow your pride and answer truthfully, even though it will dismantle your erroneous theology.

The truth will set you free.

davidylan: this is deliberate dishonesty. Obviously they are praying, one just happens to be holding a bible. By that token would you claim they are also worshiping ties and wristwatches?

I thought your definition of WORSHIP is "kneeling and praying before something."

Abi that definition only applies to Catholics?

You are the one being dishonest and biased. If Catholics do it, you call it idol worship, when you di it, you try to justify it.

I used to have far more respect for you and Enigma...but unfortunately...

Missonas: Lol.u neva c wen catapult dey do reverse abi.

GBAM!!!

Reyginus: Firstly, I have to make this clear. The Roman Catholic church did not compile the bible. The 'church' did. They are not the same thing. Let's make this clear before we proceed.

When precisely did this happen? (Please give evidence of your answer)

Who ordered the Church to compile the Bible? (Please give evidence of your answer)

The above questions will help us know if it was the Catholic Church or not...and if you know what you are saying or not.

If the Catholic Church is an abomination, why are you still Catholic, as you claim?

Please answer my questions o, let us get to the root of this matter.

*SEEN AND IGNORED*

Waiting around for the next HUMAN BEING

Boomark: Wherever it has happened before. They are plenty. Italo's own is the worst. I hope he will calculate all of them well.

Day and night, you are calling me and 1.2 billion of my brothers and sisters all sorts of unprintable names.

Idol worshippers, satanists, demonic, pagans, blasphemers etc.

God hasnt condemned us but you have condemned us to hell already.

When we are rejoicing, you try to tarnish it with your insults...

When we are mourning, you give us no respect or reprieve, you add your insults to our injury...

When we say Jesus is our God, you say he is only a man...then later you accuse us of not worshiping the Jesus (who you call 'man')

When the Pope speaks and we are glad we have a new Pope, you try to dampen it by claiming he didnt mention "Jesus"

When we bring video evidence that he did, you switch and say it doesnt matter what the Pope says...he doesnt believe in Jesus.

In the morning, you say Mary is our God... In the afternoon, you say Statues are our God...in the evening, you say rotten flesh is our God.

When we do good, you hide it under a carpet...but when we do bad, you are the first to shout in on a roof top.

And when you hear a false rumour that paints us in bad light, you jump on the bandwagon without caring or wanting to know if it's true or not.

Day and night, you never sleep. All you do is paint us in bad light and wrap us with satan's blanket.

Anywhere you see the word "CATHOLIC" you go there to rain insults on us, not minding the topic of discussion.


NOW YOU COMPLAIN OF BEING INSULTED...

Ubenedictus: actually by now i expected them to have brought a bible passage that says "do no bow b4 d dead". If there is no passage to that effect then what d hell are they arguing about?

Exactly.

There question should be "where does the Bible say: dont bow before the dead?"

If the Bible doesnt say it, then it is "UNBIBLICAL" to say it, abi?!

Reyginus: I) Statues For Worship
The claim to its origin emanated from:
Exodus 25:18-19
Numbers 21:8-9
1kings 6:23-29
This is a mind-control initiative, as well as a disguised form of idol worship.
Oh! Please don't get angry now, this journey is still far.
Our subconscious mind can be quite assimilating. Once it gets even a glimpse of a thing for a repeated time, we begin to lose sustenance in its absence. Where is the illuminati when you need them?
The idea of images, according to us, is in the power of symbolism and hebrews 13:7. Lies.
Let's x-ray the verses up there for precision.
I) Exodus 25:18-19:' make two winged creatures of hammered gold, one for each of the lid'
The point 'we' miss here is that there was an orderer(God) 25vs1. We sideline that important determinant factor. God, the orderer was giving an order which must be obeyed.
In our case, who ordered our church(catholic) to make statues? A man. Who's man to know better the creators choice of worship? Is it biblically correct? No. So, why practise it?
One thing is certain. For our christainity to have control the bible must be without control.
II) Numbers 21:18-19:' then the lord said to moses.......'. I need not say more. The uncaused one was as usual doing his thing.
Their is a difference between God asking man to do a thing, and man thinking God will like a thing. While former gives life in abundant, the later takes from it.
III) 1 Kings 6:23:'two winged creatures were made of olive wood and placed, each one 4.4metres tall'
It seems no orderer is here. So yeah, the catholic church is justified? No. Don't go that way brother.
The temple was built in accordance with the 'taste' of God. He asked and pressed for it. Definitely, he must have given the manual.
We've been living scripts of men whose interest is not for our interest. Unless we rise and succumb, the church will be succumbed.
The advent of statues came with, emperor constantine, merging christainity with the idolators of the time in other to get a central satisfying religion. Though the goal achieved, the effect disastrous.
Broadly, we still stench of idolatory.
If the goal was to make us remember heroes past, we've achieved more. Check our treasure box: mental slavery, partial idolatory and above all, the big slam for atheism.
I will never venerate an image.

Who ordered The Catholic Church to compile books by choosing some and discarding the rest and compiling the Bible in the fourth century?

If it is God, then it is God that also ordered it to make statues.

If it is man, then why do you accept the Bible?

Subtext: Oga Italo, unlike your brother Striktlimi, you tend to indulge in petty rhetorics as arguements, instead of simply applying the word of God. I have no time for that really. Please don't take his personally. It can be injurious to spiritual growth to indulge in such arguements. This so called Jesuit Oath is very glaring in its anti-christlike nature that's why I decided to post it.

There are certain other Christian denominations that I cannot confidently classify as false christian faiths, but Catholicism is not one of them. Let me reiterate that there's no doubt in my mind whatsoever that Catholicism has SINCE metamorphorsed into a cult. No doubt.

For a brief period in my teenage years I used to be a catholic, but God had better plans for me so He found a way to pull me out, and I'm thankful for it. The only thing I can do now is pray for those I know there-in that they may have the scales removed from their eyes. People in false christian faiths are of two kinds: the Saul kind and the others. The Saul kind are those who are genuinely convinced within themselves that they are doing the right thing until they have an 'on-the-road-to-damascus' experience which changes all of that. The 'Others' are those who don't really care about the truth. They just want to stay where they feel comfortable leading the kind of lives they desire. The don't-rock-the-boat kind. I sincerely pray that the almighty God pulls you out of there soon before its too late.


Cheers

Oga Subtext, I only asked you a simple question, which I will repeat. You people like hiding from truth by digressing.

Have you called on God to reveal the truth about Catholicism to you?

Be sincere... If you have...what did God say about us?