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Who is ala neutral person again, everyone is a political animal according to Plato. Even civil servants were allow to joint partisanship politics

Who marriage help?


Bro J is only the most popular souls but no wife.

This is clever by half, So Akitu you're supporting didn't have baggages...


You're being economical with fact sir

Pigstormentor:

I think you need to have a rethink about you quotes:
The CSU registrar said, "No, not in 1979"

Meaning that the INEC diploma format wasn't not issue to him in 1979!!!

So rest;;

Churchill cur*se dey follow am back to back.
You will never stay one place

Hahaha, you people are really funny.
Tinubu collected his diploma twice ie in 1979 and 1998 and didn't collect the one that was offer to Enhaniro(sic). He only submited the photocopied of 1998 sample.
What the CSU registrar said was that the sample of INEC diploma was not produce in 1979. Check it well you will see.

Funkyswagzz:
Bro I was in the house of one of the former house of representatives in imo state the day hope was declared the winner. I heard everything that transpired in court buh I won't name anybody cos my life is very important. If you know of civic center at Owerri then u will equally know that most politicians judges and even Cubans chief priest leave there. I'm pointing out to show u I know what am talking about.

Leave those numbers u are seeing there my brother we know what happened 😂😂🏃🏃

Yeah, it's the inec that give them the room for such...
Why did the cancel it in the first place?
Why didn't argue against the purported news results paraded by Hope then?
Why didn't they conduct supplementary election to filled in the cancel votes?
Why didn't counter the DCP statement on the purported results by bring out the one at their custody.
It's the failure of the inec to do the needful that mase Hope the Governor not supreme court

Funkyswagzz:
There's one thing you failed to observe, this apc is the government in power so they will do what ever they can to make sure the rule is not over turned. We've seen this severally even in the case of hope uzodimma who didnt take part in primaries, came distant 4th yet the made him the governor. The power that can make a systematic influence to our judiciary in order to subvert justice. This is the plane truth and its very difficult to take power from them. Let's stop this rigmarole every single one of us know the truth

I will advise you to read the supreme court judgment with an open mind. Hope results from 388 pooling booths were cancelled at the collation centre whereas it's not supposed to be so... The totality of those scores ( results sheet from 388 pooling booth) push him from 4th to 1st.

aswani:
The same way they chose the side of our oppressors when they made Peter Obi Gorvernor àbi?

Did they sink deeply then or is it only when their judgement doesn't favour your candidate that they do?

Especially when your candidate turns up with blurred photocopies even though actual original copies exist that were used to collate election results and he expects the former to take priority over the latter.

IPOBidients and hyprocisy na 5 and 6. Nutin do una anyway.

The children of hate and perdition don't have the ability for critical reasoning. Just imagining if Abbo was a LP or PDP candidate. Those justices would have been insulted to the high heaven. Judgment is good if and only if it's favor LP or against APC or both.

Jennyclay:
Rip to the departed soul

Over my dead body would I give my money to a man in the name of Love! God forbid it !! .

Take it or leave it, A man should do the spending. If he can’t spend on him let him go to hell for all I care.

Biko, the scammer should be caught and sentenced to life imprisonment or death ASAP!!

Relax my dearie, the deceased might have mde the same presumption. There is a point of compromise of every activity under this planet earth.

I'm glad that it's APC that is testing the heat first before PDP and LP.
I no wan hear APC has destroyed the democracy when the judiciary favours them

Stricker321:
Leave BBC and Kperogi. Have you read the 155 pages yourself?

Did you see where they said Tinubu forged his certificate?
Cos Reno was ready to dash you $100,000

JetApartment:
What did I just read?

"CSU diploma replacements from the 1990s are exactly the same except for the missing logo in Tinubu’s copy as a result of photocopying."

Just look at what a professor has turned into after collecting bribe to defend rubbish...A professor telling us a photocopying machine has the ability to erase an entire logo.

I already lost respect for this dude named kperoji...damn money can really make people say stvpid things.

Compared the two documents before you summerized your position on it

vivalavida:
As at the time that fake certificate was procured, the school said the[b] signatories were not working with them. Even the CSU seal on the certificate is wrong. It is not a seal that was in use then.[/b] So it is not by saying it is something that has been photocopied many times.it is simply a forged certificate.

I thought this was explained in the affidavit that the registrar swore on oath as well as the disposition of the registrar.
Let me reminds you, he said the diploma will only have the signitory if those who are in office when the reordered was made. For instance, if the displacement of 1979 diploma is made today, it will only show the currently signitories of those currently working at CSU not those that were in 1979.

However, the one he submitted to INEC was issued to him in 1998 that's why it resemblance of those graduated in 1998 set. The registrar said alot of policies have been changed between 1979 till when he took over as CSU register. These include fonts, seal, etc.

On the contrary, the registrar never mentioned any word like forged either through his affidavit or disposition in Angela's office.

However, the registrar was right not to authenticate a photocopied document which part of its was chop off.

The BBC has done their investigation and agreed that it's not a forged document and I believe that to the fullest

Below are samples of diplomas used during the time Tinubu requested for his replacement then tell me where is the wrong seal emanated from as you claimed.

vivalavida:
Same certificate that when shown CSU said it did not emanate from them?

It was a photocopied material which the lower side have been chop off.

It wasn't an original paper rather a photocopied that have been passing through over times in the reproduction of it.

Can you authenticate such material under oath?

vivalavida:
Tinubu did not pick up any certificate. He did not qualify to graduate. Rather he forged one for himself.

Look at question 19 on page 34 and the answer on line 20. Tinubu did not pick any certificate.

Oga, what is there is pretext of the reordered diploma that's explicitly stated in question 16 on the same page!!!

As I said, Tinubu graduated and got his certificate in 1979, he ordered for replacement in 1998 maybe he misplaced the original. Fortunate enough he found the photocopy of it, which he ask his lawyer to contact the CSU for it to be certified then Submitted to INEC

Dreambeat:
what did he me by 'CSU cannot authenticate tinubu's certificate'? Were you searching for the word forgery? My bother/sister make una fear God na

It was a photocopied material which the lower side have been chop off.

It wasn't an original paper rather a photocopied that have been passing through over times in the reproduction of it.

Can you authenticate such material under oath?

I said this in the other thread today....
Just as I predicted

stepaside1:
Good summary.
Original 1979 diploma certificate was collected by BAT but that was misplaced or destroyed by Abacha's people while BAT was on exile.
Replacement copy he ordered in the 1990s is likely the one he submitted to INEC.
The one he reordered in 2022 or so is the one in CSU's possession which he hasn't collected.

The CSU registrar couldn't authenticate the 1990s diploma because CSU neither kept records of replacement applications nor do they keep a copy in their records after the student must have collected it. Reason why the Registrar could not 'authenticate' it. The Registrar was also not at the school in the 1990s to know since the school doesn't keep records. The INEC copy shows it was signed by the school officials at that time and looks like diplomas issued at that time. The issue is with the addition of the text 'with Honours' which is only added for students who graduated with honours. Suggests that the sample shown by CSU were for students who didn't graduate with honours. The missing '1867' on the school logo and the 'Dean' text are all explained as the cutting off due to photocopying. The BBC report laid all these out.

Farooq just aligned with my position now:

The BBC's fact-check of the claims of Tinubu's certificate forgery has changed the conversation. Here's my analysis of the evidence. Plus, an analysis of claims that Atiku also forged his school cert:

Neither Tinubu Nor Atiku Forged Credentials with INEC
By Farooq A. Kperogi
Twitter: @farooqkperogi

The storm over the legitimacy of the credential President Bola Tinubu submitted to INEC has managed to rope in former Vice President Atiku Abubakar who instigated it in the first place. But available facts show that neither of them presented forged documents to INEC.

I go where the facts lead me. That means I could say the opposite of what I said earlier in light of new facts, a reason I advisedly used the expression “the best obtainable version of the truth” in last week’s column. I am not invested in any perspective. Tinubu is an unrelieved catastrophe as a president, but I'll defend the facts even if they favor him.

Here are 7 facts I've found so far after reading and rereading all the facts related to this issue:

1. Tinubu attended and graduated from Chicago State University in 1979, was issued a diploma (or a certificate, to use the expression that’s familiar to Nigerians), which he collected (I erred when I thought the registrar said he didn't; See number 3). Apparently, he lost the original diploma in 1979 and was issued a "replacement diploma dated 27 June 1979," according to the BBC.

2. In the 1990s, he applied for and got a replacement diploma from CSU. Ostensibly, because it looks different from his 1979 diploma (since diplomas bear the signatures of the current president and look like the diplomas issued that year), he got a note from the CSU registrar in 1999 affirming that he indeed graduated from the school in 1979.

3. He lost the original copy of the 1990s replacement diploma (but has a photocopy of it) and, in the 2000s, applied for yet another replacement diploma, which the university issued, but which he didn't collect. I mistook the registrar's reference to this bit during the deposition as him saying that Tinubu did not collecting his 1979 diploma. My apologies.

4. In 2022, Tinubu submitted a photocopy of the 1990s replacement diploma, along with the 1999 "To Whom It May Concern" note from the CSU Registrar, to INEC as the academic credential that qualifies him to run for president.

5. Opposition politicians saw it and said it wasn't similar to diplomas CSU issued in 1979. So, they said it's fake.

6. BBC's Disinformation Team fact-checked the claim and found that it's not fake. It appears fake only because it was reissued in 1998 and the university's logo at the bottom of the diploma was chopped off during photocopying. The BBC says every other detail in the diploma is similar to the diplomas CSU issued or reissued in 1998.

7. The registrar disavowed the photocopied INEC diploma during deposition because of the absence of the logo of the university at the bottom of the diploma, but even he hinted that it "was possibly 'cut off' when it was photocopied." So, it was actually a conditional disavowal.

The Foundation for Investigative Journalism (FIJ) attempted to impeach the credibility of the BBC fact check but failed.

The FIJ said, "Of particular interest was the expression, ‘with honors’, which appeared on the certificate Tinubu submitted to INEC. The presence of ‘with honours’ in Tinubu’s certificate is a tautology because the certificate goes on to read, 'with all the rights, honours, and privileges partaining therto'.[sic]. None of the 1990s samples provided by CSU showed those words underneath the course of study, and this suggests that Tinubu’s certificate, which was supposedly obtained within the same timeframe, did not emanate from the school."

That's a problematic claim. "With all the rights, honors, and privileges pertaining thereto" is a fixed phrase that appears on all diplomas irrespective of their class. The addition of "with honors" isn't a duplication because graduating with honors is an academic distinction that only a limited pool of students achieve, and some U.S. universities include it in diplomas in addition to the fixed phrase that appears on all diplomas.

In any case, Tinubu’s uncollected 2000s replacement diploma that the registrar showed during the deposition has both the fixed phrase AND “with honors.”

Similarly, the claim that the samples of replacement diplomas issued in the 1990s don't have "with honors" is a weak argument because CSU only showed uncollected diplomas in its records, not a representative sample of every type and class of diplomas earned or re-issued that year. It could well be that the uncollected diplomas in CSU's records didn't achieve the distinction that entitles them to have "with honors" affixed to them.

Typically, only between 20% and 30% of students graduate with honors in U.S. colleges and universities (except for Ivy League universities that have higher percentages), so it's not a given that the uncollected diplomas in CSU's records will be among the 20% to 30%.

FIJ also said, "Two, whoever created the controversial certificate in Tinubu’s possession copied the template of the 2000s without paying attention to timeframe variations. This is clear in one of the signatures on Tinubu’s certificate. The signature on the right is that of Zaldwaynaka “Z, the current President of CSU, who took office in 2018. A president who took office in 2018 could not have signed a certificate supposedly released in the 1990s."

This claim seems made up because there is no "Zaldwaynaka Z" in the diploma Tinubu submitted to INEC. The photocopied CSU diploma Tinubu submitted to INEC and the samples of CSU diploma replacements from the 1990s are exactly the same except for the missing logo in Tinubu’s copy as a result of photocopying.

The registrar's disavowal of the diploma doesn't invalidate its authenticity because he merely said the photocopy that was shown to him didn't look like diplomas from CSU because of the missing logo. People who have an emotional investment in the idea that Tinubu "forged" a diploma that he validly earned (which is ridiculously excessive legal literalism to begin with) leave out that context and make it seem as if the registrar's words are an inviolable article of faith and not a conditional, context-dependent response to a specific question about a specific photocopied document that doesn't reflect all the features of diplomas CSU issued in 1998 BECAUSE of photocopying.

This issue has demonstrated to me in starkly dramatic terms how partisan blinders can distort people's perception of reality. When people so badly want something to be true, but it turns out to be untrue, they choose to hang on to the most absurd apophenic hallucinations (i.e., seeing predetermined patterns from a chaos of unrelated phenomena) they can invoke to validate their preconceptions. I've studied and taught this phenomenon for years but had never seen it manifest on a mass scale like this.

The only new thing that will change the conversation is a foolproof revelation that Tinubu didn't meet graduation requirements and was issued a fraudulent transcript that said he did—after the fact—by dodgy university officials. That would establish the legal basis for forgery. Given what I am now reading about the school, I won’t be shocked if this happens. So, I think the answer to the puzzle isn't on the surface; it's beneath the surface. Only deep investigation can unearth it.

Finally, the CSU registrar never said, “forgery is a Nigerian thing.” Tinubu sent his lawyer to get copies of his academic records from CSU and requested that the school certify the documents before sending them to him.

Atiku's lawyer asked if CSU had ever certified documents it sent out, and the registrar said, "No, I believe this was made because it is more of a Nigerian thing." So, the "Nigerian thing" he referred to was certifying school records for legal purposes, not forgery.

Atiku’s School Certificate
Tinubu’s minions, in their bid to get even with Atiku, dredged up Atiku’s post-secondary school appellative change and are attempting to pass it off as evidence of school certificate forgery against him. But here are the facts.

Atiku was known as Sadiq (or Siddiq—it doesn’t matter in Muslim northern Nigeria because “Sadiq” and “Siddiq” and all other spelling variants are interchangeable) Abubakar. He was named after Abu Bakr, Islam’s first caliph whom the prophet of Islam nicknamed as "al-Siddiq," which means “the righteous.” So, in Muslim northern Nigeria, every Abubakar (our domestication of Abu Bakr) is a Siddiq and vice versa—just like every Umar is a Farooq and vice versa.

People have asked why Atiku was tautonymous, that is, having the same first and last name— if Siddiq and Abubakar are the same. Well, in the early days of education in Northern Nigeria, people concealed their father’s names in schools to protect them from abuse from classmates. Some used toponyms (i.e., names of places) as their family names (Aminu Kano, Abubakar Tafawa Balewa, Ahmadu Rabah—before he changed to Bello—are prominent examples).

A few, however, chose the tautonymous route. Among them is former president Muhammadu Buhari. He was named after prolific ninth-century Hadith compiler Muhammad al-Bukhari who was a native of the city of Bukhara in what is now Uzbekistan. Bukhari simply means native of the city of Bukhara. But in northern Nigeria every Buhari is a Muhammad. So, Muhammadu Buhari is effectively a tautonym.

Atiku probably also initially chose the tautonymous route. I don’t know how he came about the name Atiku, but it is the Nigerian domestication of the Arabic name Atiq, which means “ancient.” Some people say it means “freed.” Bangladeshis bear it as Atiqur and Arabs bear it as Atiqullah.

More than anything, though, he swore an affidavit in real time to legalize this change of name. The same can’t be said for Bola Tinubu whom we’ve learned was initially known as Lamidi Amoda Sangodele.

vivalavida:
Oga stop making noise. People like u have refused to read CSU deposition. The school registrar said individuals cannot get certificates from third party directly. Individuals who need replacement certificate has to apply to the school. It is the school that will give the job to a third party. Tinubu has not even collected his original certificate. So what is the need for a replacement certificate? Not collecting the original certificate and his trascript revealing he still has some outstanding criteria to fulfil in the sense that there are some exams he needs to resit should tell you that he never graduated. So stop being clever by half. Tinubu is parading a forged certificate.

You didn't read it well, Tinubu collected the 1979, 1990s replacement but didn't collect 2022 replacement.
I think Tinubu misplaced the original of the 1990 but only get the photocopy of it... Which he gave to his lawyer to contact CSU to certify it for him then submitted to the INEC.

The 2022 diploma was what is in the possession of the Enaharo ( sic).

Tinubu didn't forge the certificate and why CSU can't attest to what he's paraded is because it's a photocopy not original and no institution will affirmed a photocopy of their original under an oath.

Atiku is just a confused man...
Why not allow the supreme to listen to your appeal ?

GeneralDae:
They said they can't authenticate what Tinubu submitted to INEC because diplomas to them are merely ceremonial documents, so they don't keep records of all diplomas they issue to their students especially when the students comes back for a replacement diploma. Such replacement diplomas are prepared manually.
What the University keeps records of are transcripts.

They will twist it to suit their narrative. Outside educating the unknowns, I would have advise you to let them deal in the fool paradise. The bitter part of it is they know vividly well but only trying hard to twist it in order to align with their preposition

Monopolistic competition

What if Tinubu possessed all What Atiku needed but only taking him for a ride!!

aumeehn:
okay they should confirm the certificate under oath! Your principal is saying it will cause severe irreparable damage to him! Besides the court has the power to mandate the school to produce those records! I am certain Tinubu didn't attend any Primary or Secondary school.

Oga, for you to get a degree then, someone not necessarily need a school cert (SSCE) but today he's a PhD holders. Do you wanna know how? This is it: After his primary school, he proceeded to Teacher Training College to do TTC 3, TTC2 and TTC1 (mind you, those who had SSCE will only enrolled in 2 and 1). After the programs, he enrolled for NCE, BSc, MSc and PhD. He even informed that for technical education, people were admitted using Trade Test 3,2 and 1 into TTC ( without primary not SSCE certs) and they too can get to professorship ranks. I believe some institutions in away don't really need you SSCE to enter their college.

On irreparable damage, I will set a true life situation... In 2010, a friend of mine got admission to study law in one of the federal universities in my state... By 2016, On his final screening by examination and records to get his statement of results, he was told to withdraw because he had pass in his literature in English instead of credit pass as required by the NUC that he failed short of the requirements for LLB.
However, this is the same person with the result that pass through various screening committee ranging from the admission unit, admission officer, department officer, faculty officer etc. My guy decided to seek legal redress, after 18month of legal battle, the court rule that the university should issue his statement of results with 600,000.00 as part of his legal expenses and time wastage.
If you're the boy or the university, will you allow his admission details to be made public?

Sermwell:
Not with a court order!!

Court order can be appeal

aumeehn:
No he is not! We want to see the records, of when he applied for the replacement, in which year and which month.
Also since all his docs for burnt, we want CSU to furnish us with the records of his Admission, that's all the docs he used in applying for Admission.

Which university ever release what ones used for admission before?
It's not their document and that can't hold on oath for that....

kingbee90:
Baba forget all this shalaye!
If what you are saying is true, why is Tinubu trying so hard to conceal his information in CSU? What irreparable damage would those information cause him as his lawyers stated?
Na idi0ts like you dey clearly support rubbish due to tribalism.
Na how our beloved country Wan take move forward?

Tinubu is using 1974 Family Education Right and Privacy Act to frustrate Atiku.
The university has attest that Tinubu is one of their graduands and discrepancies might have been due to fonts change and human errors

Both, depending on the angle you are viewing it from

Fornication is my Red flag

MatrixCircle:
According to US judge it stops being personal the moment he submitted a forged certificate to INEC, that brought him to public scrutiny.

Thesame forged document our PEPT judiciary refused to acknowledge as forgery, a US Court has. That's the level of corruption our judiciary has descended to.

Where did the court make pronouncement on that

Afotinu:
I guess it was your dad that told you that story abi that Obasanjo wants to pull Tinubu down, boy go read history well, Obasanjo never tried to pull him down even when he was the Governor of Lagos state, the issue they had then was because Tinubu create more Local Government and LCDA's and Obasanjo said it was illegal, so always verify whatever anybody tell you before you pass it on to your future kids, no be everything na him you go use hate Obasanjo.

Was that why they then IGP Tafa Balogun write FBI for his criminal records?