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OLAADEGBU:
Am expecting you to say how the OP is not accurate in it's assertion.

The OP hasn't substantiated his claims.

You are a thief. I expect you to show how you're not a thief.

Is that reasonable?

I also expect you to tell us why you and your pastors are obsessed with the Catholic Church to the extent of breathing it, listening to it more than Catholics and seizing every opportunity to visit the Pope at the Vatican if your allegations are true.

OLAADEGBU:
The guy in the picture there is well known for his stand on biblical issues, so I am not surprised.

Which guy? There are dozens of your pastors that flocked to see the Pope in the pictures...

...and thousands more wishing it would be their turn soon.

Syncan:
Naaah, He "understandably asked the Father that request three times that night, and not all at the same time". Do you even understand this guy?

It's a pity that someone can reason this way.

Isn't repetitive prayer meant to be at different times? One after the other?

Can someone make repetitive prayers at the same time?

Can I say 10 hail marys at the same time?

It's honestly a pity.

johnw74:
Psa 148:1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights.
Psa 148:2 Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts.

I suppose you think the psalmist was praying to the sun and moon too.

Psa 148:3 Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light.

The psalmist was writing his thoughts, on this ocassion about the LORD deserving the praise of all of his creation.

Psa 148:5 Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created.

Read the whole psalm and who knows, you might understand?

Was the psalmist praying?

Simple qweshion!

johnw74:
The Angels never stop praising God, saying day and night "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty"

good on them.

To God it is praise,
to you it is repetitous praying.

also see this: https://www.nairaland.com/2411104/how-jesus-reacted-worship-mary/2#35474607

And praise is not prayer?

Who is your "pastor" or G.O?

johnw74:
Mat 26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

Jesus understandably asked the Father that request three times that night, and not all at the same time, and you say blasphemously that He was praying repetitiously, when Jesus Himself said that type of prayer was of the heathen.

Mat_6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

So Jesus did not repeat the same prayer 3 times?

johnw74:
Twisting what I said may make you feel good but it doesn't help you at all.
Jesus gave an example of how to pray, that is what He was asked,

Our Father who art in Heaven....We pray to the Father
Hallowed be thy name.... we acknowledge His Holyness
Thy Kingdom come....we show we long for his kingdom
Thy will de done on earth as it is in heaven...we acknowledge He is in charge
Give us this day our daily bread....we ask Him for our needs
forgive us our trespasses as we forgive our debtors...we ask for forgiveness of sins, we don't ask man.
lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil....ask his protection
etc.

Jesus also told you that we should not say any other prayer...or that we must never repeat the Our Father abi?

johnw74:
I say again the psalmist asked the angels and other Heavenly beings to praise God,
he didn't ask them to praise God for Him, the psalmist is very capable of doing that himself.

Oh! So the Psalmist doesn't need the Angels to praise God for him, he was only telling them to Praise God. But the Angels need the psalmist to tell them when to praise God abi...l

Very importantly, you dodged the question, as expected.

Was the psalmist praying or not?

Splendid day to you too, bros.

menesheh:
Didn't get where you dragging me to. What's your point?

If you applied a literal approach to all of the Bible, you wouldn't have a hand to type or eyes to see. You would have cut them off.

Zonacom:
I am a Catholic but my heart bleeds whenever i see stuff like this- infighting among Christians. You should be ashamed ofyourself italo

'Ashamed of myself' for pointing out that Protestantism is a house built on sand and that Protestants approved "gay marriage" ceremonies in "church?"

Matt7:26 - And every one that heareth these my words, and doth them not, shall be like a foolish man that built his house upon the sand.

Jesus was not ashamed of himself, brother. Neither was he engaging in infighting.

The New Testament is full of examples of the apostles calling out heretics and false teachers and condemning their heresy.

I have a lot to say to you...but let me not be as uncharitable as you were to me.

jnrbayano:
Hunter hunted..

Italo, you are not well.

The hunters are reading and disappearing into the thick forest...disappointed and scared to talk.

Oh! Apologies to all the anti-Catholics that jumped on this thread to satisfy their urge to bash Catholicism.

I found out is actually you Protestants that approved gay marriage.

What else can we expect from Protestantism - a house built on sand.

Apologies to the Catholics that were scandalized by the title. Have no fear. The Catholic Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. It cannot teach heresy.



See (shortened) story below:

Episcopalians (Anglicans) voted overwhelmingly this week to allow religious weddings for same-sex couples. The Episcopal Church has long been on the forefront of equal rights for homosexuals, ever since electing it first openly gay bishop 10 years ago. 

Episcopalians voted overwhelmingly this week to allow religious weddings for same-sex couples.

The vote came in Salt Lake City at the Episcopal General Convention shortly after the Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage. The House of Bishops approved the resolution earlier this week by 129-26 with five abstaining.

A lesbian married to a fellow Episcopal priest, the Rev. Bonnie Perry of Chicago joyously declared, "We're all included now."

"For the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people in our congregations now know under the eyes of God and in every single state in this blessed country, they are welcome to receive all the sacraments," she said.

The ruling eliminates gender-specific language from church laws on marriage in order for same-sex couples could have religious weddings. In lieu of "husband" and "wife," for example, the new church law will refer to "the couple."

However - in a stipulation that may have profound reverberations among similar churches -- clergy can decline to perform the ceremonies. The changes were approved 173-27. The deputies also approved a gender-neutral prayer service for marriage on a 184-23 vote, according to AP.

http://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=61705

menesheh:
Are you kidding me, that means the content of the bible can be twisted anyway.

Why not convey the seven days creation info the same simple way he explain things to the simple mind as u said. Is god author of confusion?

If your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off, so that you don't 'twist the bible anyway.'

menesheh:
How did you evaluate that what CC is teaching is true?

The same way you evaluated Catholic teaching to be true when you accepted the Bible they compiled and canonized.

Kalatium:
The Catholics and the Protestants have a lot of problems due to differences in theology some of them are:The Catholics believe in purgatory, transubstantiation, maryology,7 sacrament, worship of relics and images,infant baptism, baptism by sprinkling, bazar sales,veneration of saints,cross depiction,they have additional books after the sixty six books called deterocanonical or apocrypha etc. You can add them

Protestants themselves are confused and can't unite. They teach millions of contradictory doctrines and they all claim that these contradictory doctrines are from the Holy Spirit...which is obviously false...the Holy Spirit doesn't contradict himself.

Some Protestants believe Mariology, infant baptism, veneration of saints, use of images etc while others reject them.

Some Protestants accept gay marriage and abortion, while others dont.

Some Protestants believe that Jesus is God, others say he was just a man.

The problem is not Catholics...our belief is unified and unchanging...

The problem is with those who decided to preach contradictory lies and untruths...and lie that it is from the Holy Spirit.

Syncan:
Lol, now let's watch the drama unfold.

Yes o...with pop corn, coke and a big sense of humour.

Rich4god:
Lol.... @syncan and italo.... I can only laf out loud.... I go tell my zing make she prepare a delicious meal for you guys....

Abeg make your zing prepare food for Johnw47 too o.

You know say hunger sef dey make person confuse.

Syncan:
...Yet they stay glued to anything Catholic, reading the Catechism, Following the Pope's speeches and acts...sometimes more than Catholics, even doing vigil during the Pope's election to see and hear the new Pope, then they rush to condemn. Haba! Which kind envy be this na?

Not only those ones o...they (especially their "pastors" are also quick to rush to the Vatican to see the Pope at any given opportunity.

Syncan:
Hahahaha, now he asks how saying Our father is the right way to pray. Did Jesus tell you how many times you should say it? Just take a look at the bold, do you know you just said that Jesus did not pray well in the garden of Gethsemane? lets see what happened there Matt. 26:44 "And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words". Did you see that Jesus spent his time in the Garden saying same thing? Yet you have the audacity to tell Jesus that "Prayer isn't reciting same thing over and over again". Ok, make I just dey observe you.

Thank you for agreeing that the Psalmist told the angels and the hosts to praise the Lord. At least it means you agree that angels and hosts can pray, for praise just like supplication are forms of prayers. If any one can Pray, such a one can praise, such a one can Petition, such a one can supplicate for another. The Psalmist asked them to praise the Lord, why? for he the psalmist feels the goodness and greatness of God, so he is simply telling them to Praise God for him, just same way some people (not you) asks their brethren to praise God for them. What is wrong with that, it is scriptural not so? Was the psalmist praying in that passage or not.

In the anti-Catholic mind: if I say the Psalmist was not praying, I will sound silly. If I say the Psalmist was praying, it would mean the Catholics are right to ask for intercession. I will rather beat around the bush or change the topic.

johnw74:
@bold,
How does saying an Our Father after saying 10 hail marys make it a right way to pray?
Prayer isn't reciting the same things over and over, prayer is talking to God, having a conversation with Him.

Christians have a personal relationship with God, they don't pray to human beings who have died to pray to God for them.

@underline,
the psalmist tells the Angels and Heavenly host to praise the Lord,
the psalmist did not tell the Angels and Heavenly host to pray to God for Him,
a big difference.

Ha! Syncan! It seems that we Catholics (Jesus, the four living creatures and us) don't know how to pray.

What are we going to do? See below.

Matt26:44 So he left them and went away once more and prayed the third time, saying the same thing.

Rev4:8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying:

“‘Holy, holy, holy

is the Lord God Almighty,’[b]

who was, and is, and is to come.”

honourhim:
Luke 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 [b][/b]But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

We can see in the scripture above that Christ didnt give support to the slightest worship of his mother yet people wont hear.

A thread that started with a lie!

Nobody worshiped Mary in the verse.

Brocab, olaadegbu, johnw74, honour him and other anti-Catholic leeches will pretend not to see their protestant/pentecostal pastor...

They are busy looking for fake faults in Catholics.

Insecure protestants...always demonizing the Catholic Church in a bid to gain relevance.

Yet the Catholic Church keeps waxing strong while they keep splitting to millions of "denominations" with contradictory doctrines.

So Pope Francis greeted a priest that teaches error?

Hell no! Why would he do that?!

Does he not know how Jesus treated Judas - a betrayer Catholic priest?

Jesus avoided him in the protestant/pentecostal Bible.

But in the Catholic Bible, Jesus washed Judas' feet and took a kiss from him.

Which Bible are you reading?

Yet the Mushin LG and Lagos State Govt have done nothing against Area boys and their menace.

To them, to the a vagabond/hooligan/thug is better than to be a trader.

macof:
You should know that I don't reply bigots

No wonder you didn't reply Oba Akiolu!

So since you replied me you don't consider me a bigot.

macof:
Well, The areas were coastline areas without settlers. The coastline colonies were just used for ease of sea transportation and trade from Kumasi to Bini city
Oyo was the one that held the mainlands inhabited by the Fon of Dahomey up till the Ewe along the Volta river of Ghana

Oh! In the case of Dahomey, Togo and Ghana, the areas were coastlines without inhabitants...

...but in Lagos, the coastline was inhabited by Yorubas.

hurricaneChris:
Thanks bro. Miracle is just like "copied assignment", u can never explain it. Haha
Am so grateful to God.

It's in lagos here. Inside Motorways building, Opposite 7up company, Ojota.

Lol...okay. thought it was in the east...so that you can buy me red wine. I'll be going to the east for some projects.

As Jesus performed his first miracle of turning water into wine...at the the intercession of our mother, Mary...

May he grant us also the miracles we need. Amen.

Sacred Heart of Jesus...have mercy on us.

Immaculate Heart of Mary...pray for us.

hurricaneChris:
Lol, I swear my brother, you don't understand.

Someone called me last week and said he saw my drawing somewhere.

He asked me to see him at their office.
I went their on tuesday before traveling to owerri, this man just took me inside his office and gave me appointment letter! He's an Architect.

No interview, no stress.

I have a new job!!!!

I understand.

Congrats...where's the job located?

My bro HurricaneChris, congrats.

I know there were times when the success of today seemed almost impossible...

I thank God for your family.

btoks:
From the last 2 pages,you see an example of how sola scriptura doesn't work.one person says baptism is important and saves,others say water baptism is obsolete.!How do we know the truth?

You will have to ask barnabaseloke and Muttleylatt,

They seem to have assumed ownership of the "spirit." They know who has the Spirit and who doesn't. They even know how much of the spirit each person has.

The problem is that that "spirit" tells them contradictory things sometimes.