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Aemmyjah:
1. My God is not a control freak cos he has given me freewill. If God were a control freak, would he allow you speak blasphemous nonsense. It is very possible for me to easily choose not to serve God again. No worshipper of a control freak would do that

2. My God does not torture humans in hell fire. He himself condemned humans that did so to their own children and has promised everlasting life only as a gift to faithful ones. The wicked will be destroyed. Do you know the similarities of God's judicial punishment in the wicked such as Pharaoh, Sodom, The Assyrians, the Canaanites, etc, are they still suffering till now? No. Their punishment served once and for all

3. Every complex object or everything that is made has a purpose. Your brain has a purpose. Your car has a purpose. Your TV has a purpose. And all these must be used right according to the instructions of the Maker for them to function properly. Similarly, I know that I am made and that is very logical and reasonable and for me to be truly happy - physically, morally, spiritually, etc, I must live my life in a way that is in accord to that of what Jehovah God himself wanted. Yes, man must live by God's word since we're not like animals


Again, even if God torment in hellfire, I'll rather serve him with fear to attain him blessings than accept by some so called scientists that life has no purpose, good, design, difference. Is that appealing to you?


Goodnight

1. What is free will? It's when someone is given multiple choices without consequences. If I tell you to choose between apple and orange and I tell you the orange is poisoned, would you still choose the orange? No. You have left the person no choice. Your god said if you don't worship him, u die. So that's not a choice
2. Its specifically stated in the Bible. The versions you guys didnt adulterate
3. So who made such a complex entity known as god, since you said everything is created.
Lemme also shock you. There are some organs in the body without purpose, but that is for another day

Lemos14:
This is the third time you are quoting me. It must be really paining you. For someone who doesn’t believe in God I don’t know why you disturb me for proof. Despite ignoring you.

You have no proof then. Right, take a walk

StillDtruth:
Do you not know that it is Law that says you should live on the land and not in the sea like a Fish? or that the woman shall carry the child in her and not you the man? or that you shall eat herbs and flesh and not wood,iron and stones?

So who gave the law that women shall carry babies?

StillDtruth:
Was my statement directed to you and your passage?

Please answer the question

StillDtruth:
Stop elongating the argument. A Person does not need to always say do not eg fall into a pit. A Person can also say "Don't go that way" and since you are not an animal so you already have the sense to know that it is because there is a pit waiting for you.

But like the fly that dies following the dead body, people never listen and are now in trouble with The Law and are afraid of God and Judgment and Condemnation which is why you are making all these noises pretending as if you do not have sense. Yet you get very angry if called a fool.

As i said, you are trying to elongate the argument since you real eyes that you do not have any reasonable thing to say, so now you are pretending to be stupid to elongate the argument.

Did you or did you not see where yawheh told Israelites to raid their neighbors for slaves? Yes or no

StillDtruth:
Told you your stupidity is endless for if you had indeed the bible you would have seen that Jebusites, Jericho are the lands of Canaan which attacked them exactly how Hiroshima and Nagasaki are towns In Japan.

Please show me where those lands attacked Israel first

adeniyi65:
Nah so we see am o. Choosing what to use and believe.

Cherry-picking is a common vice for Christians. They pick out the goody stuffs in the OT like creation, 10 commandments, tithing etc, then ignore the baddies. If you ask why the ignore the baddies they tell you "Oh, its the OT, they contain the old order blah blah blah"

StillDtruth:
He said servants obey your masters exactly what people all over the world.already say, so.you are talking rubbish.

He said slaves.
I also see you ignored the part i said Yahweh told Israelites to raid their neighbors for slaves

NNTR:
Never mind, when the sky falls, you'll wish you have this good bullshit to take cover under

Your off topic question goes beyond the scope of the thread and the limits of its 'God Ordains Slavery' title

Mind you, God doesnt forget. God's never being in the forgetfulness business

Response follows immediately below

Refuting the 'God Ordains Slavery' falsehood

As Ive earlier advanced slavery, serfdom and bond-servitude were all already instituted and established prevailing social chaos or disorders prior to God coming on board to sanitise, humanise and moralise with specified reforms, so what's that difficult in giving credit where credit is due

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Please read before replying. I specifically told you vices that were engrained and institutionalized which Yahweh specifically gave orders to prohibit. I told you homosexuality, idolizing etc were in place. Did Yahweh give specific laws against them? Yes. So why didn't he do the same for slavery.
This time slowly read my question before you give the answer your pastor brainwashed into your brain

jesusjnr2020:
21st Century Jonah Before The Big Fish Swallowed Him

We live in a day and age where we could only imagine what might have been if the prophets and apostles of old had at their disposal the technology we are privileged to have today.

There's a strong belief they might have done much better with them considering what they did with the little they had.

Imagine a Jonah, despite being initially reluctant and consequently swallowed up by a big fish, being later used by God to warn and bring a whole nation to repentance and on her knees before God, and all that without the aid of modern day technology, I wonder what would have happened if the same Jonah had such at his disposal.

How about the other prophets and apostles that God used mightily to shake and bring the whole world to a standstill, so they'd know that He is the Lord of all the earth, and there's none like unto Him?

Not to even talk of the Master and Lord of them all, Jesus, who thousands upon thousands of people would follow into the wilderness and be there with Him listening to His Words for 3 whole days without even realising it.

Then all the miracles Jesus did, walking on stormy waters, calling Lazarus out of the tomb after four days among other mighty works He did, even without the technology and social media to leverage upon and to cover all those things He did, Jesus still stands undisputedly as the world greatest and most influential human being ever, how much more if Jesus had today's technology and social media at His disposal?

The world surely wouldn't have had an answer to that.

God bless.

If you believe this story of Jonah, why don't you believe all the Chosen testimonies?

NNTR:
To start with and with all due respect, it is disingenuous and libellous to affirm that God ordains slavery, that was already instituted and establish, prior to Him coming on board to sanitise, humanise and moralise it with reforms

Slavery already was a reality in the system (i.e. Genesis 9: 20-27, has the first mention of slave/slavery in the bible) before the emergence of God's slavery reforms

If you are married, you know that one dont neccesarily cut off ones privates because of not wanting to traumatise ones kids from the shock of seeing ones little man, aka third leg, sometimes pka JT or John Thomas, but one simply covers up, in their presence, if one is au naturale (i.e. in the nude), so your ill advice, to those in charge of primary education to ban OT from the reach of primary school pupils, can be dismissed off as pure balderdash.

The Bible is not a prejudicial or discriminatory book, it is part, a history book, educational book, inspirational book et cetera, that lays out facts and absolute truths as happened

Take note that according to 2 Timothy 3:16:
'All Scripture is God-breathed [given by divine inspiration] and is profitable for instruction,
for conviction [of sin], for correction [of error and restoration to obedience],
for training in righteousness
[learning to live in conformity to God’s will, both publicly and privately
—behaving honorably with personal integrity and moral courage];'

The bible unapologetically presents the good, the bad, the ugly and the gory in all their glories

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Another bullshit.
Wasn't idol worship, homosexuality etc rife in the old testament? So why did Yahweh specifically tell Israelites not do all those but somehow forgot to tell them not to be slavers. Also he specifically said they should take slaves from their neighbors. So what are you defending?

StillDtruth:
Do you not already beat people under your control whether employees, children or slaves? Are you punished for beating them even today?

If you were indeed reasonable as you try to sound then you would have seen other commandments prohibiting slavery eg

1) Leviticus 19:18 "Thou shall not steal (whether persons or things. Exodus 20:15/17 expanded its scope) neither deal falsely".

It is dealing falsely to take a houseboy/girl for service which is what you told their lawful Masters (parents) only for you to turn them to slaves in your house and beating and evil treating them.

2) Leviticus 25:17 "Ye shall not therefore oppress one another; but thou shalt fear thy God:"

3) Exodus 23:9 "Thou shalt not oppress a stranger:

4) Exodus 20:21 "Thou shalt neither vex a stranger nor oppress him:

5) Exodus 20:22 "ye shall not afflict ...a fatherless child".

6) Exodus 23:2 "Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil:"

7) Exodus 23:6 "Thou shalt not wrest the judgement of thy poor in his cause"

Commandments which came after the whole world was evil and people like you committed every wickedness under the sun including slavery and after this Commandslavery began to drop.and change from what it used to be to another face we see today. And the Commandments are still there but people continue to be evil

Did you read where Yahweh specifically told slaves to be subservient. He also told them in Ephesians to obey their masters. HE SPECIFICALLY SAID ISRAELITES SHOULD TAKE SLAVES FROM THEIR NEIGHBORS
So stop talking rubbish

adeniyi65:
But have you forgotten that this OT consists most of the references for for 21st century Christians collecting and giving tithes. You can't neglect part of a book and choose others to suit your need.

A
She also forgot the OT bore the 10 commandments. So why are Christians denigrating the OT

Basicend:
Christianity is a loving religion.

Jesus is love, God is love. .

The yoke of Jesus is easy, His burden is light.

He can cloth you, bless you, and set you free.

Have you heard of Christian terrorists?

Zonefree:
Preachers and Christians of these days are too mild and gentle for my liking.

The old testament preachers and Israeli Jews don't tolerate rubbish like this. Eye for an Eye is what makes the world a better place.

Fatwa envy
Dont worry, well give you matches and firewood to kill all the non christians soon

10mobile:
Behaviors like this justify Islamic use of force to enforce their doctrines. Why should you violate a preacher's physical space just because you are sure he's harmless and preaches love? Even here on Nairaland, people are quick to attack Christians. If you think you have the right to be a homosexual, why are you against my right to be a Christian preacher?

I could transfer a million dollars to your account because of this comment. I think Christians should stop being too gentle. Even Jesus Christ flogged people in the Temple.

So you support murder?

jesusjnr2020:
Nothing to dispute really.

Even atheists know I speak the truth.

Lol. Which atheists? Self deceit is a problem for you and your likes. Continue deceiving yourself

StillDtruth:
And I and steep.pointed out that the passages do not say so Plus you can see the passages i have posted show God's prohibition of slavery.

Please which passage in the Bible says Do not take slaves?
Remember Yahweh has strict instructions where he says Do not steal, lie, murder etc. He even gave it in a commandment

StillDtruth:
Do you not know that it is Law that says you should live on the land and not in the sea like a Fish? or that the woman shall carry the child in her and not you the man? or that you shall eat herbs and flesh and not wood,iron and stones?

Which law?
U well so? Oh, I forgot u r psychotic. Never mind

StillDtruth:
You re the one.pretending to lack comprehenion for you saw that voluntary service was in reference to stteep's "cases of the old where people voluntary submitted themselves to service".

Again, did you read the passage? It clearly says 'take slaves from your neighbors'.
How can one voluntarily work for another person when s/he is abducted against their wishes?

StillDtruth:
That is a Lie!

All the countries attacked Isreal first!

I see that not only are you schizophrenic but you don't read your Bible.
Check the Jebusites, Jericho and many other lands etc. Did they fight the Israelites first?

jesusjnr2020:
The biggest lie ever.

Continue deceiving yourselves though if you choose.

If you cannot dispute what he said, just run away with your tail between your legs.
If you can, then do so

Bosskay079:
I'm taken aback by the way church members share testimonies. The way they exaggerate these testimonies is really mind boggling to say the least. Such testimonies are misleading.
Christianity has been badly ridiculed and mocked by some misguided and illinformed so-called Believers.
To this end, the federal government and governments at all levels must now come in to Scrutinize these false testimonies. Every testimony shared must be investigated and verified. Churches are supposed to do this, but they have failed in this regard, as they are more concerned about promoting their churches than winning souls for Christ. Before a member comes on to share their testimonies whether written or oral testimonies, the church should be able to vet such testimonies. You don't stand on the pulpit and begin to lie.
If God healed you, we want confirmation from medical experts to ascertain the veracity of your claims. Anyone found lieing should be jailed or fined.
If you were shot at, and the bullets didn't penetrate, we will like to see proofs.
If u use your gascooker without gas, let others try to use same gascooker to cook and see.
Those of you that drive cars without fuel, e wan know. I'm already fed up with some of these lies.
Mind you, I'm not doubting God and what HE can do. He is a God of impossibilities.

Are you a Christian? Do you believe in talking snakes, donkeys, bushes etc? Do you believe folks can chill inside whales for days? Do you believe people can resurrect en masse? Do you believe people can walk on water etc?
Then what's your problem with those testimonies?

Wordson:
No! Barca no dey lose ... They are very good this season!

What happened in ucl

StillDtruth:
Voluntary service is not slavery.

Enemyship and War is an exception to slavery covered by The Law of Retribution.

Do you have comprehension issues? When you raid a country to take their girls slave, was it voluntary?

StillDtruth:
Wrong. Morality is not determined by any person or society, it was prededetermined by Nature and man came to meet The Laws here.

What is going on is you people just disobeying The Law because you can.

So the laws were placed before man came? Can you explain more?

StillDtruth:
You were on the thread were i showed you that the bible does not condemns slavery and all the other things you said I directly condemned, so you are talking nonsense as usual eg

1) Leviticus 19:18 "Thou shall not steal (whether persons or things. Exodus 20:15/17 expanded its scope) neither deal falsely".

It is dealing falsely to take a houseboy/girl for service which is what you told their lawful Masters (parents) only for you to turn them to slaves in your house and beating and evil treating them.

2) Leviticus 25:17 "Ye shall not therefore oppress one another; but thou shalt fear thy God:"

3) Exodus 23:9 "Thou shalt not oppress a stranger:

4) Exodus 20:21 "Thou shalt neither vex a stranger nor oppress him:

5) Exodus 20:22 "ye shall not afflict ...a fatherless child".

6) Exodus 23:2 "Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil:"

7) Exodus 23:6 "Thou shalt not wrest the judgement of thy poor in his cause"

Did you read the passages we quoted? If you did, yawheh clearly stated that Israelites can take slaves amongst their neighbors

LordReed:
Again it doesn't need to. Would you try to make a spoon into a house?

I didn't define morality. I gave reasons why an individual may care for a sick person, answering your question.

You realize your Bible labelled those things as moral at some point?

He doesnt know that. Look how he dodged the Bible posts we quoted earlier

Steep:
Thanks for being honest. Atheism cannot justify morality and according to your definition morality is a matter of feeling, connection or personal or societal use. Rape, murder, stealing can be labelled good if it benefits individual or society or it is suits the feelings of the individual its all relative.

But rape, murder and stealing has been approved by Yahweh in the Bible. Can the bible then be a symbol of morality?

Steep:
Atheism cannot justify morality.
You contradicting yourself by saying Morality doesn't need to be justified and at the same time Morality is to help individuals and society.
So if Morality is for individual or society need, so it is moral to slave an elderly sick person in other to take his or her money because it helps the individual and also unburden the society of resources needed to take care of the sick?

We're talking about the good of the society at large. Stealing may be good for an individual but not the society

StillDtruth:
if you read the bible you would have seen that those enemies attacked first and kidnapped them, so this was retribution.

And you read the bible and saw it yet you came to Lie and pretend as if you did not see them.

Clear proof you atheists are devils and children of Satan.

Nope. Several countries the Israelites attacked did not confront them first

oz4real83:
The woman who testified about the AK-47 said she was in a dream, there was never a place in the testimony where she said it happened in reality, she said she woke up from the dream after handing them to the police. Many of you didn't watch the video but keep spreading false info about issues you know nothing about.

There are 3 testimonies concerning AK 47s. One was given by a man who said he was shot for 3 hours with AK and nothing happened. 2 testimonies were women, one of which you noted about. The other one was shot in the chest in the market.
Not just those. There are other crazy testimonies about folks getting released in jails all over the world etc