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TenQ:
Since it's about the op let's limit it to what I cannot see.
I couldn't see Oxygen gas, so using the logic of the OP, Oxygen doesn't exist.

Have you seen any software in machine before? Does it mean that it doesn't exist?
There are realities that can be seen and realities that cannot be seen.

You have brought up this your false software dichotomy that we have debunked. We can interface with it in many forms

TenQ:
Sorry o!

I alluded to what I could see just as the OP judged by what he could see.

Yeah, you are right. But if OP had been touched or slapped by a ghost, he'd have believed they existed. But in this case, neither did he interface in any form with them. With oxygen, we can interact and interface with it

Sapasenator:
I believe in the existence of supernational forces even though I may not be able to offer empirical proof for my beliefs. In one instance when I was younger, I had a friend called Kabiru, He was a 100-level student of engineering at OAU at the time.

He was trying to separate fights between two individuals, one of them brought a ring (oruka), Inserted it into one of his fingers, and attempted to slap the other guy with the ring, Kabiru came in-between, was slapped on the body with the ring and he fell dead instantly.

Lets assume this is true.
Did you witness the fight? If you did, did he land with his head? Did he die immediately or on the way to hospital, or in the hospital?

Sapasenator:
Weak because you only alluded to the senses of sight. There are other physical ways oxygen can be tested and observed while there is none to back up the existence of ghosts, God, the devil, or evil. That you cannot see oxygen with your eyes is a very weak argument.

For me, I believe we are not alone and there is voodoo which is very much active, I also know there is no physical evidence for this belief so I will never attempt to debate them with op.

You contradicted yourself. If you say there are ways to evaluate oxygen, how do we evaluate voodoo

Badmashiii:
What do you mean by "evidence"? The existence or a so called "evidence " doesn't something is a fact,you dig?

I don't understand that statement. Please rephrase…

Badmashiii:
I only know how to summon and it was a trusted preacher that gave me the knowledge. You have to know how to send it back to it's realm otherwise it will be stuck with you and you don't want to know what that means.

Besides,i can't show you the demon if you mean image or something,i can only give you the rituals which you will perform youself late at the night.

Anything that comes up,you face it alone.

Either way,DM at this number 07088555036

Right. So is this number on whatsapp. I wanna take a screenshot and create a thread so as to make it public

FxMasterz:
1. So accept that the effects of creation is a proof that there was a Creator behind creation.

2. When did I say everything must be created? Even if I said so, the questions you asked are irrelevant. Ignorance of how the Creator came about or of the tools He used for His creations has nothing to do with the proof of His existence.

3. Lies. I never said your 3 heads have no effect. I said your 3 heads and your magic wand has no effect. You need to separate your one head which we see from your 3 heads and magic wand which we do not see for you to make any sense.

4. Your body can be one of the worst peace of art for all I care. Not mine. Science is amazed at the complexity and the intelligent design of the human body and the universe. The nervous system itself is such a marvel. Lying atheist, why have you not created your own piece of human body since your yeye body is the worst piece of art? Show me the body you have Created. Your faulty logic lies in the fact that imperfection itself does not disprove the existence of a Creator.

Moreover, your weak attempt to digress from the very points I made is very glaring. You couldn't counter me at all. You're just beating around the bush. I have told you that everything created has a PURPOSE. The key word here is PURPOSE. Purposeful designs that are intelligently put together. That's what you should dispute. Stop beating around the bush. Show me something that has a Purpose. Something Intelligently put together to fulfil a purpose and yet has no creator. Just show me one!

1. You keep talking from both sides of your mouth. You just said below that you didn't say everything must be created, now you are saying there is a creator.
Lemme ask you one more time. IS EVERYTHING CREATED? YES OR NO?
2. So tell me the stuffs that weren't created? And why I pointed out the source of creation is cos you christians keep saying atheists believe something came drom nothing
3. I don't even understand the point you're tryna make here
4. Lol. I don't even know how to start explaining this point to you. Lemme start with this one. Have you watched labor before? Are you aware some babies are covered in poo while coming out. Why does an intelligent designer put the entry point of all humans just beside the shit dump? Also are you aware that back pain and hemorrhoids is rampant in humans cos of our bipedal nature? Maybe you can read up some of the flaws here. https://nautil.us/top-10-design-flaws-in-the-human-body-235403/

Are you aware that humans have appendix? What do you think was the purpose? Lets start with that one before we go forward

Badmashiii:
You tried to sound intelligent but you ended up looking stupid. I can bet you're either a Christian or an "atheist",but you should be more of an atheist because i know so many christians that are intelligent and rational without this "wokeness" or "seeing-is-believing" attitude.

Now,answer this if you're a Christian; have you ever seen God before? Why do you believe jesus is the savior when you're not even sure jesus is a fairy tale?

If you're atheist on the other hand then i have no answer for you. Keep on keeping on.

Why do people like you get salty when asked for evidence?

FxMasterz:
Have you ever seen your mind before? You're pointing out its effects as proofs. Meanwhile the effects of creationism are everywhere around us but yet you dismissed them. Your 3 heads and magic wands that work like a genie have no effect like the mind and creationism do, hence, they can be dismissed as being fictitious. The complexity of the universe itself and the purposefulness of everything created (Everything created has an important purpose - the eyes for seeing, the legs for movement, the air for sustaining breath, the tongue for tasting foods, the hole on your ass for passing out expended food, a separate tract for passing out used water, trees and plants for food production, rains and sunshine and all the numerous things that exist each has its purpose. Such purposeful existent of things CAN NEVER be accidental. There's a mark of intelligence, thoughtfulness, calculation and proactiveness in all things created. Creationism proves itself. Your three heads and magic wands do not.

1. Yes, effects can be used as proof. We can't see gaseous oxygen but its effects on us is obvious. The proof of the existence of my mind is that we can see its effects. My day to day actions. Also some 'minds' have pathologies like schizophrenia, Alzheimer's etc
2. You said everything must be created, right? So how did this creator come about? And where did he see material to create universe and animals, including man.
3. What do you mean my 3 heads have no effect? I’m using them to head football. Even if theres no effect, does it mean it doesnt exist?
4. The human body is one of the worst piece of art. So don't use it as an example of 'intelligent design'. Its greatly flawed in design and purpose, and prone to a lot of diseases. I'm a physician, I'll tell you that for free

We have to do something about this psychopath.
Whats worse is that there are many Christians and Muslims like this. Ready to maim and kill.

Michaeltreasure:
Op, what's the difference between you and Boko Haram, ISIS, Al Qaeda etc?
This is extremism, hope you know. Thank God Christianity is not a violent religion, some of you would have carried bombs and guns and formed extremist terrorist groups...

Actually christianity is violent, though relatively less violent than Islam. I hope you know there are currently Christian terrorists who actually maim and kill

StillDtruth:
Now i understand you more. You saw God Cursed you as proven by your Madness which doctors say is called schrizophenia

"Schizophrenia is a chronic, severe mental disorder that affects the way a person thinks, acts, expresses emotions, perceives reality, and relates to others

And life has been.very very bitter and miserable for you ever since. You have gotten nothing and amounted to nothin like hellvictorinho pretends to be. You are not a doctor, you don't have a job a wife oranything. You jump buses upandan in lagos and your shoes have more mileage than danfo buses.

You are poor, Cursed and misery full thing and the suffering and pain you have had is already too much.

So you want to die quick thinking it all ends in death, but you are unable to commit suicide

So your great pain and suffering maked you insalt God so that He can kill you and remove you from your sufferings and torments. 😆😆😆

Hahahahaha for, you, you have to live.😆 living is punishment for you. 😆😆 😆

So you shall live in humger, madness, failures and rejection. People shall never open their doors to you. In your house you are the joke of children and in your street they have given you a name not fit for cocktosches. 😆😆😆

You are already a curse and a reproach to people so you wonder what could be worse than what you.have already experienced? 😆😆😆

So, i curse, you shall experience worse than you have ever experienced before to the point that you shall shout like the mad man you are that the suffering is too much for you. For all your long life on earth so shall it be. The passing year is always better than the coming year till you die old and grey looking like a 2000 year old mummy at just 68 years.

So for this, God and i can endure your insalts for we understand it is the pain and miseries you have suffered that is making you holla like a demon. So more suffering to.your soul mad foolish atheists.

Whoa! I'm really impressed you sat down and took your sweet time to type all these. That's sweet of you, bro

StillDtruth:
I wish God would do toall atheists as He did to Egypt when Isreal was with them.

So today, Christianity means children of Abraham while the Egyptians today are atheists.

Thus, i pray thee o Lord that the atheists we see today we shall see no more.

That let their be mournings in the houses of atheists whereas in the houses of Christians there are shouts of joys!

Let their be barreness in the houses of atheists whereas in the houses of Christians their shall giglings of babies.

Let the atheist never marry but let the christian be joyfully married.

Let the atheist sow a field and reap a desert whereas let the Christian sow a grain of wheat and he reaps a harvest of 30s and 60s and 100s wheat and corn.

Let the plagues enter the atheists.house whereas the christian dwelleth safely as thou didst do in Egypt.

So what's stopping him? Is he scared or what? He's been hiding for centuries now…
Or are atheists stronger than this god. By the way, tell him this particular atheist says he can suck a big dicckk, its good for his health

Badmashiii:
You be my manchi but i have to disagree with some aspect of your post.

Demons exist and thats a fact. There are certain rituals to perform if you want to physically see one.

The reason why they are veiled from our sight is for our own good. It will be hard to keep your sanity when you're always seeing lots of ugly-looking creatures all around you. Yes,demons are twice the population of humans and have been the defacto inhabitants of earth before our own creation.

Do you still want me to show you the ritual? As a reminder,demon are scary,. ugly looking and powerful creatures. If it appears before you and you lost your liver,you're definitely going to run mad.

This incidents has happened to different people I'm acquainted to so you need to keep that mind if you want to go ahead.

Please can you show me those demons, I'm game. Please don't cop out like many before you

FxMasterz:
Creationism doesn't need any proof. It proves itself. That someone cannot prove something does not mean he can't believe in it. I cannot prove the existence of the mind but I believe it exists.

The mind can be proven to exist. Its a combination of our consciousness, thought process and behavior. We can actually appraise thought processes via EEG and other machines.
So if creationism doesn't need a proof, if I tell you I have 3 heads and a magic wand that works like a genie, would you believe me without a proof?

bobestman:
You are still saying.the same thing
As you think their is a first man in your village but can't proof who he is
So their are gods who ruled this earth both religious and science
You asking for evidence of what happened millions of years ago shows you aren't serious at all
If you need proof go and research online about them. Their are ancient books that will tell you about them. Their are stories on NL about them. But I won't tell you anything. Am not forcing you to believe. If you want to know go and find out. If you can't give the name of the first man in your village then you should not bother to know the gods who ruled this earth before mortal men. Even if you find out anything good, your hardened Athiests heart will still call it lies. So it a waste of time trying to help you understand these things

Do you deal in evidence or folktales?

Jacktheripper:
Enjoy

Do have evidence of his existence?

LordReed:
Naa it's not DtruthSpeaker, just his lil puppy dog sidekick.

Lol. What are the chances another Nairaland user bears similar name to Dtruthspeaker, has the same style of conversation, same syntax and sentence composition, same religious view and managed to be around at the same time to chit-chat with him?
Zero chance. They are the same idiots!

BitterPost:
God exists. You and every other low IQ nairaland ''atheist" know this to be true.

You are just angry because he exist and he doesn't give a shit about you and every other human on this planet.

Evidence please?

StillDtruth:
You are talking nonsense and mixing it up because you don't know how it works.

Fallacies and making assertions are not the same things and operate on different laws.

Fallacies only come after an assertion has been made. And Rule 2. THE FREEDOM RULE, A person is free to make any assertion he likes, which is why you people can freely talk some of the rubbish you say eg "your billion.dollar in your acvount."

So, the next rule after an assertion has been made is for the asserter to "prove THE TRUTH (AND NOT THE LIE. YOU PEOPLE ARE NOT.AWARE THAT IT IS THE TRUTH.THAT IS BEING PROVEN; of his assertion" with evidence. And the Freedom Rule still applies.. And this is the burden of proof.

THERE IS NOTHING LIKE PERPETIUAL.BURDEN OF PROOF WHICH IS WHAT YOU ATHEIST ARE THINKING 😆😆😆

It is only.after this that the opponent can point any breach of Law or Fact in the asserters case and this is where rules of logic eg fallacy come in.😆

So, you see, you are mixing it up, hence why you got it wrong and spoke.wrongfully! 😆

And that is why you people can never make a valid case because, atheism is built on Lies whereas The Law on fair and just debates are all based on Truths! 😆😆😆😆😆

Stay tuned, I will be right back after thiese commercials. 😆😆😆😆

Please are you sure u r even a lawyer? Cos I don't understand why a lawyer does not know how a burden of proof works

Steep:
It is evident that nairaland atheists cannot intellectually counter the points raised but instead are hiding in shadows to throw shade. Bunch of cowards.

If you cannot reason logically, then u can't reason properly. You shouldn't have posted the video in the first, if you don't understand what logical fallacies are

Steep:
How does this counter his argument, the debate is not against or for a personal God but for the existence of God it is not a debate for which God is right or not.

This is stupidity at its finest, when has nothing ever produce nothing, can you give evidence that nothing can bring forth something?

Either you don't know what evidence is or you deliberately ignore it.

1. If you actually watched the video, it was about his own personal god, and not just his god
2. So if nothing can bring forth nothing, HOW DID YOUR GOD POP OUT FROM?
3. How is evidence proved?

bobestman:
I hate it when ppl cos of whatever they believe try to hide, lie or deny the truths in others beliefs. I don't agree with many Christians and their doctrines but I can't deny truths if I see it. I don't agree with Athiests but will never condemn them for their choices

You don't know the name of the first man in your village but want me to tell you the name of the science gods, something that haopened millions of years ago before mortal men. Even if I tell you, you will still find another excuse to give.

I don't need the name. I want proof of the science god. Simple. There is proof that there was a first man in my village, I don't need to know his name, but I know he existed. About the god, u just said he existed. No proof, no name

FxMasterz:
Liar, confess and apologize.

Bit.ch, if you cannot read, then shut it. I never directly called you a retard

Whyai:
Refute the points or shut up. That's why Islam and judaism are taken more seriously. You fools refuse to learn your religion, and then attack anyone asking questions.

Their religion literally tells them not to ask questions. Cos it knows how brittle it is before it succumbs to scrutiny

FxMasterz:
By referring to all christians while discussing with me, you're referring to me and extending the insults to all christians. You're just a demonic and unrepentant liar.

Ok, if you say so

descarado:
There is a thin line between religious illusionists and schizophrenia.

Religion gained root when research on mental health has not gained ground in the world.
Else, we will see these people as who they are.
People that need help.

Mental sickness is not when you roam about naked on the street or in tattered clothing.

Nigerian health institutions should explore more about mental health and create more awareness.
In this era somebody is still talking about Satan and cain or whatever.

Unfortunately bro, the issue of mental health is a taboo in African societies. They perceive mentally challenged person as someone that is naked and roaming the streets. So they can't be associated with that. They don't know some unhinged folks are in places of leadership and power. Some are religious leaders. Some pastors are psychotic. There are many examples of pastors that coerce their followers into harming themselves or even k.illing themselves. Jim Jones is a prime example.
Until we address the issue as a country, we'll continue to depreciate due to people like DTruthSpeaker

Expanse2020:
I don't think you still have mother or your mother brought you up in an upright manner.
Your concern about woman with Satan is alarming..
If you call a woman evil
Definitely
Your mother, sisters, wife automatically are evil and you will never enjoy life from them..
I can't just imagine the person (woman) who brought up to read your thread concerning women..

He's psychotic

FxMasterz:
Liar! There's no single truth in a demonic and satanic atheist!

I said atheists are liars and you have proven it to be true.

After I cured your dementia, you found solace in more lies.

Oga, I wasn't specifically referring to you

FxMasterz:
People work for money. Nobody worships his work. Belief is different from knowledge. You can know something without believing in it. The biologist professes only his belief by relating with co-believers. Your analogy is faulty. I have pastored in Winners and RCCG. Two churches with different ideologies. While I pastored those churches faithfully in line with their ideologies, I still had my own ideologies. Teaching Winners or RCCG congregants does not make me a fan of their ideologies. What I do outside of Winners and RCCG is what defines me, same as the biologist in question who openly professes his faith as a christian biologist and not as an atheistic biologist. He's a teacher for a while but a Christian for life.

You obviously ignored my point. The difference between the 2 is he can prove evolution while he cannot prove creationism. So one is based on evidence and the other on faith. So which one is he going to take serious?

bobestman:
What is the name of the first man in your village?
Whether you believe it or not the first ppl to live on this plane called earth were higher beings. They are not ordinary beings and thus seen as gods. Thru them you mortals came. Some are good. Some are bad. Some created religion cos they seek to recieve worship like the one who made them. Others used their gifts and powers to make findings and discover things (science). Everything has their God or otherwise masters. When those great beings left the earth ppl start to worship them cos of their great knowledge and powers. Many of such ppl are those some of your ancestors call to inquire about certain things today. Some of you think they are mad but you don't know it truly happens. Iet me stop here.

The first man in my village obviously had a name. But your scientific gods are concoctions you pulled out of your anus

Steep:
This is purely an emotional response nothing logical.
The Mathematics professor never even appealed to the bible.
Prof did a good job

Lol. The bible wasn't the only point I raised. You tacitly ignored the others. Nice try lol 😆