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Dapo777:
So why did you say that if Christianity could start from nothing once,it could start from nothing again?

So the followers of Jesus that started Christianity are nothing?

You should cover your eyes in shame you liar.

Nobody should take someone that says something at a breath and says the direct opposite at another breath seriously.

I didn't know the followers of Jesus that started christianity are nothing. Wow.

Shameless liar

I never said the followers were nothing. I never said Christianity fell from the sky. This is what I said below:

It wasn't in existence at a point in time, then it came into existence at a point in time. That's what I mean by "Christianity started from nothing."

Of course you have to lie against me to mask your ignorance...You cannot argue against my position so you lie about my position and argue against your own lies. Even then, you can't win the argument against your own lies.

Christianity started in 33AD.

The only people in this world that don't know that are you and other Atheist ignoramuses on nairaland.

You insist that there was nothing like Christianity until 325AD. A historical fallacy.

You still stick to that fallacy? Or you want to change mouth?

justaqad:
damm it stop twisting words.
Point is The damm manual is real,they found it.unlike god.
I dont need faith to see the manual unlike god
got it?
The bible has been proven to be a book full of shits written by men in cloud 9,yet you wont acknowledged any of the many errors,rather you will argue that you only need faith to understand it.
Unlike textbooks.
Hehehehehehehehehe.
Emancipate your mental mind from slavely.

You have neither seen the manual nor the people who found it.

You only hold on to the bold by BLIND FAITH...you are worshipping fellow men you haven't seen.

The US provided "satellite images" (scientific evidence) of WMDs in Iraq to the UN before they invaded Iraq.

Some people had BLIND FAITH in what they were saying.

They later admitted there were no WMDs...after years of fooling their worshippers.

Dapo777:
I am sorry but you are the ignorant one here to say that Christianity fell from the sky. Such an imbecility.

Read the book "Jesus,interrupted" by Bart Ehrman if you have no idea about how Christianity started

Of course, you have to lie against me to mask your ignorance.

Christianity started in 33AD.

Everyone in the world knows that, except you ignorant nairaland Atheists who go around pretending to be educated.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Christianity Christianity emerged in the Levant (now Palestine and Israel) in the mid-1st century AD

vest:
"thinking aloud"

does this sister intentionally like asking
"hard to answer"
quesions ni?

lol

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Soviet_UnionWhen the Soviet Union was established by the Bolsheviks in 1922, it was the constitutional organization which took over from the Russian Empire. At the time of the 1917 Revolution, the Russian Orthodox Church was deeply integrated into the autocratic state enjoying official status. This was a significant factor that contributed to the Bolshevik attitude to religion and the steps they took to control it.[1] Thus the USSR became the first state to have, as an ideological objective, the elimination of religion[2] and its replacement with universal atheism.[3][4] The communist regime confiscated religious property, ridiculed religion, harassed believers, and propagated atheism in schools.[5] The confiscation of religious assets was often based on accusations of illegal accumulation of wealth.

The vast majority of people in the Russian empire were, at the time of the revolution, religious believers, whereas the communists aimed to break the power of all religious institutions and eventually replace religious belief with atheism. "Science" was counterposed to "religious superstition" in the media and in academic writing. The main religions of pre-revolutionary Russia persisted throughout the entire Soviet period, but they were only tolerated within certain limits. Generally, this meant that believers were free to worship in private and in their respective religious buildings (churches, mosques, etc.), but public displays of religion outside of such designated areas were prohibited. In addition, religious institutions were not allowed to express their views in any type of mass media, and many religious buildings were demolished or used for other purposes.[citation needed]

State atheism in the Soviet Union was known as gosateizm,[2] and was based on the ideology of Marxism–Leninism. As the founder of the Soviet state, V. I. Lenin, put it:

Religion is the opium of the people: this saying of Marx is the cornerstone of the entire ideology of Marxism about religion. All modern religions and churches, all and of every kind of religious organizations are always considered by Marxism as the organs of bourgeois reaction, used for the protection of the exploitation and the stupefaction of the working class.[6]

Marxist–Leninist atheism has consistently advocated the control, suppression, and elimination of religion. Within about a year of the revolution, the state expropriated all church property, including the churches themselves, and in the period from 1922 to 1926, 28 Russian Orthodox bishops and more than 1,200 priests were killed. Many more were persecuted


Keep denying the obvious.

Atheism and mass murder are inseparable in human history.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism
State promotion of atheism as a public norm first came to prominence in Revolutionary France (1789-1799).[1] Revolutionary Mexico followed similar policies from 1917, as did Marxist-Leninist states. The RSFSR (1917-1991) and the Soviet Union (1922-1991) had a long history of state atheism, whereby those seeking social success generally had to profess atheism and to stay away from houses of worship; this trend became especially militant during the middle Stalinist era from 1929 to 1939. The Soviet Union attempted to suppress public religious expression over wide areas of its influence, including places such as central Asia.

Plaetton, Keep fooling yourself on something the world knows very well.

plaetton:
@Italo

The way you lie to yourself is simply amazing.
I guess that is what religion is essentially all about: lying to oneself all the time.

Time and time again you keep bringing up Stalin and communism as being same with atheism.
I encourage you to study communism to learn how it does not relate to atheism.

How exactly did you arrive at the death figures you keep quoting?
How were all these people killed?
Were all these millions of people killed on behalf of atheism? Were they Christians who were genocided on some kind of atheists holy war, or were political dissidents killed for challenging and even threatening the ruling class?

Could millions of these people have died because of starvation linked to bad economic policies?

From 1960, how many million Nigerians have died due to one economic policy or another?
How many Nigerian past leaders ( who have all been devoutly religious) have you accused of genocide on account of their religion?

The US sanctions and two wars against the people of Iraq since 1990 have directly resulted in the deaths of at least 1.5 million Iraqi citizens.
These policies of genocide were enacted and executed by born again Christians.

Should I remind you of the wholesale massacres and lootings by European colonialism, upholders of the Christian faith?

I gave you links to educate yourself but you prefer to remain in historical illiteracy.

It is typical of you. Keep denying the obvious.


Vox Day notes concerning atheism and mass murder:
“ Apparently it was just an amazing coincidence that every Communist of historical note publicly declared his atheism … .there have been twenty-eight countries in world history that can be confirmed to have been ruled by regimes with avowed atheists at the helm … These twenty-eight historical regimes have been ruled by eighty-nine atheists, of whom more than half have engaged in democidal162 acts of the sort committed by Stalin and Mao …
The total body count for the ninety years between 1917 and 2007 is approximately 148 million dead at the bloody hands of fifty-two atheists, three times more than all the human beings killed by war, civil war, and individual crime in the entire twentieth century combined.
The historical record of collective atheism is thus 182,716 times worse on an annual basis than Christianity’s worst and most infamous misdeed, the Spanish Inquisition. It is not only Stalin and Mao who were so murderously inclined, they were merely the worst of the whole Hell-bound lot. For every Pol Pot whose infamous name is still spoken with horror today, there was a Mengistu, a Bierut, and a Choibalsan, godless men whose names are now forgotten everywhere but in the lands they once ruled with a red hand.
Is a 58 percent chance that an atheist leader will murder a noticeable percentage of the population over which he rules sufficient evidence that atheism does, in fact, provide a systematic influence to do bad things? If that is not deemed to be conclusive, how about the fact that the average atheist crime against humanity is 18.3 million percent worse than the very worst depredation committed by Christians, even though atheists have had less than one-twentieth the number of opportunities with which to commit them. If one considers the statistically significant size of the historical atheist set and contrasts it with the fact that not one in a thousand religious leaders have committed similarly large-scale atrocities, it is impossible to conclude otherwise, even if we do not yet understand exactly why this should be the case. Once might be an accident, even twice could be coincidence, but fifty-two incidents in ninety years reeks of causation!"

plaetton:
And what exactly is your point?
I have not threatened that religion will be crushed.
We are already seeing the decline of religion all over the world, except for thirldworld poor countries that have nothing but stone age spuerstions to navigate life.

Even your sect, the Catholic church, is closing parishes because of poor attendance.
In advanced countries, religion is for grandmas and grandpas.

Therefore, in about 50 to 100 yes from now, we will have far far fewer religious people, and about 90% of them will in third world basket cases and failed states.

Religion and Catholicism are not declining in the world.

Catholicism is growing. For 1 parish being closed, 3 or more are being opened.

If religion were dying, you wouldn't be this frustrated.

By stone-age countries, I'm sure you mean countries like the US where bestiality is allowed and infanticide is the upcoming fashion, right?

justaqad:
i dont need faith to know the archealogist made a finding and went through a lot to validate their findings.
Unlike the church
if by tomorrow there was an error,the archaelogist would acknowledge it and move.
Unlike the church.
If the archealogist were asked to prove the ancient manual is real,they will gladly do so,you dont need faith to see it.
Unlike the church

You are exhibiting far more faith than many Christians!

You have never seen the archeologists (I bet you have never even seen any archeologist), you have never seen the Enuma elish.

Yet you miraculously know for sure that they went through a lot to validate their findings and will gladly prove it.

Wow!

You should be a prophet in your denomination of the Atheist religion.

plaetton:
For the millionth time, atheism is not a goal, and does not have goals worth succeeding in.
It is simply an individual choice to reject the idea of god.
Education, enlightenment and economic empowerment are the reasons most people begin to reject stone-age ideas and ideals.

Poorer countries are densely religious because because poorer countries are densely less enlightened, less educated, less technologically advanced, and have less freedoms and a lot more social anxieties and unrest.
Have you noticed that, sir?

Atheism is not a competing philosophy that challenges religion.
No.
Atheism is the rejection of the unproven idea of god.

Your job is to show that your god exists, not to challenge those who reject it because you have not proven it.

It is 100% inevitable that more people, your children and grand children will relegate your god and your religion to the dustbins historical myths, just like Zeus, Apollo and the rest of histories dead and forgotten gods.
And humanity will be better for it.

Stalin promised to crush religion with the Soviet Union's economic and military might, rather religion crushed Communism by the power of God.

The atheist PZ Myers declared on September 27, 2014, "I will make a prediction, right here and now.... The number of people identifying as atheists will stagnate or even shrink..."

woky:
I really want to knw that needfull

abeg help me

Aproko! I think he meant I should delete her email address from my quote.

Am I right, Syncan.

AllNaijaBlogger:
Are you seriously asking someone if he has evidence against the world being magically spoken into existence?

It is things like this that make people see us Christians as gullible. Why not also ask if he has evidence against witches flying in the night.


God didn't use magic. Science brings man closer to God. God uses science

It is Atheists who often ask people for proof of their claims.

If such Atheist then says "God didn't use magic..." he can be asked to prove it.

If he can't, we take it as his hypothesis, not fact.

davien:
How am I? You seem butturt...
really...so galileo wasn't threatened by the church then? or Copernicus wasn't burnt alive then?...
You can put your fingers in your ears all day long...catholic history was filled with the blood of innocents killed unjustly.

Show us evidence that Copernicus was burned alive.

What was Galileo threatened for?

Who was killed unjustly?

Catholic history is far more just than the rest of human history. The Catholic Church is the biggest charity organization the world has ever seen, giving life to billions since inception.

davien:
You are the one giving a revisionism of history here....
Science is the search of knowledge...so you mean greeks,jews,egyptians,muslims didn't search for knowledge before catholicism existed?
For your information...western civilization owes itself to greece and the western roman empire....before medieval christendom it was also nurtured by the Mediterranean.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_science
Historically, the Church has often been a patron of sciences. It has been prolific in the foundation of schools, universities and hospitals, and many clergy have been active in the sciences. Historians of science such as Pierre Duhem credit medieval Catholic mathematicians and philosophers such as John Buridan, Nicole Oresme and Roger Bacon as the founders of modern science.

Catholic scientists, both religious and lay, have led scientific discovery in many fields. From ancient times, Christian emphasis on practical charity gave rise to the development of systematic nursing and hospitals and the Church remains the single greatest private provider of medical care and research facilities in the world. Following the Fall of Rome, monasteries and convents remained bastions of scholarship in Western Europe and clergymen were the leading scholars of the age - studying nature, mathematics and the motion of the stars (largely for religious purposes). During the Middle Ages, the Church founded Europe's first universities, producing scholars like Robert Grosseteste, Albert the Great, Roger Bacon and Thomas Aquinas, who helped establish scientific method. During this period, the Church was also a great patron of engineering for the construction of elaborate cathedrals. Since the Renaissance, Catholic scientists have been credited as fathers of a diverse range of scientific fields: Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744–1829) prefigured the theory of evolution with Lamarckism; Friar Gregor Mendel (1822–84) pioneered genetics and Fr Georges Lemaitre (1894-1966) proposed the Big Bang cosmological model. The Jesuits have been particularly active, notably in astronomy. Church patronage of sciences continues through elite institutions like the Pontifical Academy of Sciences and Vatican Observatory.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Western_civilization
The role of the Catholic Church in Western civilization has been intricately intertwined with the history and formation of Western society. Through its long history, the church has been a major source of social services like schooling and medical care; inspiration for Western art, culture and philosophy; and influential player in politics and religion. In various ways it has sought to affect Western attitudes to vice and virtue in diverse fields. It has, over many centuries, promulgated the teachings of Jesus within the Western World and remains a source of continuity linking modern Western culture to classical Western culture.

While the West is no longer universally Catholic, the Catholic heritage remains strong in Western countries: festivals like Easter and Christmas are marked universally as public holidays; Pope Gregory XIII's Gregorian Calendar has been adopted internationally as the civil calendar; and time itself is measured by the West from the assumed date of the birth of the Church's founder, Jesus of Nazareth: the Year One AD (Anno Domini, and not year "0" which doesn't exist in this system).

The cultural influence of the Church has been vast. Church scholars preserved literacy in Western Europe following the Fall of Rome. During the Middle Ages, the Church rose to replace the Roman Empire as the unifying force in Europe. The cathedrals of that age remain among the most iconic feats of architecture produced by Western civilization. Many of Europe's universities were also founded by the church at that time. The Reformation brought an end to religious unity in the West, but the Renaissance masterpieces produced by Catholic artists like Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and Raphael at that time remain among the most celebrated works of art ever produced. Similarly, Catholic sacred music by composers like Vivaldi, Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven, Shubert and Verdi is among the most admired classical music in the Western canon.

The papacy has been intricately involved in European politics: Pope Leo the Great met Attila the Hun in 452, and persuaded him to turn back from his invasion of Italy; Pope Leo III proclaimed Charlemagne as King of the Romans at the foundation of the Holy Roman Empire; Pope Clement VII refused to annul the marriage of Henry VIII, thus prompting the English Reformation; and Pope John Paul II is widely credited as having hastened the Collapse of Communism in Europe. Rivalry between princes and popes and theological disputes contributed to several political conflicts in Western history, but the papacy also acted as peace broker and arbiter between rival rulers. Many have criticized actions of the church that had a profound effect on Western society; of particular note are the harsh practices of the Roman and Spanish Inquisitions, the suppression of the ideas of Galileo Galilei, and the church's historical treatment of women. Into the modern era, the church has remained prominent in topical debates: from the 1839 papal condemnation of slavery, to 1937's papal attack on Nazism, to Pope John Paul II's condemnations of the Iraq War of 2003, the church has tried to fulfill a compassionate role in the world.

The Bible and Catholic theology have also strongly influenced Western philosophers and political activists. The teachings of Jesus, such as the Parable of the Good Samaritan, are among the important sources for modern notions of Human Rights and the welfare measures commonly provided by governments in the West. Long held Catholic teachings on sexuality and marriage have also been both influential and (in recent times) controversial.

Catholicism played a role in ending practices such as human sacrifice, slavery,[1] infanticide and polygamy.[2] Christianity in general affected the status of women by condemning infanticide (female infants were more likely to be killed), divorce, incest, polygamy, birth control, abortion and marital infidelity.[3] While official Church teaching[4] considers women and men to be complementary (equal and different), some modern "advocates of ordination of women and other feminists" argue that teachings attributed to St. Paul and those of the Fathers of the Church and Scholastic theologians advanced the notion of a divinely ordained female inferiority.[5] Nevertheless, women have played prominent roles in Western history through the Catholic Church, particularly in education and healthcare, but also as influential theologians and mystics. The important status of the Virgin Mary gave notions of maternal virtue and compassion a place at the heart of Western civilization.

While the Church has clashed throughout history with rival Western forces such as paganism, Orthodox Christianity, Protestantism, and communism and its influence is much diminished from its zenith, the immensity of the Catholic contribution to the West's heritage is undeniable. Catholicism is still the majority religion of several major Western countries, including Brazil, Mexico, Italy, France, Spain, and Poland and it is the religious affiliation of a significant and growing minority in countries like the United States and Australia.

And these are coming from secular sources o.

Go on and deny what the whole world knows.

davien:
You can give as many apologetics as you can...
This is the historian raymond of agiles describing the first crusade on 1099
" Some of our men cut off the heads of their enemies; others shot them
with arrows, so that they fell from the towers; others tortured them
longer by casting them into the flames. Piles of heads, hands and feet
were to be seen in the streets of the city. It was necessary to pick
one's way over the bodies of men and horses. But these were small
matters compared to what happened at the temple of Solomon, a
place where religious services ware ordinarily chanted. What
happened there? If I tell the truth, it will exceed your powers of belief.
So let it suffice to say this much at least, that in the temple and
portico of Solomon, men rode in blood up to their knees and bridle
reins."
And they also raped women...the same way military men rapes women at times of invasion.

1. You are yet to provide evidence of rape

2. Even if a few soldiers did wrong during the crusades, it wouldn't mean the crusades was not a good thing meant to liberate people from the ISIS of that time. The Allied forces did a good thing by fightin Hitler but were all Allied troops well behaved? Think well, for once.

3. Is this the same "Raymond d'Agiles" that other historians see as a dubious historian? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_D%27Aguilers

davien:
You can call the Soviet union an "atheist" movement all day long..the fact remains that nobody kills for atheism because a disbelief in "god/gods" tells you nothing about how to treat religious people.

The Soviet, Cambodian, Chinese, Albanian and N Korean govts were Atheist govts and they persecuted religion and killed tens of millions. There are many more examples.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union
Throughout the history of the Soviet Union (1922-1991), Soviet authorities suppressed and persecuted various forms of Christianity to different extents depending on the particular era. Soviet policy, based on the ideology of Marxism-Leninism, made atheism the official doctrine of the Soviet Union. Marxism-Leninism has consistently advocated the control, suppression, and the elimination of religious beliefs.[1]

The state was committed to the destruction of religion,[2][3] and destroyed churches, mosques and temples, ridiculed, harassed and executed religious leaders, flooded the schools and media with atheistic teachings, and generally promoted atheism as the truth that society should accept.[4][5] The total number of Christian victims of Soviet state atheist policies, has been estimated to range between 12-20 million.[6][7][8]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Soviet_Union
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/archives/anti.html
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror

Vox Day notes concerning atheism and mass murder:
“ Apparently it was just an amazing coincidence that every Communist of historical note publicly declared his atheism … .there have been twenty-eight countries in world history that can be confirmed to have been ruled by regimes with avowed atheists at the helm … These twenty-eight historical regimes have been ruled by eighty-nine atheists, of whom more than half have engaged in democidal162 acts of the sort committed by Stalin and Mao …
The total body count for the ninety years between 1917 and 2007 is approximately 148 million dead at the bloody hands of fifty-two atheists, three times more than all the human beings killed by war, civil war, and individual crime in the entire twentieth century combined.
The historical record of collective atheism is thus 182,716 times worse on an annual basis than Christianity’s worst and most infamous misdeed, the Spanish Inquisition. It is not only Stalin and Mao who were so murderously inclined, they were merely the worst of the whole Hell-bound lot. For every Pol Pot whose infamous name is still spoken with horror today, there was a Mengistu, a Bierut, and a Choibalsan, godless men whose names are now forgotten everywhere but in the lands they once ruled with a red hand.
Is a 58 percent chance that an atheist leader will murder a noticeable percentage of the population over which he rules sufficient evidence that atheism does, in fact, provide a systematic influence to do bad things? If that is not deemed to be conclusive, how about the fact that the average atheist crime against humanity is 18.3 million percent worse than the very worst depredation committed by Christians, even though atheists have had less than one-twentieth the number of opportunities with which to commit them. If one considers the statistically significant size of the historical atheist set and contrasts it with the fact that not one in a thousand religious leaders have committed similarly large-scale atrocities, it is impossible to conclude otherwise, even if we do not yet understand exactly why this should be the case. Once might be an accident, even twice could be coincidence, but fifty-two incidents in ninety years reeks of causation!"

The evidence is overwhelming! Only a lunatic will deny it!

aswani:
Hello all,

Please I would be interested in people's opinion on what I call 'Me and my Wife' churches?

When a man is blessed by God to start or join a ministry to help fulfil people's spiritual needs, what has that 'contract' got to do with his wife?
It seems strange to me that if the most senior member of a church is the husband, by default the most senior woman in the church, or even in some cases the 'second in command', tends to be the wife?

Can anyone interested in this topic please be aware that I am not judging anyone or any ministry? I am just seeking some form of enlightenment in this mater.

Also, please let's avoid naming names or churches.

Thanks in advance.

"Me and my wife companies," you mean?

You call those things "churches?"

SalC, pls check ur gmail

Syncan:
You're welcome bro. Remember to do the needful.

Which needful? I think I'm lost.

You know say you like to speak in parables.

*modified

Ok...I think I got it now.

Syncan:
email her offline : , then use the Pm to alert her. I hope it works. Acknowledge seen.

Ok...thanks.

This is not the worst lie ever told about Jesus, and it is neither the first nor the last.

But we Children of God keep marching on.

Jesus is King of glory for eternity!

What is the next lie?

Jesus looted Nigeria's treasury?

Maamin:
And what are your evidence they were not magically spoken..for science to define a phenomena doesn't mean they created or found answers to it origin.

Initial velocity must have been induced by something or force capable of doing that and keeping it constant for thousands of years..how many other billions of universe has life been discovered on?..not even Andromeda the closest to Milky Way has life on it.

And you are here talking about no magical spiritual force responsible for this precious tranquillity.

No evidence!

He just believes what some other Atheist must have said.

Blind FAITH!

datopdlink:
Seem=appear to be,have a semblance.You see it that way,and I don't know why.But your assumptions are yours,anyway.

It only seemed that way to me. You have corrected me.

That is enough. Sorry for telling you how it seemed to me.

justaqad:
from a reliable and reputable source YES.

That is FAITH.

Why then do you quarrel me for believing what the Church tells me about God, since I consider the Church reliable and reputable.

We are all men of great FAITH. Believing without physical perception.

justaqad:
if i have any reason to doubt the archealogist the manual is there for scrutiny..
Unlike god that aint real

Have you ever met the archeologists or seen the manual?

Just answer honestly. You wont die if you do.

SalC,

How can I reach you?

You know I cant use my nairaland mail.

davien:
Sure....just keep quite while theists grow strength in numbers and then start enforcing "god's law" and other laws that permit them.....
keeping quite is the worst thing to do in a nation ruled by dogma.

Imagine if galileo kept quite while the "flat earthers" spreaded their pseudoscience.
Imagine if louis pasteur kept quite while people claimed "demons" and "bad blood" for the causes of diseases.
Imagine if einstein kept quite while people believed space and time were abstract entities.
Imagine if abraham lincoln kept quite and said nothing about slavery.
Getting out there and chatting,debating...even holding meetings is a positive step towards any progress..
we can't fly planes into towers..nor hold killing crusades but we can present our voices...and that is our strength and right.
Better to speak now,before keeping quite turns nigeria into a dictatorship.

Stop the revisionism of history.

Religion, at least Catholicism never stopped those men from pursuing truth. In fact, it helped them do so.

Catholicism invented, sponsored and nourished science...and many other human disciplines. In short, Catholicism built the western civilization you now hold so dear and benefit from.

The crusades were a good thing...to defend people being raped, plundered and killed by Muslims, just like ISIS is doing now.

Atheists have held 'killing crusades' countless times in history. E.g Soviet Union Atheist govt killed millions in an attempt to stamp out religion. Albanian Atheist govt did same. China and North Korea continue to do same now.

Benedicat vos omnipotens Deus, + Pater, + et Filius, + et Spiritus Sanctus. / R. Amen.

Chysam,

Who said "Jesus is not coming again?"

Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI or Pope Francis?

And when and where did he say it?

Tranglatar:
Sorry to take you guys away from every day chat.
I know the Holy Mass is a Prayer - the "highest" prayer in the Church, but i f i may ask which prayer within the Mass "moves" you so much
For me, these three:
1) This part said sometimes in the Liturgy of the Eucharist: "You are Holy indeed, the fount of all Holiness, all praises, honour and adoration belongs to you, our praises and adoration adds nothing to Your greatness rather, it is a gift from You that profits us for our salvation..."
2) The doxology and the Great AMEN !! "per ipsum, et cum ipso, et in ipso, est tibi Deo Patri omnipotenti, in unitate Spiritus Sancti, omis honor et gloria per omnia saecula saeculotum. Amen !!!!!!!!!
3) Then this part of the Communion Rite prayer (in Latin !!!): "Praeceptis salutaribus moniti, et divina institutione formati, audemus dicere, the followed by the Pater Noster (in Latin !!)
Everytime i'm at mass and the chief celebrant says any of the above or all, i just want to ..... (can't find suitable words)

When the Priest holds the just-consecrated host-turned-Jesus, and says:

"Behold the lamb of God. Behold him who takes away the sins of the world. Happy are those called to the supper of the Lamb."

And we respond: "Lord, I'm not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say your word, and my soul shall be healed."

justaqad:
the source is real and open for criticism unlike your god that is above questioning.
Just make a request you might get lucky your wished might be granted.
Wish you luck.

Have you ever scrutinized the source or met them?

If not, how do you know they are real?

You just have great faith in what reporters tell you...then accuse others of blind faith?

justaqad:
whats your point exactly?
You believed scientist when they said we are constituted of millions of cells,even without seeing those cells with your bare eyes.
Atleast the manuscript is real and in safe keeping if you wanna scrutinize it the more.
Just make a request,unlike god that aint real.

I dont know why you are so defensive. It's just a simple question. Answering it honestly wont kill you.

You believe everything the archeologists are reported to have said about the Enuma elish and its age without ever seeing it...or the archeologists. Yes or no?