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Ifeann:
Hey dude ,
U need to study about the crusades, it was terrible, yes. But do you have any idea what caused it. Do some reading. Google "why we are afraid, by DR. Bill Warner ". Its an excellent you tube lecture on the topic. Either way, Jesus never commanded the crusades, it was a human invention. However, a certain prophet commanded jihad which is still goin on to this very day. That is 1400years and counting. Do u knw as we speak a jihadist is holding 50 people hostage in an Australian cafe right now.

What is wrong with the crusades.

The crusades was a good thing.

All Christians owe their gratitude to those brave men, many with no military training, who fought to defend Christianity from those Muslim terrorists.

Just look at what ISIS is doing today to understand why the crusades were needed.

bolaino:
The Catholic Church will always remain the bane of existence of Christianity.

Strictly put, Catholicism is Christianity and Christianity is Catholicism.

macof:
Hitler was a Christian.

By persecuting the Church and trying to eradicate it, killing thousands of priests and nuns, millions of Christians. That's your pagan definition of 'being Christian,' not ours.

macof:
And The catholic church suppressed development, as a catholic I understand the need to protect ur dogmas in the face of shame

By inventing, norturing and sponsoring science, inventing hospices, universities, charities etc?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Western_civilization By preventing you pagans from using your brothers and sisters as human sacrifices?

That's your pagan understanding of 'suppressing development?' I just hope other pagans are much smarter than you.

Even the Roman alphabets you are using to type now was preserved by Catholic monks after barbarians sacked Rome and tried to eradicate all that had to do with learning and civilization.

vooks:
If it boils down to faith then the tests are unnecessary and waste of time

I may as well claim that we have 100 billion earth like planets 2 trillion light years away from our galaxy and they have life. Would you believe my claim seeing nobody has disproved my claims? Start thinking

I will do my best to contact the doctor and I will get back to you. But before that, here is what I expect...excuses after excuses

Contact the Doctor and the other people in the video...

...and stop making meaningless noise.

Reach the doctor and others involved in the inquiry and stop being the empty vessel making the loudest noise.

vooks:
If it boils down to faith then the tests are unnecessary and waste of time

I may as well claim that we have 100 billion earth like planets 2 trillion light years away from our galaxy and they have life. Would you believe my claim seeing nobody has disproved my claims? Start thinking

I will do my best to contact the doctor and I will get back to you. But before that, here is what I expect...excuses after excuses

So what is evidence?

vooks:
'Caught on tape' is no evidence. I just showed you Indian gods suckling

vooks:
How shameless of you when the church put Galileo on house arrest!

We have enough of Catholic garbage to explore, let's stick to this one. There are no findings to explore in the first place. This is hearsay touted to the hopelessly deluded as miraculous.

Galileo was rejected by "peer review."

Read. Dont be content with ignorance.

There are findings to be explored. These are miracles! A consecrated host miraculously possesses the properties of a living and traumatized heart muscle. Blood group AB.

A Jesus statue weeps and sheds blood. It was caught on tape.

The deluded says it is fake.

SeverusSnape:
I've asked that same question to my religious friends (especially the Christians), Will my father roast me just because I erred...What about God who they say is all loving and most merciful?, come to think of it, we humans only sentence criminals to jail terms after some times, they're released... How will someone who only stole or insulted or lust/committed adultery be in the same place with the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao Zedong, Idi Amin etc... It baffles me, These are not questions for the gods; these are questions for us (most especially religious folks ).

It is not the Father roasting the son, it is the son rejecting and denouncing the Father's love and choosing hell.

The Father allows you to have your choice.

smartshadow:
I am not an atheist and never planning on becoming one. The reason I created this thread Is because I have thought about this for quite some time and I have always wanted an answer.
The Bible describes God as compassionate, caring and loving. The bible also says that those who don't accept Jesus and submit to him will go to hell.
So my question is would a loving God be ok to watch his beautiful creations suffer in hell for all of eternity. Have in mind that many people are born into different families, religions and environments which have a good role to play in them making heaven or not.
Take for instance a child born in saudi arabia into a strict muslim family. He goes to high school and university there and lives most of his life there. Although he might have heard the gospel one time or the other, do you just expect him to just throw away his customs and religion that has been embedded into his mind, soul and body and just turn to Christianity just like that. Let's just say at the age of 25 he has a fatal accident and dies of course most Christians would say hell is the place for him because he didn't accept christ while alive. Would God be ok with seeing that lovely creation of his burn in hell?,someone who really didn't have a choice. You can also use the same scenario for other people from other religions and countries
When Jesus was on earth he demonstrated love and compassion so great it didn't equal that of any man. Will Jesus be comfortable seeing billions of humans roast in hell for ever and ever. I know some people deserve the punishment but is it every one who deserves that sort of suffering.
Henry served God and lived righteous all his life and just 2 hours to his death he tells a lie in his workin place. Would God be happy to see henry who had been so faithful to him weep and burn in hell for ever?
The bible tells us that we are created in the image of God. So let's use this example. If you have ever had a child, you would understand the point I am driving at. I don't think even the parents of mass murderers would even want to see their children experience torture of any kind. No parent would want to see their children experience everlasting torture despite the crime. We are all Gods children and creations no matter the race. Would God be comfortable seeing his beautiful children suffer in hell for all eternity?

Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."

Protestants lying against the Pope since the 16th century...starting with Martin Luther.

And we know Satan is the father of protestantismlies.

Protestants lying against the Pope since the 16th century..

Starting with Martin Luther.

vooks:
Am not having fits just using my God given brains to discern garbage

So the second guy is equally brainwashed? For objectivity, he should employ peer review. Where was the test performed? Findings? Where are the specimens now? What about the remaining flesh? Is it still in a jar?

Thinking is what separates me from other animals. Thank you Lord Jesus for my brains.

Statues bleeding is super m0ronic. I saw an elephant idol in India 'drinking' milk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzhfPSxkdb4

I almost converted to Hinduism before I flashed my junior school science textbooks. Capillarity Action
No different from those luminous beads Catholics worship. BTW my remote control buttons are luminous

If you want to know all those details, reach Dr Ricardo Castanon. He is alive and reachable.

He doesn't owe you anything. He has made his findings. If the peers want to review it, they are always free to apply to do so to the Church, as many have done one the liquefying blood of St. Janarius. The still cant explain why the blood keeps liquefying every year after 1700 years.

But you...you're just a noise maker who does nothing but hide behind your keypads and say anything you like.

Peer review is super flawed...and isnt a standard for anything.

When Galileo said the earth revolved around the Sun, the Church welcomed his view, his fellow scientists "peer review" rejected him.

vooks:
So now it is about legalities?

If Zugibe was gagged, how do we objectively know what he did or what he said?
What about chain of custody? Who knows whether what Zugibe tested was the same piece from South America?
You need to go back to school to refresh or learn for the first time the academic process

If it is not what was taken from South America, then what could it be that would possess all the attributes of a traumatized living human heart, have human DNA, yet lack the normally inevitable individual genetic code?

Who knows whether whatever any/every scientist has/have ever tested is truly what they tested...and if the declared result is actually what the test produced?

Who knows?

It boils down to faith.

You trust what Scientist A is reported to have said...I trust what Scientist B is reported to have said.

I trust it because I trust the people involved. I trust it because you have not proved them wrong.

We are all men of faith, still.

vooks:
It ceases being a matter of faith the moment you throw science heavyweights in your argument. You are appealing to authority and am saying in that case you should go the whole way. We have ALL of Zigube publications going back to I think sixties till his death and there was no mention of this Nobel Grade discovery.

Funny enough, you don't even find this garbage on Official Catholic sites. Christianity and brains are not mutually exclusive except may be among the heavily sedated and indoctrinated Catholics

Zugibe didn't have the legal right to publish it.

The Church went to him to test something...he gave them his findings. Period.

It was living human flesh, heart muscle, blood group AB.

It was a consecrated host.

What should we do? Publish it on New York Times?

vooks:
It ceases being a matter of faith the moment you throw science heavyweights in your argument. You are appealing to authority and am saying in that case you should go the whole way. We have ALL of Zigube publications going back to I think sixties till his death and there was no mention of this Nobel Grade discovery.

Funny enough, you don't even find this garbage on Official Catholic sites. Christianity and brains are not mutually exclusive except may be among the heavily sedated and indoctrinated Catholics

See the way you want to commit suicide over this. If it was a lie against Zugibe, he'd throw a bigger tantrum than yours.

Another Doctor was involved. That one is still alive. You can reach him and confirm from him. He also captured a statue bleed and shed tears on tape.

Dr. Ricardo Castanon-Gomez PhD is a reknowned scientist, former atheist, Catholic convert, and author of the book Cuando La Palabra Hiere (When the Word Hurts). He travels the world investigating Catholic mystical phenomena and runs scientific tests to prove or disprove them. His mission began when he decided to disprove one miracle, and ended up a strong believer.

Longstride:
okay, let's say, for argument's said you're right.... Atheist Soviet leaders in a century, killed more people than Religion has killed throughout history.
What does this prove?

That the post below was a fallacy.

iamodenigbo1:
ok sir,but without religion the world would've been better

Bidam:
Lol, the pope don dey see double. Oya italo where you dey?Con defend ya pope.

Defend him from who? You?

You are asking me questions about the thing you believe the Catholic Church did wrong.

will you answer my questions on the good things the Church has done?

nobilis:
Best thing indeed.
Tell me:
1. What did the Catholic Church do to Galileo Galilei when Galileo told them that it was the earth that revolved around the sun instead of the other way round?
2. What actually led to the Renaissance and religious Reformation in Europe at the end the Dark Ages?
3. Have you ever bothered asking yourself the real reason why a period of human history on earth is called "The Dark Ages"?

Let me not go further. Let's discuss these ones first.
Provide answers please.

So you know we have a faith that is not subverted.

That is good!

Trailblazer1:
Dear Catholics,
Isn't something obviously and seriously wrong with this pope?
He asked you to accept gays, you did without questioning.
He told you that atheists and unbelievers who follow their conscience will make heaven, and you also accepted.
Now he's telling you that animals also have a place in heaven.

Therefore, whoever kills a dog for food commits murder.
Is it the donkey milk he drank at childhood that is affecting him?
Or is he hell bent on subverting the faith?

The problem is : Catholics cannot question the most holy father because he is next to God. But can question pastors.

Even if these lies and half truths were true, the casualty figures are nothing compaed to that of Atheist Soviet leaders alone.

Longstride:
[b] but Religion has had It's fair share in real killings, not bible stories this time.

Let me cite some examples:

1. The Crusades

The Crusades (mainly 1095-1272)
Rudolph J. Rummel estimates the Crusades killed 1 million innocent civilian men, women and children (not in combat).

The First Crusade
In 1095, Pope Urban II launched the blood-letting of The Crusades.
The capture of Jerusalem, 1099. When they took Jerusalem, the Christian army butchered almost every man, woman and little child in the city.

The Second Crusade
St. Bernard of Clairvaux said when launching the Second Crusade: "The Christian glories in the death of a pagan, because thereby Christ himself is glorified."

The genocide of the Cathars (1209–1229)
In 1209, Pope Innocent III called for a crusade to exterminate the Cathar people of France (the Albigensians), simply because they had different superstitious beliefs to his own stupid beliefs. Men, women and children were butchered by the Pope's forces.
Rudolph J. Rummel estimates they butchered 200,000 innocent men, women and children.
Massacre at Béziers (1209)
The Church's War on the Cathars
In 1233, Pope Gregory IX encouraged the extermination of the Stedinger people of Friesland, on the imaginary grounds that they were in league with the (equally-imaginary) Devil. "The devil appears to them in different shapes", said his holiness, "sometimes as a goose or a duck". The entire people were exterminated.


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1. You cant force us to prefer flawed reviews like you

2. They couldnt have been lying against Dr Zugibe, a well known scientist while he was alive, without him challenging them.

3. Read about the flaws of peers reviews on wikipedia.

vooks:
We prefer faulty peer review to Catholic unverifiable junk.Can you show me one flawed peer reviewed work?
Does it bother you that there is NO record nowhere of the lead scientist findings ANWHERE other than your blogs? Yet there are countless papers to his name.
http://66.59.70.135/publish.htm

Only the already indoctrinated believe this trash.

The Pope meets and smiles with everybody...not just Catholics.

Hitler was antiCatholic as his actions and excommunication prove.

I dont believe God killed anyone. Its you that believes so...and its stupidd to say God doesnt exist but he kills.

And i showed how atheists are the worst mass murderers in history, in response to an ignorant atheist who suggested that religion is the main catalyst for killing.

Longstride:

LOL ...keep insulting me, 'man of God' ...I'll turn the other cheek.


a father disowns his son for his heinous act, this doesn't stop his son from being his offspring.

Hitler will always be regarded as a Catholic no matter how much they try to distance themselves from him now.
Hitler was antiCatholic as you claim ... But the pope was all smiles, taking selfies with Hitler.

Again, stop avoiding the main argument.

1.) You cannot point fingers at atheists for doing something that pales in contrast to what you believe your god did.

2.) Even if atheists killed everyone in a whole continent, it doesn't make your god any more true than bullshit.....
The truth does not owe any obligations to anyone..morally or otherwise ..... no matter what you accuse atheists of doing, it doesn't make their disbelief any less true. Your point was irrelevant.

Nowhere have i assumed anything.

i have only been asking what you and unlimitedbosco have done about it.

...and till now, no answer. I even asked what he thinks a good alternative might be...no answer.

never did i say you both have done nothing.

if you have put in effort...of course its good.

Would you like to share your alternative method...if it didnt work in your parish(es), perhaps it can work in others, like mine.

striktlymi:
Sorry brah but you are the one making assumptions. You have no idea what efforts I have put in.

Your problem is gross igorance. There is nothing in your head yet you keep talking instead of learning.

Hitler became head of the Nazi party in 1921.

Hitler was excommunicated in 1931, along with all Nazi leaders...

...before he came into power as Chancellor of Germany in 1933.

Shut up and learn.

Dont be content with ignorance.

Longstride:
you need Christ brother.

Peer reviews are flawed. Very flawed.

Scientists know this.

The reason it is making the rounds on youtube and Catholic blogosphere is that non Catholics aare afraid of exploring it fairly.

Thats the same thing that happens in peer reviews.

Many scientists have confirmed Catholic miracles or failed to disprove them but they dont have the honesty to publish their findings.

It is the same kind of biased censorship we see in the media.

vooks:
This is BS.
Was the findings ever published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal? This is the reason this story is doing rounds on YouTube and Catholicism blogosphere and not in the scientific community.

How comes all you have is somebody saying what a famous scientist said and not the scientist himself?

What is my claim?

Am i the one who said "Take, eat. This is my body which is given up for you?"

Mtchew!

Bidam:
Atleast the disciples NEVER left Him.Can you substantiate your claim by quoting a scripture where his disciples ate his flesh and drank his blood literally?

Hitler was excommunicated in 1931, before he even came into power.

Hitler killed thousands of priests and nuns, millions of Catholics, closed many Churches...persecuted the Church.

He was clearly antiCatholic.

i dont know why you want to ignore these facts just to force your opinion to hold.

Longstride:

Did you read the link I shared?
Adolf Hitler was brought up as a Christian.
The Church like whores, wrapped their legs around him when he was in power. As my first pic proved.
When it turned sour for him,when even Germans saw him as the bad guy, the Church was quick to deny him....typical Catholic behavior... Always whores for anyone in power.

And you have almost successfully avoided the real argument.
1.) You cannot point fingers at atheists for doing something that pales in contrast to what you believe your god did.

2.) Even if atheists killed everyone in a whole continent, it doesn't make your god any more true than bullshit.....
The truth does not owe any obligations to anyone..morally or otherwise ..... no matter what you accuse atheists of doing, it doesn't make their belief any less true. Your point was irrelevant.

Assumptions!

What do you want? A new and better way to raise money for the Church and thank God, replacing the current system?

You dont know the way but you complain about them not using a new way even you dont know?

You never did anything but you concluded that it wont work?

I dont understand.

striktlymi:
What you suggest would go down this way:

Parishioner: Um....Father I have a fantastic method of raising funds for the Church that could even be better than the way harvests and bazaars are organized.

Priest: Wow my son, I am most interested to hear this novel idea.

Parishioner: *Painstakenly tries to explain his idea to the Priest.

Priest: (After 3 hours of convincing from the parishioner) Well my son you have a good idea there I must say.

Parishioner: (Over joyed) Thank you Father. I told them you are different. The Parishioners would be thrilled when they hear this idea would replace the harvest and bazaar.

Priest: (almost choking on his cough) Good heavens NO my son. Don't go about telling them that.

Parishioner: (Very confused) But Father you just agreed with the idea.

Priest: (smiling sheepishly) Of course I agreed to the idea. This idea would be more effective if it is done just before the harvest. Let's have both. It would mean more money.

Parishioner: Father I give up!

The Pope never declared Galileo a heretic. Stop lying.

But how else can you defend your errors?

Image123:
It doesn't sidestep, if not you would not be talking about me believing it's okay to hold contradictory position. The pope declared Galileo an heretic, it's not the same today. That was the simple point. Understanding of doctrines is not the gospel.

Babylon did not exist at the time of the apostles.

Babylon was a code name for Rome.

Is there anywhere scripture says Peter never went to Rome?

If yes, where?

If no, why are you adding your personal tradition to scripture?

Also, what do you mean by scripture? That bible that Jesus or the apostles never mentioned but came from Catholic tradition in the 4th century?

OLAADEGBU:
The Scriptures never said Peter went to Rome. You can only claim this from your "church tradition" which started in the 4th century 400 years after Peter, which is not credible unless you are referring to another Peter. Babylon had a large Jewish population at the time Peter wrote his epistle and he had evidently gone there to preach the gospel. Paul who wrote a letter to Rome around the same time did not hesitate to call the city of Rome by name.

"To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ" (Romans 1:7).

Where was babylon?

Where did scripture say "Peter never went to Rome?"

OLAADEGBU:
The Scriptures never said Peter went to Rome. You can only claim this from your "church tradition" which started in the 4th century 400 years after Peter, which is not credible unless you are referring to another Peter. Babylon had a large Jewish population at the time Peter wrote his epistle and he had evidently gone there to preach the gospel. Paul who wrote a letter to Rome around the same time did not hesitate to call the city of Rome by name.

"To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ" (Romans 1:7).

Thats the convenient thing for you to think.

The man was antiCatholic, killing thousands of priests as i have proved.

i have also proved he was excommunicated.

But you just want to force him to be Catholic, without respect for facts. That way aanyone can say he was Atheist or Muslim or Buddhist...

It doesnt work that way...even if you uploaded 100 memes.

Sorry.

Longstride:

I'm sure you didn't read the whole article.

No matter how you guys tried to deny him after he lost power, Adolf Hitler was one of you!

http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/Catholic/Hitlersfaith-1.html


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