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But that is the rules of the church company.

Why are y'all complaining.

Rules are rules.

Did they force the old lady to be a part of the church company?

nora544:
Please write the name of the church because that is not okay and nigerian pastors make what they want and I live here in europa and I hear never that it is not allowed to wear trousers to church, we wear trousers when it is could or warm because it is more comfortable.

christians from nigeria wake up leave this fake man of god. because this is not christian.

So a church company in Nigeria must copy Europe abi?

opeyemiolu:
I was at a particular church camp ground where a branch of a bank am auditing is situated. I was properly dressed in a pant trouser and office top. I didnot go with my car so I had to join public transport and subsequently, Okada. I got to the gate to go in only to be told by the security personnel that I can't go in because I am wearing a trouser. I was surprised because I have never heard of such before in my life. I told them, I am coming from the office and going for an official assignment in a bank branch within the camp and I was not inform of any such dress code previously. They said the only solution is for me to go back and change to a skirt, wrapper or dress. Alternatively I could call someone from the office am going to bring a car to come and pick me at the gate. I opted for the second option.

I am a size 16 and I feel better cover up in a trouser. Wearing a dress or skirt, I appear more scandalous. Bottomline, I was told if it was during a programme at the camp, that nobody will stop me. I was already tired of religion and this incident just put end to any little faith I have. Hypocrisy everywhere.

If it is their rules that you wear skirt and you wish to be a part of them, why not obey their rules? Did they force you to come there?

In your office, did you challenge the dress code and walk out on the job?

Look inwards, the worse hypocrite might be you.

*not that I support or oppose the rules of that church*

Can y'all make a reasonable argument?

Leave aside the jibes and insults...

...what is this thread meant to tell us?

9inches and tos4u, you don't get the OP. He wants you to believe the Pope is the antichrist because he prayed in a Mosque. That's how deranged some of these charlatans can be.

Syncan:
Let me first of all start by showing you the foolishness in your analogy. Now let me change house or road to something simple...Chair.

According to you:

Supposing dolphinheart heart tells fresky to make a chair, when some people (canticle and captivator) come along, and see fresky working, they ask "what are you doing", does fresky say "dolphinheart is making a chair? No. He says "I am making a chair". When he finishes making the chair, he displays it in his workshop; when people(Rjasan and zyzxx) pass by, they admire it saying "who made this chair"? What will be the answer? Fresky made this chair surely. Now the chair is now in dolphineheart's house the one who owns the chair, he gets some visitors(vest, francistony and Italo) who admires the chair, when they ask "who made this chair? will dolphineheart say " I made it" or will he say "fresky made it".
Even if dolphineheart taught fresky the work or gave birth to fresky, when we come to who made the chair, it will always boil down to fresky and not dolphineheart. Who did fresky make the chair for, he made the chair for dolphineheart. This is completely opposite what the scripture teaches. For even though you try to explain that dolphineheart made the chair through fresky, when we talk of made/create, we know exactly what it means, the primary maker is the one who we mean, every other time we use make without meaning the primary maker, we are only implying something else like "own", or "authorise" et.c. If then the primary creator of the chair is fresky, who will the glory and admiration from the people go to?

According to scripture

1) In Gen1:3. God created the heaven and the earth.... If God had created a god first, where was he? because he has to exist on something outside God. God is the only thing that exists on himself. And why did the scripture not say, a god that God created, created heaven and earth? That would have been the truth.

2) In Jn1:10. He(Jesus) was in the world, and the[b] world was made by him[/b], and the world knew him not...Clearly without mincing words, scripture says that Jesus made the world. Is Jn1:10 contradicting Gen1:1? No. it cannot. But by your analogy, it contradicts completely, for one would be saying "God made the world" while the other says "a god made the world"

3) In Col1:16. all things were created by him, and for him......Scripture is clear here that all things were created by Jesus, and for Jesus. However your analogy shows that a god created all things, and for God. Why you try to make scripture lie is what I don't know.

4) Prov 16:4. The LORD hath made all things for himself...You can put (Yahweh/God) in place of "The LORD" and see what it says, that God has made all things for himself. But you say, "a god has made all things for God".

I can go on and on about the absurdity of what you preach, yet you harden your heart to truth. I can give my own analogy of what I mean, We can see that yours contradicts scripture, and even suggests that scripture contradicts itself.

Syncan, na you go visit coconut head!

*Just kidding.

Youngsage:
lol I should be asking you that, you know.
I wasn't expecting any better reply from you, actually. You and your brother above are in the same category as you reason alike, obviously. A sad and sorry predicament.

This guy, what actually is your problem?

"Advent" is demonic?

McSterling:
So then that flesh contains the DNA of Jesus? Is it safe to say y'all practice cannibalism?

Cannibalism is exactly what the Jews thought Jesus was talking about in the passage below:

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”

52 The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?”

McSterling:
And why does this Eucharistic miracle happen only among Catholics? Why not among Protestants too? I think that would at once convince them of the truth of transubstantiation.

Perhaps because only the Catholic Church possesses and believes Jesus - truly present in the Holy Eucharist.

Protestants don't believe so and do not and cannot possess Jesus in the Eucharist.

Jesus doesn't have to perform Eucharistic miracles in Protestant communities for them to believe im transubstantiation. Jesus didn't perform any miracles outside Israel before the world believed.

Many Protestants just deliberately look away out of misplaced prejidice against Catholicism. They have locked their minds so much so that when God tries to reach them through the Catholic Church, he finds their doors shut.

May God help them.

Realize it is a sin and ask God for forgiveness.

Make up your mind to stop hurting God through that means.

CC- Ishilove, Seun and Obinoscopy

Can we have this on front page?

Youngsage:
lol. Your thinking is funny though. And so is the way you answered my question. Sadly.
What does Bible, and Sunday have in common with private jet that you equate them together?
And who doesn't know that "Bible" is not found anywhere in the Bible?
And that even "Sunday" as a day of the week isn't mentioned either. I bet you know not why.
Do you even know the meaning of the word "Bible"?
Yet you relate those words to your "advent" season which is more like a pillar or doctrine of your sect.

You just feel like making a fool of yourself in public. Why?

mmsen:
Possible is not 'probable'.

I like how you ignored the 'or may not'..

So you believe God or gods possibly exist!

Prove that there is a chance God exists.

davien:
I'm here for the people who influence others based on that belief.

Or you're here to talk about God...a way to put away that innate fear that he might exist after all is said and done.

Aren't you one of those who say that God or gods may exist?

Or do you claim that God or gods have 0% chance of existing?

davien:
So now you're "god"? or are you blaspheming your own belief now?

But we know you're not here for me. You're here to discuss God.

mmsen:
I have never said that god probably exists (please don't make up more lies). It is a theory but it is unlikely to be true.

I pointed out (and I stress) that it is not possible to refute every ridiculous theory that mankind creates.


P.S.
An exclamation mark does not make something true.

Oh! I thought you said 'God may exist' here:

There may or may not be a god or several but it's curious how these gods need spokespeople who often profit financially by using said gods as a means to extract resources from the sheep.

davien:
And we both know the earth is flat too right

You're still here. You just can't have enough of God.

mmsen:
You said 'that is enough' without explain what it is enough for.

I said 'may exist' because a negative cannot be proven.

I might be the Messiah. You might be the devil. Atlantis may have existed. The Loch Ness Monster might be a reality. They might all be true but are all unlikely - likewise Catholic dogma.

A negative can be proven!

You believe God probably exists.

That is enough for me. If it isn't enough for you, then maybe you should prove that there is a possibility of God's existence.

davien:
So because I am active in discussing matters about religion on nairaland that means it's my total life I spend doing it....
I guess internet activity constitutes the sum of ones lifetime to you..

We both know God fills your thoughts.

It's obvious. No need to be ashamed of it.

mmsen:
Because you are the one who claimed that the fact that a negative cannot be proven is 'enough'.

I dunno what you're talking about.

You said 'God may exist.'

I said 'that is enough.'

If you think it isnt enough, then please explain why you think there is a chance that God exists.

davien:
And do you know why bald people don't "attack" hair?....because bald people aren't shoved with hair loving fanatical group books who'd claim hair is necessary to have a good life and anyone without hair is sub-human...
You can keep making presuppositions about me being afraid of your fairy tale...It would only show that you aren't honest enough to bear the burden of proof....but rather have to lie to yourself to keep believing...

Go and sleep...nobody shoves anything on you.

You could be on nairaland talking about sports, science, politics or anything else...but you spend all your life talking about God.

mmsen:
Enough for whom?

There may be a god so everyone should accept Catholic dogma?

The Muslims also claim that there is a god, what happens to their dogma?

How about the Jews?

But it was you who said 'God or gods may exist.'

Why are you then asking me what happens to these religions?

mmsen:
There may or may not be a god or several but it's curious how these gods need spokespeople who often profit financially by using said gods as a means to extract resources from the sheep.

The bold is enough.

davien:
So you think I "know"or "fear "god"....lol.
You can keep telling yourself that, it probably helps you sleep better at night believing atheists fear "god".
while your at it why not say bald people fear hair?

Bald people dont spend all their days attacking hair.

I KNOW you know or fear God exists, that's why you can't find rest.

You're always on God's case.

davien:
I wonder how you can assume people fear "god" when you don't fear allah nor thor nor krishna nor xenu....or perhaps you are masking that fear too?

I largely ignore all these names you mentioned.

Many Atheists cant ignore God because they fear or know he is real. They spend all their lives and energy talking and thinking about him.

It's a little like when a girl is always saying something bad about a guy...most times, she wants him. If she didn't she'd just ignore him and act as though he didn't exist.

davien:
All you need is change it to http://www.
And by definition...anything scientific plausible is not a miracle.

Thanks.

The miracles in the video aren't scientifically explainable.

That's why the scientists are puzzled.

Youngsage:
Really?

That must be written by italo, or Ayo Oritsejafor, Am I wrong

I think I need to have a look at that version of yours!

Ah! So "Bible" is not written in your own Bible...yet you demand to see advent in it.

Dominus vobiscum.

^^^Amen.

ayoku777:
I'm a christian and I don't believe in crazy superstitions either. Even God warned against it in scripture.

Isaiah 8v12 -Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear nor be afraid.

God himself asks us not to give bogus spiritual explanations to every single thing. Because He created the laws by which his creation is governed.

So a lot of things in creation are just the handiwork of these laws.

But how is postulating that maybe, just maybe, the blood is still unputrefied because dinosaurs didn't live million of years ago, but just thousands as the Holy book claimed.

How is that so laughable and ridiculous? I'm not talking of all the other allegations of superstitious people that even God warned against.

It's not laughable to him. He just uses that to mask his fear...fear of confronting the idea that God might exist.

Syncan:
My gee, I de feel you. however, truth remains that, if for the love of Christ you did it thus, you're bearing it as a mark just like martyrdom... which people are still undergoing in boko haram, IsIs and the like territories. One thing to ponder is this: when they are asked at Judgement,"Italo did it, why could you not do same, instead of killing an unborn child..."? What will be their answer.


Good morning, a splendid day ahead to all.

Morning, bro.

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Below is a narration of what happened in one of the miracles in the video...for those who might not have the time or data to watch it.

http://www.loamagazine.org/nr/the_main_topic/eucharistic_miracle_in_buenos.html

A consecrated Host becomes flesh and blood

At seven o’clock in the evening on August 18, 1996, Fr. Alejandro Pezet was saying Holy Mass at a Catholic church in the commercial center of Buenos Aires. As he was finishing distributing Holy Communion, a woman came up to tell him that she had found a discarded host on a candleholder at the back of the church. On going to the spot indicated, Fr. Alejandro saw the defiled Host. Since he was unable to consume it, he placed it in a container of water and put it away in the tabernacle of the chapel of the Blessed Sacrament.
On Monday, August 26, upon opening the tabernacle, he saw to his amazement that the Host had turned into a bloody substance. He informed Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, who gave instructions that the Host be professionally photographed. The photos were taken on September 6. They clearly show that the Host, which had become a fragment of bloodied flesh, had grown significantly in size. For several years the Host remained in the tabernacle, the whole affair being kept a strict secret. Since the Host suffered no visible decomposition, Cardinal Bergoglio decided to have it scientifically analyzed.
On October 5, 1999, in the presence of the Cardinal’s representatives, Dr. Castanon took a sample of the bloody fragment and sent it to New York for analysis. Since he did not wish to prejudice the study, he purposely did not inform the team of scientists of its provenance. One of these scientists was Dr. Frederic Zugiba, the well-known cardiologist and forensic pathologist. He determined that the analyzed substance was real flesh and blood containing human DNA. Zugiba testified that, “the analyzed material is a fragment of the heart muscle found in the wall of the left ventricle close to the valves. This muscle is responsible for the contraction of the heart. It should be borne in mind that the left cardiac ventricle pumps blood to all parts of the body. The heart muscle is in an inflammatory condition and contains a large number of white blood cells. This indicates that the heart was alive at the time the sample was taken. It is my contention that the heart was alive, since white blood cells die outside a living organism. They require a living organism to sustain them. Thus, their presence indicates that the heart was alive when the sample was taken. What is more, these white blood cells had penetrated the tissue, which further indicates that the heart had been under severe stress, as if the owner had been beaten severely about the chest.”
Two Australians, journalist Mike Willesee and lawyer Ron Tesoriero, witnessed these tests. Knowing where sample had come from, they were dumbfounded by Dr. Zugiba’s testimony. Mike Willesee asked the scientist how long the white blood cells would have remained alive if they had come from a piece of human tissue, which had been kept in water. They would have ceased to exist in a matter of minutes, Dr. Zugiba replied. The journalist then told the doctor that the source of the sample had first been kept in ordinary water for a month and then for another three years in a container of distilled water; only then had the sample been taken for analysis. Dr. Zugiba’s was at a loss to account for this fact. There was no way of explaining it scientifically, he stated. Only then did Mike Willesee inform Dr. Zugiba that the analyzed sample came from a consecrated Host (white, unleavened bread) that had mysteriously turned into bloody human flesh. Amazed by this information, Dr. Zugiba replied, “How and why a consecrated Host would change its character and become living human flesh and blood will remain an inexplicable mystery to science—a mystery totally beyond her competence.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz9L2EYjjsc#

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