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herald9:
Lolz... There's a relationship between burning of incense and the prayer of a believer.
Our prayers are like incense which rises into the nostrils of God...That's how incense worked in the olden days...Now that Jesus brought a new covenant... burning of incense is a sin to God.

And from that passage you quoted above... we can conclude that the bowl full of incense are the prayers of the righteous.

Not still convince?

Answer the questions on my next post.

So people in heaven are committing sin?

Shut up and give up.

herald9:
What is your purpose of burning incense?

Are you burning incense in order to make your
prayers more powerful because you believe they
will have a greater impact on God?

Do you wish to burn incense because it was
done in the Tabernacle of Moses and you wish
to imulate this?


cc: italo

You said burning incense is pagan.

Yet incense is burnt in heaven.

Shut up and give up.

vooks:
You want proof that you are hallucinating?
Write to WHO and ask them. Higher Office is another Catholicism BS

Blasphemy is failure to use your head

It's you who has to verify, remember?

You write WHO, the Diocese of Lanciano, start by going to see the flesh and blood.

He is waiting for you.

You're just full of flimsy excuses. The reason is that you're not seeking truth, but you're seeking to guard a paradigm.

There are thousands of miracles for anyone seeking truth to investigate.

The Lourdes Medical Bureau has scores of very well documented healing miracles.

The Medical committee at Lourdes is totally independent of the Church. They use skeptics on the committees, the rules are geared to control for remission. They are required to use only the best medical evidence, to consult the doctors of the patients and they cannot make decisions without obtaining the medical records of those doctors. They do examine the patients. It does have to be proven that the people were sick beforehand! they will only choose a case when they cannot find a naturalistic explaination.

But people like you would rather die in ignorance than make an educated research about these miracles.

mynairatime:
What do u mean? another bunch of lies have been manufactured. u guys can go any mile to convince us that ogun is ur god, oya is ur godess, ifa is ur deity he guy if u hav a god that can do magic what does that hav to do with us keep with urself is ur property must we belive in what u belive keep whatever ur gods do with urself if we want it we will ask.

Satan is tormented..restless.

vooks:
Except there has never been any office or department of WHO called Higher Council of World Health Organisation at any point in the history of that body.

Failure to think is blasphemy

Proof?

OLAADEGBU:
Who is d manus? Read the link and stop asking irrelevant questions.

It is not an irrelevant question.

The link doesn't say which Church Eusebius and Justin belonged to...that's why we are asking you, a disciple of the link.

The only reason you and your link cannot say is that you know they belonged to the one true Church - The Catholic Church.

OLAADEGBU:
Where are the Roman Catholics to answer this question?

The Bible is a product of Catholic tradition. It was compiled by the Catholic Church in 382 at the Synod of Rome, under Pope Damasus.

That answers your question.

OLAADEGBU:
Answers?

You decided the books in your bedroom. Happy now?

^^^Running from pillar to post.

From Constantine, it is now Simon Magus.

Make up your mind, olaadegbu.

herald9:
The story of Zechariah... hmmm
This happened before the formation of Christianity.

Remember Zechariah was from the old generation who were still practising Judaism.

After the formation of Christianity those doctrines were to be abandoned.

Incense is being used today among
pagans in worship and in procedures designed to
release power and invoke spells.
So if Budhism uses incense..Toasm uses incense...If we Christian uses it too...what will distinguish us from the them?
How will they know our God is different from theirs?
We should worship the Creator of the universe not the creation.

Since the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus the veil in the Holy Place have been removed...
So there's no need for candle burning.

Galatians 4:9 But now, after that ye have
known God, or rather are known of God, how
turn ye again to the weak and beggarly
elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in
bondage?

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Rev5:8 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

Incense is used in heaven. Is heaven also pagan?

Give up!

plaetton:
He he he.

Dahhhhhh!
That's the reason I asked the question, to see what , and if your rational senses would you to recognize the silliness and contradictory underpinnings of your belief in a loving and omni omni invisible skydaddy/fairy/ monster.

You haven't said anything.

God is non existent or God is bad?

vooks:
Go the whole mile. Document your findings and avail them for all to see.
Don't put faith in me, am not Christ. Just sort garbage from trash

We are in the process of doing that.

If you want another Eucharistic miracle that has been completely and officially documented, so that you can create new excuses, read about The Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano which happened 12 centuries ago. Dr Linoli examined it in 1970-71 and made the following findings:

The Flesh is real flesh. The Blood is real Blood.
The Flesh and the Blood belong to the human species.
The Flesh consists of the muscular tissue of the heart.
In the Flesh we see present in section: the myocardium, the endocardium, the vagus nerve and also the left ventricle of the heart for the large thickness of the myocardium.
The Flesh and the Blood have the same blood-type: AB (The blood-type identical to that which Prof. Baima Bollone uncovered in the Holy Shroud of Turin).
In the Blood there were found proteins in the same normal proportions (percentage-wise) as are found in the sero-proteic make-up of fresh normal blood.
In the Blood there were also found these minerals: chlorides, phosphorus, magnesium, potassium, sodium and calcium.


In 1973, the Higher Council of the World Health Organization (WHO) appointed a scientific commission to verify the Italian doctor's conclusions. The work was carried out over 15 months with a total of 500 examinations. The conclusions of all the researches confirmed what had been stated and published in Italy.

The extract of the scientific research of WHO's medical commission was published in New York and Geneva in 1976, confirming science's inability to explain the phenomenon.

Now you can confirm from the WHO, the diocese of Lanciano, you can see the flesh and blood up till now.

There is no excuse for you anymore.

Get up and investigate.

vooks:
There is not a single statement ascribed to Zugibe that exists outside Catholicism blogs on this miracle of the century; the first scientifically documented transubstantiation

It is not the first...and if Atheists dont want to write about the story, isn't that expected? Who wants to write about something that contradicts his beliefs.

vooks:
Video evidence need verification

I can't reach Canstaqntine or whatever, he seems content farting hearsay that inviting objective examination of his findings

Castanon was not the only witness. You seem content ranting around than investigating the matter. The video is awaiting your verification.
Can I be a prophet for once? I can tell you for sure that the remnant wafer in distilled water is nowhere to be found. It disappeared!

vooks:
Constantine could have done the most obvious; rush to Buenos Aires and conduct another test on the wafer. But he is allergic to facts

You would have done the obvious, rush to Buenos Aires on a fact finding mission, but you're allergic to facts.

vooks:
Dawkins is too busy to investigate trash

I see. If you can call something trash without personal investigation, I can call it real without same.

OLAADEGBU:
My research shows that you are probably correct on this point.

Probably true.

No.

1. In your quote below, you said I could only infer that Peter went to Rome from my Church tradition. Now that you and your internet pastors are inferring that Peter went to Rome, founded the Church and died there, where are you getting that from, my Church tradition or your protestant tradition?

2. Where then did you get the lie bolded below from? Your protestant tradition?

3. You no longer believe in Sola scriptura?

OLAADEGBU:
The Scriptures never said Peter went to Rome. You can only claim this from your "church tradition" which started in the 4th century 400 years after Peter, which is not credible unless you are referring to another Peter. Babylon had a large Jewish population at the time Peter wrote his epistle and he had evidently gone there to preach the gospel. Paul who wrote a letter to Rome around the same time did not hesitate to call the city of Rome by name.
"To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ" (Romans 1:7).

OLAADEGBU:
What I mean by Scriptures is the God breathed Word of God written by holy men of God from Genesis to Revelation by the OT prophets and apostles of Christ and these did not come from the Catholic tradition.

Then show me where Jesus or the Bible mentioned the books to be in the Bible.

Tell me where and when the scriptures told you that God had stopped breathing his word through holy men, prophets and apostles. (Wasn't it the Catholic Church that declared the canon of Scripture closed?)

OLAADEGBU:
In the course of my research I stumbled across a goldmine that shows that Peter most likely went to Rome and how the RCC originated. Below is the overwhelming conclusion of that link.



http://www.hope-of-israel.org/petrome.htm

As you have already been asked: which Church did Justin and Eusebius belong to?

vooks:
I don't 'claim to want verification' just saying that this Catholic rubbish is pretending to bow to science but it is anything but that. Mindless sheeple like you are falling for it

So now you dont want verification.

You just want us to have faith in you and believe your position is right.

vooks:
Zugibe is no more and you don't even have any of his findings except what you scrape from the gutter
Castanon is only keen in shooting videos. I left a message on his FB account. tic toc

I have given you what he found the consecrated host to be, as attested to by those who took the piece of the host to him.

Castanon was shooting videos as evidence for people like you.

Videos are evidences too.

Watch the video. Reach the other people involved. If you can't, reach the, people, groups or organizations they were involved with. That's how to go after information like this.

Why don't you leave a message on Richard Dawkins (your Atheist high priest) facebook...and tic toc?

mynairatime:
Shut up there liars. how much did they pay you that u are making up big lies like this?

They didnt pay me a dime.

The host was examined by scientists and found to be possessing the properties of a living human heart which had been traumatized. It had the AB blood group, human DNA, but did not have a unique genetic code.

The blood from the statue was found to be possessing the properties of dried blood peeled of the real face of a human.

These were attested to by scientists of the highest calibre.

Ubenedictus:
wow!

I almost think we are brothers!

I woke up this morning and two phrase kept repeating in my head,

the first was a psalm, the passage that says "I am a worm I am not a man"
the second is d episcopal moto of pope francis, "he look upon him with eyes of mercy".

It is interesting that d first thing i see on my "mentions" pages is an almost exact repetition.

I don't really believe in coincidence, there is something i nid to think about.

I don't believe in coincidences too.

I think God is speaking to one or more person(s).

Even I cannot explain why I chose that, of all possible descriptions.

...and yes, we are brothers.

Rilwayne001:
Like i said earlier, The word of God is different from the word of man

I see you dont want to say if you believe in the Bible or not.

I know that Muhammad claimed to believe in the Bible. So if you are a Muslim, you have no business asking me to explain what you perceive to be evil perpertrated by the God of the Bible.

plaetton:
OK.
Then let me ask the question.
What did Yahweh/ god do with 32 virgins?
This is a very simple question. If you don't know, say so. But pls no convoluted logic.

How can a God whom you claim doesn't exist do anything?

macof:
Hitler never attacked religions, his killing of priest were politically based, at that time the catholic church was being too involved in government and politics and filled with corrupt priest, jst as Luther had professed, Hitler silenced his oppositions and believed he was cleansing Germany of corruption both in the church and else where. he still professed catholism to his suicide.

Read well on the life of Hitler, he was No atheist but a lover of Jesus

I have given you a link to read how Hitler persecuted the Church. Have you read it...or have you sworn to die in ignorance?

macof:
Lmao christianity invent science?
The world knows Paganism invented science and spirituality and is bedrock of every human achievement, from alphabets to mathematics, archaeology to mechanism
I don't even need to argue this with u, it's left for u to be honest enough to face and accept the truth which u know pretty well

I have given you a link that shows how Catholicism invented Science. Have you read it, or have you sworn to die in ignorance?

macof:
Not forgetting the large number of scientific discoveries attacked by the catholic church in it's glory days and imperialism...scientific discoveries the church has shamefully accepted today, after being left with no choice

As usual, no proof of anything. You just open your mouth and talk like a drunk.

macof:
The Roman alphabet you using today has it's origins from Phoenician pagan priests

Preserved by Catholic monks from Barbarian destruction.

Rilwayne001:
Where



The word of God is different from the word of man.

Now please address the OP

I need to know if you are a Bible believer or not.

It will inform my response.

jnrbayano:


I did "copy and paste"

You copied and pasted a good write-up.

Maamin:
Thank u Jaré.. ladies hardly dont know what dey want, wat really matters, wat does not matter...too much self-deceit, fantasies in places they shouldn't belong, crave for norms that is void of logic and meaning.#sighs!

Instead of praying to get a good husband amongst the wolves we have in town, they're looking for who will kneel.

Foolishness!

Ubenedictus:
hehehe,

It most certainly counts, since you know who you are not the next step is who are you?

Only a filthy worm that the Lord loves so much.

Rilwayne001:
To fellow muslims in the house, here is another chapter and verses of the bible that the [size=15pt] Quran bashers don't want you to know about [/size] just like the one on the thread below
www.nairaland.com/1896846/what-quran-bashers-dont-want-know

LETS GO STRAIGHT TO THE POINT WITHOUT WASTING ANYTIME.

Lets open the alleged holy spirit inspired bible to the book of Numbers chapter 31:

Are you there? okay good, this is what happened.

The bible God was afraid that the midianites will convert the Israelites away from him because of the idolatrous women having consensual sexual relations with the Israelite men and subsequently deceiving them to worship idol/gods different from the bible God.

For these reasons the bible God commanded Moses and the Israelites to MASSACRE the Midianites:

31:1 The Lord said to Moses,

31:2 “Avenge the people of Israel of the Midianites. After that,you will be gathered to your people.”



31:3 So Moses said to the people, “Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites and to carry out the Lord’s vengeance on them.

^^What vengeance? what have they done to have deserved to be massacred

31:4 Send into battle a thousand men from each of the tribes of Israel.” .

And:

31:7 They fought against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every man.

31:8 Among their victims were Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba—the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword.

31:9 The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder.

31:10 They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps.

31:11 They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals,

31:12 and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest…

Moses and his israelite jihadist killed every man, and took the women and children as slaves. They then returned to Moses, but he became upset at them for not killing the women and children as well. Only the young virgins fit to be sex slaves were to be kept alive:

31: 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle.

31:15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them.

31:16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the Lord in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people.

31:17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,

31:18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. .

Then the bible God discusses how to divide up the spoils of war:

31:25 The Lord said to Moses,

31:26: “You and Eleazar the priest and the family heads of the community are to count all the people and animals that were captured.

31:27 Divide the spoils between the soldiers who took part in the battle and the rest of the community.

31:28 From the soldiers who fought in the battle, set apart as tribute for the Lord one out of every five hundred, whether persons, cattle, donkeys, sheep or goats.” .

And below was how it was shared between Moses, his Jihadist and the bible God:

31:32 The plunder remaining from the spoils that the soldiers took was 675,000 sheep,

31:33 72,000 cattle,

31:34 61,000 donkeys

31:35 and 32,000 women who had never slept with a man.

31:36 The half share of those who fought in the battle was: 337,500 sheep,

31:37 of which the tribute for the Lord was 675;

31:38 36,000 cattle, of which the tribute for the Lord was 72;

31:39 30,500 donkeys, of which the tribute for the Lord was 61;

31:40 [size=15] 16,000 virgins, of which the tribute for the Lord was 32. [/size] .

BIBLE GOD'S SHARE OF THE WAR BOOTY

Sheep = 675

Cattle = 72

Donkey = 61

All these^^ animals we may guess/assume that he was going to either fry them or roast them. Or what do ya'll think

Virgins = 32

[size=15pt] Can somebody please tell me what he was goint to do with these 32virgins [/size]

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I dont get you.

First of all, as a Muslim, do you believe in the Bible or not?

That is a fundamental question.

kristina1:
Den u dnt mean business

If you have the man of your dreams...and he wants to marry you but isnt ready to go on his knees, you'll say "no" just because of that?

I put it to you that that's just one of the lies ladies like to tell themselves and others.

'I can never take this!' 'I can never do that!'

All lies!

jnrbayano:
John 3:25-36 (NKJV)

Then there arose a dispute between some of John’s disciples and the Jews about purification. And they came to John and said to him, “Rabbi, He who was with you beyond the Jordan, to whom you have testified—behold, He is baptizing, and all are coming to Him!” John answered and said, “A man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him from heaven. You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, ‘I am not the Christ,’ but, ‘I have been sent before Him.’ He who has the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice. Therefore this joy of mine is fulfilled. He must increase, but I must decrease. He who comes from above is above all; he who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of the earth. He who comes from heaven is above all. And what He has seen and heard, that He testifies; and no one receives His testimony. He who has received His testimony has certified that God is true. For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure. The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand. He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

John 1:19-28

Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?” He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.” And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.” Then they said to him, “Who are you, that we may give an answer to those who sent us? What do you say about yourself?” He said: “I am ‘The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Make straight the way of the Lord,” ’ as the prophet Isaiah said.” Now those who were sent were from the Pharisees. And they asked him, saying, “Why then do you baptize if you are not the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?” John answered them, saying, “I baptize with water, but there stands One among you whom you do not know. It is He who, coming after me, is preferred before me, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose.” These things were done in Bethabara beyond the Jordan, where John was baptizing.

Matt 11:7-11

As they departed, Jesus began to say to the multitudes concerning John: “What did you go out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken by the wind? But what did you go out to see? A man clothed in soft garments? Indeed, those who wear soft clothing are in kings’ houses. But what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I say to you, and more than a prophet. For this is he of whom it is written: ‘Behold, I send My messenger before Your face, Who will prepare Your way before You.’ “Assuredly, I say to you, among those born of women there has not risen one greater than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Dear lord, please teach us never to compromise the truth no matter the circumstance.

As John the Baptist demonstrated, humility is key to speaking the truth.

May we all model St John the Baptist so we may be worthy of Jesus's confession just like he did for John.

Sancte Joannes Baptista, Ora pro nobis.

Amen.

Happy Sunday all.

Ubenedictus:
I was reading yesterday's gospel, and it struck me...John was ask "Who are you?", he knew what they wanted him to be, he knew what Isreal was waiting for, he knew!
He could have increased his prestige and become the alledged "messiahnic prophet", but he said "I am not". He didn't try to feed off their ignorance, he didn't try to make others look at him as some christ, he did try to decieve them, he was original.
"I am not", that is something that many of us are afraid to say, we are afraid to acknowlegde our weaknesses, we are afraid to agreed to our inadequacies, we do not want people to look down on us, we do not want to be worthless...so many at times we sacrifice our self identity on the altars of pride. We project a false image, we project our false selves and we live a lie.
Today as we are about to rest, let is remember that our inadequacies are a part of who we are, are weakness are the points of our transfiguration, they are a part of us. We can show others than we are damaged, we can show we are not perfect, we can show we are defecient, that we are lacking and there is something yet to be acheived. We can say "I am not...."
We can acknowledge who we are not, only then we will boldly proclaim who we are. "I am a voice crying in the wilderness", that is a powerful phrase, John knew who he was not, so well that he could now define who he was, the voice is the instrument of speech and John was the instrument of the word. He was ready to decrease and find happiness in his decrease. He will be happy till death.
Dear friends, whatever your weakness is do no hide it acknowledge it and you will be in a path of renewal. You are you, you are unique and there is only one you, you can be a better you, God wants a better you, he is committed to a better you, but he doesn't want you to be me.
Be you!
Gud evening.

Does it count when some people here call me Rev Fr and I say "I'm not!"

Just kidding...nice write up, guys.

meshacha1:
Ofcos yes I will pray for you for am still living but when you ask someone who is dead and not omnipotent and omnipresent to pray for you, does it Liston

I thought Jesus said 'believers will never die.'

That's not in your Bible?

vooks:
Get me his contacts

Meaningless nois is flapping gum here in the name of science while bloviating Catholicism junk that is not even pseudoscientific

While at it, acquaint yourself with Serratia
http://www.antimicrobe.org/h04c.files/history/serratia.asp

Aha! You claim to want verification...but you cannot use your internet to search for a way to reach the people involved in this examination process.

You're just angry and frustrated at any manifestation of God or his things. That's why you curse and curse instead of doing what you can to honestly analyze the claim.

It is satan in you that is making you react this way.

Search for the ways to reach the people involved or stop pretending to be looking for proof.

vooks:
Objective examination of the same. Not gutter junk

We already have objective examination. Dr Zugibe wasn't even told what it was before he announced his findings.

Dr Castanon was even an Atheist before he got involved in examining miraculous claims.

bolaino:
not that the video would do us any good to further your cause in this discussion, because I have come to vehemently believe that Adolk Hitler was a Croon of the catholic church, I have seen picture evidence of catholic bishops saluting The Nazi swastika, I have seen pictures of Nazi SS officers having good laughs with Reverend Fathers, so i actually do not need a video evidence from you to know if Adolf Hitler was a croon of the catholic church or not. I just wanted to test your resolve before we go into arguments proper, but now that it has been shown that your resolve is absolute then, may Our matured Ethical discussions begin, first and foremost, do you believe in the concept of God?

Why dont you read about Hitlers persucution of the Church here: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_persecution_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Germany

My brother, say no to ignorance.

Dont be like plaettom and the others who have sworn willful ignorance till death.