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Enigma: When {boxer X} hits you, you stay hit.

When God saves you, you stay saved.

Rom. 11:20-23 – in expounding on Jesus’ teaching in John 15, Paul teaches that the Jews (the natural branches) were broken off by lack of faith (v.20), but says that the Romans stand fast through faith (v. 21). So the Romans are justified. However, Paul then says that the Romans can also be cut off if they don’t persevere in faith and kindness (v. 22-23). Hence, those justified before God can fall away from the faith and lose their salvation (be “cut off”). Paul also says that those who are cut off can be grafted back in if they do not persist in their unbelief, for God has the power to graft them in again (v.23).

How can one who reads these verses, then say, that Christians cannot lose their salvation?

bigd4050: Well gain understanding. I was responding to your last post. If you would pay attention, I say no. That's why you responded to me in the first place.

How can you lose salvation if you've done nothing to earn it?

then tell me in clear terms why paul talks about "hoping" for salvation.

and pls dont beat around the bush like the last time.

we know you cant hope for what is certain.

dont drag us back to primary 1 grammar class.

I didn't tell you it had something to do with Mary *guilty conscience*.

I asked "who is the woman with a crown of 12 stars on her head in heaven?

Is it your mother?

[quote author=i.chuka]our Lord said to Nicodemus,"Truly,truly i say to you,unless one is born of water and the Spirit,he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God"..Jhn3:5.
Paul wrote to the saints in Rome saying,
"Or are you ignorant that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?we have been buried therefore with Him through baptism into His death,in order that just as Christ was raised from the dead through the Glory of the Father,so also we might walk in the newness of life.for if we have grown together with Him in the likeness of His death,indeed we will also be in the likeness of His Resurrection"(Rom6:3-5).
Both our Lord Jesus and Paul spoke of the REALITY of BAPTISM.
The baptism that our Lord mentioned to Nicodemus was a REALITY.the baptism that Paul saw was a burial with the Lord,with the result of one walking in newness of Life.
To the Colossns believers,he spoke of being"BURIED TOGETHER with HIM in BAPTISM"(Col.2:12)
That is when Christ died,we(Christains) died with Him,when He Resurrected we resurrected with Him and now walk with the newness of His Ressurected Life here on earth.
The physical aspect(WATER) is just merely an acceptance of that which had taken place spiritually.[/quote]Its no use typing a long story when you can hardly understand the simplest sentence.

[quote author=i.chuka]dude,there's no queen in the Heavens of our Lord Jesus Christ.
God has no wife.[/quote]Revelation 12:
1 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”[a] And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. 6 The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.
 7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

 10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:

   “Now have come the salvation and the power
   and the kingdom of our God,
   and the authority of his Messiah.
For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
   who accuses them before our God day and night,
   has been hurled down.
11 They triumphed over him
   by the blood of the Lamb
   and by the word of their testimony;
they did not love their lives so much
   as to shrink from death.
12 Therefore rejoice, you heavens
   and you who dwell in them!
But woe to the earth and the sea,
   because the devil has gone down to you!
He is filled with fury,
   because he knows that his time is short.”

 13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach. 15 Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 16 But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

Who is this woman with a crown of 12 stars in heaven?

It doesn't sound like she's a maid to me.

bigd4050: I said we don't know because we can't really prove that God is coming back. Our hope is in what has been passed on to us through the Bible. That is why we have faith...because we don't know. Do you really think there is any way Paul wasn't saved? Do you think there was any doubt as to whether or not he walked with God? The person that truly loves God won't be in the practice of sin.

I don't understand you. The topic of this thread is "can Christians lose their salvation?

What's your answer? Yes or no.

alexleo: Mary is dead and her soul is gone to heaven. Her body has rottened in the grave like that of any human being. She is not making any intercession in heaven for anybody like the catholics foolishly believe. Forget about the nonsense hail mary they are deceiving themselves with.

It is you non-Catholic Christians that are always quick to ask "where is it in the Bible?"

So can you tell me where the Bible says "Mary's body has rottened in the grave?" Where was she buried? Is there any account of her death in the Bible?

To be born-again means to be born of water and spirit.

John 3:3,5 - Jesus says, "Truly, truly, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." When Jesus said "water and the Spirit," He was referring to baptism (which requires the use of water, and the work of the Spirit).

John 3:22 - after teaching on baptism,St. John says Jesus and the disciples did what? They went into Judea where the disciples baptized. Jesus' teaching about being reborn by water and the Spirit is in the context of baptism.

John 4:1 - here is another reference to baptism which naturally flows from Jesus' baptismal teaching in John 3:3-5.

jmoore: To be born again means to be born of the spirit. This is a new life given to those who accept Jesus as the saviour.

If you are born again, you are in Christ Jesus Romans 8:1, 14, 16, 17
"Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. Because those who are led by the Spirit of God, are sons of God . . . The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs - heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory."


For those who are not yet born gain, you can the say the prayer below to be born again. This prayer must be sincere and you must acknowledge that Jesus is your saviour.

"God, I know that I have sinned against you and am deserving of punishment.I ask for your forgiveness of all my sins. I believe and accept you Jesus as my savior , I place my trust in You for salvation. Thank You for Your wonderful grace and forgiveness—the gift of eternal life! Amen!"

Sorry but this passage doesn't tell us exactly what being born-again means. And it certainly doesn't tell us that, to be born again, you have to say that prayer you put down there. If you insist it does, then show me where.

chinedumo: Jesus is not God because he is human. Mary is not Mother of GOD. She is mother of a man.

The honor you give to Mary is not hers

chinedumo: Jesus is not God because he is human. Mary is not Mother of GOD. She is mother of a man.

The honor you give to Mary is not hers

"Jesus is not God?!" I thought you were a Christian. I don't intend to argue this topic with a non-Christian, it doesn't make sense.

Sorry.

@ image123, I'm honoured.

bigd4050: Because we don't absolutely know for sure. We trust in God and his promises, and we trust and hope that he will fulfill them.

If you don't know for sure, that means it can be lost. If it cannot be lost, then St. Paul would have said "we boast in the CERTAINTY of the glory of God", but he didn't say that, he used the word "HOPE."

And if you trust that God will fulfil his promise, it means you KNOW (are certain). You can't hope for what is certain.

Simple as ABC.

FYI

Mary is more than relevant.

That you don't understand something doesn't make it bad.

Mary intercedes for us.

Mary is the Queen of Heaven.

Romans 5: 1 Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we boast in the HOPE of the glory of God.

If salvation is absolutely assured after accepting Jesus as Saviour, why would St. Paul hope?

knowledge4: The Catholics too are a false Christian group that have too many distorted versions of the true doctrines of the Bible. There are at least 30 of them but i will state three of the false doctrines here

1)The Catholics believe that there is a place called Purgatory after death,which exists for the expiation of the venial sins of believers. That the souls detained in Purgatory can be helped by the suffrages of the Catholic faithful (Creed of Pope Pius IV.Art 6)
That the souls that will go to Purgatory are those who ''depart with venial sins or that have not fully paid the debt of temporal punishment...''(The Cathechism 107)
The Bible refuttal is in 1 John 1:7,John1:29,Acts 4:12 which affirms very clearly that there is only one mode of expiation which is by the Blood of Jesus Christ.

2)The Catholics believe that some sins do not deserve the wrath of God.They claim that such sins are venial sins and do not incur spiritual death to the soul.their examples of ''venial sins'' include lying and stealing small things.(Dens Theologia,tom 1&e Peccatis No.154)
The Bible states that every sin deserves the wrath of God(Romans 6:23)(Gal 3:10)(Ezekiel 18:20)
Revelation 21:8 states that all liars will have their part in the lake of fire

3)The Catholics believe that the Church of Rome is infallible,that ''the Pope cannot err and is infallible in defining matters of faith and morals...''.The dogma of Papal infallibility was defined at the Vatican Council which states that anyone contradicting this is a heretic.(Pope Pius X Compedium)(Cathechism of the Council of Trent,Ques Xvii,Part 1,p.100.

The Bible states that no person or church on earth is infallible.(Ezekiel 7:26)(Isaiah 56:10)(Acts 20:29-30)(1Tim4:12)(Matthew 15:14)(2 Thess 2:3-4)

Submission: The Catholics are a false christian sect which doctrines are at variance with the doctrines of the true christian faith.If any Catholic can dispute the facts above with solidly grounded and undeniable facts devoid of sentiments,you are welcome.

Let us first-of-all handle your point 3, which I think is key to answering everything.

Do you think there is a possibility that The Catholic Church may be right and you may be wrong on these topics?

If your answer is "YES", then (as they claim) they might be truly infallible in their teachings based on their interpretation of the Bible. And you might well be a heretic and on your to hell with anyone else who refutes their claims despite knowing them to be true.

If your answer is "NO", then you are yourself asserting that your own teachings (from your interpretation of the Bible) are infallible.

What is your answer?

Is there any need for 'what ifs'?

Jesus has always been God.

Jesus, who is God chose to have a mother.

Mary is Jesus' mother - and Jesus is God.

So Mary is the Mother of God.

We worship God and honour his Mother.

What is the problem there?

You have said so much but you have still failed to tell me exactly what it means to be born-again.

[quote author=i.chuka]Please Can you define "enternal life" for us,thanks.[/quote]See jamb question! Ok, eternal life means life eternal.

John 3:16 doesn't say that one cannot lose eternal life. Give us another verse!

Of course that passage doesn't say what I.chuka is trying to force it to say.

Lol

@ Frosbel,

There's only one truth, one doctrine, one body.

How much longer will you resist?

What did Jesus know about marriage? He taught about marriage.

@ jmoore, maybe you should also say what being born again means, with bible references too.

Are we saved by faith ALONE or works ALONE... Or are we saved by the Grace of God but faith AND works as our human response are necessary?

Drinking alcohol is not as sin; getting drunk is.
As eating is not a sin but gluttony is.

Smoking is not necessarily a sin but its a bad habit.
As staying too close to the TV is not necessarily a sin but a bad habit.

"The fact is that wherever sin is not addressed and where the cross is not preached, majority of people will flock to such places." I like that.

God has illuminated your path home. Do not resist his promptings (which lie deep in your heart) for too much longer. There's only ONE truth, ONE doctrine, ONE body.

As Blessed John Paul would say, "Be not afraid, open wide the door to Christ."

Everywhere you find them, you find death and destruction. From Pakistan to Nigeria to Afghanistan to Somalia. These blood-thirsty people.

What you are trying to tell me is that the Mother of my Lord - God is not special to you. Well, my own earthly mother is very special to me. Even my girlfriend is very special to me... And my guess is Jesus' Mother is very special to him as she is to all Catholics.

[quote author=i.chuka]is this your best shot?
Like i told you earlier,you guys dont know the scriptures nor the power of God....Matt22:29.
If your god had a Mother,he(our god) is still in the grave.
The God of Heaven had no Mother.He is God in Heaven and was God when He walked the earth 2000yrs ago,because He was God the grave cant hold Him,infact He swallow up the power of grave which is death forever in His victory......Isaiah25:8.[/quote]I have already concluded on you, mister. Why should I go on. Our problem is not scripture. Our problem lies within your skull. Whatever is there makes you incapable of understanding even the least things. You must take care of the root cause, not just the symptoms.

umozez: Mary waz favoured to be the mother of our Lord Jesus. It waz not cos she waz special, it waz cos she waz a fiance to Joseph who is 4rm d tribe of judah. I believe if it waz somebody else that waz supose 2 marry Joseph it wud ave been her to b the blessed of all women. It's not about Mary but Joseph cos he is 4rm d tribe of judah.

So she's FAVOURED but not SPECIAL *lol*. These guys. Ok, we don hear. At least you agree she's Jesus mother, unlike the retards.

[quote author=i.chuka]is this your best shot?
Like i told you earlier,you guys dont know the scriptures nor the power of God....Matt22:29.
If your god had a Mother,he(our god) is still in the grave.
The God of Heaven had no Mother.He is God in Heaven and was God when He walked the earth 2000yrs ago,because He was God the grave cant hold Him,infact He swallow up the power of grave which is death forever in His victory......Isaiah25:8.[/quote]I have already concluded on you, mister. Why should I go on. Our problem is not scripture. Our problem lies within your skull. Whatever is there makes you incapable of understanding even the least things. You must take care of the root cause, not just the symptoms.

umozez: Mary waz favoured to be the mother of our Lord Jesus. It waz not cos she waz special, it waz cos she waz a fiance to Joseph who is 4rm d tribe of judah. I believe if it waz somebody else that waz supose 2 marry Joseph it wud ave been her to b the blessed of all women. It's not about Mary but Joseph cos he is 4rm d tribe of judah.

So she's FAVOURED but not special *lol*. These guys. Ok, we don hear. At least you agree she's Jesus mother, unlike the retards.

By now, it is safe to say, anti-Catholicism comes with mental problems. Just look at the garbage these clowns are spewing.

@I.chuka,

I have already answered your questions so I don't know why you are asking them again. Why don't you address my question?

Once again Jesus was speaking the mind of God when he called his mother "woman" and Jesus did not "rebuke" those people. Perhaps what you need is a dictionary.

Now do you mind answering me? Under whose inspiration were John and the angel writing and speaking? This is about the fourth time I'm asking you this.

Mtchew!