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Thank God for him and his loved ones. They've been through so much trouble.

"I CANNOT!" Very inspirational.

How can we go back after encountering Jesus: the way, the truth and the life?

Exactly what I expected. Another meaningless, hate-filled rant.

Any more?

plappville: “The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the QUEEN OF HEAVEN...that they may provoke me to anger” —Jeremiah 7:18

In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

Dear Mother, pls pray for this your daughter Plappville. That she may see the things that we see and know what we know, especially about you. Help her to allign herself back to your son's church and through it, come to understand his word in its fullness. Dear Jesus, please have mercy on all the who show denigration for Yourself and your Mother out of ignorance and hard-heartedness. Soften their hearts and illuminate their minds to understand who you are and the relationship between yourself and your mother.

Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

frosbel: Scripture, the BIBLE.

"The BIBLE?"

But the same "BIBLE" says the pillar and foundation of the truth is the CHURCH. (1Tim 3:15)

Who should I believe now, Frosbel or the Bible?

*now, start twisting the truth; start your usual logical gymnastics*

Dear Mother, your children rejoice with you on this day. Thanks for all the intercessions you have made and keep making for us. Pray for us to remain faithful to your son, our Lord, and His Church, so that we may see face to face and rejoice with you and him. Amen.

In addition to the holy mass, one of my favourite devotions is visiting the blessed sacrament daily...and when I do I usually do a meditation that is found in The Simple Prayer Book. The title of this meditation is "A Quarter of an hour before the Blessed Sacrament" and it is found somewhere around page 36,37 or 38. Its amazing how it never fails me.

All I see is uninformed, hate-filled rants.

@ OP, perhaps you should see these rants as another reson not to leave the church.

Remember what they said to Jesus, the head of the Church. They said he was a blasphemer. They said he healed with the help of demons etc.

And Jesus said: "if they persecute me, they will persecute you."

Read these with a smile, sip a coke, be happy you're Catholic and go to mass tomorrow.

@ Enigma, I'm sorry that I sound rude. It's always very tempting to take things personal when one thinks the other person is not being straight forward in an argument, so I think its usually best to quit to avoid that. Perhaps, I wasn't very prudent in choosing my words, but I hope you see the intention.

Question 1:

What is the pillar and foundation of truth?

@chukwudi44,

Perhaps you should save yourself the stress...until Enigma has something new and relevant to say. For now, it seems he has no option than to be beating around the bush by regurgitating irrelevant and already answered questions.

Here on nairaland, that is their way of saying, "I was wrong."

What matters is not whether it was called Daddy, Pastor, G.O, Father, Elder or Pope. What matters is the office Peter held. Just like any name or change of name - The Church, The way, The Catholic Church, Roman Catholic Church or whatever else it might be called in future doesn't change the fact that it is, and has always been God's one true church.

ijawkid: So from ur understanding we can say...

1....Yahweh(the Father) who Jesus was with is 1 GOD....

2...Jesus(the figurative word) is also another GOD...

Wrong! If it was so, John 1 would have said "in the beginning was the word, and the word was with A god, and the word was A god." Rather, it says "in the beginning was the word, was with God, and the word was God."

Sometimes you should drop your Bible and read a grammar text book.

ijawkid: That makes 2 GODs...right??

Wrong! Two persons, one God.

ijawkid: How many GODs §huld we serve??

Because john 1;1 is indeed speaking of 2 personage....

Father and son....right??

There is nothing trinity about john 1:1....

There is 'something' trinity there. The verse talks about two of the three persons of the Trinity and how the are two persons but one God. There are other verses that talk about all three persons.

And where is the holy spirit in john 1:1??

Where was he??[/quote]Forgive me, but dumb question. Why don't you tell us where the Holy Spirit was.

ijawkid: Is "" I AM THAT I AM"" the same with ""I AM""

Let me school u on this.......

""I AM THAT I AM"" which also means "" I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE"" is what best,and closely explains the meaning of the tetragrammaton(YHWH)....

Try putting I am that I am in Jesus's statement....

""Before abraham was I am that I am""

Or

"" Before abraham was I will be what I will be""

Does it make sense??

Or what if Jesus said ""before abraham was I WILL BE"".....
How does that sound??

""I am "" is nobodies name mr.......

Teacher! What you are saying is in contradiction to God's word.

Exodus 3:13 Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?”

14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am.[c] This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

Did you see that? "I AM is God's name, according to God. But according to you, "I AM is nobody's name.

I choose to believe God, not you.

ijawkid: The pharisees were actually wondering how Jesus could know so much about abraham when he was just in his 30's.....

..And Jesus made them know he had existed as a spirit being in heaven b4 coming to the earth.....

Before abraham was "" I AM"" proves Jesus's pre-existence in heaven b4 coming to the earth,not that he is Yahweh........

Question: Jesus had said many things to show his pre-existence in heaven during the long dialogue he had with the Jews in John 8, but they didn't try to stone him. Why is when he said "...I AM" that did they picked up stones to stone him?

Answer: The Jews knew that "I AM" is God's name and they tried to stone him for blasphemy.

Question 2: John 18:6 says "When Jesus said, “I AM he,” they drew back and fell to the ground." Why did they draw back and fall to the ground?


Literally, the verse says I AM, as the "he" is not in the Greek, which says EGO EMI (I AM). In Jn. 8:58 the learned Jews understood what Jesus was claiming, but being blind to who He really was, "Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by." (v. 59)."Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour." Isa 45:15.

ijawkid: If with all what frosbel has written to show u Jesus isnt Yahweh then I still don't knw what can help.....

How can ""I AM"" since that's d new meaning or an equivalent of Yahweh came to d earth and didn't know when the world would end,but rather said only 1 person(of which he isn't that person) knows d day and hour,??

Would Jesus not be suffering from multiple personality disorder to not know when the world would end if he is Yahweh??

I don't know why you think that a person cannot be two things at the same time. Jesus was God; but also the Son of God. If the mystery is too hard for you to believe, then you wouldn't believe these either: Jesus was divine but also human. Jesus is the Son of God, but also the Son of Man, the Son of Mary.

ijawkid: Besides u haven't answered frosbels question if Yahweh can die??

Can Yahweh die??
If YES then Yahweh isn't GOD almighty...

If NO,then Jesus isn't Yahweh....

Chikena!!!!!!!........

It depends on what you mean by death. If it is the kind of death that Adam and Eve died after eating the forbidden fruit, Yahweh cannot die. But if it is the death that Yahweh who came to earth in human flesh suffered, Yes.

Afterall, Jesus said he who eats his flesh and drinks his blood shall never die. It means that Jesus himself never died, in a sense.

So what kind of death are you talking about?

ijawkid: Let the I AM expression not decieve u my bro......

We use that expression everyday,...that doesn't make us Yahweh does it??

The fact that we use it everyday doesn't have any effect on whether or not it is God's name. What makes it God's name is that God said so, period! People use "God" as an exclamation, does that take away its meaning? No!

Omo Alata: We're done guessing. Just tell us or forever hold your peace

I don't want to tell. At least not now. If you're so curious, ask Myjoe. He seems to me to be the only one among you that knows the identity of God's one true church.

2864: Which church is that ?

Take a guess.

MyJoe: ^^^ No, you don't sound truthful. You want to play word games about MENTION and all that. I don't want to play. At least, not now. Not sure I met you before, but whatever was driving you, I hope you have let it out and will thus find some peace.

The OP wanted advice on which Church to attend and I tried to advise. You, on the other hand, never did anything of the sort, yet you say I am the one who wants to play games. From your last post it seems evident that you don't have anything relevant to add to this thread... If u must continue, why don't open another thread to discuss italo or go watch the paralympics.

MyJoe: ^^^ You did not mention the Catholic Church but I knew what you meant and asked you a question based on that.

How could you KNOW what I meant? Couldn't I have been talking about any other church?..like Christ Embassy, RCCG, Lord's Chosen, Household of God, House on the Rock, Celestial Church of Christ, Cherubim and Seraphim, Living Faith, Miracle Ministries, Emeka and Sons Church, Synagogue, MYJOE MIND-READERS CHURCH or any of the other tens of thousands of Churches around the world...

Or could there be no one among them that was founded by Christ and maintains his doctrine as is passed down from the apostles?

Why do you associate only the Catholic Church with that description?

Is there something you know that you are not telling?

MyJoe: You don't sound very much like an adult, though.

As long as I sound truthful... Thank you.

And if you use the writings of Paul, Mark and Luke, who were not among the 12, why don't you use the gospel of Barnabas?

And mind you, if you use the writings of Paul, Mark and Luke, who were not among the 12, why don't you use the gospel of Barnabas.

truthislight: YOU MISS THE POINT.

OT was already in existance/completed and with the jews befor christ and his apostles walked the earth.

christianity started with JESUS CHRIST AND TO HIS APOSTLES IN 1CE.

The NT is an exclussive of the apostles of christ QED.

and this was not difficult to know/identified their writings cus they were around to verify them.

So how do you know that the books of "Mark" and "Luke" were written by Mark and Luke, since the names of the authors are nowhere mentioned in those gospels?

Answer: the Catholic Church told you so.

MyJoe: Ah. So you didn't mean the Catholic Church? Ok.

So how do we identify this "one that was founded by Jesus Christ with Peter as its head"?

I said "I didn't MENTION the Catholic Church" but you have distorted it to say "I didn't MEAN the Catholic Church."

If an adult - as I suppose you are - cannot tell the difference between "MENTION" and "MEAN," then no wonder all you like-minded people keep wandering from pillar to post like sheep without shepherd.

I have given you all the description I think is necessary as follows:

italo: The only church there is. The one that was founded by Jesus Christ with Peter as its head. The church that has maintained the doctrine and tradition as passed down from the apostles through an unbroken line of apostolic succession to the present day.

There is only one church founded by Jesus Christ. All those other shops are just businesses founded by men.

...And your subsequent comment suggests that you have identified that as the Catholic Church.

I don't see the need for further questions from you.

But, a word of advice: if a literate person can't tell the difference between "MENTION" and "MEAN," I think what that person needs is not to spend time arguing on nairaland. That person should visit an optician, buy a dictionary or have a brain transplant.

italo: So who are the "US?"

Whose name is "I AM?"

Who said "before Abraham was, I AM?"

*fingers crossed*

frosbel: False doctrine is what stands between our salvation or perdition.

To suggest that we sweep the dirt under the carpet is a subtle way of asking us to shut up and let this confusion continue.

I say Nay !!

Ask your Pope to start another inquisition , they have killed millions in the past, must be second nature to them by now .

*Somebody's trying so hard to avoid the topic of discussion. Somebody's trying to run away from the questions put to him because they'll expose his lies. Somebody's doing the "DOCTRINAL DANCE"*

Typical protestant.

Typical Frosbel.

Typical hypocrite.

MyJoe: Interesting. But what evidence - Biblical and otherwise - is there that Peter was ever the head of the Roman Catholic Church?

If you look at my post again, you'll see that I didn't mention the Catholic Church, its you who thinks that my description of the Church founded by Christ fits the Catholic Church. So I shouldn't be the one proving anything to you, it should be the other way round.

So who are the "US?"

Whose name is "I AM?"

Who said "before Abraham was, I AM?"

frosbel: There was an old saying , the catholic church 'canonised' the bible in Latin, contradicted it, disobeyed it, refused to have it translated from Latin into any other Language, prevented the masses from seeing it or owning a copy , hunted down those that dared to take them on, killed some, burnt not a few and tortured countless numbers.

Anyway the bible was eventually translated into many languages and so the catholic church was exposed , lost it's grip on the massses, the rest is history.

How about answering the simple questions put to you, liar?

truthislight: YOU CAN BELIEVE WHATEVER YOU LIKE, IT IS A FREE WORLD.
PEACE

Typical protestant.

You lie, you get disproved, you find an easy and lame excuse to flee.

So it has suddenly become a free world. When you started ranting on what you don't know, it wasn't a free world then, abi?

2864: Which Church will you advice a new convert to attend ? Celestial Church, Cherubim and Seraphim ? Christ Embassy ?...The Redeemed , Mountain Of Fire ? ..... AND WHY ?

The only church there is. The one that was founded by Jesus Christ with Peter as its head. The church that has maintained the doctrine and tradition as passed down from the apostles through an unbroken line of apostolic succession to the present day.

There is only one church founded by Jesus Christ. All those other shops are just businesses founded by men.

italo: Two questions to those who say Jesus is not God.

Whose name is 'I AM?'

Who said "before Abraham was, I AM?"

As usual, the hypocrites tactically refuse to answer my questions.

frosbel: Actually no, and God forbid it be so.

I have many brethren here with like minds.

I simply want to follow CHRIST and him alone , the bible is my only reference book for the corroboration of TRUTH.

"For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified." - 1 Corinthians 2:2

Your fallible interpretation of the Bible is your only reference for the corroboration of truth.

Two questions to those who say Jesus is not God.

Whose name is 'I AM?'

Who said "before Abraham was, I AM?"

MacDaddy01: Frosbel and Truthislight can not answer the questions because they would expose thier lies against the catholic church. The catholic church might be brutal and oppressive but they cnonized the bible.


It is a sin to lie according to the bible, Frosbel. Tell the truth

Tell the truth? That liar!

The next he'll do will be to run away and open another thread of lies.