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Lezzlie:
won't you be the most Imbecillic Dundee in a medical suit asking anyone to recite the very oath you swore to to save life?


Answer: are doctors specifically targeted or are victims of random criminal activities by hoodlums, herdsmen and terrorists.

Because in Nigeria we know the group of people who are targeted and doctors no follow.

I see you have a little sense of shame but your stupidity and lack of composure make you seem to be one who can put people's lives in danger entrusted to you.

Wont you be the most cretarded bastardic and ignoramic idiota to tell doctors to abide by an oath they never took? Are your parents this gang-raped that they gave birth to a wasted sperm like you?
Are you aware docs are more kidnapped than other professionals? Take a poll of kidnapped folks and you'll understand

hmohammed:
You should rather use Have instead of Has. Only a kidnapped brain will not understand the use of simple english

Illiterate the proper term is 'has' and not 'have'

luluman:
Because the OP never targeted an attack on christianity.

Of course, he targeted atheism. So why didn't he allow the atheists to worry about the conversions(according to you)?

triplechoice:
I just saw this now

You asked a question,but I should be the one to remind you of it.

You well so?

Mr quack doctor who doesn't know how liquid oxygen is administered to patients. If you have any integrity still left in you, by now you should have deactivated this account of yours and start learning how to live an upright life.

You cannot deceive everybody here.

1. Bast.ard , I have reminded you that I asked many questions in this thread, you should remind me the specific question that is giving u restless night but a week later, u still cannot. Who is mad between 2 of us?
2.By the way, if you wanna know how liquid oxygen is administered to patients, you pay for the knowledge(and cure your ignorance), or u check it online(and hope you get the correct method)

SIRTee15:
Do U believe human has an immaterial essence?

No sir. Try again

FxMasterz:
Okay,

Planetary Fine-Tuning refers to the idea that the fundamental physical constants and planetary conditions that allow for life on Earth are "fine-tuned" to an extraordinary degree.

This means that if these constants and conditions were even slightly different, life as we know it would not be possible.

Some examples of Planetary Fine-Tuning include:

1. Distance from the Sun: If Earth were 5% closer or farther from the Sun, temperatures would be too extreme for liquid water to exist.

2. Atmospheric composition: The precise mix of gases in our atmosphere allows for the right balance of oxygen, carbon dioxide, and other gases necessary for life.

3. Gravitational forces: The strength of gravitational forces between Earth and the Moon, as well as the Sun, is crucial for maintaining stable ocean tides and planetary orbits.

4. Water's chemical properties: Water's unique chemical and thermal properties make it an ideal solvent for life's biochemical processes. Water is here on purpose. Not accidental.

5. Cosmic radiation: The level of cosmic radiation reaching Earth is balanced to allow for life to thrive without being overwhelmed by harmful radiation.

Each fine-tuning is done on purpose to sustain life on earth. This can't be accidental. The necessary calculations, weighing and accurate placement of these complex things are too magnificent to ignore.

The fine-tuning suggests the presence of an intentional and intelligent Designer or Creator.

This is the dvmbest apology for 'fine tuning'
1. Speaking from the medical view, the sun distance still causes damages in the body. Examples like basal and squamous cell carcinomas. So I guess we should get a bit distance. Also the Earth's distance is constantly changing all the time
2. Actually we don't have the right amount of oxygen in our lungs, our alveoli still have lots of work extracting the low volume of oxygen
3. Ever heard of tsunamis? What do you think causes them? Lol 😆
4. I hope you know there are better solvents than water. Did you do any physics or chemistry?
5. Cosmic radiations still manage to penetrate the earth. So what's the point?

hopefulLandlord:
I am an atheist but I'd like to play the devil's advocate here a bit. Let's say we "intelligently" design and produce 500,000 electronic tablets this year and sell them to consumers. All were sold but about 10 of them got returned for errors, glitches, hardware, software, usability issues to varying degrees. Does that mean there was no intelligence? Cuz what you posted about autoimmune disease while true rarely happens

Thanks for the point. Now the thing is cancers, inborn metabolic errors etc are very common. Autoimmune diseases aren't the only ish. I said so.
If he says we are 'intelligently designed', then how can bodily functions have so much errors. Aren't god's products supposed to be perfect?

FxMasterz:
Go and sit down! I won't take the bait you're setting to derail the thread.

Open your ears wide!

This debate is not about intelligent design or complexity of systems. It's about Purpose. Purpose. Unintelligent atheist, listen again for the umpteenth time. It's about Purpose, okay?

1.You say those that expose your scam of denying stuff you said are derailing the thread. Interesting… so we shouldn't expose your lies, right?
2.You said debate is about intelligent design. I have shown you that there's no intelligence in the 'intelligent design', and it still wouldn't penetrate your skull

luluman:
No hypocrisy here, I defended christianity & not worry about the atheism just because I'm a Christian. If you are an atheist you can defend your atheism and also leave us to worry about our christianity,dont do it for us.

Again, why didn't you tell the OP to let atheists worry about the conversion?

Nefort:
How many of them are they compared to the billions of other sane christians world worldwide? Bad people will always exist in every group. There will also be atheists who also discriminate and attack christians?

You said there were no christians attacking non christian. I showed you. Now you're saying they aren't much compared to sane christians. Who is a 'sane' christian? Do you know how much insults or curses atheists get on Nairaland from your 'sane' christians? If they meet in real life, what stops those christians from attacking the atheists? As an atheist, you can't even complain to the police that Christians or Muslims are attacking you. You'll worsen the whole matter

Nefort:
You got the response you got because you posted it as an attention seeker. Just post it under a comment section and not as a major topic and see for yourself that nobody will bother about you.

Ok, Christians that announce 'What god cannot do does not exist' as a post, etc are attention seekers?

Nefort:
You wouldn't get any much response from christians compared to the amount of response you will get from atheists. Just try it yourself and see.

Not true.
By the way, most atheists have no time for that. I see many Christians say 'God is the best' or some other stupid shit, and other Christians would echo it. Rarely see atheists respond

Tetraozonaitera:
Good luck to you bro.

Exactly. You have no response apart from this. Good luck to you too

MaxInDHouse:
No wonder you're always talking off point this is what politics does to people's brains.

Topic of discussion you left and posting another thing entirely yet what you're posting as CRIME is LEGALIZED in your own religion.

Truly politics can make people run mad!

So he's talking off point by exposing your criminal organization, but you derail every thread you join in by talking about your organization, extolling them, when no one is asking you. You well so?

Tetraozonaitera:
Which ever So Called "Christian" converted into atheism because he or she was not even a Christian before.

Bearing Paul and Peter or Emmanuel doesn't make you a Christian.
Being born by Christian parents doesn't make you a christian. So, dont get it twisted.

Going to church every day doesn't even make you a christian.

Such "Christians" get angry at God because they thought Christianity is Bread and Butter.

They face life difficulties despite prayers and get disappointed. So, they kukuma say "Omo, there's no God Joor,"

The fact is, they were not even genuine christians before na.

An example was Professor Tai Solarin.

i watched his interview where he said he became an atheist because. He had tested if there was God and discovered there was none.
He used to be an average student in secondary school despite coming from a Christian Family. He said he was such a fervent praying believer. But he still failed in his exams.
So, one day, he woke up and said, there is No God.
He said aloud, "God you dont exist. If you do, make me fail this exams because I wont call on you. But to proof that you dont exist, I will pass this exams without you"
Like he said, he read his books more than ever and he passed with great marks.

You see?

Disappointment in God makes a lot atheists.

But the fact still remains they were not real Christians before. They only thought they were.

TRUE CHRISTIANS LIVE TO DIE BELIEVING EVEN WHEN DEATH STARES THEM IN THE FACE. NO TRIALS CAN MAKE THEM DENY GOD. NEVER.

Did you even read the link before throwing up this powerful example of No true Scotsman fallacy?
What if I tell you no true atheist converted to Christianity?

luluman:
Why don't you leave that to Christians to worry?

One of your christian dolts posted about an atheist converting to Christianity (cos of some cooked up bullshit), but you didn't tell him to let atheists worry about that
Aint you a beautiful hypocrite

KnownUnknown:
I always find it funny how the god of the Hebrews has a spokesman whose position is a relic of ancient Roman religion.

I wonder what Octavian Caesar would have thought if told that the position he once occupied “Pontifex Maximus”, would one day be office of the head of the Christian religion that venerates a Jew and the god of the Hebrews.

History is hilariously ridiculous as is most human activity.

You think the “shroud of Turin” is stupid. You should read about Constantine’s mother in Judea during the 4th century. They found the “true cross” 300 years after the alleged event. Lmao

Scratch that. Read up the Incorruptible Corpses

LordReed:
I just might do it. Lemme chop the money of sheeple too. Tax free money is very sweet.

I have seriously thought in that vein. I mean, we have a steady supply of sheeples being supplied, why not utilize them

judedwriter:
God who knows the end from the beginning, knew judas was to betray Jesus.

So God knows our choices in life even before we make them.

This is the third chance. Please answer the question. You dodge too much

Nefort:
The part in bold is total nonsense because it doesn't happen in today's world. Tell me about things that happen in today's world. How many times have you heard christians murdering atheists in today's world? Does it really happen very frequently enough to be a major concern?

Few people will hate you for being an atheist the same way people will hate you for believing in other things such as political affiliation. But the truth is that majority of Christians today will not hurt atheists. The few number of christians discriminating against atheists should not represent the majority.

These are Christian terrorist groups, since you insist on burying your head in the sand
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/nathaniel-veltman-muslim-family-canada-b1862845.html%3famp

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10576100701611288

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/16/wieambilla-shootings-australia-christian-terrorist-attack-queensland-police

https://www.salon.com/2015/04/07/6_modern_day_christian_terrorist_groups_our_media_conveniently_ignores_partner/

Lezzlie:
The number of doctors fleeing this country abroad , sparking a very dangerous rate of doctor/patient ratio is alarming and a prerequisite for a health crisis. I want to see doctors engage with the Federal Government on this serious matter.

Insecurity is felt by everyone and is not exclusive to medical doctors who are not even targeted by any armed or terrorist group.

Lastly, doctors are held at a higher standard for a reason and should not be downing tools like some artisan or unskilled labourers over a generic matter like this

Do you think the government cares if any citizen is kidnapped, whether doc or not?
Dialogue do not move them. Insecurity has been here for 10 years and worsening. What has the government done? Nothing. Just lip service. And it would continue to worsen til citizens protest, revolt etc. That's when they know you're serious. If not, time would come, kidnappers would be going round to kidnap folks in their sleep, and still nothing would happen. By then, I would be safely outta here

Lezzlie:
I see where you're coming from and it's difficult to see reasin with you.

But see how hollow your argument is: doctors are going on strike for the release of one of their own and if that one is released, they will call off the strike. So if the country burns they don't care as long as the government pulls all of its resources to free one of their own, then everything can return to status quo. See how your logic falls on its face?

The foolishness on this platform is mind-blowing.

Doctors will not strike on poor medical equipment or poor facilities or lack of TB and malaria medication in the country or the high rate of child-mother mortality rate where Nigeria is a defending champion in death of mother and child.

But will put patients' life in danger for one of their own , going against its own Hippocratic oath.

Even the police, the most hated government agency in Nigeria have more decorum and professionalism than you people.

I don't understand your point. So the doctors should lie low when docs are kidnapped left right and center? Do you have an alternative option to strike we should adhere to?
By the way, here are the instances we have gone on strike for poor equipments, training etc

https://dailypost.ng/2024/04/26/delsuth-resident-doctors-begin-one-week-warning-strike/

https://www.channelstv.com/2024/06/21/ogun-doctors-threaten-strike-over-poor-working-conditions/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/8/2/nigerian-doctors-begin-strike-over-pay-inadequate-facilities

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2024/07/ojukwu-varsity-doctors-threaten-strike-over-poor-working-conditions/

I have been observing your posts, they reek of ignorance. Try and educate yourself before engaging folks online

hmohammed:
Sometimes i wonder if Nigerians actually got an education or something else. How is this action logical? Or could it be that Nigerians have psycho issues? You dont mind losing lives in order to save 1 life

Has your brain been kidnapped before?

advocatejare:
You didn’t ask me questions first, why are you a liar like this?

I asked you the question at 1:21pm that you should bring out the communique that supported your lies, when did you ask your own question?

Check the screenshot below

Idiot.a this is the link to my post where I asked the question . Check the time. It was 12.19pm. I know u like lying like your true father, the devil which you people pulled out from your ass

https://www.nairaland.com/8195839/resident-doctors-begin-nationwide-strike/1#131697142

TONYE001:
You guys should stop calling the Hippocratic Oath in your poor blackmailing attempt.

Look up the doctor-patient ratio in Nigeria and you'll get a hint of the number of lives that are equivalent to a single doctor's.

Kidnapping of medical doctors have been occuring across the country...just a few days ago, a group of medical students were kidnapped.

As an organization, it is only natural to fight for the safety of its members, and as has been shown in the Nigerian story, strike seems to be the only language the government understands.

Whether other associations decide to strike or not is not the issue of today.

Turn this energy with which you throw abuses here and there to the government. You and your likes should urge the government to secure the release of this doctor.

You should be aware that it is idiocy for a nation not to prioritize the lives of its healthcare providers.... comparable to what security personnel are going through now. Doctors cannot continue to go to work when one of them has been in captivity since December last year.

Note that going on strike does not mean unstable patients will be ignored. We have our ways of handling this issue.

It's appalling the hatred doctors in this country face. Read through this thread and you'll find folks speaking bitterly of their doctors... people that work in the midst of impossible conditions to provide care.

It's the same way people throw abuses at our security personnel at the slightest opportunity.

Someone up there wrote that Nigerian doctors contribute nothing to healthcare. Imagine the ignorance.

Most Nigerians are ungrateful. Very ungrateful.

Ironic thing is that when their family member falls sick, they still approach this good-for-nothing Nigerian doctor for treatment.

Una well done sha.

That's the more reason you should japa when u can. No patient is worth your life

Susily:
Look up the revised version of the Hippocratic oath known as the PHYSICIAN'S PLEDGE by WHO and educate yourself, so you don't speak ignorantly

To paraphrase it, "I'll prioritize my health and well-being physically and mentally, in order to be able to discharge my duties effectively to my patients"

So my friend, doctors going on strike to protest the kidnap of a colleague is them abiding exactly by the OATH they took. Prioritizing their health and well-being physically and mentally

Indian doctors went on Nationwide strike recently because of rape and murder of a colleague, which is in line with the OATH

The anger should be directly towards the government for the insecurity in the country and not on doctors acting within the OATH they took

I get tired of lay folks quoting this Hippocratic Oath when they don't even know what's written there. It gets one seriously pissed at how supposedly smart folks are this ignorant

Lezzlie:
The medical professional should be held to a higher standard.

The present crop of Nigerian doctors cannot be blackmailed, they don't have neither the training or the responsibility or shame to be blackmailed.

Please where in Nigeria are doctors targeted for kidnapping in this country?

A doctor who disregard the Hippocratic oath, the very oath that sets the medical professional apart, is unfit to be a doctor and should be disbarred.

Please can you recite the Hippocratic Oath? Or more importantly tell you what it said? Thank you.
Oh, and here are the litany of doctors kidnapped over a space of 10 years, at different states

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2017/04/21/nma-decries-incessant-kidnapping-of-doctors-in-aba/

https://articles.nigeriahealthwatch.com/the-kidnapping-of-doctors-and-why-it-matters/

https://gazettengr.com/at-least-10-doctors-victims-of-kidnap-violent-crimes-in-two-months-in-enugu-nma-2/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/punchng.com/medical-dental-consultants-decry-kidnapping-of-cross-river-doctors/%3famp
This particular one pain me cos the woman na my teacher at UCTH
https://www.pulse.ng/news/local/20-doctors-have-been-kidnapped-in-nigeria-in-2021-nma-cries-for-help/yvff7g6

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2023/11/10-doctors-kidnapped-within-2-months-in-enugu-nma/

https://thesun.ng/doctors-as-endangered-species/

Do you actually think the only reason doctors are running away is cos of money? Security is top of the agenda. And they think we have a lot of money. Lol 😆
So tomorrow it may be me. So something has to be done

advocatejare:
Are you saying that your parents were foolish to have believed in God and that you are wiser than them to have believed against what they believe?
Anyways, an apple doesn’t fall too far from its tree

If you are a honorable person, provide proof to what you wrote

I’m still awaiting the communique on this strike where the doctors said they are striking against insecurity and not because of their colleague! If you can’t produce it, then you’re a liar like Satan your father!

Are saying your great grand parents were foolish enough to become idol worshippers? Why didn’t you become one like them, since you want me to be a Christian like my parents?
I asked you a question before you asked me, so reply mine first

judedwriter:
All the same, God did not interfere when lucifer chose to rebel or the watchers chose to sleep with women. God doesn't majorly interfere with our free will.

Just like many christians I have interacted with, you have done a fine job of dodging the question. Please answer

JaffyJoe:
What are you talking about? Not once have I heard or read anything about Christians maiming atheists in this country. Are you pulling stories out of your A-hole now?

You obviously have your head buried in the sand. I left my workplace cos of persecution. Below is a map of how atheists are persecuted worldwide. The fact you don't know doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Most atheists would not tell you on the street what he is

judedwriter:
Everyone has his or her own free will... God does not force anyone to love Him or obey Him.

Do you know there are many instances in the Bible where Yahweh interfered in people's decisions? Lol 😆
One of them is when he hardened poor Pharaoh's heart. Besides you guys always pray to him to change people's mind, don't you? Remember "… the heart of the king is in his hands… "
So how are you gonna defend that

lesbiconverter:
Try to read before you type

So is a non-theist person a Christian?
By the way, I have a screenshot of a simple definition. So read and learn