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Nigerian Army getting more useless by the day.

The cannot crush Boko Haram that has killed thousands since 2009...

But they want to crush peaceful protesters.

Cowards!

accountable:
The commentary sheds light indeed and perfectly explains why they are not omnipresent.
: present in all places at all times( merriamwebster)
It explains that they are present with God continually through 'inward contemplation'. That's not omnipresence neither are they sharing at all in it.
I guess that the edifying aim of the commentary is to encourage us to inward contemplation so as to continually possess a sense of God's presence, that doesn't make us omnipresent.
When angels are in heaven they are in heaven, when in earth they are in earth. They cannot physically be in both places at same time.

“Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word! Bless the Lord, all his hosts, his ministers that do his will!” (Psalm 103:20-21)

Would the Angels hear the psalmist from heaven...or were all the Angels around the psalmist at that time?

accountable:
Spirit entities can travel from place to place at incredible speed. But they cannot be in two different places at the same time. That is omnipresence.

Show us where the Bible says the bold.

accountable:
None of these things u are insinuation is obvious in these texts.
Heb12:1 said they are WITNESSES. Nothing is said about prayer.
prayer is strictly communication between a child of God and his heavenly father.( matt 6:8-13)
that being what it is, I do not see how the dead saint and angels come in at all. That is why the bible does not mention them with respect to prayer.that is why prayer is not mentioned in all the passages we have seen so far regarding saints.

*[[Psa 65:1-2/KJV]]* To the chief Musician, A Psalm and Song of David. Praise waiteth for thee, O God, in Sion: and unto thee shall the vow be performed. O thou that hearest prayer, unto thee shall all flesh come.

Note the last sentence. God is designated here as the one that hears prayer. The glorified saints wouldn't be eavesdropping.

You're the one who said they'd have the kind of spiritual body Christ and the Angels have. Those bodies can hear prayers and move between heaven and earth.

It's also you who said the saints are aware of events on earth. Prayers are events. No?

Or do you want to deny what you said?

accountable:
What I am saying is that we will put on a spiritual body: an immortal body( incorruptible) like Christ's and Angels'

Then the saints' bodies to can move to and fro heaven and can hear prayers like Christ and the saints.

accountable:
The saints and angels in heaven are aware of events taking place on earth.

Heb 12:1_2) WhereforeWherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
The saints in heaven are the crowd of WITNESSES mentioned here.the chapter before (heb 11) already gave us some names among these witnesse.They are watching . the know when a battle is won, when one gets saved, even when somebody backslides

So they are aware of prayers being said, words being said in prayer etc.

accountable:
*[[Dan 10:13]] But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

The angel speaking here was overpowered by the prince of Persia. So he is not omnipotent
He was detained by the prince of Persia . soi he is not omnipresent.
Only God has this attributes

1. Show where the Bible said it was an angel speaking.

2. Show where I said angels or saints are omnipotent and omnipresent. They share in God's omnipresence and omnipotence. When a prophet foretells, is he omniscient of he shares in God's omniscience?

accountable:
Yes we will become like Christ. Not in the sense of omniscient(all-knowing), omnipotent( all-powerful), or omnipresent( present everywhere at the same time). But:

*[[Phi 3:21] Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Note:: like unto his glorious body
Also see:

*[[Luk 20:36]] Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Been like God is that our mortal body will become immortal. It is immortality not omniscience.

*[[1Co 15:52-55 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

So u see that we cannot be like God(1 john3:2) and be like the angels( Luke 20:36) at the same time. What is common to God and angels is immortality. Angels are not all powerful, all knowing or omnipresent.

So you're saying our bodies will be transformed to be like Christ's and the angels' bodies... that can hear prayers from heaven and move to and fro heaven and earth?

Also, you still haven't told me how angels know when a sinner repents.

I love Legio Mariae...

I don't know why I never joined.

adorablepepple:
that is his choice, and he is a real man who is about to start a family unlike you. And Yes she has a choice,she can choose to say Yes or no. Prick head because women yapa everywhere means he shouldn't respect her right? Whoever ends up with you will be so sorry for herself. African man my foot,when you Finally get ready, you can slap her with the ring sef that's if you can afford a ring .bitter soul

You really believe kneeling means respect and not kneeling means disrespect?

No wonder many women keep getting easily deceived, used and dumped.

ginawest:
so going down on one's knee to propose to a lady is now a foolish act?

What's the point of kneeling?

If na Catholics kneel, una go say we dey worship the fiancee.

accountable:
Or are talking about this verse:
*[[Luk 20:34-36 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
*[[Mar 12:25]For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
the devil promised eve that if she can eat the forbidden fruit 'and ye shall be as gods'.( gen 3:5) Is that what you mean?

accountable:
Can u quote this particular verse?
Because the bible says that there is none like God, dead or alive:

*[[Deu 33:26]] There is none like unto the God of Jeshurun, who rideth upon the heaven in thy help, and in his excellency on the sky.
*[[2Sa 7:22]] Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God: for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

1 John 3:2

Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

accountable:
*[[Luk 15:7]] I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
*[[Luk 15:10]] * Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

My brother, the prayer was not made to the angel. In fact , no prayer is mentioned. Neither are we told that the angel heard and answered the prayer.
When Samson's parents wanted the angel in the book of judges to come back this was the prayer they prayed:

*[[Jdg 13:8-9 Then Manoah intreated the LORD, and said, O my Lord, let the man of God which thou didst send come again unto us, and teach us what we shall do unto the child that shall be born. %v 9% And God hearkened to the voice of Manoah; and the angel of God came again unto the woman as she sat in the field: but Manoah her husband was not with her.

They prayed to God not to the angel.

So how do the angels know when a sinner repents?

accountable:
Blessed Michael, Archangel,
defend us in the hour of hellish battle;
be our sethguard against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
May God restrain him, we humbly pray;
and do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host,
by the power of God, thrust, down to hell, Satan,
and with him the other wicked spirits
who wander through the world for the ruin of souls.amen( prayer of saint Michael)


Are u saying that all the saints who died and are in heaven can hear us from heaven when we mention their names? And that they are present with us?

Have you never read that Angels rejoice in heaven when one person repents?

How did they hear the prayer of repentance from heaven?

accountable:
The bible teaches us that God is omnipresent:

"Where can I go from your Spirit? Or where can I flee from your presence? If I ascend into heaven, you are there; if I make my bed in hell, behold, you are there; if I take the wings of the morning and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea, even there your hand shall lead me, and your right hand shall hold me. If I say, “Surely the darkness will hide me and the light become night around me,” even the darkness will not be dark to you; the night will shine like the day, for darkness is as light to you." (Psalm 139:7-12) also ( Amos 9:2,3; jere23:23,24)

But concerning the saints:
*[[Isa 63:16]] KJV* Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.
*[[Ecc 9:5]] For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
*[[Ecc 9:6]] Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun

The bible says that they don't have any portion forever in anything that is done under the sun.

Have you never read the bible verse that says Christians in heaven will be like God?

Mary is like God now. So who are you to say she cannot share in God's omnipresence?

White wedding is nowhere in the Bible.

Protestants are ashamed to contribute to this thread because we Catholics always tell them that...that something is not in the bible doesn't make it a sin...and the always disagree while telling Catholics to show all our practices in the bible.

The Catholic Church started the white wedding ceremony and the bible.

Both are our babies.

waldigit:
Yeah I suggest that's the Gospel according to your late Parish Priest.
I just wonder how true is it that education can help one develop independent mind.

Coming from one who says the Catholic Church didn't compile the Bible but can't mention who compiled it.

"The Bible fell from heaven" crew.

waldigit:
While all these written by you was happening you were there as eye witness. Oh my GOD

Yes, I was there.

Just like you were an eye witness when your parents did the conjugal act that resulted in your conception.

Or how else do you know that they are truly your parents?

JustTara:
With churches slaughtering each other and making it seem like if you aren't worshipping with them, you're headed straight to hell, even being communal is a personal thing. “Do for others" and “do with others" are two different things you know.

So spending time with prisoners (Matt25:31-46) is not 'doing with others?'

Acts2:42 They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. 43 Awe came upon everyone, because many wonders and signs were being done by the apostles. 44 All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. 46 Day by day, as they spent much time together in the temple, they broke bread at home and ate their food with glad and generous hearts,

Which spirituality are you talking about that isn't communal?

Can love for God be separated from love for man?

JustTara:
When you meet your Jesus, he won't ask if you said “our father" or “my father".

Your Jesus will ask what you did for others (Matt25:31-46).

That makes spirituality communal.

JustTara:
Over 90% percent of things have been politicised and the church unfortunately is not exempted. Spirituality is and will always continue to be a personal thing irrespective of what church you attend or don't attend.

Spirituality is both personal and communal!

'When you pray, say "Our Father..."'--Jesus Christ.

He'll ask what you did for others (Matt25:31-46)

That makes spirituality communal.

But nevermind. You believe God had no hand in including Matthew in the Bible.

JustTara:
Whether I take all or none of them seriously shouldn't be your problem. You should be more focused on answering the question my post presents. Who and how was the Bible compiled? I presented an example of one of the plenty theories floating around. It's left to you to share your own knowledge and air your opinion. Any more questions?

I see.

It is a crime for me to ask you that.

Apologies.

JustTara:
You're sounding more like “I don't believe you've finished reading and understanding the books in the Bible". Nevertheless, finished reading?...yes. Understanding? I would admit to not really understanding everything yet. But that really isn't a valid point to why I shouldn't ask for more books.

Ok

From the readings of today, we learn not to make gods of things/people that God created. Many of us do not worship stones/trees/rivers etc like the people of old that the first reading is referring to...but in many ways, we are no better than those who did so. For when you sleep with a boyfriend/fiance in order to keep him happy, you're are putting that man in the position of the God who gave you the man in the first place. When you lie/cheat to gain money/possessions, you're worshipping money in place of God. When you know you've hurt your brother, but you refuse to swallow your pride and apologize/reconcile, you're worshipping your self/ego. When you're never late for a football game/movie/work etc and you always focus 100% on these...but you always have an excuse to be late for mass (if you attend at all), and your don't focus your attention on the mass but other things...you're worshiping the world instead of God who created the world and can do all things. Let us ponder and act on these things so that when Jesus comes knocking on the door of our consciences, or at the end of our lives, he may find us ready to be with him...and not attached to earthly things which we don't want to leave behind (as in the gospel reading). Focus on God! Good morning people.

plaetton:
Truest thing you have said in a while.

I actually laugh when all these ignorant Pentecostals criticize the Catholic church as a non-bible believing church, lol,..then go on to peddle their own interpretations to scripture, the same scripture that good ol Motherchurch compiled and stitched together two millennia ago.

It's indeed hilarious.

sonmvayina:
just like the two writers above said, especially johnny..there is no ground zero for the development of the bible..it was the council of Hippo in 394AD that set out to compile a canon..before now, they had the codex sinacticus and probably where the vulgate was made from..the only missing books where the gospel of john and the third letter of john..it was the council of Carthage that finally added this book and closed the canon....it has to take another 1000 years before the council of Trent in 1556 AD to finally put a stamp on it as the official book of the church and the word of a god...

Council of Hippo, codex sinacticus, vulgate, council of Carthage, council of Trent...

All were Catholic.

Summary: the Catholic Church compiled and canonized the Bible.

JustTara:
It's so easy for us to defend our individual beliefs. Just Google it out. There are so many theories.

And you take all the theories seriously?

JustTara:
I believe we should have access to more books. If there are more books out there, I wonder if we aren't missing out on some noteworthy information...

Have you finished reading and understanding the few books you have access to?

CoolUsername:
It's a fact that the Catholic church compiled the bible. I'm just saying that citing an outside source to show this fact is better than citing a Catholic one. That way, people won't just dismiss it as propaganda.

Yes. You're right. However, a Catholic source that cannot be refuted is also good.

CoolUsername:
I'm just saying that you should cite a non-Catholic source. That way you'll seem less biased. Seriously, the people who attack Catholics the most are non-Catholic christians, I have no such prejudice against Catholics or anyone for that matter.

How can a non-Catholic source know/relate better what happened within a Synod of Bishops in Rome in 382...than a Catholic source?

Is there a non-family source that can tell the things your parents did in your home more than a family source?



If you say your father compiled the Bible, we can prove you wrong by showing that the Bible existed before your father.

Let anyone come here and claim that the bible NT as we know it was compiled before the Catholic Church did it in 382...

...and let them tell us if it was Martin Luther of 500 years ago or Adeboye of RCCG that compiled it.

Then we'll analyze more.

JustTara:
It's so nice of you correct me in such a polite manner. There are so many theories and contradictions, we don't know what to believe anymore.

I agree there is so much confusion around.

But I believe that if everyone followed their conscience in sincerity and dexterity, they'd find truth.

Who told you what you wrote in your original post?

Who told you that a body other than the Catholic Church compiled the Bible?

Can you provide the source?

Let us analyze their claims.

JustTara:
Jeez. We grew up thinking first that the bible fell down from the sky, then later that it was compiled according to God's direct instruction. Man who is so imperfect compiled the bible and I ain't seeing any divine intervention in it. I guess I could become president and ban the Bible altogether.

The liars are the ones who made you believe the Bible fell from the sky...

...because the don't want to admit that it was compiled by the Catholic Church they hate so much.

So you believe the Bible teaches error...

Or you believe it does not teach error?

PastorAIO:
I mean that you have made a claim to know who wrote the gospels. After your claim you were asked to tell us who those people are.

The appropriate answer to that request would be a list of names and dates, or a simple 'sorry, I don't know'.

Instead the irrelevant and inane rhetorics started to flow.

You said:

.... but nobody asked you how many versions or whether they substantiated anything and no one asked you to hold brief for anybody. So why do you go off in this nonsense daft direction.

You said:


.. again totally irrelevant to the question asked of you. And totally nonsensical. Apart from you, everybody else has admitted that they don't know who wrote the gospels. Is it not daft to accuse someone of not being a first hand witness to his ignorance of an historical event? Does this not make you sound like a dunce?

You said:


... you come take plain-faced lie crown the whole wuruwuru. I believe you meant to write posteriori. Now you tell us, where did you witness the writing of the gospels, since your position is based on posteriori? Unless you admit that you just told a big fat lie. Nothing is posteriori about your claims.

Thank God say other people follow me see as he dey talk rubbish.