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Politics / Re: Supreme Court Judges That Will Decide Atiku, Obi’s Appeal Against Tinubu by Jackiedemie(m): 7:56am On Oct 20, 2023 |
aswani: The children of hate and perdition don't have the ability for critical reasoning. Just imagining if Abbo was a LP or PDP candidate. Those justices would have been insulted to the high heaven. Judgment is good if and only if it's favor LP or against APC or both. 2 Likes |
Education / Re: 20-year-old UNILORIN Student Commits Suicide After Lending ‘online Lover’ N500k by Jackiedemie(m): 3:34pm On Oct 18, 2023 |
Jennyclay: Relax my dearie, the deceased might have mde the same presumption. There is a point of compromise of every activity under this planet earth. 1 Like |
Politics / Re: Adamawa North: Appeal Court Sacks APC's Elisha Abbo, returns Yohanna Amos (PDP) by Jackiedemie(m): 4:42pm On Oct 16, 2023 |
I'm glad that it's APC that is testing the heat first before PDP and LP. I no wan hear APC has destroyed the democracy when the judiciary favours them 3 Likes |
Politics / Re: I Just Read The CSU Deposition From 1st To Last Page by Jackiedemie(m): 8:29pm On Oct 14, 2023 |
Stricker321: Did you see where they said Tinubu forged his certificate? Cos Reno was ready to dash you $100,000 11 Likes 2 Shares |
Politics / Re: Neither Tinubu Nor Atiku Forged Credentials With INEC-Kperogi by Jackiedemie(m): 4:41pm On Oct 14, 2023 |
JetApartment: Compared the two documents before you summerized your position on it
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Politics / Re: Dele Momodu Gives Reason For FFK's Silence On Tinubu's Certificate Issues by Jackiedemie(m): 4:03pm On Oct 14, 2023 |
vivalavida: I thought this was explained in the affidavit that the registrar swore on oath as well as the disposition of the registrar. Let me reminds you, he said the diploma will only have the signitory if those who are in office when the reordered was made. For instance, if the displacement of 1979 diploma is made today, it will only show the currently signitories of those currently working at CSU not those that were in 1979. However, the one he submitted to INEC was issued to him in 1998 that's why it resemblance of those graduated in 1998 set. The registrar said alot of policies have been changed between 1979 till when he took over as CSU register. These include fonts, seal, etc. On the contrary, the registrar never mentioned any word like forged either through his affidavit or disposition in Angela's office. However, the registrar was right not to authenticate a photocopied document which part of its was chop off. The BBC has done their investigation and agreed that it's not a forged document and I believe that to the fullest Below are samples of diplomas used during the time Tinubu requested for his replacement then tell me where is the wrong seal emanated from as you claimed.
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Politics / Re: Dele Momodu Gives Reason For FFK's Silence On Tinubu's Certificate Issues by Jackiedemie(m): 1:04pm On Oct 14, 2023 |
vivalavida: It was a photocopied material which the lower side have been chop off. It wasn't an original paper rather a photocopied that have been passing through over times in the reproduction of it. Can you authenticate such material under oath? |
Politics / Re: Dele Momodu Gives Reason For FFK's Silence On Tinubu's Certificate Issues by Jackiedemie(m): 12:04pm On Oct 14, 2023 |
vivalavida: Oga, what is there is pretext of the reordered diploma that's explicitly stated in question 16 on the same page!!! As I said, Tinubu graduated and got his certificate in 1979, he ordered for replacement in 1998 maybe he misplaced the original. Fortunate enough he found the photocopy of it, which he ask his lawyer to contact the CSU for it to be certified then Submitted to INEC |
Politics / Re: Neither Tinubu Nor Atiku Forged Credentials With INEC-Kperogi by Jackiedemie(m): 10:36am On Oct 14, 2023 |
Dreambeat: It was a photocopied material which the lower side have been chop off. It wasn't an original paper rather a photocopied that have been passing through over times in the reproduction of it. Can you authenticate such material under oath? 4 Likes 1 Share |
Politics / Re: Neither Tinubu Nor Atiku Forged Credentials With INEC-Kperogi by Jackiedemie(m): 10:00am On Oct 14, 2023 |
I said this in the other thread today.... Just as I predicted 3 Likes
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Politics / Re: Dele Momodu Gives Reason For FFK's Silence On Tinubu's Certificate Issues by Jackiedemie(m): 8:34am On Oct 14, 2023 |
stepaside1: Farooq just aligned with my position now: The BBC's fact-check of the claims of Tinubu's certificate forgery has changed the conversation. Here's my analysis of the evidence. Plus, an analysis of claims that Atiku also forged his school cert: Neither Tinubu Nor Atiku Forged Credentials with INEC By Farooq A. Kperogi Twitter: @farooqkperogi The storm over the legitimacy of the credential President Bola Tinubu submitted to INEC has managed to rope in former Vice President Atiku Abubakar who instigated it in the first place. But available facts show that neither of them presented forged documents to INEC. I go where the facts lead me. That means I could say the opposite of what I said earlier in light of new facts, a reason I advisedly used the expression “the best obtainable version of the truth” in last week’s column. I am not invested in any perspective. Tinubu is an unrelieved catastrophe as a president, but I'll defend the facts even if they favor him. Here are 7 facts I've found so far after reading and rereading all the facts related to this issue: 1. Tinubu attended and graduated from Chicago State University in 1979, was issued a diploma (or a certificate, to use the expression that’s familiar to Nigerians), which he collected (I erred when I thought the registrar said he didn't; See number 3). Apparently, he lost the original diploma in 1979 and was issued a "replacement diploma dated 27 June 1979," according to the BBC. 2. In the 1990s, he applied for and got a replacement diploma from CSU. Ostensibly, because it looks different from his 1979 diploma (since diplomas bear the signatures of the current president and look like the diplomas issued that year), he got a note from the CSU registrar in 1999 affirming that he indeed graduated from the school in 1979. 3. He lost the original copy of the 1990s replacement diploma (but has a photocopy of it) and, in the 2000s, applied for yet another replacement diploma, which the university issued, but which he didn't collect. I mistook the registrar's reference to this bit during the deposition as him saying that Tinubu did not collecting his 1979 diploma. My apologies. 4. In 2022, Tinubu submitted a photocopy of the 1990s replacement diploma, along with the 1999 "To Whom It May Concern" note from the CSU Registrar, to INEC as the academic credential that qualifies him to run for president. 5. Opposition politicians saw it and said it wasn't similar to diplomas CSU issued in 1979. So, they said it's fake. 6. BBC's Disinformation Team fact-checked the claim and found that it's not fake. It appears fake only because it was reissued in 1998 and the university's logo at the bottom of the diploma was chopped off during photocopying. The BBC says every other detail in the diploma is similar to the diplomas CSU issued or reissued in 1998. 7. The registrar disavowed the photocopied INEC diploma during deposition because of the absence of the logo of the university at the bottom of the diploma, but even he hinted that it "was possibly 'cut off' when it was photocopied." So, it was actually a conditional disavowal. The Foundation for Investigative Journalism (FIJ) attempted to impeach the credibility of the BBC fact check but failed. The FIJ said, "Of particular interest was the expression, ‘with honors’, which appeared on the certificate Tinubu submitted to INEC. The presence of ‘with honours’ in Tinubu’s certificate is a tautology because the certificate goes on to read, 'with all the rights, honours, and privileges partaining therto'.[sic]. None of the 1990s samples provided by CSU showed those words underneath the course of study, and this suggests that Tinubu’s certificate, which was supposedly obtained within the same timeframe, did not emanate from the school." That's a problematic claim. "With all the rights, honors, and privileges pertaining thereto" is a fixed phrase that appears on all diplomas irrespective of their class. The addition of "with honors" isn't a duplication because graduating with honors is an academic distinction that only a limited pool of students achieve, and some U.S. universities include it in diplomas in addition to the fixed phrase that appears on all diplomas. In any case, Tinubu’s uncollected 2000s replacement diploma that the registrar showed during the deposition has both the fixed phrase AND “with honors.” Similarly, the claim that the samples of replacement diplomas issued in the 1990s don't have "with honors" is a weak argument because CSU only showed uncollected diplomas in its records, not a representative sample of every type and class of diplomas earned or re-issued that year. It could well be that the uncollected diplomas in CSU's records didn't achieve the distinction that entitles them to have "with honors" affixed to them. Typically, only between 20% and 30% of students graduate with honors in U.S. colleges and universities (except for Ivy League universities that have higher percentages), so it's not a given that the uncollected diplomas in CSU's records will be among the 20% to 30%. FIJ also said, "Two, whoever created the controversial certificate in Tinubu’s possession copied the template of the 2000s without paying attention to timeframe variations. This is clear in one of the signatures on Tinubu’s certificate. The signature on the right is that of Zaldwaynaka “Z, the current President of CSU, who took office in 2018. A president who took office in 2018 could not have signed a certificate supposedly released in the 1990s." This claim seems made up because there is no "Zaldwaynaka Z" in the diploma Tinubu submitted to INEC. The photocopied CSU diploma Tinubu submitted to INEC and the samples of CSU diploma replacements from the 1990s are exactly the same except for the missing logo in Tinubu’s copy as a result of photocopying. The registrar's disavowal of the diploma doesn't invalidate its authenticity because he merely said the photocopy that was shown to him didn't look like diplomas from CSU because of the missing logo. People who have an emotional investment in the idea that Tinubu "forged" a diploma that he validly earned (which is ridiculously excessive legal literalism to begin with) leave out that context and make it seem as if the registrar's words are an inviolable article of faith and not a conditional, context-dependent response to a specific question about a specific photocopied document that doesn't reflect all the features of diplomas CSU issued in 1998 BECAUSE of photocopying. This issue has demonstrated to me in starkly dramatic terms how partisan blinders can distort people's perception of reality. When people so badly want something to be true, but it turns out to be untrue, they choose to hang on to the most absurd apophenic hallucinations (i.e., seeing predetermined patterns from a chaos of unrelated phenomena) they can invoke to validate their preconceptions. I've studied and taught this phenomenon for years but had never seen it manifest on a mass scale like this. The only new thing that will change the conversation is a foolproof revelation that Tinubu didn't meet graduation requirements and was issued a fraudulent transcript that said he did—after the fact—by dodgy university officials. That would establish the legal basis for forgery. Given what I am now reading about the school, I won’t be shocked if this happens. So, I think the answer to the puzzle isn't on the surface; it's beneath the surface. Only deep investigation can unearth it. Finally, the CSU registrar never said, “forgery is a Nigerian thing.” Tinubu sent his lawyer to get copies of his academic records from CSU and requested that the school certify the documents before sending them to him. Atiku's lawyer asked if CSU had ever certified documents it sent out, and the registrar said, "No, I believe this was made because it is more of a Nigerian thing." So, the "Nigerian thing" he referred to was certifying school records for legal purposes, not forgery. Atiku’s School Certificate Tinubu’s minions, in their bid to get even with Atiku, dredged up Atiku’s post-secondary school appellative change and are attempting to pass it off as evidence of school certificate forgery against him. But here are the facts. Atiku was known as Sadiq (or Siddiq—it doesn’t matter in Muslim northern Nigeria because “Sadiq” and “Siddiq” and all other spelling variants are interchangeable) Abubakar. He was named after Abu Bakr, Islam’s first caliph whom the prophet of Islam nicknamed as "al-Siddiq," which means “the righteous.” So, in Muslim northern Nigeria, every Abubakar (our domestication of Abu Bakr) is a Siddiq and vice versa—just like every Umar is a Farooq and vice versa. People have asked why Atiku was tautonymous, that is, having the same first and last name— if Siddiq and Abubakar are the same. Well, in the early days of education in Northern Nigeria, people concealed their father’s names in schools to protect them from abuse from classmates. Some used toponyms (i.e., names of places) as their family names (Aminu Kano, Abubakar Tafawa Balewa, Ahmadu Rabah—before he changed to Bello—are prominent examples). A few, however, chose the tautonymous route. Among them is former president Muhammadu Buhari. He was named after prolific ninth-century Hadith compiler Muhammad al-Bukhari who was a native of the city of Bukhara in what is now Uzbekistan. Bukhari simply means native of the city of Bukhara. But in northern Nigeria every Buhari is a Muhammad. So, Muhammadu Buhari is effectively a tautonym. Atiku probably also initially chose the tautonymous route. I don’t know how he came about the name Atiku, but it is the Nigerian domestication of the Arabic name Atiq, which means “ancient.” Some people say it means “freed.” Bangladeshis bear it as Atiqur and Arabs bear it as Atiqullah. More than anything, though, he swore an affidavit in real time to legalize this change of name. The same can’t be said for Bola Tinubu whom we’ve learned was initially known as Lamidi Amoda Sangodele. 1 Like |
Politics / Re: Dele Momodu Gives Reason For FFK's Silence On Tinubu's Certificate Issues by Jackiedemie(m): 7:35am On Oct 14, 2023 |
vivalavida: You didn't read it well, Tinubu collected the 1979, 1990s replacement but didn't collect 2022 replacement. I think Tinubu misplaced the original of the 1990 but only get the photocopy of it... Which he gave to his lawyer to contact CSU to certify it for him then submitted to the INEC. The 2022 diploma was what is in the possession of the Enaharo ( sic). Tinubu didn't forge the certificate and why CSU can't attest to what he's paraded is because it's a photocopy not original and no institution will affirmed a photocopy of their original under an oath. 3 Likes
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Politics / Re: Atiku: No Matter Attempts To Twist Facts, Tinubu’s INEC Certificate Is Forgery by Jackiedemie(m): 6:03am On Oct 12, 2023 |
Atiku is just a confused man... Why not allow the supreme to listen to your appeal ? 1 Like |
Politics / Re: Atiku's Lawyers Receive Tinubu's Academic Records From Chicago State University by Jackiedemie(m): 11:00pm On Oct 02, 2023 |
GeneralDae: They will twist it to suit their narrative. Outside educating the unknowns, I would have advise you to let them deal in the fool paradise. The bitter part of it is they know vividly well but only trying hard to twist it in order to align with their preposition |
Business / Re: BUA Reduces The Price Of Cement To ₦3,500 Per Bag, Promises Further Reduction by Jackiedemie(m): 7:02pm On Oct 01, 2023 |
Monopolistic competition |
Politics / Re: The US Court Proceedings On CSU: A National Embarrassment By Osita Chidoka by Jackiedemie(m): 7:00pm On Oct 01, 2023 |
What if Tinubu possessed all What Atiku needed but only taking him for a ride!! 3 Likes |
Politics / Re: 'Tinubu ‘Graduated’ In 1979, Elnora Couldn’t Have Signed His Certificate - Atiku by Jackiedemie(m): 7:25am On Sep 29, 2023 |
aumeehn: Oga, for you to get a degree then, someone not necessarily need a school cert (SSCE) but today he's a PhD holders. Do you wanna know how? This is it: After his primary school, he proceeded to Teacher Training College to do TTC 3, TTC2 and TTC1 (mind you, those who had SSCE will only enrolled in 2 and 1). After the programs, he enrolled for NCE, BSc, MSc and PhD. He even informed that for technical education, people were admitted using Trade Test 3,2 and 1 into TTC ( without primary not SSCE certs) and they too can get to professorship ranks. I believe some institutions in away don't really need you SSCE to enter their college. On irreparable damage, I will set a true life situation... In 2010, a friend of mine got admission to study law in one of the federal universities in my state... By 2016, On his final screening by examination and records to get his statement of results, he was told to withdraw because he had pass in his literature in English instead of credit pass as required by the NUC that he failed short of the requirements for LLB. However, this is the same person with the result that pass through various screening committee ranging from the admission unit, admission officer, department officer, faculty officer etc. My guy decided to seek legal redress, after 18month of legal battle, the court rule that the university should issue his statement of results with 600,000.00 as part of his legal expenses and time wastage. If you're the boy or the university, will you allow his admission details to be made public? |
Politics / Re: 'Tinubu ‘Graduated’ In 1979, Elnora Couldn’t Have Signed His Certificate - Atiku by Jackiedemie(m): 11:13pm On Sep 28, 2023 |
Sermwell:Court order can be appeal |
Politics / Re: 'Tinubu ‘Graduated’ In 1979, Elnora Couldn’t Have Signed His Certificate - Atiku by Jackiedemie(m): 9:24pm On Sep 28, 2023 |
aumeehn: Which university ever release what ones used for admission before? It's not their document and that can't hold on oath for that.... |
Politics / Re: 'Tinubu ‘Graduated’ In 1979, Elnora Couldn’t Have Signed His Certificate - Atiku by Jackiedemie(m): 9:19pm On Sep 28, 2023 |
kingbee90: Tinubu is using 1974 Family Education Right and Privacy Act to frustrate Atiku. The university has attest that Tinubu is one of their graduands and discrepancies might have been due to fonts change and human errors |
Fashion / Re: Is This Fashion Or Madness? by Jackiedemie(m): 4:22pm On Sep 26, 2023 |
Both, depending on the angle you are viewing it from |
Romance / Re: What Is The Disadvantage Of Dating You by Jackiedemie(m): 3:58pm On Sep 26, 2023 |
Fornication is my Red flag 15 Likes 1 Share |
Politics / Re: Tinubu CSU Certificate: Time For All Nigerians To Speak Up" - Deacon Afolabi by Jackiedemie(m): 3:30pm On Sep 26, 2023 |
MatrixCircle: Where did the court make pronouncement on that |
Politics / Re: US: Release Only Certificate To Atiku; Block CSU From Revealing Gender-Tinubu by Jackiedemie(m): 9:21pm On Sep 25, 2023 |
Afotinu: Was that why they then IGP Tafa Balogun write FBI for his criminal records? 1 Like 1 Share |
Politics / Re: President Tinubu Has Turned His Back On Rivers APC Because Of Wike – Party Chief by Jackiedemie(m): 3:16pm On Sep 25, 2023 |
Because the APC in Rivers state fail to play into the mainstream politics. You can't collect salary from union bank whereas you're a staff of First Bank 4 Likes |
Romance / Re: My Boyfriend Sent Me Packing After Infecting Me With HIV; Pregnant 19yrs Teen by Jackiedemie(m): 5:25pm On Sep 24, 2023 |
Jennyclay: What if she is the one that is infected the guy or on a rare case ( but possible) the guy is negative? We should learn to take responsibility not always playing a victim card esp when the narrative is to blame a male counterpart and/ or for female to get favor 2 Likes 1 Share |
Politics / Re: APC Counsel Explains Why Kano Tribunal Judgment Favoured Them (Video) by Jackiedemie(m): 6:39pm On Sep 20, 2023 |
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Politics / Re: Lucky Aiyedatiwa: Ondo Assembly Commence Impeachment Against Deputy-Governor by Jackiedemie(m): 6:27pm On Sep 20, 2023 |
As it they hot |
Politics / Re: Tribunal Dismisses Matawalle’s Petition, Affirms Lawal As Zamfara Governor by Jackiedemie(m): 11:19am On Sep 19, 2023 |
This is victory to democracy only when APC is at the receiving end. When ever it favors APC, judges were bribed and APC has destroyed the hard end democracy and judiciary is corrupt. Nigerians, I hail una 6 Likes |
Politics / Re: Tribunal Affirms Dauda Lawal-Dare (PDP) As Governor Of Zamfara State by Jackiedemie(m): 11:18pm On Sep 18, 2023 |
EmekaA125:So labour party full of saints!!! |
Celebrities / Re: ‘Naira Marley Has A Hand In Mohbad’s Death’ – K-solo Alleges by Jackiedemie(m): 5:34pm On Sep 18, 2023 |
K-solo own is part of the industry diss not because he's fighting earnestly for Morbad. More or less of bring down our competitor(s) down to pave way for our excel 1 Like 1 Share |
Celebrities / Re: Sam Larry Is Hiding In Kenya And His Location Isn’t Hidden - Black Cinderella by Jackiedemie(m): 3:17pm On Sep 18, 2023 |
TruthsFM: As long as I'm not taking brief for the NPF for their lackadaisical attitude, Nigeria police have been receiving over hundred thousands of petitions and complaints on daily basis. With limited man power and lack of technical know how in the investigation, the work become more burden to them everyday. Hence when such complaints are been lodged, one needs to follow it up on regular bases, that why it's advisable to have an attorney not until you get into problems. |
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