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1Pet5:13

Babylon was a code name for Rome.

Show me where scripture told you Peter never went to Rome.

OLAADEGBU:
Give us at least one Scriptural evidence and I do not mean the "evidence" that comes from your church tradition that only started in the 4th century.

"Hitler was never excommunicated by name, but as leader of the Nazi party, he was obviously included within the February 1931 edict of the Conference of German Bishops excommunicating all leaders and active members of the Nazi party"-http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_people_excommunicated_by_the_Roman_Catholic_Church

So my dear, Hitler was excommunicated.

Read and learn. Dont be like that lunatic that hacked urbanmystique's acc

UrbanMystique:
you mean I should just follow things written by anybody on Wikipedia without proper documentation? No wonder you god loving freaks believe Noah saved every animals from flood with a canoe because it was written in a book without proper documentation.
As far as we know, Hitler was Catholic, he never denied it, he never killed Catholic members but the Jews.

But the way, why did you ignore catholicism?

Liked I said earlier, you are just an ignorant slowpoke who reads only what appeals to his delusion.

And stop repeating the same crap... If you have nothing meaningful to say. If I say that aliens are bad according to one of marvels book. I don't have to believe aliens are real to analyze the book or your delusion.

Let me know who I'm talking to first.

Are you the one who said Hitler killed only Jews ...or did a lunatic hack your account?

http://www.zenit.org/en/articles/archives-show-church-excommunicated-nazisHe denied the faith by his actions...hence, he excommunicated himself.

And the Church too excommunicated him.

Longstride:
but he never denounced his faith, and was never excommunicated.

Confirmed Catholic at fifteen. AntiCatholic as an adult.

Just like many nairaland Atheists.

That he was confirmed as a teenager doesnt mean he didnt become anticatholic.

His actions clearly prove he was anticatholic.

Longstride:
LOL ....you're [img][/img]sidestepping the point ... I'm sure I didn't say Hitler didn't kill Christians.

Even if Hitler killed all the priests and nuns in the world, and you call me ignorant one million times, it still doesn't change the fact that he was a Baptised and Confirmed Catholic. Christians kill themselves everyday it's nothing new.


Next?

You tell me to use the internet. Alright.

The internet tells me that Hitler persecuted Christians...particularly targeting prietsts and nuns for extermination.Read and tell me if you agree or you still choose to wallow in the bliss of your ignorance. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims

Longstride:
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1. It Proves they are not anti-christian ...like you accused Hitler of being earlier..... Hitler was a baptised and confirmed Catholic.



Use your internet.

2. If you couldn't understand my previous1 post, as low as I brought it, then it's not your fault, don't be despaired... IQs aren't equal.

Longstride:
you're helping me prove my point.
You believe in the bible so you should be establishing that god was the most brutal mass murderer in history.
Even if Atheists were the worst mass murderers in history, you're in no position to point a finger because you believe the bible, and it says your god did worse... Your point would have been valid if you weren't a christian.

Let me dumb it down.
-You believe Atheists were the worst mass murderers in history.
-You believe in the bible.
-The bible, on many occasions shows that god did worse than any human.
Now, are you in any position to point fingers?
I hope this is simple enough for you to understand.







Adolf Hitler and Pope
https://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images-8/hitler-and-the-pope.jpg

1. Let me illustrate how stupidd your post was...do the pics below prove that all those people are Catholics?

Use your brain.

2. If you can cite the Bible as evidence of anything, then I can cite it as evidence of God's existence. Agreed? In that case, your belief is out of the window.

bolaino:
do you really want to air the dirty linen of the catholic world for all to see?

There is nothing hidden.

Air the dirty linen of the Catholic Church...and other religions, including Atheism...

Then air the fine linen of the Catholic Church...and other religions, including Atheism (if they have any)

We will see that the Catholic Church is the best thing that ever happened to the world.

Start from the link I gave you. Have you read it...or are you content with ignorance?

unlimitedbosco:
Are they listening (those in power in churches) when u talk about this things and a better way of doing things they say u can not teach an old dog new tricks. My reason of bring ht here ir to knw wether am alone in this

I know it is difficult to change what has been happening for decades. I used to complain a lot about many things in my parish...I still do. But at a point in time, I took it upon myself to start trying to change things.

It is a process. I have joined committees. I have written to the Parish Priest. Some of the changes I wanted to see started happening. Some started happening years after I started fighting for them. Some may never happen.

Regarding harvest and bazaar...do you know a better way a parish can meet the objectives? Have you proposed it to your Parish Priest? Have you volunteered yourself to join the harvest planning committee so you can make the current method better?

If you haven't, I think you have very little moral right to complain here.

if you haven't can you tell us your better suggestions, let's analyze it and see if each one here should propose it to his/her parish?

On a side note, some of those people who have been working on the 'outdated' method... I think we all owe them gratitude. They have been giving their time, energy, resources to keep our parishes going...the best way they know. While some of us gurus have been complaining all the while without lifting a finger all along.

please dont let what I said offend you. Those were the same things I told myself before I started being more active in my parish activities.

Now when I complain, I feel better, because no one can ask me "Mr, what have you done?"

Now when I complain, they even listen more...and give me the chance to implement those ideas.

thanks.

OLAADEGBU:
Don't deceive yourself. There is no evidence that Peter went to Rome. He preached the first message at Pentecost after Christ's resurrection where 3,000 people got saved.

There is evidence. Scriptural, historical and scientific.

OLAADEGBU:
They are wolves in sheep's clothings cosying up to another Christ.

You alone are for the 'real' Christ ehn?

The Christ whose Church on earth cannot be found. It is a secret cult.

OLAADEGBU:
The Peter that you Pope is successor to is different from the Peter Christ gave that instruction to. And the Christ you are referring to is different from Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0047/0047_01.asp

All those your protestant leaders know you are telling lies. That's why they are flocking to the Pope to be fed.

bolaino:
Hitler was a christian, Osama bin laden was a muslim, one killed for Jesus The other killed for Muhammad, but they had one thing in common, They were both psychotic killers. They believed in ethnic/religious extermination, if you look at the history of modern humanity, you'll see the Evils these Religions have caused us all, did the catholics not kill millions of people in the name of Jesus, is boko haram not killing people today because of Muhammad. These two Abrahamic religions are the major causes of war and destruction in this world, If people are not stealing, raping and causing disaffection in the name of Jesus, They would be beheading and Killing innocent people in the name of Muhammad, I wish I could be alive to watch these two Religions go extinct, the truth is You have every tendency of being dangerous as long as you're a christian or muslim. Bigots.

The bold are false.

Hitler persecuted the Catholic Church violently, even killing many clergy.

Atheist are the worst mass murderers in history. Read about Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il, Lenin etc

Read to see how the Catholic Church built the civilization you now hold so dear:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Western_civilization

UrbanMystique:
yeah. Chronic denial. adolph Hitler suddenly became anti Christians immediately he became a mass murderer. I'm sure he won't be anti Christians if he was philanthropist.

You mean like Catholic killed and enslaved in million during the days of catholicism? Or how jihad murdered millions to subdue nations.

Which of the said leaders claimed to be atheist? .. For all we know, most of them have root in Christianity or Islam or probably learn one or two things from their delusions.

The god you preach and claim he exists is nothing but a mass murderer according to crappy book you people distribute to people. Or you have another god apart from the ones in Bible and quoran?

1. Adolf Hitler was anti Christian. Read to see how he violently persecuted the Catholic Church http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_persecution_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Germany and tell us what you learnt.

Or are you content with your ignorance?

2. Read about these Atheist mass murderers, for starters: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist–Leninist_atheism

Your problem is that you nairaland wannabe Atheists have zero knowledge. Your Atheism is a consequence of gross ignorance.

3. But you say my God doesn't exist.

striktlymi:
The Church, especially in Nigeria, would do well to scrap the present day Harvest and Bazaar sales.

In my very proud opinion, I believe the present day harvest and bazaar have lost their meaning and relevance.

Some may argue that this is a special period of thanks giving and fund raiser for the Church, I still hold the view that there are better ways to thank God and help the Church grow financially.

The sad reality is that the period of Harvest and Bazaar is a time when the Church (particularly the Nigerian Church) give a subtle permission for wrongdoing.

unlimitedbosco:
exactly my point why should the church buy and sell at exhorbitant prices in d name of rasing fund 4 d church isnt that what jesus scattered in d temple in his days. The most annoying part is the time the spend in doing this and the funny part is most time u wont even c any development in d church

We all know the purpose of harvest and bazaar.

We all agree that the method is/might be outdated.

But has any of you proposed a better way for your parish to achieve the objectives, and worked towards it?

If you haven't, you may be a part of the problem.

You know a better way, yet you abandon the work for those who don't know...year after year.

Think about it.

OLAADEGBU:
To be fed with what? Spiritual or physical food?

With what Jesus wants Peter to feed them with in John 21:17

UrbanMystique:
right, ignorant slowpoke. like adolph hilter, Osama bi laden and the rest right? Even your almighty god was a mass murderer.

1. Adolf Hitler was anti-christian.

2. Osama bin Laden killed people, but in less than 100 years, Atheist leaders in Soviet Union, China, North Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Mongolia killed far more people for their faith than all the religious people of the world could do in 2000 years.

3. Which God? The one you believe doesn't exist? How can something that doesn't exist kill anyone?

Longstride:
LMAO is it just Nairaland or are all Christians this dumb

Why are you grasping imaginary straws?...
And when, In my assertion, did I say the bible is erroneous? The bible provides proof that god is the worst mass murderer in history, he killed more than any Atheist would ever kill. Except you believe the bible is coćk and bull, you have no point whatsoever.

BTW Adolf Hitler was catholic.

You would have to believe the Bible to be true to cite it as evidence. Unless I too can cite the Bible as evidence that God exists.

Make up your mind. Is the Bible true or fictional?

Longstride:
Catholics believe other churches are wrong.
Deeper Lifers believe other churches are wrong.
Jehovah's witnesses believe other churches are wrong.
Celestial members believe other churches are wrong.....the list goes on.
All under Christianity... SMHLOL and they all have verses to prove eachother wrong... I love the bible

Your point is?

Weah96:
You haven't used your head to think in eons, nigga. You write some of the dumbest comments NL has ever seen.

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iamodenigbo1:
ok sir,atheism liberated our mind from the shackles of religion,o will be back with links

When did Atheism liberate anyone's mind?

What are those hackles of religion that you have been liberated from?

Please let me see the links.

Longstride:
according to your holy book, [b]god is the worst mass murderer in history.
"Just to educate you"[/b]

And you say my holy book is erroneous.

The bold in blue is erroneous, according to you.

Have you read about the atrocities of those Atheists? Or are you content with ignorance?

Weah96:
Atheism is the truth. The truth doesn't owe you anything.

I'm trying to use my time well, talking with people who think.

Please excuse me.

OLAADEGBU:
Your church traditions has certainly blinded you from seeing the endtime fulfillment as predicted in the Scriptures that are fresher than tomorrow's newspaper.

"In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them"

The scripture you quoted speaks about you and your like.

Those protestant leaders want to be fed by St. Peter's successor.

You're probably saying this because you've not been invited to Rome.

iamodenigbo1:
that is your opinion sir and you are entitled to have it,mine is contrary to yours

But maybe if you had anything to back your opinion, I'd accept it. It's dangerous to hold false opinions just for the sake of holding opinions.

And it isn't my opinion only that Religion built western civilization that we hold so dear.

Just read http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Western_civilization and let's know what you think.

What has Atheism ever done for humanity?

iamodenigbo1:
ok sir,but without religion the world would've been better

It wouldn't be better, Sir. It would be worse.

The unmatched atrocities of those Godless governments prove this.

OLAADEGBU:
Either they know it or not those ones in your pictures are fulfilling Scriptures.

OLAADEGBU:
If you have any discernment at all you will discover that they are all fulfilling Scriptures which your tradition has no way of fathoming.

I know they are fulfilling scripture.

1 Tim 3:15: The Church, not scripture, is the pillar and foundation of truth.

Matt 16:18: You are Peter and upon this rock, I will build my Church.

John 21:17: "Peter, feed my sheep.

Those protestant leaders are hungry for truth from St. Peter.

iamodenigbo1:
RELIGION

Atheists are known to be the worst mass murderers in history by far.

Atheist leaders of Soviet Union, Cambodia, Mongolia, China killed tens of millions of people for their faith. Just to educate you.

OLAADEGBU:
That's if you know what an anti Christ looks like.

So all protestant leaders dont know what an antichrist looks like, only olaadegbu knows.

5solas:
The Pope is anti-Christ. Please stick to the subject matter.

This is a new signature.

And your protestant leaders are dying to pray and dine with antichrist.

OLAADEGBU:
I have not said the Pope is an anti Christ neither have I said that he is for Christ. By their fruits you shall know them.

One of his fruits is that all Christian leaders are dying to get an invitation from him, so theycan hurry of to pray and dine with the successor of St. Peter.

http://www.catholic.org/news/international/middle_east/story.php?id=57906

Christian women and children are being bought and sold as slaves, typically for sex, but also for labor in the Islamic State. Meanwhile, men and boys are forced to convert to Islam or are put to death according to mounting evidence collected from the region.

Although the Islamic State only publishes official propaganda, its dark side is being revealed by documents and the testimonies of people who flee the oppressive, theocratic regime.

Among the most chilling documents is a price list, obtained by Iraqinews.com, and it reveals the prices that Sunnis can pay to purchase a Christian woman or girl for marriage or slavery. Young women and even children are used for sex and are even employed in brothels. Older women are put into domestic servitude.

Prices range from $40 to $160 dollars for women, with young girls fetching the highest price.

The Islamic State does not recognize marriages from outside Sunni Islam so Christian husbands and wives have reported being split from one another, even if they agree to convert to Islam. The fighters have also boasted of stealing Christians wives for themselves.

The most expensive - and desired slaves are children between one and nine. Child marriage and pedophilia are part of their belief, so it is condoned by religious authorities within the Islamic State. This means that within the territory they control, men are raping children on a routine basis and the world is doing nothing to save these children.

Pedophile terrorists are virtually impossible to appease, and they certainly know that the world will be relentless in its pursuit of justice against them. The Islamic State will not likely negotiate a truce or abide by any agreement which conflicts with their religious views. Tragically, slavery and rape are acceptable behaviors in their belief.

A number of Christians, Yazidis and even Jews are reported to be jailed in Islamic State prisons because they did not flee and instead opted to pay the jizyah, a monthly tax for being another religion. These people are being kept alive in the hopes their families will pay, and this serves as a source of funding for the Islamic State.

The Islamic State is flush with cash, but complications resulting from combat to the drop in oil prices have all diminished the revenues of the Islamic State, making it increasingly difficult for them to continue operations against their neighbors.

Meanwhile, for Christians the situation remains exceptionally dire with untold numbers now being held in slavery or in prison, or forced into Islam against their will. It is also unknown how many Christians have been killed by the Islamic State for refusing to convert to Islam or some other infraction.

The Qur'an:

Qur'an (33:50) - "O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee" This is one of several personal-sounding verses "from Allah" narrated by Muhammad - in this case allowing himself a virtually unlimited supply of sex partners. Other Muslims are restrained to four wives, but, following the example of their prophet, may also have sex with any number of slaves, as the following verse make clear:

Qur'an (23:5-6) - "..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves. See also Qur'an (70:29-30). The Quran is a small book, so if Allah used valuable space to repeat the same point four times, then sex slavery must be very important to him.

Qur'an (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." Even sex with married slaves is permissible.

Qur'an (8:69) - "But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good" A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part. The Muslim slave master may enjoy his "catch" because (according to verse 71) "Allah gave you mastery over them."

Qur'an (24:32) - "And marry those among you who are single and those who are fit among your male slaves and your female slaves..." Breeding slaves based on fitness.

Qur'an (2:178) - "O ye who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the murdered; the freeman for the freeman, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female." The message of this verse, which prescribes the rules of retaliation for murder, is that all humans are not created equal. The human value of a slave is less than that of a free person (and a woman's worth is also distinguished from that of a man's).

Qur'an (16:75) - "Allah sets forth the Parable (of two men: one) a slave under the dominion of another; He has no power of any sort; and (the other) a man on whom We have bestowed goodly favours from Ourselves, and he spends thereof (freely), privately and publicly: are the two equal? (By no means praise be to Allah." Yet another confirmation that the slave is is not equal to the master. In this case it is plain that the slave owes his status to Allah's will. (According to 16:71, the owner should be careful about insulting Allah by bestowing Allah's gifts on slaves - those whom the god of Islam has not favored).
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/015-slavery.htm