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OLAADEGBU:
You ask for Bible evidence then you get bible evidence. Read what God says (in red) and the response of the idol worshippers (in blue):

"The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke me to anger" (Jeremiah 7:18; 44:17-25).

"But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour our drink offerings to her as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings to her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine"(Jeremiah 44:17-18.).

This is how Mary has been exalted in the minds some Roman catholics to the status of deity who they think hears their prayers.

The verses say nothing about Mary and the Saints.

But 1John3:2 and 1Cor13:12 say Mary and the Saints know fully, and are like God.

Hiswordxray:
It is clear the you have no understand of what Christianity in the Bible looks like

What does it look like?

A disorganized set of people with contradictory doctrines, no leaders, no system, no succession, no head, no tail?

brocab:
Maybe if you pull your head out of backside and stop criticising, and check out this news yourself, you may learn something in life.
The Vatican has many hidden secrets behind those doors, but you wouldn't know-you are to bissy rubbishing other Christians who are willing to speak forward.
Maybe you and your nosey gang-could consider listening instead of being such jerks, about anything that is happening in these last day's heading our way, millions of Christians are falling each day.
Maybe if you learn to pray to Jesus without Mary, you yourselves may receive the answers other believers have retrieved.
Remember not only the Catholic's but all believers have their issues.

Instead of showing us that your mother raised you to insult people who did nothing to you...

...why don't you just show us where and when Pope Francis said it?

Misreal, please take note.

babylolaroy:
excuse me o jare. haha. dont christians wearing these things believe in it. worshipping means believing in a certain thing as your helper or whatever.

We Catholics don't believe in the sacramentals we wear as our helper...just like the woman with the Issue of blood didn't believe in Jesus' Garment as her helper. We, like the woman believe God can heal us by his power which is bestowed on those things.

babylolaroy:
besides we v seen christians kneeling on both knees to an image of jesus in church, saying o father lord, your dear child is here at your feet...kai. what else do u mean. yu sha cannot kayin no corner

Just like Joshua and all the Israelites prostrated before images in the Ark and spoke to the Father in Joshua 7:6.

Were they worshipping the images?

You need to open your mind to the spirit, start reading the Bible and become a Christian.

Sabrwahaqqo:
The questions are

- How many wife/ves has David - Will he go to hell?

-How many wife/ves has Solomon- Will he go to hell?

- How many verses of the Holy bible has it that Jesus said - Don't marry more than one wife

- Was it even in the 10 commandments that don't marry more than one? Or is their an 11th law we don't know of ?

- If this polygamy ish were a sin so grave as being painted , why didn't God the mighty but loving categorically advise or admonish us not to get close ?


- if polygamy and infidelity answers the same questions why are there two words?

Polygamy indeed solves the problem af the man being unnecessarily promiscuous to be sincere cos he already has the varieties...

So, polygamy is not infidelity abeg !

The status or institution of simultaneous marriage of more than one woman to one man, or of several women to several men. The two forms are polygyny and polyandry. In ordinary use, the term is restricted to polygyny, i.e., where one man is simultaneously married to more than one woman.

Polygamy as polygyny is contrary to divine positive law governing the marriage union (Genesis 2:24; Ephesians 5:31). According to the natural law, even successive polygamy (as in societies that legalize marriage after divorce) hinders the proper care and education of children. And it places an intolerable burden on practicing mutual love between the spouses.

In the Old Testament, God tolerated polygamy for a certain time, as it appears from the examples of men such as Abraham, Jacob, and David. But with the proclamation of the New Law, this concession, almost wrested from by God by reason of the moral obtuseness of man, was revoked. Marriage was restored to its original unity. The language of Christ is very explicit (Matthew 19:3-9; Mark 10:1-12; Luke 16:18). Catholic tradition has consistently interpreted Christ's teaching as absolutely forbidding polygamy, and the prohibition was defined by the Council of Trent, pronouncing anathema against anyone who says that "it is lawful for Christians to have several wives at the same time, and that it is not forbidden by any divine law"

Zehner:
We need proof....beta post the video now.

POWEROFPEACE:
This is not the first time I have heard this news, how true is it and if you can not share the pictures, how do you expect us to believe.

A video was posted here.

https://www.nairaland.com/2582988/video-holy-mary-mother-jesus

The OP tells us to obey Jesus...

Then he tells us to disregard Church, Sacraments, Church leaders instituted by Jesus. He tells us to disregard the mother given to us by Jesus.

All these mushroom confused people sef...

misreal:
i am not a Catholic but I think the Pope did not say this.

Of course the Pope didn't say it.

What you must wonder is why so-called "christians" keep making up lies about the Pope and Catholicism.

Hiswordxray:
anybody who read this would understand what the op calls churchless. Look again at the word organized Christianity, the problem was that he never specify the alternative that people are moving to. Nevertheless it is his topic and you have no right to demand that he submit to you and change it, that is pure arrogance and pride.

The Christianity of the Bible was Organized!

babylolaroy:
you are a liar and thats not fair to your own self and in the interest of truth. you know what worship means nd you know when you do it to mr deacon's picture. if yu dont, others do it. hanging a cross around ur neck, buying a home wall paper etc....thats called reverence to the point of worship na. some christians even argue that they worship God not Jesus, yet they dont hang God's own image buh jesus' own wic sadly is now not his. am short of words...but again, what can surprise me in christianity?

So to you, hanging a picture or wearing a chain on your neck means you're worshipping the chain and picture?

Chizzled06:
'Faith' is empty, because by definition is belief without proof or evidence.

Mr 'logical thinking,' By whose definition?

Chizzled06:
Current Christian ideology is based on the words of the bible, which happens to be a collection of mythical books.

1. Prove your claim that the books of the bible are mythical. Or do you want us to have empty belief in what you say?

2. Are you aware that Christianity existed before the New Testament was ever written, Mr 'Logical Thinking?'

Chizzled06:
Asking me to prove that God is not real is like a kid asking you to prove that his imaginary friend doesn't exist.

In other words, you can't prove your claim that God doesn't exist. You just have an empty belief that there is no God, right?

Now, is that "logical thinking?"

Chizzled06:
Nevertheless, I'll leave you with this quote from Epicurus;

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”

I can't respond to Epicurus who is not here to defend himself.

I will respond to the above if you claim you have the same thoughts as the author. Do you?

benjibabs:
Obviously, you have been brainwashed to the extent that you don't even remember your punctuation.

So punctuation is your latest excuse?! Here are the verses again:

1John3:2 Beloved, we are God’s children now; what we will be has not yet been revealed. What we do know is this: when he is revealed, we will be like him, for we will see him as he is.

1Cor13:9 For we know only in part, and we prophesy only in part; 10 but when the complete comes, the partial will come to an end. 11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; when I became an adult, I put an end to childish ways. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then we will see face to face. [b]Now I know only in part; then I will know fully, even as I have been fully known.



How will we be like God?

What do we know and prophesy in part in 1Cor13:9-12?

Please answer, as I answered your own question.

benjibabs:
Both of you are clowns and should be confined in the circus to entertain unbelievers with your antics of trying to force a square peg into a round hole!

It is more than 2wks that this thread opened and you are yet to provide just one scripture to back up your claims. It is abundantly clear that you neither know nor understand the God you claim to serve. As I have mentioned earlier, the message of the bible is extremely simple, you will need someone to help you miss it. Let me ask you one last question before I leave . . .

If road A leads to your destination, 100% guaranteed and road B may or may not lead you to your destination, which one would you take? It is not a trick question o. Just apply common sense and should get the right answer.

I would take the road that leads to my destination 100%.

In this case, both roads lead to my destination 100%.

Concerning the bold, you're saying Matt17:3, 1Cor14:12, 1John3:2, John11:26,27 etc that prove that the saints can hear and communicate are not scripture?

Meanwhile you have not shown one verse that says "Mary cannot hear prayers"...from Genesis to Revelation.

benjibabs:
NO

Provide a scripture that says pray to Mary or example of anyone who prayed to Mary or dead saints, you are quoting the event on mount of transfiguration. Again, when you pray to Mary or dead saints, do they manifest like Moses and Elijah? If you cannot look at two situations and determine their similarities, where are we going to start to explain to you the significance of the event in Matt 17? If that event proved anything at all in respect of praying to the dead, it would be that it is not possible or why did Jesus not just talk with them without them manifesting on earth?
Eh bro?

Let us understand you.

Explain what you mean by "NO."

Are you saying Moses and Elijah had not died at the time...?

Or are you saying they had died but they didn't communicate on earth?

Hiswordxray:
That is exactly what we are saying. Christians are now tired of going to a formal build to church and many are now experiencing Christ outside the organize services of the formal building.
A church is the people not the building therefore we can decide to church outside the building

Who said church is building?

Church is organized, with leaders and heirarchy. With one faith, one doctrine. With a system of operation, succession etc.

Church is not your millions of groups contradicting one another and lying that they were taught by the Holy Spirit.

Chizzled06:
Logical thinking. Truth. Instead of empty faith in baseless ideologies.

Let us test your proposal a little.

You talk about "logical thinking" and "truth."

Can you prove that my faith in God is empty?

Can you prove that Christian ideology is baseless?

Can you prove that God is not real?

Or do you just have an empty belief in these statements and your baseless ideas? - The same thing you accuse us of.

Chizzled06:
Logical thinking. Truth. Instead of empty faith in baseless ideologies.

Let us test your proposal a little.

You talk about "logical thinking" and "truth."

Can you prove that my faith in God is empty?

Can you prove that Christian ideology is baseless?

Can you prove that God is not real?

Goshen360:
Goshen, pray for you everytime you come before God? Seriously?

The question I asked was: if I say, "Goshen, pray for me,' am I praying in your name?

If you can't answer such simple question honestly, it says a lot about how much you loathe the truth.

That moment when the OP derails his own topic with heretical memos because he can't stand the biblical evidence put before him showing that Mary and the Saints can hear us.

From "bible alone" to "memes alone."

Tomorrow, he'll say "Catholics don't read bible."

vooks:
Good point


And he told us not to make vain repetitions. Soo vain repetition is not praying for something severally. Mumbling memorized lines especially in quick succession counts as vanity

Doing it merely as a routine is discouraged.
Mumbling memorized prayer, in the right spirit, with deep reflection on what one is saying, is okay.

vooks:
They were worshipping not praying. That's a song

Rev4:8 The four living creatures, each of them with six wings,* were covered with eyes inside and out. Day and night they do not stop exclaiming:
“Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God almighty,

who was, and who is, and who is to come.”d


9 Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to the one who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever,

10 the twenty-four elders fall down before the one who sits on the throne and worship him, who lives forever and ever. They throw down their crowns before the throne, exclaiming:
11 “Worthy are you, Lord our God,
to receive glory and honor and power,

for you created all things;

because of your will they came to be and were created.”

If after reading the above, you say it is not prayer, but the 'Hail Mary' is prayer...

Then I ask you: what is prayer?

Chizzled06:
I was indoctrinated into the catholic faith from birth.
But I've lost my faith, and found reason.
I hope one day you all break free from the mental shackle that is organised religion

Bro, what is this "reason" you found?

Goshen360:
MFM, their leadership & followers are the most religious confused people in Nigeria. As if they read a different bible or just following the doctrines of men. Nobody can say nothing to them and their followers in an attempt to correct them. They're going to call you all kinds of names!

As for those praying to\in Mary's name - they are just completely blind. If the head is blind, the whole body is definitely in complete darkness.

If I say "Goshen, pray for me," am I praying in Goshen's name?

Vooks, not all repetitious prayers are vain repetitions.

What determines whether it's vain or not is the intention and mindset of the one saying the prayer. The verse you quoted shows that prayer that is said with the mindset that your many words is what matters...is vain.

However, one can repeat a prayer with a reflective mindset and it would be fine.

Jesus repeated the same prayer thrice.

The living creatures in Revelations are seen repeating the same prayer forever and ever.

Are those vain repetitions?

Appleyard:
Mary did not appear anywhere! So-called Mary is a demon decieving people with appearance here and there. We know her to be fake because Mary had no Biblical role to play in the scheme of things nor in event pertaining to the end time!

Just another enticing and seducing spirit decieving and operating an unsuspecting church.

So-called holy mary decieving people since Eons!

It is better to shut up than to malign what you do not understand.

agwom:
you have to remember that i ask a question, CHURCHLESS CHRISTIANITY,A MOVE OF GOD? then what is your take? @misreal

A move of satan.

Matt16:18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

ifeness:
I'm not mad,I'm actually wondering how comfortable you are kissing the hands of your oppressors. You even adopted their names(Life could be wicked to the poor)

Of course, mad men don't know they're mad.

ifeness:
Can you imagine! I head the Pope figure during slavery owned black men like you,and he backed his actions from your hole(y) book. You probably could easily have been one,but at least that is over now. Imagine the insult of serving the same people who used to own you

Are you serious!

Don't worry, he's already convicted for making you mad.

ifeness:
Tell the Pope well done for keeping you ignorant. All the ancient books of knowledge have been burnt and most of it kept in the Vatican storage,good job!

That's not all. The Pope is also responsible for making you a psychiatric patient that goes around ranting off-topic. This pope na wah!

Hiswordxray:
Where in the Bible did they say a building was built and it was called church. But instead the Bible says the church meet at house, people's home.

Where in the bible did they say the Church had wedding ceremonies and funerals? Where did the church use the Internet to preach as you're doing? Instead the bible says the apostles preached by word of mouth or handwritten letter.

Hiswordxray:
Well, read the link and if you still don't understand then it shows you are carnal. For the carnal man cannot understand the things of the Spirit (1Cor 2:14)

Is your link the Bible?

I thought it was "bible alone."

The biblical church was organized with one faith and one doctrine...with a set of leaders and heirarchy.

If you don't understand the bible inspired by the spirit then it shows you are carnal. For the carnal man cannot understand the things of the Spirit (1Cor 2:14)

ifeness:
Say hi to the Pope then

Thank you.

Say hi to the psychiatrist.

ifeness:
Lets not forget you are one of the non diagnosed ignorant minds on nairaland. A Roman catholic slave for that matter.

It is normal for mentally deficient people to hurl unprovoked insults at people who have superior reasoning than they do.