Christianity Etc › Re: Are We Saved By Faith Or By Water Baptism? by italo: 5:24pm On Jun 21, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: The sarcasms in this post of yours doesn't change the truths brother. Yes it doesn't change the truth that Jesus and his apostles taught and practiced the wrong things. thanks for correcting them. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Are We Saved By Faith Or By Water Baptism? by italo: 5:21pm On Jun 21, 2015 |
Barnabaseloka: This is not english class. I used past tense b/c I was reporting what Paul said, so do not be worked up at all. Yes Paul was writing about the Jews and the Gentiles who were still living after Jesus died, resurrected and ascended into heaven. What you are holding onto is in Rom.2, and Rom.3 is a continuation of Rom.2. So while reading do not stop at Rom.2, go farther than that for better understanding.
Remember that the Gentiles though without the law, would do that which the law required by nature. Being that the law iwas written in their hearts and their conscience bore witness to it, accusing or excusing them.
What I explained in Rom.2 was what Paul wanted the Jews to know about God justifying them by the DEEDSS of thr law. But in Rom.3 Paul made it clear how one would be justified by God today. It is no more of the law (whether of the Jews whom the law was given, or of the Gentiles who had the law written in their hearts, though without the law). One is justified by FAITH in Christ Jesus today (whether Jews or Gentiles). The best way to understand the book of Romans is to read it chapter by chapter. This helps you know which things have gone away and which things have taken over.
2. Your answer 'Jesus will touch them' as regards repentance and believing in Jesus is not clear enough to me. Is it physical or spiritual touch? What effect will the touch have in such life?
3. As regards one who does not believe in Jesus as a result of not hearing about Him but has good works: How do you ascertain that he has not heard about Jesus? Or is it that he does not understand what is talked about? John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 18. He who believes in Him is NOT CONDEMNED; but he who does not believe is CONDEMNED ALREADY, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son Of God 1 John 5:12 He who has the Son has (eternal) life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have (eternal) life. 2 Corinth 5:17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away, behold all things have become new. From the above verses, we can see that ANYONE who has not believed in Christ Jesus (though he has good works) does not have eternal life.
The passages below show that the works of the law do no longer justify anyone before God (whether Jews or Gentiles) but only FAITH in Christ Jesus. Gal.2:15 We who are Jews by nature and not sinners of the Gentiles. 16. Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by FAITH in Christ Jesus , even we have believed in Christ Jesus that we might be justified by FAITH in Christ and NOT by the WORKS of the law, for by the WORKS of the law, NO FLESH shall be justified. Gal.3:7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. 8. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would JUSTIFY the GENTILES by FAITH , preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand saying, In you, ALL the nations shall be blessed. 9. So then those who are of FAITH are blessed with the believing Abraham. 23. But before FAITH came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24. Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ that we might be JUSTIFIED by FAITH. 25. But after faith has come, we are no longer under any tutor. 26. For you are ALL sons of God through FAITH in Christ Jesus. 28. There is neither Jew nor Greek...for you are all one in Christ Jesus. In Christ, God does not recognise one as a Jew or a Gentile but as His child. 1. Is Romans 2 correct that Gentiles will be judged by conscience? Or is it wrong? 2. Jesus will touch them physically and spiritually. 3. Just assume a person never hears about Christ...or a two-year old...that dies can they be saved? |
Politics › Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo(op): 10:21pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
Twistaray: At the bolded are you using that,movie to back up your claim? I here you oo Shalewa or Bimbo is you home-made until proven with facts, any? Yes i'm honest. It's like saying all ibo women are prostitutes because most are. You get?  Fact is the five yoruba randy men I mentioned. Some of them have so many children by different women that they don't know how many children they have. How many children do Sunny Ade and Obasanjo have? Assignment - 30 marks! |
Politics › Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo(op): 9:07pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
Twistaray: The moment you are ready to switch you comedy mode do let me know. 
Now tell, is ibo tribe devoud of promiscuous or polygamy?
I don't know how many yoruba family you've came in contact with that so much that you ar e certain 1 out of 3 yoruba married yoruba men have a child out of wedlock.
Prove your point with facts abeg and stop feeling ontop of the world already  Obasanjo, Sunny Ade, Ebenezer Obey, Fela, Femi Fani Kayode All married multiple Some had many children out of wedlock Some did both. I grew up in Lagos. I know Yorubas well. How many Yoruba bus drivers, okada riders, artisans etc do a proper marriage before impregnating Shalewa or Bimbo? Mention one Yoruba movie without infidelity or promiscuity in it. Just one out of one million. I know you can't be honest to yourself...just be honest to your fellow yorubas reading this |
Politics › Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo(op): 8:58pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
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Politics › Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo(op): 8:56pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
Twistaray: Cheii  What shall we not see on NL. Prove beyond reasonable doubt that it's not just sub-yoruba group (ilorin ) or ishhhhh ya akpu mouth abeg sub yoruba is yoruba |
Christianity Etc › Re: Are We Saved By Faith Or By Water Baptism? by italo: 8:54pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: Got a bit of your attention there, have I?
No, I am not saying such, I had never said such nor anything close or like that. Why would Jesus correct when He hasnt died and resurrected yet, when He isnt yet in glory? Why are you expecting that?
Nope, I dont but I know about the baptism with the Holy Spirit and with fire in Luke 3:16
Luke 3:15-16 15Everyone was expecting the Messiah to come soon, and they were eager to know whether John might be the Messiah. 16John answered their questions by saying, “I baptize you with water; but someone is coming soon who is greater than I am —so much greater that I’m not even worthy to be his slave and untie the straps of his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire
Whatever is written in the Bible is not wrong. I cant vouch same for the translations though. An example, is your favourite "Matthew 28:19" where insertions or additions to the original text were made, to end up with what we presently have as "Matthew 28:19"
Seems you forgot to add or put "initially" in between "they were" and "instructed to "water baptise"" They were initially instructed to baptise with water just as John the Baptist was doing in
John 3:22 22Then Jesus and his disciples left Jerusalem and went into the Judean countryside. Jesus spent some time with them there, baptizing people 23At this time John the Baptist was baptizing at Aenon, near Salim, because there was plenty of water there; and people kept coming to him for baptism. 24(This was before John was thrown into prison.) 25A debate broke out between John’s disciples and a certain Jew over ceremonial cleansing. 26So John’s disciples came to him and said, “Rabbi, the man you met on the other side of the Jordan River, the one you identified as the Messiah, is also baptizing people. And everybody is going to him instead of coming to us.” 27John replied, “No one can receive anything unless God gives it from heaven. 28You yourselves know how plainly I told you, ‘I am not the Messiah. I am only here to prepare the way for him.’ 29It is the bridegroom who marries the bride, and the best man is simply glad to stand with him and hear his vows. Therefore, I am filled with joy at his success. 30He must become greater and greater, and I must become less and less. 31“He has come from above and is greater than anyone else. We are of the earth, and we speak of earthly things, but he has come from heaven and is greater than anyone else
John 4:1 1Jesusa knew the Pharisees had heard that he was baptizing and making more disciples than John 2(though Jesus himself didn’t baptize them—his disciples did). I see where the problem is. We are following what Jesus and his apostles/Church taught and practised...including translations... Little do we know that many of those aren't correct/necessary. You're the chief teacher/interpreter of Christianity. You correct even Jesus' teaching. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Are We Saved By Faith Or By Water Baptism? by italo: 8:44pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: My guy, instead of dishing up mouthfuls that can make some gag with a throw up closely behind, sometimes it's safe and better this way, handing out bits & bite snacks to nibble on
It is difficult to break an old habit, that is why They learned it from Jesus before He died and resurrected
The person who is truly sincere about knowing the truth finds it, the other finds and sees excuses.
Yes, toned down to suit your palate. I dont want to over-tantalize your taste buds So Jesus taught the apostles to baptize with water but he never told them to stop it, that it wasn't necessary. He left the job for you. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Are We Saved By Faith Or By Water Baptism? by italo: 8:39pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
Barnabaseloka: Yes, I wrote the bolded, but why do you accuse me of lying? I laugh when I read some of your posts. The way you read some passages in the bible and interpret them directly without checking other passages is quite unimaginable. P/s learn to study the scriptures in order to correlate passages with passages.
I will summarize the verses you quoted in simple terms: 1. Paul made the Jews to understand that God would accept them only if they obeyed the law given to them and not by having the law. 2. He went ahead to point out that if Gentiles who did not have the law obeyed what were written in the law by nature, they would be accepted by God and justified. 3.The Jews who had the law were no different from the Gentiles who did not have the law, yet obeyed it by nature. 4. If the Gentiles obeyed the law, though not having the law, it showed that the law had been written in their hearts. 5. Their conscience also would bear witness of the law written in their hearts in that what they did would either excuse them or accuse them. 6. The jews and the Gentiles, therefore were without excuse in God's sight.
When I said those that died before Jesus paid for the sins of the world, being judged by their conscience, I talk of the Gentiles. Now ANYONE (whether a Jew or a Gentile) is put right with God through FAITH in Christ only, not by the law anymore. I will support this with few scriptures. Rom.3:9 What then? Are we (Jews) better than they (Gentiles)? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are ALL under sin. 20. Therefore, by the DEEDS of the law, NO FLESH will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21. But NOW the righteousness of God APART FROM the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the prophets, 22. even the righteousness of God, through FAITH in Jesus Christ, to ALL and on ALL who believe. For there is NO DIFFERENCE. 23. For ALL (Jews and Gentiles) have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. 24. Being JUSTIFIED freely by His GRACE (not law) through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.
Then, Paul told the Jews that anyone who obeyed the law would be justified by God. But now, he has made us know that it is only through our FAITH in Jesus that both Jews and Gentiles will be justified. If you want more passages, I will be willing to post them also.
I ask you again: What will Jesus do in the life of someone who hears the word of God, repents and believes in Him? Paul wrote that about Gentiles living after Jesus' death...because he spoke in present and future tense, saying: Rom 2:14 When Gentiles, who do not possess the law, do instinctively what the law requires, these, though not having the law, are a law to themselves. 15 They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, to which their own conscience also bears witness; and their conflicting thoughts will accuse or perhaps excuse them 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God, through Jesus Christ, will judge the secret thoughts of all. Do you want to edit the scripture and insert past tense there so that Paul can use the verses to talk to people who lived before Christ? My answer to your question: Jesus will touch him. What will Jesus do to the soul of one who never hears about Christ but does good according to conscience...and dies? |
Politics › Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo(op): 8:26pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
Twistaray: Case closed. OBA is yoruba and it's consider/well know yoruba word for KING which has been adopted by bini  Ode ni oo  Binis colonized your lands...named your towns, foisted their chieftaincy titles on you...collected tributes and sent to Oba in Benin... ...and adopted one word from you, according to you... And you're dancing happily.  |
Politics › Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo(op): 8:21pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
macof: No it matters that you are igbo
In all this earth only you igbos don't know your origins and claim anything that seems attractive, today it's israel, tomorrow its Egypt. in all southern Nigeria, only you disregard your ancestral Spirituality, and in all africa only you have lost so much of your identity and are fast becoming westernized, in all Nigeria it is you that pick a fight with other ethnic groups
You need to go to ur disgusting quaters to face your problems and stop attacking others. .. But you won't do the needful, you lot prefer to just sit in one corner to attack Hausas, Fulani, Ijaw, Edo but mostly Yorubas. ..you know what your problem is? Jealousy! An underachieved people who prefer to attack others by calming history for others while your history is dead
Anytime you foolish people want to attack yoruba you do it with fulani or Bini why not face yoruba directly? Underachieved wasted people
Why not open a thread on Oweeri or any town, let's read your history if you even know it wasted bunch of silly people You come here insulting a people that are better organized tthan you
The only fact here(one that can be verified by simply going down to these places and conduct a research.) is that Bini warriors settled in Eko and were received by the Aromire (an Idejo chief)..today the Bini lineages call the Aromire lineages by "onile" meaning "land owner"...the Bini lineages in Lagos today do not call themselves Bini but Yoruba. ..Oba Akiolu today is a Yoruba man of Awori stock Lagos is no man's land according to Lagos Govt. Hit your head on the wall. |
Politics › Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo(op): 8:18pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
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Politics › Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo(op): 8:16pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
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Politics › Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo(op): 7:48pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
macof: You are still displaying the same stupidity 1. You don't speak Bini...so you don't know 2. Those two names are different, they not only mean different (although similar) things 3. Lemme use examples here, seeing as you are born to be stuupid - Ian and John mean the same thing But I can't be named John and answer Ian. ..same way an Imadoduwa cannot answer Izoduwa
I don't need to tell you the meaning of Oduduwa...go and learn yoruba language if u want to figure the name out
another false claim by an igbo iidiot...Yoruba is a name given by the Songhai of Mali Btw It's actually the yorubas who slaved fulanis not the other way Oduduwa has no meaning abeg! And he didn't fall from the sky! |
Politics › Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo(op): 7:47pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
Twistaray: See you stupidity in public Didn't bolded part engulp all . So then provide the name of over 5million yoruba men worldwide that enage in polygamy or? Iishhh yaa mouth  Insult now, I love it when an igbo man vex..e dey sweet my belle I just thank that not all Yorubas are this daft. |
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Catholics by italo: 5:53pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
Good afternoon.
God bless you all. |
Politics › Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo(op): 5:27pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
Twistaray: To be frank? The word OBA ' is derived from yoruba language : kabiesi, OBA.
Can you back you own made claim,yoruba as a whole or sub of yoruba? Yoruba is Yoruba. The subjects of Bini Prince Ekaladerhan. |
Politics › Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo(op): 5:25pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
Twistaray: Since you are more than certain that indeed, according to you' all? Considering the fact that yoruba male population is above 5million, could u please list and mention of names of yoruba over 5million who engages in polygamy?
Yes. I can provide and back my claim most ibo men push drugs and ladies are into (80% )prostitution. Are you using your brain at all? Do I have to mention 170million Nigerian names to prove that Nigerians are generally warm? Do I need to mention 1.5 billion Chinese names to show that Chinese are generally short? You seem to be in enmity with truth. I even made it easy for you. I say mention one, I'll mention two... Yet you can't take the challenge. I said gimme one Igbo in illegal biz and I'll give you 10 legits.....Yet you're afraid Just admit the truth |
Politics › Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo(op): 5:02pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
Twistaray: I hope you won't also consider it hate while I remind you that 80% ibo ladies outside SE/within are into prostitution?
If I say, most are into illegal activities, push drugs?
I hope you won't see that as hate as well?  If it is reasonable enough, it wouldn't be hate. But there's nothing to indicate that what you said is true...so I might see it as hate or stupidity. Give me one SE name into illegal biz or prostitution and I'll give you 10 names that arent. Real verifiable names, no fiction. But if you can give me the name of one yoruba man that has no child out of wedlock, married one wife, I'll give you 2 that are polygamous/promoscuous...to buttress my point. If you give me reason to change my opinion, I will. It's reason, not emotions. Truth is truth whether you like it or not |
Politics › Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo(op): 4:55pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
Twistaray: Is the word 'OBA' derive from yoruba language or bini language? Answer and quit salivating  And..ermmmm point of correction, yoruba sub-group not yoruba. Didn't link proved that? Dispute it with fact how you came to the conclusion when you wrote' yoruba ' rather than ilorin/bini.
 To be frank, I don't know where the word came from. But I know that Ekaladerhan owned yoruba and their language. |
Politics › Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo(op): 4:50pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
Twistaray: The e-rat is a bigot, known one and yoruab hater.
 Check the screen shot below Who told you that is hatred? If I say Arabs are aggressive and tend to be extremists, is that hatred? If I say Chinese are short, is that hatred? If I say yorubas are...(let me see) they tend to be more polygamous than Igbos, is that hatred? As I speak to you I'm in Shomolu with my long time friends, having fun on a rainy Saturday. Most are yoruba. I love them and thank God I met them. Because of them, I know that not all yorubas are as stupidd as you and the others like you here. |
Politics › Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo(op): 4:39pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
Twistaray: The e-rat is a bigot, known one and yoruab hater.
 Check the screen shot below but it's true na... Everyone knows that many Igbo girls are naturally fair...and don't need to bleach na...and that Yoruba girls are usually dark but many turn red, white and multi-coloured. No be say Igbo no dey bleach but una bleach pass. Saying the truth is not bigotry. |
Politics › Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo(op): 4:35pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
Twistaray: god?? Hehehehe And at the bolded are you kidding me? You are not intelligent at all for that statement. Get hold of yaaa self joor 
Until you tell me why the word 'OBA' is being adopted by bini and how the so called master would chose to adopt the language of the so called slave.
What tribe/language the word 'OBA' derived from? You never see anything. Today na today/saturday  Ohh you use smaleys too now? We are getting there. From the Yoruba language of the Yoruba subject of Bini Prince Ekaladerhan Imadoduwa. The master is the owner of the slave and the slave's language. He can do anything with it. If Ekaladerhan liked, he could even tell Yoruba people to stop talking altogether.  |
Politics › Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo(op): 3:57pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
Twistaray: Eyah Tanta what? I guess you are referring to igbo women. 
And where is ibo candidate, despite all your ranting? Now, go down on your knees and thank you luck that the OBA demand was met else? Oya praise GOD lagoon would be your case if jimi had won Ibo have no say in lagos/nigeria politics hence while you want out, crying brafraud on a daily basis because you are being marginalised.  Tell me another tori joor All mouth no action. Are there no igbos in your neighbourhood? Go and touch one of them na! |
Politics › Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo(op): 3:54pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
Twistaray: No they are not. They are yorubas, sub of yoruba. Cleared now? and the immigrant among us are well known as well.
Oops at the bolded? Could you please answer this question? What language do the word OBA derived from, who owns the word ' OBA'? And why it is been adopted in bini from ?  Any question? Ode  Yoruba or Yoruba as your Fulani slave masters called you were owned by Bini Prince Ekaladerhan Imadoduwa that you call Oduduwa. Sorry to bust your bubble. Oduduwa didn't fall from the sky. Ordinary Bini Prince that was exiled became your god in Yaribaland. |
Politics › Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo(op): 3:38pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
Twistaray: At the bolded... ishhhhhhh I love life 
And yes in nigeria not their land, so serve the interest of yoruba. Most especially use you build SW after which we'll then consider you and let you go. You get? We are getting there.
Failed you wrote? Ok I will pardon your ignorance. Yes. To you they did and that's why ambode won lagos state. Your misguided Oba said if anyone voted against his choice, the person would end in the lagoon within one week. That if it didn't happen, his is not His father's son. 500000 people voted against his choice, not one entered lagoon. So who is your Oba's father? Dont be surprised it's an Igbo man. You know Yoruba women like to spread their tentacles. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Are We Saved By Faith Or By Water Baptism? by italo: 3:17pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
Barnabaseloka: When one believes in Jesus at the point of hearing the word of God on repentance and salvation, what will Jesus do in the life of such a person? I did not contradict the bible. Go and read my post on it. I have answered you on this. Lying as usual! Below is what you said: Those that died before Jesus paid the price for the sins of the world will be judged by their conscience. But after His death and resurrection, God puts anyone right with Himself through his/her faith in Christ Jesus ONLY. Here's what St. Paul said after Christ's death: Rom 2:14 When Gentiles, who do not possess the law, do instinctively what the law requires, these, though not having the law, are a law to themselves. 15 They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, to which their own conscience also bears witness; and their conflicting thoughts will accuse or perhaps excuse them 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God, through Jesus Christ, will judge the secret thoughts of all. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Are We Saved By Faith Or By Water Baptism? by italo: 3:07pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: Ouch! No!! Tell me you didnt go for Matt 28:19 I knew you'll rise to that bait and go for Matt 28:19 but prayed and hope you would have the sense not to You said nothing, as usual. MuttleyLaff: I didnt think he was commanded to either but was wondering why Jesus didnt command him to "invocation of the Holy Trinity". He did afterall commanded John to get on with it when John was hesistating water baptising Jesus Well, I have nothing to do with what you're wondering. MuttleyLaff: I did see it italo, I stand to be corrected your sprinkling format is how RCC does theirs but most churches, if not all, like in pentecostals, practice water immersion and particularly triune water baptism I know that Jesus instituted only one Church - the Catholic Church. What do you mean by "most churches?" Are you saying there is more than one Church? MuttleyLaff: It is always the word or spirit baptism italo, without the word or spirit of God no one can enter the Kingdom Can a man baptize another man with the Holy Spirit? MuttleyLaff: This whole thing, is like already winning a 100m dash race and later waiting or later given a medal for a race already or previously won It's just an outward exercise, no one can take the fact and truth away that one won the race The medal, whether gold, sliver or bronze is just an outward symbol or appearance that shows as evidence for something earlier won It's all wash, a ceremony, a ritual, a rite, an award podium ceremony. That's your fake explanation. The Bible never said so. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Are We Saved By Faith Or By Water Baptism? by italo: 2:47pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: He got his get this teaching same place from where he initially refused to eat with a Gentile
Baba Ijebu, you really want to get your money's worth. Try John the Baptist and Jesus before resurrection for starters
I know the Apostles were initially instructed to water baptise, but not necessarily "baptise with water" after Jesus resurrected italo. You'll be amazed to know that one gets baptised with other things apart from literal water Interesting. So are you saying that Peter and all the others who baptized with water were getting it wrong...Yet Jesus or no one else corrected them. You know better than Jesus and all the apostles, then. Then all things written in the Bible could be wrong and are subject to your ratification. Please explain the bold. I'd like to know where they were instructed to "water baptize." |
Christianity Etc › Re: Are We Saved By Faith Or By Water Baptism? by italo: 2:38pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
Barnabaseloka: You amuse me a lot. Philip and the believers in Jesus followed the instruction on baptism that Jesus gave in Mark 16:15-16 and Mt.28:18. Jesus did not talk about baptism in John 3:5. What do you understand by one being born again? I already answered the bold. Meanwhile you're yet to tell me why you contradict the Bible on Gentiles being saved by their conscience. Still dodging that. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Are We Saved By Faith Or By Water Baptism? by italo: 2:35pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: You're ahead of me in that area, you do a better work with meaningless banter than me
That and more italo
Ah-ha! There you are. Yes! Very true, Peter brought it up first. Peter used his discretion to offer it to them without them instigate first. Bros. You keep beating around the bush. Why did all the apostles baptize with water? Where did they learn it from that they had to do so? You keep give all sorts of flimsy excuses. "Peter used discretion" "Philip didn't want to force-feed" "Eunuch was a babe" "Eunuch was a babe and more" |
Christianity Etc › Re: Are We Saved By Faith Or By Water Baptism? by italo: 12:43pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: I honestly do feel like giving you a bear hug italo. I just love your forthright honesty and admire your unashamed naivety
Where is or which verse did you find this Trinitarian formula from? and are you sure of the authenticity of this verse compared with the original text? Matt28:19 MuttleyLaff: Did John the Baptist perform this your " invocation of the Holy Trinity" version for Jesus too? No. He wasn't commanded to. MuttleyLaff: Now, here is me answering any questions you have for me ...including and starting with the bold.
On the day of pentecost that 3000 were baptised, where, which place and how was this done? This was for my benefit, as I am trying to gauge or find out: #1. how much you know about Jerusalem, its topograph, especially in relation to water(s) #2. what yours and the accepted general view is on the format used and how the water baptism was done or carried out
Considering the time of day, how long did it take to baptise each of those 3000? This is the thing italo, baptism is not an exclusive word for water baptism. There is baptism of Fire, people get immersed in their studies or book, people get immersed in hobbies etc
OK, I know most churches, if not all, practise triune baptism but you earlier suggested just "the invocation of the Holy Trinity" as carried out by the Apostles doing baptism with water, either as water sprinkling, water pouring or immersion in water.
italo please note, that Acts 2:41 verse is silent on "water baptism", as it only said they were "baptised"
Acts 2:41 Those who believed what Peter said were baptized and added to the church that day--about 3,000 in all.
Say for discussion sake, that immersion in water was used, wow this will be an all day affair, possibly spilling to the next day, dont you think
"Considering the time of day, how long did it take to baptise each of those 3000?" was a "SMOKE OUT" question. Used to force someone out of a place, in order to reveal something Did you not see where I showed how 3000 people could easily have been baptized with water in 2mins? You still didn't answer my question: Which baptism did the people I mentioned get? Water, word or Spirit baptism? |