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Horus:
You should know that 25th of December is not in the summer, get your fact right!.

When did I said that Boko Haram is a Christian group?

I just said in my previous post that I dont deal with beliefs, I deal only with facts. So why do you think that I want you to believe something? Belief is ignorance. Belief is to ignore the facts intentionally or ignorantly. If one has to believe, one does not know, and if one does not know, that is ignorance. Hence, belief is ignorance and religious beliefs without the facts is ignorance; so demand that anyone attempting to impose their religious beliefs, they are to produce the facts. The most deceptive word in religion is “believe” or “belief”, because a person can believe anything, and this means that person can believe, and be 100% wrong. Knowledge is knowing and knowledge is correct information. “To know” gives ones confidence, yet belief infers doubt.

Your accusations are baseless and just claims

You have no proof that Jesus was born in summer since shepherds can graze in Bethlehem winter.

I have proof that you lied.

Sadly, most modern day Christians think that Jesus was born on December 25, a date established by Pope Clement VII (1478-1534 A.D.), a Roman Emperor

michaelwestern:
Dont mind them, they spend 90% of their time on nairaland in religion section arguing about a God they believe does not exist. The question is WHY?

Satan is the one using and pushing them.

Think about all the things you spend most of your time and energy on...is there any of them you believe doesn't exist?

Some are satanists in disguise, pretending to be Atheists. Many are being used by satan without their knowledge.

That's why you see them restless, agitated, bitter and scatter-brained anytime God is mentioned.

It is so bad that as people were preparing to celebrate Christmas at the Vatican, some of them were planning to steal the baby Jesus statue from the crib. Some of them are constantly trying to steal communion so that they can desecrate it in a "satanic mass."

Are these the actions of people who just want to be left in peace? Are these the actions of people who are not influenced by satan?

Horus:
When did I said that?. You give a date without month? Just agree that you cannot deal with facts that he was born in the summer. If you claim that someone say a lie then you have to demonstrate it, otherwise your accusation are just merely a claim, not backed up and not demonstrated by evidence or argument. At the moment you are still unable to demonstrate the veracity of anything you said. No proofs no references, no sources and no facts. All you do is sending unproven accusations by taking part of my post out of context to avoid dealing with facts. You keep rotting in your own negativity

This is the lie you started your post with: "Sadly, most modern day Christians think that Jesus was born on December 25, a date established by Pope Clement VII (1478-1534 A.D.), a Roman Emperor."

How was it taken out of context and what is the proper context?

You accuse him of not offering proof, where is your proof that shepherds cannot graze in Bethlehem winter?

Horus:
No thank! I dont deal with beliefs I deal only with facts. Jesus Was Born In The Summer, just deal with the fact. You are so desperate to try to make me believe that snow can fall in the summer that you are even resorting to weather patterns manipulation. You cannot change the past so you cannot use the HAARP project to change the weather of the past. At the moment you are so busy saying: I dont know what I am talking about that you dont realise that you really dont know what you are talking about.

We should believe Jesus was born in the summer as fact because Horus says so?

We should believe 25th of December was chosen in the 15th century because Horus says so?

We should believe Boko Haram is a Christian group when Horus says so?

We should believe all these unfounded and baseless things if only Horus says them?

Many of them are simply being used by satan. No human being, on his own, would spend so much of his time and life on something that doesn't exist.

philfearon:
If you had brain,and is a reasonable dude as you perceive yourself to be, You should have answered the question in front of you instead of diverting to an off topic argument from another unrelated thread altogether!!
I don't have any beef with you,and it is very childish of you to think so.

I hear.

philfearon:
Another Contradiction:

Luke 24:50-53
[50] When he had led them out to the vicinity
of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed
them. [51] While he was blessing them, he left
them and was taken up into heaven. [52] Then
they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem
with great joy. [53] And they stayed
continually at the temple, praising God.
Acts 1:9-11
[9] After he said this, he was taken up before
their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their
sight.
[10] They were looking intently up into the sky
as he was going, when suddenly two men
dressed in white stood beside them. [11] "Men
of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here
looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who
has been taken (Greek analambano ) from you
into heaven, will come back in the same way
you have seen him go into

There is no contradiction since all stated above actually happened.

One writer only included details which the other didn't include.

philfearon:
You claim there was no contradiction and that it was in my mind,yet all your responses are mere assumptions of what "might"..
Keep assuming,that's how Christianity sells its falseness!!

There cannot be a claim of contradiction if both statements can be true.

You agreed to that.

So my job here is just to show that both statements can be true...and I am doing that.

I am not assuming, I'm painting possible scenarios.

You are the one assuming that Judas paid for the land with the "same silver pieces," when the Bible doesn't necessarily say that.

If you want to debunk the Bible, at least debunk what it says, not what you want it to say.

Thank you.

johnydon22:
lmao... whats with this guy?... hahahahaha am actually seeing who the frustrated one is here hahaha

K

^^^

Horus:
Jesus Was Born In The Summer

Sadly, most modern day Christians think that Jesus was born on December 25, a date established by Pope Clement VII (1478-1534 A.D.), a Roman Emperor. He became Pope in November of 1523-1534. With that, it became believable that Jesus was born on December 25, a winter month. But the mere fact that the shepherds were outdoors in the fields tending their flocks, which they only did in the summer months, Jesus son of Mary was in fact, based on the scriptures of Luke 2:8 born in the summer. In Jerusalem during the month of December, it is very cold, and there is no way this child could be born in the cold.

During the high point of the summer solstice between June 23 through the highest point being June 26, when the sheep would be brazing in the field, is when Jesus son of Mary was born.

Luke 2:8 “And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.”
Luke 2:12 “And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.”
Luke 2:15 “And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known unto us.”
So, this quote refers to Jesus as a babe and the Greek word being used here in the Bible is brephos for newborn or infant. So, as you just read, this proves that the baby Jesus was born during the summer, in the year 7 A.D. based on the death of Herod.

How can we believe this story of yours which begins with an obvious lie in bold...and which has the lie as its anchor?

"When a problem arose between Jacob and Esau, Rebekah convinced Isaac to send Jacob to Padamaram for awhile.
"And Isaac sent away Jacob: and he went to Padanaram unto Laban, son of Bethuel
the Syrian, the brother of Rebekah, Jacob's and Esau's mother." (Gn 28: 5)
Jacob stayed there for twenty years tending Laban's cattle. When he left he had an argument with Laban, his father-in-law, to whom he said:
"38 This twenty years have I been with thee; thy ewes and thy she goats have
not cast their young, and the rams of thy flock have I not eaten. 39 That which was
torn of beasts I brought not unto thee; I bare the loss of it; of my hand didst thou
require it, whether stolen by day, or stolen by night. 40 Thus I was; in the day the
drought consumed me, and the frost by night; and my sleep departed from mine eyes."
( Gn 31: 38- 40 )

The bold above is proof that shepherds can stay in the fields with the sheep on cold winter nights in Israel.

And the part of Israel talked about above is colder than Bethlehem where Christ was born.

philfearon:
So how did Satan use her to fight against God?Did he appear to her and spoke to her? Did he possess her? Was he controlling her mind for her?
What is the correlation between "Fight against God" and "God is Woman" as the lady said?
Brainwashed lots,Always blaming Satan for everything.

It seems you very bitter with me because I am destroying all your arguments about seeming contradictions in the Bible in the other thread.

Calm down and make a reasonable argument instead of trying to win arguments by throwing insults.

Talk like a dignified human being, made in the image and likeness of God; not like an animal that's just like a random meaningless dust particle in the universe.

philfearon:
The bible categorically stated that he bought the field "with the wages of iniquity" …
What other iniquity were they referring to if not the betrayal?
If assumptions are to be made,could you give a dishonest and con man the treasury of your group to hold?

The iniquity could be stealing, for example. And he did keep the treasury.

John 12:6 (He said this not because he cared about the poor, but because he was a thief; he kept the common purse and used to steal what was put into it.)

philfearon:
The truth is,Judas never believed Jesus would have submitted himself to be arrested,because he believed Jesus would have done one of his magic tricks and escaped as usual...
Hence the question:
What was the " wages of iniquity" referred to?

It could be stolen money from the treasury...

Or it could even be that he acquired the land by his death on it. The Bible says "the wages of sin is death."--Rom 6:23...and Acts 1 goes on to explain how his death made everybody stay away from the land.

Or it could be that the Chief Priests bought the land in his name. That would make Judas the legal owner of the land according to the custom of the time.

As long as all the above are possible, you can't claim there is a contradiction.

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ROSSIKE:
ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

The first verse was talking about punishment for the ememies/oppressors of Israel...

The second was dealing with legal matters as the context 24:6-19 shows. The context of the verse is dealing with the legality aspect within the Jewish court system.

There is no contradiction.

Femmymata2:
At times i dön't seem to get it. Which current christian denomination is led by the holyspirit, why so much divisiön and doctrinal difference. Accepted that God hides itself. How about the holy spirit which seems to dwell with them, why is there still confusion in christendom e.g tithes,mode of worship,trinity e.t.c. Why not the holy spirit clarify these and some other ìssues for the unity of the church!!

God gave us his Church 2000 years ago. He gave his Holy Spirit to guide the Church and teach through it.

The problems arise when men reject this Church and its teachings inspired by the Holy Spirit...rather choosing to go with their own personal opinions.

There is nothing like denominations. The only true Church of God is the Catholic Church.

God teaches. He doesn't force men to accept.

Femmymata2:
I felt the bible didn't state categorically that the money judas got from betraying jesus is what he used to buy the field where he hanged himself. Judas seems to be a dishonest person who got money from evil schemes,. Hanging from a tree and falling headlong still not quite, i'm open to corrections though...

Is it impossible that Judas hanged himself, yet fell headlong?

johnydon22:
individual perspectives and the same spirit. i thought the spirit made them write it... i smell this spirit is individual too!!!

Your frustration has been noticed.

Femmymata2:
Mr italo, thanks for clarifying on one of the assumed contradictions. As agnostic/athiest, i appreciate your intelligent respönse. Indeed, many of the percieved contradictions can be rationalized. But it would be difficult to state there are no contradictions at all in the bible, hope to see u address more of the seeming contradictiöns like what exactly mary saw on getting to the tomb of jesus. If the authors of the bible are inspired by God/holy spirit dön't u think they can give better less contradictory accounts. Authors led by the holyspirit shovld fare better than carnal authors

Thanks. Can you post the verses you think are contradictory?

The authors were conveying the message with their individual perspectives, emphasizing different things to different audiences at different times.

philfearon:
I could have,but then, I have shown what I had in mind!!

I see! The contradiction was only 'in your mind.'

philfearon:
You are just a dude on a clapham Omnibus!!

Because I pointed out that it was you who said Judas purchased the land with "the same silver pieces?"

Wouldn't it be more sensible to show us where the Bible said so?

philfearon:
Of course you won't...Are you not a Christian?
Your bible records that Judas threw the silver pieces he got from betraying Jesus to the floor of the temple and left,in another book,it records that he used the same silver pieces to purchase a land....
The question is,which do we believe?
2ndly,if its not a contradiction, then clarify me!!

Firstly, the Bible didn't necessarily say the bold. It's you that said it.

I dont see any contradiction there.

Can you show me?

philfearon:
So,what? I gave the reply you were going to give and you backed out and found another meaningless issue to hold onto and insert your cleverness in it?Great. .
Let me still give you the benefit of the doubt though and point out the contradiction:


Matthew 27:5
Then he threw down the pieces of silver
in
the temple and departed,

After throwing down the pieces of silver and left according to Mathew,Luke said:

Acts 1:18
Now this man purchased a field with the
wages of iniquity

Do you mind clarifying that?
Let's start from here first bro...

I could clarify...but let me understand. You have suddenly abandoned your alleged contradiction of how he died...without explaining how it is a contradiction...only to jump to the issue of the silver pieces?

philfearon:
So,what? I gave the reply you were going to give and you backed out and found another meaningless issue to hold onto and insert your cleverness in it?Great. .
Let me still give you the benefit of the doubt though and point out the contradiction:


Matthew 27:5
Then he threw down the pieces of silver
in
the temple and departed,

After throwing down the pieces of silver and left according to Mathew,Luke said:

Acts 1:18
Now this man purchased a field with the
wages of iniquity

Do you mind clarifying that?
Let's start from here first bro...

The point is you haven't even shown any contradiction...

Its like me calling you a thief and saying the onus is on you to disprove me.

philfearon:
I am the one telling you a contradiction in your book...Proving it is a contradiction is not my work as I didn't write it...
Disproving the contradiction is the work of you spirit-led fellas..The onus is on you to disprove it,not me to prove it!!