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paulGrundy:
Please provide the link to catholic site that talks about cannonization, so I can compare with your quote.

Do some work. Use Google. I can't spoon-feed you.

Stephansmily:
Chisos

Abomination


Am sorry to say this op...but there's only only one way

CASTRATION

After doing that..give your life to Christ... confess your sins and report your partners in crime.

Ya Ya...don't mention, you're welcome.


Cc: Syncan and italo please advice this brother

I believe the OP just wants to troll.

Anyone can claim anything.

We humans are quick to believe anything evil.

If he had said he works with 30 Rev Sisters who for 30 years have dedicated their lives to provide food/medicine/homes etc to the poor, you'd have seen people disbelieving him.

vooks:
The same reasons Jesus resurrects us on the last day and you can't Negro

He is God, Creator and you are a mere creature

Where did Jesus say we can't talk to saints, like he did?

[You tell me.

vooks:
Except God won't suffer nobody to contact the dead by any means

Where did God tell you that?

vooks:
What is the purpose of resurrection?

You tell me.

Provide your proof that necromancy is "contact with the dead."

vooks:
Christ in you does not make you God you fool

It makes God to be in me and I in God.

So God in me can talk to his saints...and I can talk to the saints by God in me.

vooks:
The prayers were made long before Dominic you Neanderthal so what Dominic received was not the pagan incantations but the beads

The order of prayers in the rosary was never existent before it was handed to St. Dominic.

Stone tablets existed and were used by pagans before Moses, does that mean that the 10 commandments handed to Moses evil?

Think, for once.

vooks:
Fool, the witch consulted a living Saint (Samuel) for Saul. Supposing he witch was day a domestic servant for Samuel and she sent and called Samuel from his room. Do you think Saul pull have erred in contacting a living Samuel through the witch.

Grow a brain you negro Neanderthal

So now you say Saints are alive...

Why can't we talk to them then, like Jesus did?

vooks:
The witch was a MEDIUM to contact the dead, she was the means. Do you think if Saul contacted Samuel directly he'd have lived ?

Start thinking you necromancer. Hell is beckoning.

If he had contacted Samuel through the power of God, he'd have lived.

vooks:
Fool, necromancy is CONTACTING the dead
According to you, is Samuel a saint or not? Is he living or dead?

Prove the bold!

Samuel is alive.

vooks:
Jesus is God, he created the heaven. Since you follow Jesus, what have you created lately?

Jesus being God talks to dead people, he gives eternal life but you can't because you are a creature. He also died and went and preached to the dead yet you can't do that. Necromancy will lead you to hell. Virgin Mary is a demon as Mary is busy in heaven. She can't see you. If you stop worshipping Devils, you may meet her on the last day

Reasoning with primitive lowIQ Negroes is a real pain

You have forgotten that Christ is in me and I am in Chriso Christ in me can speak to the saints and I can speak to the saints through Christ.

vooks:
italo is being economical with the truth.
Before a saint is declared, somebody must have prayed to the dead Saint and a miracle/sign effected through this communication with the dead. The miracle must then be verified by Rome

1. The bold is false...it doesn't apply in all cases.

do you agree it's false...or do you want me to take the paint to prove you wrong and ignorant of what you're talking about?

2. When protestants demonize canonization, it's not just the prayers to saints that they demonize...they demonize the very act of declaring that the person lived a good life and died right with God and is in heaven...which Adeboye has now done. focus on that.

If Adeboye hasn't prayed and received a miracle from Awolowo, perhaps that's because those are not the essence of canonization.

vooks:
Bullsh*t
This was no revelation of any sort whether some fools in your religion believe it or not.
Fact of the matter is,Catholicism actively teaches that Mary invented the rosary and shared her invention with Dominic.

This is a bold lie because beads/rosaries were in existence 1000 years before Dominic. How do you receive a private/divine revelation of an invention that predates you by 1000 years?

The rosary is not just "beads" but a prayer - a chain of prayers in a particular order.

Catholics can say the Rosary with a 'finger rosary' (a ring) or even their fingers...or anything else.

Religious texts existed long before the bible...does that mean the bible wasn't inspired by God?

Think, for once.

vooks:
Buffoon, the last book was penned in 96AD. Let me school you Neanderthal on how he bible came to us
http://www.bible.ca/canon.htm

Have a blessed Lord's Day free of satanism,idolatry and necromancy

Who chose the books to be in the bible and the ones to be discarded?

The Catholic Church.

Who decided that the canon of the NT was closed and no other writing could be included?

The Catholic Church.

If the Catholic Church is evil, the Bible is evil.

Boomark:
So you too will also save the world..."one day italo will save the world." It seems the saved are now claiming they will save the world. Smh for them and their catholic doctrine.

All Christians abi, even those that rejected idol worship(which includes praying rosary before a man made image of stone and wood) and every other form of worship that is not in the spirit?

Like accountable stated it, the prophecy neither include you nor Mary our beloved. And you can't force other christians into it as if you had the authority.

We only know one saviour of the world and he is Christ Jesus. If you think that you or Mary will still save the world one day, as if what Christ did and is still doing is not enough, brace yourself like a man and prove it.

24 Now I rejoice in what I am suffering for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.

All Christians are co-workers with Christ for nothing else than the salvation of the world.

Paul was not suffering for the Church to win Ice Cream...but for its salvation.

paulGrundy:
You are taking his quote out of context, remember that catholics criteria for being a saint is different from that of pentecostals. A pentecostal believes that when a man is born again, he's a saint. But a catholic believes that one becomes a saint after death, after passing through some criteria.
That alone makes your logic flawed.



This your US against THEM stance is funny.

It will help you understand if you put aside the appellation: "saint," and focus on the essence of the issue

At Canonization, Catholic declare that a person has lived a good life and was right with God when he/she died...so he/she is now in heaven

this has been condemned by pentecostals for decades. They say the pope has no right to claim that Mother Theresa is in heaven.

Now that is the exact thing that Adeboye has done. He has 'Canonized' 'St. Awolowo' in the Catholic sense...which pentecostals have condemned for long

That is the issue you are deviating from.

vooks:
Fool, the bible existed long before Catholicism satanism was born

Yet Jesus and the apostles never mentioned it.

Who's the fool now?

When "Christians" call the Catholic Church all sorts of evil names...

But the "evil" Catholic Church compiled the Holy Bible abi?

Abi the Bible is evil too?

vooks:
What was Saul's crime?
1 Chronicles 10:13-14

13 - So Saul died for his iniquities, because he transgressed the commandment of the Lord, which he had commanded, and kept it not: and moreover consulted also a witch,

14 - And trusted not is the Lord: therefore he slew him, and transferred his kingdom to David the son of Isai.

Did Jesus/Catholics consult any witch?

We Catholics speak to the Saints in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

vooks:
You are devoid of reason. Isn't God too the God of Samuel? If so, why was it a sin for Saul to attempt to contact him vide the witch of Endor?

1 Chr 20:13-14

Did Jesus use any witch?

If Saul was doing what Catholic do, would he need to travel to seek a witch?

Do Catholics and Jesus need to go anywhere to talk to the Saints?

vooks:
God is God of the Living but necromancy remains a sin. Chatting with the dead is satanism and witchcraft. Saul learned this the hard way

1. Necromancy is not "chatting with the dead." It is divining (conjuring their spirits).

2. Saints are alive. Jesus said so. You don't believe Jesus?

vooks:
Semantics again. What is the difference between negroes who visit cemetery and shrines to chat with their ancestors and a Catholic who desperately entreats a dead Paul to prey for him ?

And Jesus who went a mountain and chatted with Elijah and Moses (you forgot that one).

What's the difference?

vooks:
He is your model, can I worship you just as I worship Him?
primitive Negro

He is my role model means I should behave as he did...at least to the reasonable extent.

If Adeboye is your role model, would that mean that you should sleep with his wife and head RCCG...in his place?

Insulting me a million times doesn't mean that Jesus practiced necromancy.

vooks:
idiocy and semantics. you worship dead men

'Dead men' that you cannot name.

vooks:
Catholicism is witchcraft;
1. Consult the dead

So Jesus practised witchcraft at the transfiguration?

And it was this Catholicism witchcraft that they used in compiling the bible, changing worship day to Sunday, fixing Christmas and Easter...all further examples of Catholic doctrines and practices which you condemn and copy.

vooks:
2. pray to images/idols

So Joshua prayed to images/idols in Joshua 7:6?

vooks:
3. Vain repetitions

So Jesus said 'vain repititions' in Matt 26:44?

Or could it be that at your age, you don't know the meaning of the bold...and you don't know where to find the meaning of words?

It's called dictionary, boy.

By the way, is it vain repitition when you and your pastors say: "shibobobobomashinda" hundred times?

Or when you and your Mountain of Fire people scream "fire fire fire fire...." till they lose their voices?

Condemn and copy!

vooks:
Jesus is God, He is the creator, he talked to Satan, demons...... That's not your lot.

So Jesus is no more the role model of Christians, abi?

vooks:
Catholicism on the other hand worships dead people. Adeboye even if he backslid would never sink to Catholicism blasphemy and idolatry.

I don't know of any dead person that Catholics worship.

You're manufacturing things we don't do just to divert attention from the fact that you pentecostals condemn our doctrines and practices, then copy them.

There are many more Catholic doctrines that Pentecostals demonized, then copied...with pictures.

The shameful thing is that the pentecostals here are bent on denying what is so evident.

Just some other examples of pentecostal clowns copying stupidly what they condemn Catholics for.

1. They condemn sacramentals then wear their own 'sacramentals' (Chosen apron)

2. They condemn the changing of water to wine but they drink petrol when their pastor says he's changed it to pineapple juice.

3. The condemn catholic vestments, then Adefarasin copies it and they love it.

4. They say the Pope has no right to say John Paul is in heaven, but they cannot condemn Adeboye for saying Awolowo is in heaven.

Hypocrites!

Scholar8200:
Alright. Perhaps 'most' could be changed to 'some'. Afterall you are the ones that accuse us of being sola scriptura.

That is in catholicism but right from Scripture, a saint is one who has repented and has surrendered to the Lordship of Christ while living having believed on His vicarious sacrifice.
The thief on the cross became a saint at the time he repented (means changed his mind), stopped railing at Jesus but rather, recognising that He was crucified not for any sin and believing on Him, requested for a place in His kingdom.(that request alone proves the man really believed Jesus was more than another dying fellow man but the Son of God.)

Adeboye has done what Catholics do in Canonization...which pentecostals condemn...declaring that a person lived right, died in grace and is now in heaven.

First, you condemn, then you copy.

Scholar8200:
The certainty exuded by the verse ranks just the same yet it will be wrong to say he was canonizing himself.
I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8 henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

Suddenly, they're bringing out verses to support Canonization..now that their 'pastor' has copied it.

Scholar8200:
But that quote says Catholicism has a process/some processes to be followed! Why then accuse a man for simply expressing an opinion (sans any process) which is by no means authoritative?

There was a process. Adeboye said he spoke to the woman and inferred that she no doubt, is in heaven. That is a process.

vooks:
When you run of of knowledge and divine wisdom and start engaging dead people, you know your religion is dead. Adeboye has done none of that and I find it extremely silly that one would equate a belief that a dead person is in heaven with chatting with demons and familiar spirits. Did you know Queen of Heaven is a demon?

Adeboye has 'canonized' a 'saint,' like Catholics do, which pentecostals condemn.

First you condemn, then you copy.

Jesus engaged 'dead' people.
Do you know king of kings is Nebuchadnezzar?

vooks:
Jesus Christ is GOD, the Creator and you are a mortal. Why don't you also follow His example and create?

Pretty ret@rded logic right there

So Jesus practised necromancy when he spoke to Moses and Elijah abi?

Well done!

Jusmudi:
I sent u email bt u dn't reply

Pls can u give me your email id, let me search my mail box.

SUPOL:
u dont fight d church

Christ Embassy that opened shop just a few years ago is not the Church (which Christ founded 2000 years ago).

yinkeys:
1. That's not true, the kind of attitude some women display to hustling dudes could make a man not think of marriage when he's made. If i'm to be left alone to make the decision; trust me i wont get marrried but I definitely want my soul to be in heaven when I'm old & my time on earth ends so I have to go by the scriptures & get married. It is compulsory
2. Economic meltdown like someone said

It is not compulsory to marry.

Do you know scripture better than St. Paul that wrote scripture...yet never got married?