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Can't believe this is Frosbel.

After all those years of insulting Islam and Muslims

And condemning Catholics to hell.

Now the Catholic doctrine has remained the same, but Frosbel's doctrine has been flip-flopping and is gravitating back to Catholic doctrine.

Catechism of the Catholic Church 847:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.


Rom 2:14 When Gentiles, who do not possess the law, do instinctively what the law requires, these, though not having the law, are a law to themselves. 15 They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, to which their own conscience also bears witness; and their conflicting thoughts will accuse or perhaps excuse them 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God, through Jesus Christ, will judge the secret thoughts of all.

I laugh in Latin.

@Lateralmaths,

You just disappeared on me and reappeared only to pretend you I never asked you anything. Is that how you do when someone disproves your heresy through scripture? Here are my questions again:

What prize that is not salvation was Paul talking about in 1Cor9:24?

James2:24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

What is James referring to here? Salvation or not?

Syncan:
The thing is just so tiresome. Jesus said its water and spirit....they now say no, its word and spirit.

Philip taught the ethiopian eunuch that its water and went ahead to use water in acts 8....they say its because the ethiopian eunuch was a babe (as if any convert is an adult in the way already)


Peter knowing the importance of the water, insisted on it after the manifestation of the Holy Spirit in Acts 10....They say he used his discretion.


Paul used water on lydia and the others in Acts 16...They have not said anything on it yet.

I don't know why they are afraid of water.

That's not all.

The same person said Jesus didn't tell his apostles to stop water baptism, because he hadn't died and resurrected yet. As if all of Jesus ministry on earth wasn't about telling people to stop wrong, do right; quit the old and come to the new. E.g Matt 5.

Peter said baptism is for remission of sin, the other one said Peter meant say 'Baptism is not for remission of sin.'

Who are these prophets that know more than Jesus, Peter, Philip, Paul etc?

adsonstone:
Do you agree that a banished person can
loose his citizenship when banished?

Yes or No?

Where is the proof that Ekaladerhan stopped being the son of his Bini Father?

Where is the proof that he ever lost his Bini citizenship?

Prove your claim before you start asking diversionary questions.

adsonstone:
My point is proved...even if I don't put up any screenshot, snapshot or link.

Yours is still based on your assumptions.

Seems you want to start going in circles...I don't have that time if you do.

...but before you twist the whole issue;

1. What do you mean by 'bini blood?'
Do u mean 'born by bini parents?'

2. Do you agree that a banished person can loose his citizenship when banished?

3. Are you against the opinion that a person may become the citizen of another place by one of these: naturalization, birth in that place, marriage to a citizen of the place, joining the military of the said place or being the commander of the military...etc.

If you can be honest, we may go on.

Where is the proof that Ekaladerhan stopped being the son of his Bini Father?

Where is the proof that he ever lost his Bini citizenship?

"My point is proved" is not a proof. Sorry.

Prove your claim before you start asking diversionary questions.

adsonstone:
I'm not guessing.
Banishment generally may be with or without citizenship loss.
You're the one assuming he did not loose his citizenship as at when he was banished...and that's the reason you're 'declaring' he was still a bini man...after banishment.
He was a bini man until he was banished.
A banished man in bini history ceases to be a member of the community.
Read the book I mentioned in my earlier post, you'll deduce it from there.

A Bini man is someone with Bini blood.

A Bini Prince is a man who is the biological son of a Bini King.

When did Ekaladerhan lose those two qualities?

Provide a screen shot of where the book says a Bini man ceases to be a Bini man when he's banished.

It's up to you to prove.

disumusa:
so why beating cheast up and down that you want biafara.

Where did I say I wanted Biafra?

I just want a good country.

I'm not stupidd and blinded by bigotry like you.

adsonstone:
Lies setting in.

It is not new anyway, besides, you have your medal already.

....or you want another one?

If it doesn't always entail loss of citizenship, on what grounds are you 'certain' that Ekaladerhan was not a Bini man any longer?

adsonstone:
Like I said, you can believe whatever you choose to...even a lie...just to feed your ego.

By the way, here's a medal for your ignorance

I gave an example of a banished person who didn't lose citizenship.

Yet you want to force it down my throat that banishment always entails loss of citizenship.



Try harder.

OkutaNla:
You are sick and hopeless, dude. You seriously need to get a life, for real, I mean it. Smh.

Because I said Yorubas are more polygamous and promiscuous than Igbos, having more kids out of wedlock?

That's why you're saying all that?

So to you, Yorubas are perfect and anyone who points out their flaws is sick and hopeless?

You're the bigot.

disumusa:
nonsense, you beter think how to guide your future by producing ibo president

I'm not stupidd like you. I don't want an Igbo President. I want a good President, even if he's from Zambia.

Twistaray:
at the bolded, and that's how your draw your home-made stats. That every/all yoruba men are 'randy men that bear children like rats?


Ok oo
Did/do you also know that countless ibo men(in my neighbourhood) bear children like rats?
Did u also know that countless ibo men have 2 or more girl friends out of wedlock, abort as a result of fear and public disgrace?

I hope you will accept mine too.
Deal now?

It is you that said the bold.

Give us verifiable names, as I have done...

...and I will double it with Yoruba names.

OkutaNla:
My own point is that you are a bigot, period. How is any of this your business? These celebrities you listed are not hungry people and are capable of taking care of their offsprings. Tuface Idibia isn't Yoruba, neither is Terry G, Ice Prince isn't, Timaya isn't, Patoranking (Igbo) isn't, Ik Ogbonna (Igbo), Jesse jagz isn't, Oritsefemi isn't. But you would rather pick on the Yoruba ones coz of your warped, twisted and bigoted attitude toward the group. You seriously need help.

Read the first page of this thread...

Tell me who first started picking on who...

The bigot is you, because you didn't find out the Genesis before choosing one side to accuse.

Your bigoted eyes failed to see all the Yorubas calling for the extermination of Igbos and destruction of their lives and properties.

You only choose to attack the one who states the obvious (that Yorubas are more polygamous and promiscuous in marriage than Igbos), without threatening Yorubas, without insults.

OkutaNla:
Lol. The irony in all this is that, one should never write-off children born out of wedlock as examples like Orji Uzor Kalu and Ojukwu have shown . But people like italo are too myopic and bigoted to understand that much.

So if I say Yorubas are more polygamous and promiscuous in marriage, having more children out of wedlock, it means I'm writing off the children?

I thank God that there are still Yorubas who think better than you.

adsonstone:
Just like an excommunicated man is no longer a part of the roman catholic church even though he may return...the same applies to a banished bini man.

I used that example because they are close enough.



Who's trying to force meaning on words?
Are you saying they don't mean what I stated?

Look, young man, you can believe whatever you want to believe, either true or not.


Here's on banishment in ancient rome which may involve loss of citizenship.
global.britannica.com/topic/exile-law

I have suggested you read history...especially on banishment (as a punishment) in the Bini and perhaps, Nigeria as a whole.

This book may help
A Popular History of Benin: The Rise and Fall
of a Mighty Forest Kingdom by Peter M. Roese and Dmitri M. Bondarenko.

From it, you can deduce that a banished man in the bini empire ceases to be a member of the community.


However, as I said earlier, you can choose to believe whatever you want...either true or not-- just to feed your ego.

Bros, I no dey for story. Banishment doesn't necessarily mean "total disconnection" or "loss of citizenship."

It could simply mean "removal" or "ouster." it was you who even wrote that

kuuljay:
Igbos are from Israel time for exodus pls

And Yorubas are from Mecca.

OkutaNla:
Psquare and Flavour aren't Yorubas and are famous. Psquare fathered kids out of wedlock before later marrying their baby moms. Flavor has kids by two different women and has no plan to marry neither anytime soon. These examples are thorough-bred igbos, so what exactly is your point? ?

9ice, Seun Kuti, Femi Kuti, Wizkid, Pasuma...plus the 10 already mentioned equals 15. it seems like the only Yoruba men that live a decent monogamous life are pastors.

My point is Yorubas are far more polygamous and promiscuous with marriage and having kids than Igbos. The Igbos value a strong and decent monogamous family unit far more than Yorubas.

What is your own point.

EzeUche:
Lagos is Yorubaland. Enough of this nonsense from my fellow Igbos. If Nigeria was to divide, Lagos would go to the Yorubas so why bother in claiming a land that is not our own?

We have Enugu, Aba, Onitsha, Umuahia, Owerri and other cities in the East that can all be great because of Igbo ingenuity.

Who claimed Lagos?

Where and when?

Twistaray:
All that all you can come up?
Those are celebrities and most celebrities are promiscuous by nature.
And so what? This is a norm in the states as well.

Twistaray:
Same goes for ibo in my area.
Do you belief my story too
Accept mine and I may consider yours as well

See your life? We all have story to tell oo
Fire yours make I fire mine after we both are on air.. anything goes just like you have been pulling stats from your akpu head ke

Obasanjo, Ebenezer Obey, Sunny Ade and countless other Yoruba randy men that bear children like rats and can't count them...

...aren't in my neighbourhood.

Everyone knows them

Twistaray:
And how many are they, percentage?
Cheii
Why boring this dude (twistara) this night with the same line while I keep trying to correct you over and over again.

You whatever assumption, randy or not is base on you conclusion not in generality.

I've told u over and over again oo
Celebrities are polygamy, promiscuous by nature, infact, 90 % men.
It's a well known facts, it's on record and i'm sure ibo men are not exempted as well.

I won't teach u again oo ha an

Assumption, assumption, hearsays upon hearsays.

I can share mine about my ibo neighbours will you belief me, accept?
See? We all can make up stories.
Anyway. Do let me know if you want to hear the same about my ibo neighbours, abortion, flirt, how ibo girls in my area distributes their toottoo to yoruba guys and what have you?

Abeg e jare
Yan me another tori make I nak u mine too about ibo

I tire for u oo
Hehehe

Obasanjo, Ebenezer Obey, Sunny Ade and countless other Yoruba randy men that bear children like rats and can't count them...

...aren't in my neighbourhood.

Everyone knows them.

Twistaray:
And how many are they, percentage?
Cheii
Why boring this dude (twistara) this night with the same line while I keep trying to correct you over and over again.

You whatever assumption, randy or not is base on you conclusion not in generality.

I've told u over and over again oo
Celebrities are polygamy, promiscuous by nature, infact, 90 % men.
It's a well known facts, it's on record and i'm sure ibo men are not exempted as well.

I won't teach u again oo ha an

They are randy Yoruba men who don't know the number of children they have.

Twistaray:
I see? Assertion, facts was drawn from your neighbourhood?
Na wa oo

Randy Yoruba Christians that everyone can verify...

...not the equally randy ones in my neighbourhood that you'll claim you don't know

Obasanjo, Ebenezer Obey, Sunny Ade and countless other Yoruba randy men that bear children like rats and can't count them...

...aren't in my neighbourhood.

Everyone knows them.

adsonstone:
What are you saying?

Does 'not mentioning' those words translate to not 'meaning' them?
So, because the bible does not explicitly state that a 'Man in Christ' has a 'new beginning,' it means he doesn't have a new beginning, right?

Think.


ex- ile
[eg-zahyl, ek-sahyl]
noun
1. expulsion from one's native land by
authoritative decree.

2.the fact or state of such expulsion:
to live in exile.

Exile means to be away from one's home (i.e. city, state or country), while either being
explicitly refused permission to return and/or
being threatened with imprisonment or death
upon return. It can be a form of punishment and solitude.
-Wikipedia

The bold is sufficient to say that he's no longer a part of the community.



On your Baard story;
1. 'Banished' people are allowed to live within the country, though remote areas.

That deviates from banished being defined.

2. Their ban had terms.
So, your reference is of no use.

I can see you want to start clutching at straws.

Mr man, banishment doesn't necessarily mean "loss of citizenship" or "total disconnection" from ones country.

Expulsion too doesn't mean those.

Even your post shows that banishment could simply mean ouster or removal.

I have also given at least a good example of one who was banished but remain a citizen.

Stop trying to force your meaning on words.

Twistaray:
Are those not celebrities and influential people/men?
Na wa for you..oo

Randy Yoruba Christians that everyone can verify...

...not the equally randy ones in my neighbourhood that you'll claim you don't know.

Barnabaseloka:
You do not carefully read people's posts to understand them.
1. Yes, it was correct that the Gentiles would be saved by their conscience in Rom.2. But Rom.3 tells us how ANYONE (Jews and Gentiles) are put right with God TODAY. It is no more of conscience or of the law but ONLY through FAITH in Christ Jesus.

2. What effect/s will the spiritual touch have on such a person?

3. I can't answer your question about the person who has never heard about Jesus b/c it is based on assumptions. How can you tell that he has not heard of it or that he hears it but does not understand?
Regarding a two-year old, he has not come of age to make his own choice of following Jesus. When he dies, God will accept him.

1. So as St Paul picked his pen and started writing, when he got to Rom 2, God's teaching was that Gentiles can be judged by their conscience...

Then he continued writing, when he got to chapter 3, God's teaching changed to 'Gentiles will not be judged by conscience anymore?'

2. CCC 1213 Holy Baptism is the basis of the whole Christian life, the gateway to life in the Spirit (vitae spiritualis ianua), and the door which gives access to the other sacraments. Through Baptism we are freed from sin and reborn as sons of God; we become members of Christ, are incorporated into the Church and made sharers in her mission: "Baptism is the sacrament of regeneration through water in the word."

3. Meaning people can be saved without being born again or repentance?

Also show me where the Bible said the bold.

And bestiality and infanticide are on the rise in America.

Twistaray:
So, so far what's your (so called percentage) ?
Apart from celebrities, you and I know that most' and islam approved more than more a wife.
Abeg anything else?

Obasanjo is a Christian, Fela wasn't Muslim, Sunny Ade too, Ebenezer Obey

They had uncountable children.

Twistaray:
I knew it from the start that you are going to end up disgracing yourself and eventually you didn't disappoint me at all..thanks for that o'jare

Mr man are those not celebrities??
And what's the percentage of the above mention out of millions of faithful,loving, handsome yoruba men out there,devoid of polygamy and promiscuous?

See he head u for mention D.k olukoya, kumiyi,T.b joshua,adeboye since to you many (even those unknown) yoruba married men to you are promiscuous and polygamy.

Didn't I gave American celebrities as an example and nature of men celebrities being naturally polygamy and promiscuous??
Na wa for u oo Ngoze ehn

MKO, Okoya, Tinubu, Alaafin of Oyo, Davido

hahn:
The truth is that you guys are arguing over a lie

Which lie?

MuttleyLaff:
Jesus at one time allowed the apostles to carry out water baptisms, He however, personally never water baptised anyone

He did, like for example, in Mark 16:14-16
but you do know what John the Baptist relating to all this, said in Matthew 3:11, Luke 3:16 and Mark 1:8 respectively

He left whatever labour of love work there is, for all of us

None of those verses say 'stop water baptism. It's unnecessary.'

And no verse says 'Jesus NEVER Baptized with water'

But then, you're the one who corrects all the scripture writers.