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 Christianity Etc › Re: He Was In The World, And The World Knew Him Not by italo: 6:54pm On Apr 24, 2012 |
It seems to contradict the Bible's account of creation but it doesn't necessarily do so... And it definitely doesn't contradict Catholic teaching. The Church teaches that the world and all things which are contained in it, both spiritual and material, as regards their whole substance, have been produced by God from nothing. It doesn't have an official position on whether the stars, nebulae, planets we see today and the various life forms developed over the course of time. However, it says that, if they did develop, then they did so under the impetus and guidance of God, and their ultimate creation must be ascribed to him. It does, however, allow for the possibility that man’s body developed from previous biological forms, under God’s guidance, but it insists on the special creation of his soul. So whether the human body was specially created or developed, we are taught that the human soul is specially created; it did not evolve, and it is not inherited from our parents, as our bodies are. So the Church permits belief in either special creation or developmental creation on certain questions. Have you considered that what you deduce from the Bible's creation story might not be exactly what the author tried to convey?.. That the writing style of the ancient author might not exactly be in tune with the rules of grammar of today? Evolution theory is not conclusive, and most likely, not totally correct. And even if it were, there's nothing in it that is contrary to Catholic teaching. Catholicism has no shaky foundation, though your understanding of it might be very "shaky". |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Which Church? by italo: 2:19pm On Apr 24, 2012 |
The truth! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: He Was In The World, And The World Knew Him Not by italo: 2:13pm On Apr 24, 2012 |
I think there is at least some truth to it. Because of the evidence behind it: both the ones put forward by scientists and the ones I have observed on my own. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can Christians Lose Their Salvation? by italo: 1:10pm On Apr 24, 2012 |
5solas: St. Paul was so uncertain about his salvation , that he wrote the verses below , to make his hearers certain of theirs.Amen! I believe the passage. I just don't accept your personal fallible interpretation of it. The reason that nothing could separate them from God's love is that they lived in the spirit. And why does the spirit give life? You will find your answer in verse 10 of the same chapter. Romans 8:10: But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life[d] because of righteousness. Because of RIGHTEOUSNESS! That's why we have the spirit, that's why nothing can separate us from God's love. Verse 13 says: For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live. What if you don't make use of the spirit to put to death the misdeeds of the body? What happens? You will die! (God's love will be separated from you) Verse 17 says: Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. What happens if you don't share in his sufferings? You do not share in his glory. You are not an heir of God. (Gods love will be separated from you) Verses 23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently. Why are they hoping for the redemption of their bodies? Who hopes for what they already have, says St. Paul (St Paul hoped for Salvation, so did he already have it?) |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can Christians Lose Their Salvation? by italo: 6:39am On Apr 24, 2012 |
italo: If salvation can't be lost, why was Paul worried about being disqualified? Even though he was "saved" at the time he was writing scripture. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: He Was In The World, And The World Knew Him Not by italo: 6:13am On Apr 24, 2012 |
Logic Mind: Thanks for your honesty.Jesus and God are not the 'first gods I knew'. They are one and the same God. The supreme being. The only true God there is. I heard about other false gods and other religions from various sources pretty early in life though: Islam from neighbours and school; Hinduism and Bhuddism from movies; sango, ogun etc from movies and neighbours. Even within Chistianity, I heard about many shops that call themselves "Churches". But of course, a child tends to believe what family believes, so those other ones stood practically no chance of making a lasting impression on me. Logic Mind: If I'm right, would you agree with me that if you were born into an islamic home, that today you would be a muslim?I would have most likely been a Muslim for a while at least, but I don't think I'd still be a muslim till today. I'm very inquisitive and cannot cope with hypocrisy so I think I would have realized the falsehood in Islam, and once I did, I'd be off. One must not just believe, we must come to the realization of the truth or falsehood of our belief...or lack of it. You probably were born into a family where they believed in God or gods, but now you believe you have come to the realization that there is no God. My story's similar. Only, I came to the realization that what I had been taught was true. That there is one true God who came to earth and lived among men. That the Catholic Church is the one Church Jesus founded; the body of Christ and it possesses the fullness of truth. Doubt is not bad in itself. It is capable of leading you to the Truth. Thomas, and infact all the apostles doubted Jesus at one point or the other...yet look how it turned out. They doubted with an open mind and humility. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: He Was In The World, And The World Knew Him Not by italo: 9:09pm On Apr 23, 2012 |
@ Logic Mind, I can't even remember when. Its like asking me when I first knew my name. As early as I became aware of my being, I was hearing about God and Jesus Christ. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: He Was In The World, And The World Knew Him Not by italo: 5:20pm On Apr 23, 2012 |
Logic Mind: No. That is why I put everything to test, including my "unbelief" as you call it.I usually don't like arguing with Atheists because there's very little we agree on, and they are full of insults for God, who I worship. But let's see how this goes, since you keep using the words "rationally" and "reasonably". |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Please I Want To Know The Relevance Of Virgin Mary In Christendom by italo: 5:03pm On Apr 23, 2012 |
[quote author=i.chuka]If Jesus had ascended long before the book was written.how can the woman be Mary?[/quote]The same book of Revelation says that "the lamb was slain since the beginning of the world" How then, was he born many centuries later? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Biblical Mary Is Not A Roman Catholic by italo: 4:54pm On Apr 23, 2012 |
@ Ijawkid According to your own translation, Who is YAHWEH? Who is 'I AM'? Who said "before Abraham was, I AM"? According to your translation. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: He Was In The World, And The World Knew Him Not by italo: 4:45pm On Apr 23, 2012 |
Logic Mind: are you sure of your belief?YES! are you sure of your UNbelief? like rationally and reasonably sure. not just pretending and repeating what you have been told by someone else. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: He Was In The World, And The World Knew Him Not by italo: 4:42pm On Apr 23, 2012 |
[quote author=Joel.]First what do u understand about the word 'I AM'? I am is a phrase of one who is full of Himself. Somebody who can do whatever he want to do. Don't you knw gods (idol) also use the word ''i am'' i am is not a name dear.[/quote]So because other deities are referred to by the name "god", does that men that the one true God is not "God". The fact that your false god calls itself "I am" doesn't mean the one true God is not "I AM". And did you say "I AM" is not a name? Exodus 3:13 Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his NAME?’ Then what shall I tell them?” 14 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.[c] This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” Argue with God then... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Biblical Mary Is Not A Roman Catholic by italo: 4:32pm On Apr 23, 2012 |
@ chinedumo, Do not let anti-Catholicism destroy your soul. Please. So what you are saying is that Jesus left his divinity in heaven. The Jesus who was on earth was not God, he was a mere man. So when Thomas said "my Lord and my God," he was blaspheming? Matt 2:11 On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. So the three wise men were committing idolatry? All this madness, just to discredit The Catholic Church and our Mother, Mary. You will have your reward! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: He Was In The World, And The World Knew Him Not by italo: 4:02pm On Apr 23, 2012 |
Logic Mind: you speak as one with authority.The authority is by virtue of being a part of Christ's one true Church, which 1 Tim 3:15 says is the "pillar and foundation of truth". I'm sorry if it scandalizes anyone. I know its hard for those who don't believe to accept, but its even harder for we who know to keep it to ourselves. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: He Was In The World, And The World Knew Him Not by italo: 3:13pm On Apr 23, 2012 |
ijawkid: @italo....like I said I can as well call u Jesus....because ur d same with him,.....So who said "before Abraham was, I AM?" And who is 'I AM?' Who did Thomas call "my Lord and my God?" "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was ___". Fill in the blank space. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Please I Want To Know The Relevance Of Virgin Mary In Christendom by italo: 3:07pm On Apr 23, 2012 |
Convinced that the woman who was pregnant with Jesus and gave birth to him is not Mary? I am not crazy. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Biblical Mary Is Not A Roman Catholic by italo: 2:45pm On Apr 23, 2012 |
ijawkid: @itelo.....is I AM someones nameExodus 3: 13 Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?” 14 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” 15 God also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ “This is my name forever, the name you shall call me from generation to generation. Dear friend, So, you tell me now. Who is YAHWEH? Who is I AM? Who said "before Abraham was, I AM?" By now, you should be able to answer your questions and mine? If pride will let you... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: He Was In The World, And The World Knew Him Not by italo: 1:44pm On Apr 23, 2012 |
Who said "before Abraham was, I AM?" And who is 'I AM?' The answers you seek are somewhere in there. There's only ONE FAITH, ONE TRUTH, ONE DOCTRINE,ONE BODY. FIND IT for the good of your souls. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: He Was In The World, And The World Knew Him Not by italo: 9:47am On Apr 23, 2012 |
See confusion! When will you people come home to the one true Church and into the fullness of truth? See so-called Christians like sheep without shepherd saying entirely different things on such a delicate and important issue. You claim to worship God, a God you don't even know. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Fallacy Of "Free Will" by italo: 9:40am On Apr 23, 2012 |
As for me, I have free will. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Which Church? by italo: 9:37am On Apr 23, 2012 |
Be Catholic! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: If A Pastor That Turns Water Into Wine Or Walks On Water by italo: 9:10am On Apr 23, 2012 |
I don't mean to support Joe here, I'm even opposed to his teaching, but you don't necessarily perform a miracle because mockers are testing you. You pray for it in times of real need and if God grants it, fine. Jesus didn't come down from the cross when his mockers challenged him to do so, did he? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Biblical Mary Is Not A Roman Catholic by italo: 8:51am On Apr 23, 2012 |
@ ijawkid, Who said "before Abraham was, I AM"? And who is 'I AM'? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Please I Want To Know The Relevance Of Virgin Mary In Christendom by italo: 8:46am On Apr 23, 2012 |
Rev 12:5: She gave birth to a SON, a MALE CHILD (singular), who "will rule all the nations with an iron scepter". Then read Rev 19:15 to see who rules with an "iron scepter", come back and tell us if it is your "overcomers". I should start to charge you for grammar class o. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can Christians Lose Their Salvation? by italo: 8:33am On Apr 23, 2012 |
If salvation can't be lost, why was Paul worried about being disqualified? Even though he was "saved" at the time he was writing scripture. Why did he always "HOPE" for salvation? How can you be certain, when St. Paul wasn't? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can Christians Lose Their Salvation? by italo: 8:29am On Apr 23, 2012 |
bigd4050: Answering a question with a question. Nice one. There is a difference between our earthly bodies and our soul. Our bodies will fade back to dust whether we live righteously or carnally, so I'm not sure where you are going with that.How do you lose your soul, if you've done nothing to earn it? We have succeeded in showing you that you can lose something that you did nothing to earn, period. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Have You Been Born Again Yet? You Will Never See Heaven Without The New Birth! by italo: 8:06am On Apr 22, 2012 |
[quote author=i.chuka]The "Water" in that verse meant "Burial" that is we(Christains) are buried we Christ. Someone had to die before his/her burial ceremony is done. The Water Baptism is our burial ceremony,announcing to the world that we are dead to it,and now live by the leadings of the Holy Spirit.[/quote]You! Let me save my breath and leave you to your obvious delusion, for now. You who said "Mary is not the Mother of Jesus" |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can Christians Lose Their Salvation? by italo: 7:58am On Apr 22, 2012 |
bigd4050: Because Paul doesn't know for sure who is saved and who isn't. It is only shown by endurance in the faith. Therefore, those who do not endure, never were saved. It's not that they were saved and then lost their salvation, its that they were never saved to begin with. You assuming they had salvation when they did not. You don't know who is saved and who isn't. People can be accepted back into fellowship if they turn from their sins. We don't know who is saved or not, we just know that those who endure and serve God their whole life are the ones who are truly saved. There is no beating around the bush going on here, your getting angry because your not convincing me. Leave your emotions out of this.Firstly, you must know that I'm not getting angry and I'm not trying to convince you. But I cannot leave my emotions out of this because you haven't left yours out of it. If you had, you would have understood these verses which are not mine but that of the Holy Spirit. He is the one trying to convince you, not me. So if you're not convinced, well... Secondly, the passage does not suggest that Paul does not know who was saved and who wasn't. That is what you decided in your head. St. Paul said (Romans 11: 17,18): 17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. He knew they were saved! Would they "share in the nourishing sap from the olive root" if they weren't? Thirdly, was St. Paul saved when he was writing scripture? I'm sure your answer I yes. Then read what he wrote: 1 Cor 9:24-27: 24 Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. 25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. 26 Therefore I do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air. 27 No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize. Did you see that? St. Paul says that all the runners compete, but only one wins the prize. Paul recognizes that if he doesn’t train himself properly in perseverance, he too can become “disqualified.” This proves that St Paul thought he could lose his salvation. You cant argue that Paul wasn’t “saved” when he wrote the Scriptures. So if St. Paul thought that he could lose his salvation, why do you people think that you cannot lose yours? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Have You Been Born Again Yet? You Will Never See Heaven Without The New Birth! by italo: 7:07am On Apr 22, 2012 |
I read it thoroughly. I just don't buy the garbage you put down there about 'being born of water' meaning being born physically. It is utter rubbish. And you talk as if water baptism does not include the work of the spirit. After teaching Nicodemus about being born again, what did Jesus do? He went with his disciples and BAPTIZED! John 3:22 After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and baptized. Do you think that is irrelevant? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Please I Want To Know The Relevance Of Virgin Mary In Christendom by italo: 6:39am On Apr 22, 2012 |
[quote author=i.chuka]Dude the Bible is not a text book neither is it an hand-out. The very nature of the Bible is spirit...Jhn6:63.for this reason you must approach/read it with your spirit.the spirit am referring to is the spirit of every born again Christains,unfortunately you are not born again,so its a close book to you and your cohorts. Because the two(2) women mentioned in the book of Revelation typifies the true Church(Revelation12) and the false Church(Revelation17 and 18)[/quote]Be careful how you lie against the Holy Spirit just because you hate Catholics. Rev 12: 5 says: She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”[a] And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. And you say the passage is talking about the true Church, not Mary. Is it the Church, then, that gave birth to Jesus Christ or is it Mary? Secondly, how do you know I'm not born-again? And how are we sure you are born-again? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Biblical Mary Is Not A Roman Catholic by italo: 6:26am On Apr 22, 2012 |
@ Chinedumo, Its impossible for you to confuse me. You can only confuse yourself. Is Jesus God? Yes or no. Did Jesus ever stop being God? Yes or no. Does Jesus have a mother? Yes or no. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Have You Been Born Again Yet? You Will Never See Heaven Without The New Birth! by italo: 2:37pm On Apr 21, 2012 |
jmoore: @italo, you just made references with no explanation.I thought my post was sufficient in showing that when Jesus said "water and the spirit", he meant baptism. Because immediately after the teaching, he goes on to practicalize what he had just taught by having his disciples baptize people. |
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