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F00028: the Quran does no such thing.

it confirms Jesus' prophethood and his message, "injeel" which is translated as gospel...of Jesus!

The Quran doesn't call it gospel of Jesus. It calls it "The Gospel." No manouvreing please.

F00028: there is nothing about the gospel according to mathew, luke etc. or acts, revelations, for that matter.

Those who follow the Messenger (Mohammed), the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them (7:157 MP).

And when there cometh unto them (Jews) a Scripture (the Qur'an) from Allah, confirming that in their possession (2:89 MP).

What are the "scriptures", "torah" and "gospel" that were "with them" and "in their possesion" at the time of Mohammed, if not the Bible?

Muslims say Jesus is only a prophet. The Quran encourages muslims to believe in the Bible. In the Bible, Jesus says he is much more than a mere prophet. So who is lying? Mohammed or Jesus.

ijawkid: Did u read verse 24 of chapter 15??....

New International Version (©1984)
Then the end will come, when he hands over
the kingdom to"" God the Father"" after he has
destroyed all dominion, authority and power.
.....

Don't act like u didn't see it......

Amen! I believe it. But who is this god the father. According to your method of reasoning, your FATHER is a god, just like billions of oter gods. So your father could be god the father, couldn't he?

Goshen360: If Ijawkid is saying God, god and "a God" are all the same, we can as well use same logic to conclude by saying or using Yahweh, as god.......

I dare him to come and say that that is not what he is saying.

truthislight: Ok, Jacob effort in getting a wife should answer this your elementary question and Jesus attending a wedding is also there.

Are you kidding me?! Jacobs marriages should serve as a blueprint for Christian marriages?! The man married FOUR women. He married TWO SISTERS and their SERVANTS. Perhaps you should ask plappville if she would accept her husband marrying her sister and their maids. Though I'm pretty sure her husband won't want that. If they're as dumb as her, they'll kill him with stupidity. Jacob's marriage looks more like a muslim marriage to me. Moreover, Jacob wasn't a Christian, never married in a church and he never asked for his own parents consent. Or did he?

Jesus attended a wedding, but it wasn't in a Church.

So you are still yet to show me from the Bible where:

A christian funeral ceremony was held.

A christian asked for his parents' consent to marry.

Jesus said we needed to get a divorce certificate.

A marriage was held in a church.

If you cannot find these in the Bible, then you are a PAGAN!

ijawkid: you wanna know the God that is the all and all and also the God of Jesus??

You already know....

He has a name meant exclusively for only Him.......

Read deuteronomy 6:4.....

Listen O isreal and O italo ""Yahweh our GOD is 1 Yahweh""..........

The truth is right in front of you.......

If you are still holding on to thomas' exclamation while neglecting Jesus' own words then na you sabi for yourself.......

John 20:17.......has enough info for you........

The GOD and Father of Jesus is also our GOD and Father...........

Can't you just let this simple truth sink into you??

You still haven't explained what you understand from 1 corinthians 15:24-28.....

Explain what those verses say about everything we've been debating.......

Read that 1 corinthians and make your conclusion.........

I have read 1 Cor 15 and it doesn't make sense because I am using your way of reasoning that says that God, god and 'a God' are all the same and that there are countless gods in heaven and earth including me and you. So which god is Paul talking about? Is it you?

You might want to clarify that.

Is God the everlasting Father?

Zikkyy: @plappville, consider yourself lucky! i decided to tone down my response to your post after reading italo's post above

I was beginning to wonder why if I was the only one who noticed the level of st***dity. It's incredible.

[quote author=Zikkyy]@plappville, consider yourself lucky! i decided to tone down my response to your post after reading italo's post above

I was beginning to wonder why if I was the only one who noticed the level of stupidity. It's incredible.

truthislight: the Law asked for it and christians are law abiding citizens, as such they register their marriage.

This your question are childish.

I find it difficult relating with your reasoning.

So you can answer the question I asked Ijawkid. Good. Why cant you answer the ones I am asking you for the fourth time now?

italo: I know where the Bible says "honour your father and mother" but you have to show me where the Bible says "seek their consent before marriage." Or where any Christian in the Bible sought his/her parents' consent to marry. If you cannot show me, we will take it that you are teaching us a PAGAN way of having marriages.

Please show me where Jesus Christ said "a certificate of divorce should be given on the ground of adultery." If you cannot show me, or where Christians registered their marriages with civil authority, we take is as PAGAN.

And where did the Bible say Christians should marry in Church?

What about funeral ceremonies? Where did the Bible tell Christians to hold religious funeral ceremonies for the dead? Rather the Jesus said "let the dead bury the dead." Do you partake in funerals? If you do, you are a PAGAN, aren't you?

I know why you can't answer them. Because it will give you away as a LIAR and an IGNORAMUS, right?

ijawkid: Because in the context of isaiah Jesus being the everlasting Father is signified by him(Jesus) being the last adam.........

Prove it from the Bible. For now, Jesus is the everlasting father. That is what the Bible says and that is what I know.

ijawkid: Now how can you tell me Yahweh who created everything,including Jesus would not be everlasting??

Oh! So you see how inadequate your method of reasoning is. You who said the everlasting father, the mighty god is not almighty, simply because it wasn't written out in that verse. You should also say the father Paul was talking about was not everlasting because it wasn't written out in that verse.

ijawkid: But it is clear to you that Jesus has a Father.....

Yes. And it is also clear to you that Jesus and the Father are ONE. That he who sees Jesus has seen the father...

ijawkid: The truth is when you read a scripture allow other numerous scriptures explain it....

If not you'll run into conclusions that will contradict every single doctrine you hold on to.....

How numerous the verses I have allowed to explain to you that Jesus is God, but you bring up the most absurd arguments that even a universally acclaimed lunatic like frosbel wouldn't want to have anything to do with them.

Thomas called Jesus "My God!" You said the exclammation mark means that Jesus is not God. Where else in scripture would a devout Jew use the name of God like that?

Rev 22 refers to Jesus as Alpha and Omega. You said you don't know who Rev 22 is talking about. I thought Jehovah's witnesses were supposed to know the Bible more than we Catholics.

Isaiah calls Jesus "Mighty God." You said it is not "Almighty." But it is God. This was after you had lied that "El Gibbor" meant powerful spirit being or some similar bullshit.

Jesus said before Abraham was, I Am. You said "I Am" is not God's name. Even though it was God who called himself by that name.

So you problem is not lack of scripture verses and passages, your problem is your evil agenda.

ijawkid: Please I want u to read 1 corinthians 15:24-28 and tell me what you understand from it........

I would have understood it to mean exactly what it said but since you said that there is no difference between God, god and 'a God', and we are all god, then I can't understand it anymore

Who is the god Paul is talking about? Is it me, you, Adam, Obama, satan, an angel, money or what?

If you say the god Paul is talking about is the "almighty god", where does the passage say that?

Hurray! The dunce is back!

@ Ijawkid,

In the same post, you seem to be saying Jesus is the father and Yahweh is the father.

Who is the Father and who is the Everlasting Father?

How can the Father (who is not everlasting) be the Father of the Everlasting Father?

ijawkid: Hmmm italo wad up bro......

You no wan register your marraige??......

That is giving ceasers things to ceaser.....

Its like asking me if payin of tax is pagan....

You know what christmas is all about....you just want to hear me keep talking.......

Christmas is not giving Gods things to God,it is following the course of paganism which is the Father of xmas....

What about marrying in Church and holding Christian funeral ceremonies? Are they "giving to Caesar" too. If not, where can they be found in the Bible? If they cannot be found in the Bible, they are PAGAN, aren't they? *accordind to your reasoning*

ijawkid: Is ""Almighty"" and ""mighty"" the same thing??

No. So that means the mighty is not the almight abi? Ok, is ordinary "father" and "everlasting father" the same thing? No. So the "father" Paul is talking about is not everlasting abi (going by your quack and dubious method of reasoning). So the mighty god is everlasting but the almighty god is not everlasting abi?

Who then is Yahweh and who is Jesus. Is Yahweh the ordinary father or the everlasting one?

ijawkid: And how many times have we explained what Jesus been called everlasting Father means.....

You have never explained what "everlasting father" means. You call that idiocy 'explanation?' The Bible calls Jesus "everlasting father" and you say it is because he came to replace Adam who fell. Where does the Bible say that, or you just bastardized scripture to suit your heresy?

ijawkid: 1 corinthians says for there are many called GOD(s)...........

Is Jesus not called GOD??

Oh yes he is called........

But which God??.........

The Mighty God! The Everlasting Father! The Alpha and Omega! The Beginning and the End! The First and the Last! The I Am! "My God" - Thomas; "God over all" - Paul.

Now you answer: which god is that?

@ Ijawkid,

You haven't shown me where the Bible says "register you Christian marriage with civil authorities."

Are you still looking for it? Or do we declare it a PAGAN practice?

truthislight: since you are an RCC member and they dont stick to the bible as their authority i think it becomes a different ball game to expect you to take the bible as a guide.

But for those that respect and accept the bible as God's word it is very obvious.

We Catholics know that the Bible is the word of God. That is why we canonized it and gave it to the world. What we don't accept is what YOU say about the Bible.

You say that anything that is not in the Bible is PAGAN. We disagree. Then we ask you to show us where some of YOUR own practices are found in the Bible, but you can't show us. So should we agree that YOU are also PAGAN? Or is it only when Catholics do something that is not in the Bible that we can use the word "PAGAN?"

Let me ask my questions again so that you can prove the Catholics wrong.

italo: I know where the Bible says "honour your father and mother" but you have to show me where the Bible says "seek their consent before marriage." Or where any Christian in the Bible sought his/her parents' consent to marry. If you cannot show me, we will take it that you are teaching us a PAGAN way of having marriages.



Please show me where Jesus Christ said "a certificate of divorce should be given on the ground of adultery." If you cannot show me, or where Christians registered their marriages with civil authority, we take is as PAGAN.

And where did the Bible say Christians should marry in Church?

What about funeral ceremonies? Where did the Bible tell Christians to hold religious funeral ceremonies for the dead? Rather the Jesus said "let the dead bury the dead." Do you partake in funerals? If you do, you are a PAGAN, aren't you?

ijawkid: Jejune you.......

Who told you there we're capital letters when the hebrew texts and greek were written....

So what you are saying is that there is no distinction between God, god and "a God." Okay. Permit me then to use 'god' (with a small 'g') henceforth in this dialogue.

ijawkid: Jesus is among those who are called God(s) but ofcus as you have read from 1 corinthians that to ""us""(it seems u aint part of that US) there is but 1 GOD,the FATHer....

So in your opinion, Paul is saying god THE FATHER is the almighty god, and Isaiah is saying god the son is the "everlasting FATHER" and "the mighty god (Is. 9:6)."

You are saying the 'mighty' god is not the 'almighty' god. So the 'father' is not the 'everlasting father.' So the mighty god is not 'almighty' and the father is not everlasting.

Who is who, Ijawkid?

Firstly, I am done with this argument since you have already agreed that Jesus is God.

The only other thing I will do is to play the music for you to do your circular dance and logical acrobatics for our entertainment.

ijawkid: Let me expose your childishness once more.....

In effect you are saying apostle paul and the writer of deuteronomy was a polytheist....

Let's read 1 corinthians 8:5,6

English Standard Version (ESV)
5 For although there may be so-called gods in
heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many
[“gods]” and many[] [“lords”]— 6 yet for us there is
{one God}, the Father, from whom are all things
and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus
Christ, through whom are all things and through
whom we exist.


From that verse it appears there are many Gods both in heaven and on earth..uncounctables of Gods.....

But paul clearly told his fellow Jews who weren't pagans like trinitarians that ""but to Us"" there is but one God,the Father.....

Paul associates oneness of God to the Father alone ,not to some other 2 persons who trinitarians claim are part of a triune manifold......


I don't know what can be wrong with y'all.....

God is 1 and he is 1 Yahweh.....

Let me quote verse 5 again....

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
For though there be those [called gods],
whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be
gods many, and lords many,)


Jesus is called God.....

Angels are called Gods....

Italo was pronounced and called God by Yahweh himself.....

But to ""US"" there is but one God,The Father....

That verse didn't say but to ""us"" there is but 1 God comprising of the Father,son,and holy ghost......(Trinity delusion)

..........

If you can't understand 1 corinthians 8:5,6 then you are finished so also your entourage....

What is the difference between "God" (as it is used in the Bible), "god" (as it is used in the Bible) and "A God" (which I have never seen in the Bible, you formulated that).

And which of the three is Jesus Christ. God, god or "A God?"

Where did the Bible ever refer to Angels as "Gods" (with a capital 'G')?

One sentence? I will only use one word - FRAUD!

Trinitarians say that The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit are ONE God.

So-called Unitarians say that The Son is "a God" (The Mighty God); and The Father is another God (The Almighty God). That makes 2 Gods. Then they turn around and say The Lord is ONE. *Hello, but you say there are 2 Gods - The Mighty God and The Almighty God*.

On seeing their inconsistency, they shamelessly accuse Trinitarians of believing in 3 Gods - even though Trinitarians say There are three persons in ONE GOD. They do this just to throw up confusion.

@ Ijawkid, I am expecting your answers too. (That is if you CAN give me answers)

italo: We know Jesus attended a wedding but you haven't shown me where the Bible says "register your Christian marriage according to the law of Caesar" isnt that a pagan activity then?



We are not talking about "modest wedding" but "christian wedding." I might go and conduct a wedding where people don't get drunk and engage in revelry but you'd still say it's pagan. You say your not a marriage advisor but you know how to criticize other people.



But most of what you are telling me cannot be found in the Bible so you are also engaged in this PAGANISM.

truthislight: how do you understand the saying "give caeser's things to caeser"?

The Bible does not explain what it means, so we should take it that trying to explain it would be PAGANISM, shouldn't we? Except you want to show me where the Bible explains it, can you?

italo: I know where the Bible says "honour your father and mother" but you have to show me where the Bible says "seek their consent before marriage." Or where any Christian in the Bible sought his/her parents' consent to marry. If you cannot show me, we will take it that you are teaching us a PAGAN way of having marriages.



Please show me where Jesus Christ said "a certificate of divorce should be given on the ground of adultery." If you cannot show me, or where Christians registered their marriages with civil authority, we take is as PAGAN.

And where did the Bible say Christians should marry in Church?

What about funeral ceremonies? Where did the Bible tell Christians to hold religious funeral ceremonies for the dead? Rather the Jesus said "let the dead bury the dead." Do you partake in funerals? If you do, you are a PAGAN, aren't you?

I am still expecting your answers.

@ Frosbel and Ijawkid,

Do you say it was not Jesus that was being referred to as Alpha and Omega in this passage?

John and the Angel

6 The angel said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God who inspires the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place.”

7 “LOOK, I AM COMING SOON! Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy written in this scroll.”

8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. 9 But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”

10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near. 11 Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy.”

12 “LOOK, I AM COMING SOON! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

16 “I, JESUS, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.

18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

20 He who testifies to these things says, “YES, I AM COMING SOON.”

Amen. COME, LORD JESUS.

21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God’s people. Amen.

After reading that passage and paying attention to the capitalized words, do you insist that it wasn't Jesus that was the Alpha and Omega. It wasn't Jesus that was "COMING SOON?"

truthislight: 2corinth 4:4 satan =god, is a lie?

so, from this we should disregard the bible and stick to your shallow idears?

*sigh*

west of my time.

Yes, satan is the god of this world.

Now I ask you. Is Jesus God or 'a god?'

ijawkid: There you go with the 3 god worship....

Why didn't you add mary to it??

To make it 4......

Read 1 corinthians 8:4-6 and think for a second......

And also john 17:3....if that will help you....

There is no need clutching at straws. This thread is about who Jesus is, but because you know you are wrong, you are try to derail the topic. You have tried to turn it into a Trinity affair several times, you have tried to bring in your insults to the Catholic Church, you have now tried to use Mary to derail the topic. You should be ashamed.

I have told you that there is ONE God. It is you who says Jesus is "a God" which would mean that there are more than one Gods - which is impossible.

So tell us: is Jesus God or 'a god?'

You tell me what an IDOL is. Afterall, you are the one who goes around accusing people of IDOL worship. You should know better than me.

Going by your method of reasoning, the Ark was an IDOL because people were worshipping it.

ijawkid: What is an idol??..........

Define an idol.....

For the fact Yahweh instructed the isrealites to make the ark shows it isn't an idol.....Yahweh gave them the instruction.....

Besides when I wake I'll explain more on this ark issue....so that you'll see how far off It is from the mary worship that is prevalent today.....

ijawkid: When I say I accept Jesus is a God,you should ask me in what sense??

I don't need to ask you what "a God" means. God is one; and "a God" means that God is more than one. You cannot hold those two positions. It is either God is ONE or Gods are more than one. If you have any other tricks, lies, forgery or manipulation that you can use to get out of this one you better come up with it so that people here will not think you are insane o.

Is Jesus God or 'a god?'

ijawkid: Is he Yahweh??

Is he the almighty??

Ok which is the one anÐ only God we are to worship??

Yahweh or Jesus??

Ít is obvious that the Father is a totally different being from the son and also greater than the son........

Who should we worship??

This whole katakata boils down to worship.....

Who should be our God??

We must @ the end of the day worship that one God that is the cause of everything and whom abraham,isaac and Jacob worshipped...

We must @ the end of the day worship the God who raised Jesus from death and exalted Jesus......


That's why I quoted john 17:3 and also john 20:17.......

Those 2 scriptures are enough to solve this so called enigma ""TRINITY""

Yahweh (the Father), Jesus (the Son) and the Holy Spirit are ONE and the same Almighty God who we should worship.

truthislight: 1. the bible says honour your father and mother, so you seek their consent befor marriage.

I know where the Bible says "honour your father and mother" but you have to show me where the Bible says "seek their consent before marriage." Or where any Christian in the Bible sought his/her parents' consent to marry. If you cannot show me, we will take it that you are teaching us a PAGAN way of having marriages.

truthislight: 2. The bible says give caeser's things to caeser and God's things to God.

3. The Bible says christians should respect the superior authorities and the authority ask that marriages should be registered and it is not in conflict with God's law since christ says a certificate of divorce should be given on the ground of Adultery.

So, christians register their marriages.

Please show me where Jesus Christ said "a certificate of divorce should be given on the ground of adultery." If you cannot show me, or where Christians registered their marriages with civil authority, we take is as PAGAN.

And where did the Bible say Christians should marry in Church?

What about funeral ceremonies? Where did the Bible tell Christians to hold religious funeral ceremonies for the dead? Rather the Jesus said "let the dead bury the dead." Do you partake in funerals? If you do, you are a PAGAN, aren't you?

ijawkid: Registration of the marraige according to the law of ceaser which ofcus you knw Jesus won't frown @ is the best way.....then a lil reception....we all knw Jesus attended a wedding......

We know Jesus attended a wedding but you haven't shown me where the Bible says "register your Christian marriage according to the law of Caesar" isnt that a pagan activity then?

ijawkid: Make sure people don't get drunk @ the reception and that revelry doesn't take place.....


I think you should knw how a modest wedding should be arranged.....

Italo I know be marraige advisor o.....

We are not talking about "modest wedding" but "christian wedding." I might go and conduct a wedding where people don't get drunk and engage in revelry but you'd still say it's pagan. You say your not a marriage advisor but you know how to criticize other people.

ijawkid: Just be observant and do not be fashioned after the world in all we do....

But let us be sure that we flee from paganism.....we should stop touching the unclean thing.....

But most of what you are telling me cannot be found in the Bible so you are also engaged in this PAGANISM.

And who gave instruction for non-Catholics to worship their pastors?

ijawkid: No be for shursh u go marry and then obey ceaser by registering you marraige??

Shikena....

Then u fit do small reception make people come enjoy with u....

Italo e be like you wan turn me to wedding advicer and planner....:-)....

Where did the Bible say you should marry in Church?

Where did the Bible say register your marriage?

So God gave instructions to Israel to worship IDOLS? Why?