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Kay 17:
yeah right in your mind! a being, you ve had no communication with, neither seen or heard. what is the difference between him and santa claus?

Look around you my dear friend; look into the sky and see the Millions of stars floating in it; each one bigger than the earth; moving around in perfection with no collision. In theory many meteors are moving in random motion in space all with a probability of hitting the earth; but yet none has hit the earth; do you think it is all by accident or luck that the earth has not been hit by any of those meteors!. There must have been a master planner; master controller and coordinator.

Look at the human system; it is an absolute perfection. We couldn't have been created better. From the Circulatory system, Respiratory system; excretory system. Everything is working in perfect consonance and you think that all that happened by ACCIDENT! as propounded by the Big bang theory that I think you believe in !. Oh no all those perfection you see in the creation of man; and the creation of this earth are all indications of the existence of a perfect creator.

I leave you with this verse of the NOBLE QURAN:
Q31:10-11:
"He has created the heavens without any pillars that you see; and has set on the earth firm mountains lest it should shake with you. And He has scattered therein moving creatures of all kinds. And we send down water from the sky; and We cause (plants) of every goodly kind to grow therein.
11.) This is the creation of Allah. So show Me that which those besides him have created. Nay, the [b](Wrong-doers' polytheists, and those who do not believe in the oneness of Allah) are in plain error"[/b]

Kay 17:
its an apparent flaw of god, just admit it. Rest is necessary for all organisms and the writer of the Genesis, felt god was no different. he shares similar attributes with man, breathes, thankful and appreciative, has plans, envious, and jealous, displays anger. whats the difference?

It shows how little you think of the Almighty creator. Do you think the God that created the Heavens and The earth and all that is in between (Stars, planets, Sun, Moon, uncountable animals and plants in perfection); is a GOD that will get tired! Have you no reasoning; He only says "Be" and it happens.

Quran 2:117
"The Originator (Allah) of the heavens and the earth. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it: "Be!" - and it is."

Ovamboland:
Haba Huxley! you just pour san-san to your brothers garri of such a beautiful, well crafted, blockbuster story that is capable of converting the whole muslim world and left the poor guy addled to give any coherent response.

If that is not wickedness   then tell me what it is

May God help us in this Nation of ours, a lot of people have been turned to morons by these pentecostal churches; they have simply lost their sense of reasoning.Some stories you hear are shocking; it is not uncommon these days for the Pastor to accuse the Mother-in-law, biological Mother, siblings, wife etc for making someone retrogress in life. They keep their followers in perpetual fear of one invisible devil; if they fail their exams in School; they accuse the devil; if their child is sick; it is the devil; if their car crashes; it is the devil. Every new year is "My year of unlimited Success"; "My year of unstoppable breakthrough"; "my Year of Excellence" etc. They have just 2 focus points: Materialism and Fear. May God save us.

frosbel:
Original Sin

A Muslim wrote,

    "Christianity believes in the "Original Sin" and that we all inherited the sin of Adam hence we are all born "sinful" while Islam teaches that we are all born "sinless" and with a clean slate. We are responsible only for what we ourselves have done. , Christianity basically "Blames you for something you did not do (Adam)"

Response

On the surface, the Muslim's charge seems reasonable. Because, if God were to condemn a person to hell just because he was in the lineage of Adam, it would seem unjust and cruel. Christians would agree with this assessment. God acts with fair and holy justice. Hence, logically, God does not condemn persons to hell simply because they are human beings.

In fact, Holy Scripture gives the clear reasons for the judgment of human beings. It says that each person will be judged according to what he had done. Nowhere in the Scriptures does it say that human beings will be condemned to hell because they were an off-spring of Adam. The book of Revelation Chapter 20 verses 11 to 13 makes this absolutely clear.

    11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.
    12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
    13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. Rev 20:11-13 (NIV)


Again, the gospel account of Matthew affirms this too. The coming judgment of the living is not based upon being an offspring of Adam. It is based upon what the person did during his life. Did the person care for the stranger who was hungry and thirsty? Did the person provide the stranger with clothes and medicine? Did the person visit the stranger when he was in prison?

    31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory.
    32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
    33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
    34 "Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
    35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,
    36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
    37 "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?
    38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you?
    39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
    40 "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
    41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
    42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,
    43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
    44 "They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
    45 "He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
    46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." Matt 25:31-46 (NIV)


So, we repeat that scripture does not say that human beings will be eternally judged because of what Adam did. Everyone will be judged because of their own individual sin and wickedness. 

Individual actions of kindness and love are vitally important, because they reflect the true nature of God. God is not impressed by mechanical religious acts. In fact, God hates mechanical acts of devotion. They are useful only as fuel for the flames of hell.

Original Sin

If human beings are not responsible for the sin of Adam, then, "What do Christians mean by the concept of Original Sin?"

First of all, it means that Adam and Eve were the first ones to sin. Originally, Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden.  As a result of their sin, they were judged and made to leave the garden of Eden. Genesis Chapter 3 states,

    16 To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."
    17 To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life.
    18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field.
    19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return."
    23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken.
    Gen 3:16-19, 23  (NIV)


In summary, God's judgment included the following (Genesis 3:16-19),

    1. Adam and Eve were banished from the garden of Eden. They would not have the same sense of God presence with them as they had when they were in the garden of Eden. Spiritually speaking, they became 'lost.'
    2. Eve would have pain in childbirth.
    3  Adam would have to work hard for sustenance.
    4. Adam and Eve would die.

So, Original Sin refers to the past sin of Adam and Eve and the past judgment of God for the first human sin. The Original sin has already be judged, so it makes no sense to think that subsequent human beings will be judged for Adam and Eve's sin. Scripture is clear that humans will be judged for their own individual sins.

What about the effects of the judgment of God for the original sin of Adam and Eve? It seems that the consequences of Adam and Eve's sin are with us today. The penalty for the Original Sin is all around us.

    1. Human beings don't live in the Garden of Eden.
    2. Women have pain in childbirth.
    3. Humans have to work for their food.
    4. Human beings die.

To deny the existence of Original Sin is to deny the four statements above. Now, it would seem difficult for a Muslim to deny these four facts. Death occurs as much for a dog as it does for a prophet.  Muhammad died, and his flesh became food for maggots and worms.  All that remains of his body is dust and possibly some dry bones.  His tomb (Maksurah)  in Medina (Al-Madinah) is a popular destination during Hajj. It is located within the Masjid an-Nabwi (Prophets' mosque) which features a green dome with 10 minarets. Muslim pilgrims may reject the notion of Original Sin, but Muhammad's tomb witnesses to them during Hajj that the doctrine of Original Sin is true. Muhammad himself could not escape the consequences of Original Sin.

If Adam and Eve had not sinned, then all human beings would still be enjoying the presence of God in the Garden of Eden. There would be no pain, no toiling, nor death. Human beings would not have lost their way before God. There would be no need for prophets or a Savior.

In conclusion, the Christian doctrine of Original Sin corresponds to present-day reality. A person might deny its truth and might even preach against it. Yet, people are lost; they die; they experience birthing pain, and someone must work hard for life's necessities. You cannot escape Original Sin. As much as people would like to be eternally youthful, they die. Those in the past who preached against Original Sin were conquered by it and now their mortal remains lie buried beneath the ground until the Day of Judgment. Every tomb and graveyard silently cries out, proclaiming the truthfulness of the doctrine of Original Sin.

When the Day of Resurrection occurs, each person was judged according to what he had done (Rev 20:13). What Adam and Eve did in the Garden of Eden does not determine your future destiny when The Judgment of the Last Day arrives. So, dear Reader be concerned about your own sins and the coming judgment of the Last Day.

Your view is so different from what I have heard uncountable Christians preach. If Original sin means the inevitable demise of every human being; then that makes sense. Although Muslims don't see death as punishment but a means to greater end or God forbid Hell!. The life of this world is a test for mankind; if you fulfill the wishes of your lord then He would reward you with paradise which is uncountable times better than the life of this world. Hence; death itself isn't punishment; even though it is painful to lose someone and we all hate to die.

Allah says in the Holy Quran (Suratul QAF; 50:38):
"And indeed We (Allah) created the heavens and the earth and all between them in 6 days and nothing of fatigue touched us"

In Quran 32:4:
"Allah it is He who has created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them in six days. Then He rose over the throne. You (mankind) have none besides Him, as a protector or an intercessor. Will you not then remember(or receive admonition)?

Surely, truthful are the words of Allah(The one worthy of all praise); and He is greater far beyond fatigue and needs no rest.

Mrs. Kalu alleged that the pastor told her that a prophesy session revealed that her children were under the spell of ‘ancestral spirits' and subsequently asked them to embark on a fast, and produce various objects that would be used for a deliverance service.

The mother of four, in a bid to cleanse her children from the influence of the ‘ancestral spirit' complied with the directives of the church and provided the requirements for the deliverance of her children.

The above statement showed pre-meditated deceit and intention to extort Mrs Kalu under false pretence of rendering a genuine service.Definitely, the pastor had no spiritual power of any sort otherwise He should have been able to provide the girl's whereabout by now; with his mystical powers that He used to detect that Children are under a spell. I watched the TV telecast and the pastor was visibly shaken; just like other criminals in police net.

He directed me to one Evangelist Mary Smart, who told me to bring N10,000, she said she was supposed to charge me N100,000 for the deliverance but since they know that I cannot afford it, I should just come with N10,000. She asked me to also bring native egg, native sponge, 21 unripe plantain, five N5 and N10 notes, palm oil and groundnut oil for the deliverance. I gave them N8,000 and all what they asked for, they now told me that me and my children should fast, around 1.00am.

The pastor and the evangelist furthermore deceives Mrs Kalu to part with =N=8,000 and also requested her to provide things that appear like "JUJU" materials to me. What else could this be if not "419". What is the difference between this and duping someone.

Missing after ‘deliverance.'

Mr. Akpan and one Mary Smart, an evangelist, allegedly performed the said deliverance in March. However, a catch arose when Mrs. Kalu woke the next morning in the church to discover that her daughter, a junior secondary two student, was missing.

This was in March, the GO and the evangelist conducted the deliverance inside their church, me and my children slept off but when I woke up in the morning, I did not see my 15 years old daughter again. I raised alarm and the pastor and the evangelist told me that I should not report to the police that God will bring my daughter back, so since March now I have not seen her and that was why I went to report to the police."

Suddenly daughter goes missing; pastor tells her not to report to police; Doesn't this look like a clear case of abduction.

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Pastor, church members arrested over missing girl

BY PATIENCE OGBO

May 3, 2010 12:45AM
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A pastor, Samuel Akpan, 32, and three other members of his church have been arrested for allegedly kidnapping a 15 year old girl, Chinedu Kalu.

The incident happened at Ejigbo, a Lagos suburb, last month when the mother of the girl, Mariam Kalu, took her four children to the Truth Foundation Healing Church for deliverance.

Mrs. Kalu alleged that the pastor told her that a prophesy session revealed that her children were under the spell of ‘ancestral spirits' and subsequently asked them to embark on a fast, and produce various objects that would be used for a deliverance service.

The mother of four, in a bid to cleanse her children from the influence of the ‘ancestral spirit' complied with the directives of the church and provided the requirements for the deliverance of her children.

Missing after ‘deliverance.'

Mr. Akpan and one Mary Smart, an evangelist, allegedly performed the said deliverance in March. However, a catch arose when Mrs. Kalu woke the next morning in the church to discover that her daughter, a junior secondary two student, was missing.

"Last month, I told one of my friends that I need prayer for my children, she then carry me go this Calabar church called Truth Foundation Healing Ministry," said Mrs. Kalu. "I met with the reverend and they asked me to bring my children for prayers. When we got there, the GO (General overseer) said that my children have ancestral spirit disturbing them so that was how he asked us to come for deliverance.

He directed me to one Evangelist Mary Smart, who told me to bring N10,000, she said she was supposed to charge me N100,000 for the deliverance but since they know that I cannot afford it, I should just come with N10,000. She asked me to also bring native egg, native sponge, 21 unripe plantain, five N5 and N10 notes, palm oil and groundnut oil for the deliverance. I gave them N8,000 and all what they asked for, they now told me that me and my children should fast, around 1.00am.

This was in March, the GO and the evangelist conducted the deliverance inside their church, me and my children slept off but when I woke up in the morning, I did not see my 15 years old daughter again. I raised alarm and the pastor and the evangelist told me that I should not report to the police that God will bring my daughter back, so since March now I have not seen her and that was why I went to report to the police."

Mr. Akpan denied any complicity in the disappearance, and claimed that the child was suffering from autism, which might have caused her to wander off the premises and get lost. He expressed his optimism that God would vindicate him.

"This woman came for deliverance with her children," he said. "That particular child that is missing now is an slowpoke. The mother brought her for prayers and we prayed for her and the other children in my church. I left them inside the church and went to sleep after the deliverance which was about 1.00am.

When I woke up and came to the church the next morning, she came to me [and said] that her daughter was missing. We looked around for her but we did not see her. I told her that God will bring her back and she even reassured me that it was not the first time the girl will disappear like that. So I said we should pray. I did not report to the police because I believe that God will bring her back."

Police reaction

Reacting, Frank Mba, the spokesperson for the Lagos police command, warned that religious organizations would be held responsible for anybody who is declared missing while in their custody.

"It is unfortunate that this woman went to seek for spiritual help for her children and now her daughter is missing, right inside the church," he said. "We implore people to practice their religion within the confines of the law.

Mr. Mba expressed dismay that the case was not reported to the police immediately it happened, but promised that the police would continue investigations into locating the missing girl.

"We are working hard to locate this girl and reunite her with her family," he said. "Anybody found guilty of the crime will be prosecuted. This girl has gone missing since March but the case was never reported to the police; a responsible clergyman should have reported immediately and this speaks a lot of volume. The commissioner of police has ordered a discreet investigation into the matter."

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Pastor, church members arrested over missing girl

BY PATIENCE OGBO

May 3, 2010 12:45AM
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A pastor, Samuel Akpan, 32, and three other members of his church have been arrested for allegedly kidnapping a 15 year old girl, Chinedu Kalu.

The incident happened at Ejigbo, a Lagos suburb, last month when the mother of the girl, Mariam Kalu, took her four children to the Truth Foundation Healing Church for deliverance.

Mrs. Kalu alleged that the pastor told her that a prophesy session revealed that her children were under the spell of ‘ancestral spirits' and subsequently asked them to embark on a fast, and produce various objects that would be used for a deliverance service.

The mother of four, in a bid to cleanse her children from the influence of the ‘ancestral spirit' complied with the directives of the church and provided the requirements for the deliverance of her children.

Missing after ‘deliverance.'

Mr. Akpan and one Mary Smart, an evangelist, allegedly performed the said deliverance in March. However, a catch arose when Mrs. Kalu woke the next morning in the church to discover that her daughter, a junior secondary two student, was missing.

"Last month, I told one of my friends that I need prayer for my children, she then carry me go this Calabar church called Truth Foundation Healing Ministry," said Mrs. Kalu. "I met with the reverend and they asked me to bring my children for prayers. When we got there, the GO (General overseer) said that my children have ancestral spirit disturbing them so that was how he asked us to come for deliverance.

He directed me to one Evangelist Mary Smart, who told me to bring N10,000, she said she was supposed to charge me N100,000 for the deliverance but since they know that I cannot afford it, I should just come with N10,000. She asked me to also bring native egg, native sponge, 21 unripe plantain, five N5 and N10 notes, palm oil and groundnut oil for the deliverance. I gave them N8,000 and all what they asked for, they now told me that me and my children should fast, around 1.00am.

This was in March, the GO and the evangelist conducted the deliverance inside their church, me and my children slept off but when I woke up in the morning, I did not see my 15 years old daughter again. I raised alarm and the pastor and the evangelist told me that I should not report to the police that God will bring my daughter back, so since March now I have not seen her and that was why I went to report to the police."

Mr. Akpan denied any complicity in the disappearance, and claimed that the child was suffering from autism, which might have caused her to wander off the premises and get lost. He expressed his optimism that God would vindicate him.

"This woman came for deliverance with her children," he said. "That particular child that is missing now is an slowpoke. The mother brought her for prayers and we prayed for her and the other children in my church. I left them inside the church and went to sleep after the deliverance which was about 1.00am.

When I woke up and came to the church the next morning, she came to me [and said] that her daughter was missing. We looked around for her but we did not see her. I told her that God will bring her back and she even reassured me that it was not the first time the girl will disappear like that. So I said we should pray. I did not report to the police because I believe that God will bring her back."

Police reaction

Reacting, Frank Mba, the spokesperson for the Lagos police command, warned that religious organizations would be held responsible for anybody who is declared missing while in their custody.

"It is unfortunate that this woman went to seek for spiritual help for her children and now her daughter is missing, right inside the church," he said. "We implore people to practice their religion within the confines of the law.

Mr. Mba expressed dismay that the case was not reported to the police immediately it happened, but promised that the police would continue investigations into locating the missing girl.

"We are working hard to locate this girl and reunite her with her family," he said. "Anybody found guilty of the crime will be prosecuted. This girl has gone missing since March but the case was never reported to the police; a responsible clergyman should have reported immediately and this speaks a lot of volume. The commissioner of police has ordered a discreet investigation into the matter."

Me_Aboki:
Considering the venom in majority of the posts against this man Yarima, and also the multiciplity of the threads started against him, on the same subject of his alleged marriage to a 13 year old.

It is therefore not difficult to imagine that the country would soon not be a welcomed place for him to live.
So if I were him, I would take my young bride and settle in Spain where the age of sexual consent is still 13  i.e the same as that of the alleged bride; or better still seek asylum at the Vatican where it is just only 12 years.

Afterall, child intimacy abuse is common among catholic priests and the Pope is reknown for covering up for them - just as I would imagine he would cover up for Yarima, should he (Yarima) take my advice and seek asylum at the Vatican.  

KPOM. IT could have been a lot easier for him.

Help your self. Click the link below it may guide you to your answer. I don't know the bible that much to deduce it for you. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01541c.htm . I also know the day Jesus was born is not written in the bible but deduced by theologians.

FL Gators:
Apart from that being brainwashing, did you in any pix see the CHILD show any sign of content and happiness? Any sign of gratitude and joy? Or are you going to also assume that where she came from, young girls her age dont smile or show any facial expression of contentment?

I beg you, in the name of whatever you serve, dont make this a personal discussion, my family and their well being is none of your concern. . . . thank you.
Is this where I'm supposed to flinch in shock, be surprised?

Perhaps this should be the shocker; MARY (Mother of JESUS); according to the christian tradition married JOSEPH when she was between the ages (12 - 14 years old). Joseph was much much older in the region of 90 years old. Does that make him too a pedophile. And Mary a "Sad Sad Mary"

FL Gators:
And I hope that you understand that under all these laws, there's an undeniable human right that goes with it. A person has a right to decide on who he/she wants to marry and perform sexual intimacy with.

This is a forced alliance. . . . I doubt a 13 years old girl would wake up one day and run to her parents, begging to marry a man 4 times her age.

Wouldnt it have been lovely to have your kitty and unripened bosom ripped apart without consent.

Disgusting! What you ppl will do/say to justify your allah's "law".

Pls. do not go the way of Religion. Lets keep it at the level of secular laws. Ask your pastor at what age did Joseph marry Mary (Mother of Jesus). I am not surprised that you doubt it that 13 year old will agree to marry an older man, because your sister, aunty, mother, grand-monther, cousin didn't marry at that age. Here, in the core north she has seen / witnessed her friend, her sister, her cousin, her aunty marry at such young ages so don't be surprised she won't even bat an eyelid before accepting the offer.

Just to clarify, there is no stipulated age for a girl to get married in Islam; the criteria is that she must have attained puberty and she is capable of performing the act or the act will not be detrimental to her well-being.

FL Gators:
My beliefs and ideals might not be superior, but it sure does determine that your way of thinking is unreasonable and ped/ophillic [that should be a word].

A child's awareness and character depends on how she was brought up, true. But are you aware that there IS a right and wrong way to bring up a child? My opinion.

This is despoil, Unfair to the child, even nasty and physically/psychologically wrong. You think not? Your opinion, but dont you dare cast my opinion as IGNORANCE. I hope we understand ourselves.

My love for the parents and child of this struggle is none of your concern, and once again, I'll advice you to not make useless assumptions.

If my way of thinking is unreasonable by your assertion then it follows that the way of thinking of about the whole world is also "unreasonable". I just quoted the laws of countries in Europe, America, and the Vatican that accept it as legal to contract sex as such early ages. Perhaps I should remind you again: For the VATICAN it is 12 years old; In spain 13 years old; Massachussets as low as 12 years old; New Hampshire 13 years old. I guess all these states are pe /dophilic too.

FL Gators:
She got married at the age she WANTED to, not the age she was forced and brainwashed to.
Please stop trying to justify this disgusting crime, pathetic and disgusting. It's not even the fact that she'll be forced to perform carnal actions with an overgrown wrinkle-eaten co//ck, she's too young to understand the duties of a wife.

Let her be a child before she becomes a woman.
Sadly, you dont know me, so I'll suggest you cease from making your assumptions. . . .

This is despoil, like wdh is wrong with your whack way of thinking? Ki lo n se e?
Do you think she wants to lie under a smelly man? Define despoil in your own terms. . . . bare in mind that despoil is not ONLY despoil when a woman screams "No", there are situations when she's forbidden to talk or situations when she's unable to decline.

PARENTAL CONSENT OSHI WO?! WHAT ABOUT THE CHILD'S CONSENT?

What gives you the impression that she was forced to. On what basis is it a crime By your own personal law. A child's awareness and character depends on how she is brought up; and if you think your ideals and beliefs supercede others then I leave you to languish in your ignorance. I still maintain that you don't love these girls more than their parents; and I am sure no parent will wish their daughter bad.

Perhaps you should also question why the Vatican allows a girl to contract sex with a man @ age 12.Afterall thats is the biggest Christian state known.

chic2pimp:
See dis Billy He Goat justifying paedophilia.

You sir/ma'am are a bloody waste of space.

You are just a poorly educated "HE_GOAT" if I may use your word; whom finds it difficult to respond objectively to issues but would rather result to "insults" because He can't back up his opinion or idea. Forums are meant for intellectual debate / arguments, not for verbal attacks or insults.

FL Gators:
I seriously hope you're not in any way trying to call pe/do/philia a normality just because of the Sharia Law. . . . a man-made law that justifies the forceful alliance of an undeveloped child with an overgrown agbaya. Not every law is reasonable/ethical.

Which one is most? My mom did not marry at age 12 abeg. "Very early", are you serious? rotfl

What age did your mother get married And I didn't say specifically 12 years old; but I said early. In contemporary times; early might mean 22 - 23 years downwards. Besides most people already had canal knowledge of a girl from 16 years downwards; so stop making it sound so ridiculous.

Those European / American laws quoted are not shariah nor Islamic laws they are western laws you all mostly claim to be supreme. I guess the problem with people like you is you don't mind if a girl of 13 years old is fornicating about but it becomes a big deal when she is married!. live with it; it is the culture in the North. We all have our cultures and I think it is worthy to respect other people's culture. This is not rape; there was parental consent and I don't think you love that Egyptian 13 year old more than her parents.

FL Gators:
Hmm, I get what you saying. . . . . . even if the dude was 20, it's still pathetic.

Middle ages. . . . this is not the middle ages, that excuse is very pathetic if that's what you people are trying to use to justify this CRIME

The laws just quoted are not that of middle-ages; they are the laws operable now. A lot of us are just trying to excuse the obvious or are just outrageously bias. While growing up I can mention at least 2 girls in that age-bracket that were girl-friends of even older colleagues (May be 25 - 26 years at that time). These girls were fully matured in their outward appearance and most guys then didn't think of it as pedophilia. I am not saying it is alright to have canal knowledge of girls at a very novice age; but I am also saying that Cultures that permit early marriage are not inferior.

Most of our parents married very early and they groomed us to become what we are today; besides YERIMA didn't rape her, He married her with her parent's consent.

Recently, the press, NGOs and Nigerians went agog on the Issue of Senator Yerima getting married to a 13 year old girl. Some have gone ahead to call him a craddle-robber. Since I never knew a law preventing someone from marrying someone of that age-bracket in Nigeria, I decided to do some research. What I found was more shocking; In most of the developed World (Western World) the age of sexual activity was sanctioned on 2 basis:

1.)Age of Consent (Age at which you can contract intimacy without Marriage)
2.)Marriageable Age.

In Europe Most countries have an age of consent ranging from 14 to 17, the exceptions being Vatican State (age 12); Spain (age 13); and Malta and Turkey (both age 18). (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe )

In the US. the most common "age of consent" is 16 years old ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America )

Marriageable ages are mostly set higher than "Age of Consent" (hereby encouraging pre-marital intimacy). In the US most states have it set at 16 years old with parental consent but in some states like Masachussets it is as low as 12 years old (for a female) 13 years old in Minnesota, 15 years old in Utah. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriageable_age#North_America ).

So I thought, perhaps if Yerima had more Info. He could simply have taken his beautiful Egyptian 13 year old to the Vatican and shanked her very well; but I think He did a more honourable thing; He married her with her Parent's consent. How unlawful that is in Nigeria; I don't know as I am yet to find enough data for Nigeria.

frosbel:
What !!!!!!!


Is Nigeria now governed by Sharia or Secular customs?

Obviously he has not broken Sharia Law because it is the norm, but the federal government has the right to draw the line in certain grievous cases such as this.

We cannot allow this happen, girls at that age need a life and not to be frolicked by some old spent force!

Recently, the press, NGOs and Nigerians went agog on the Issue of Senator Yerima getting married to a 13 year old girl. Some have gone ahead to call him a craddle-robber. Since I never knew a law preventing someone from marrying someone of that age-bracket in Nigeria, I decided to do some research. What I found was more shocking; In most of the developed World (Western World) the age of sexual activity was sanctioned on 2 basis:

1.)Age of Consent (Age at which you can contract intimacy without Marriage)
2.)Marriageable Age.

In Europe Most countries have an age of consent ranging from 14 to 17, the exceptions being Vatican State (age 12); Spain (age 13); and Malta and Turkey (both age 18). (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe )

In the US. the most common "age of consent" is 16 years old ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America )

Marriageable ages are mostly set higher than "Age of Consent" (hereby encouraging pre-marital intimacy). In the US most states have it set at 16 years old with parental consent but in some states like Masachussets it is as low as 12 years old (for a female) 13 years old in Minnesota, 15 years old in Utah. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriageable_age#North_America ).

So I thought, perhaps if Yerima had more Info. He could simply have taken his beautiful Egyptian 13 year old to the Vatican and shanked her very well; but I think He did a more honourable thing; He married her with her Parent's consent. How unlawful that is in Nigeria; I don't know as I am yet to find enough data for Nigeria.

frosbel:
Has it ? REALLY ?

Stop wasting your time with people like frosbel; He hates Islam, He is trying to preach his hate but yet trying so hard to hide it. All He has said is utter garbage. Non-interest banking is good, even acknowledged by him; but because It is a concept originating from Muslims it must not be allowed or it must be painted black!. That's his ideologyE even if Shariah banking system is a means of spreading Islamic Ideology; so what is wrong with that!. Was western education not used grossly to spread christianity in Nigeria!.

\learn to look at the merits of ideas and systems without bias. I advice you @ Frosbel to learn more about Islam perhaps it would help you out of your hate.

Wow this PZ people are really causing tension here o, na so me sef they check every text and unknown call with anticipation; I wish you all the best; meanwhile man no siddon dey look, trying my hands on some other things. Self employment is the best, most employment are professional labour slavery .if you can't realise it now you should at least be dreaming it