Steep: Dan Barker"s argument are very weak and were easily debunked. Firstly, the argument for the existence of God is not the argument for a specific God. Secondly, the argument that God must be created if we are to go with "nothing can exist without a creator" is nonsensical because things that come into existence God did not come into existence he has always existed for all of eternity.
The Mathematics professed really did a good job.
So where was the proof he was always in existence?
truespeak: It's so funny how these Atheists are quick to shout fallacy like a kid brandishing a paper sword wey for im mind na weapon of mass destruction!
Then begins to cry when you just tear the paper from his hand, first shock, then cry ooo, then abuse and insult.
Ride on my brother. God continue to bless you for he seeth all your work against these devils.
CURSED are they in all the earth! Nothing good shall ever befall them! They shall live screaming and shall die screaming!
Using an alt account to lend credibility to your posts, is nothing less than childish and stupid
StillDtruth: Going by your response alone we can see,
Did you not hear The Rule is "he who asserts must prove?
Since you assert God does not exist, the burden is on you to prove!
Thus it is you people who shift the burden on christians.
When you said "it is scientifically, historically and logically challenged".you appealed to Authority 😆
And not all Appeal to Authority is a fall because Expert Evidence, is lawfull evidence
If not, you too can never bring in your DNA expert or archeologist, or scientist or ballistic experts and theiir evidence to prove or defend your case, so you are talking nonsense. 😆
Thank God you admitted.the Truth that it "does not necessarily indicate something is true"
Meaning that pupularity is also a sign of Truth, which is why it is good evidence.
Argumentum ad populum is only a fallacy "WHEN IT IS NOT TRUE" and you can trust that the opposing party will point it out.
And when a fact is true as confirmed and corroborated by the population and there is no evidence that it is not True, then ithe case is made and proven True.. 😆
So, since you did not point where this corroboration of evidence and Truth by the popular, is a Lie, it therefore means that this Lennox guy has sploken the Truth and even a Truth you yourself knew to be True, so, you have no issue here 😆😆
Repeating yourself
Fallacy of adding burden of proof! 😆
2. THE FREEDOM RULE PARTIES MUST NOT PREVENT EACH OTHER FROM PUTTING FORWARD STANDPOINTS.
His Stand point is "Unknown entity".
When it is your turn to reply, you can present your argument.
So, again you are talking rubbish.😆😆😆
Objection!😆😆😆
Off point and Fallacy of Departure from Post!😆
Fallacy of Raising new argument 😆
Fallacy of pleading disputed argument.😆
Fallacy of passing personal opinion as if opinion as been as accepted as True.😆
Fallacy of passing judgment (prejudice) whereas you are an opponent.😆
Fallacy of passing judgment on an untried case.😆
Fallacy of appeal to untried and untested authority "scientifically, historically and logically challenged"
I Move to strike out and i hereby strike it out! 😆😆😆
[b]So, in conclusion, you said nothing but rubbish and invalid arguments in your response for all your counters are invalid and untrue and unacceptable arguments under The Laws of Logic and Laws of Evidence! 😆😆😆
And so your arguments are use none and struck off and dismissed😆
And the John Lennox's case stands unimpeached and uncontroverted. 😆
I rise! 😆😆😆😆
1.Obviously you dont know know fallacies work. The people making assertions here are the theists. You came into the world,looked at it and exclaimed "Oh,this must be created by a god" then atheists are asking you for evidence and you promptly dumps the burden on me? Its like i tell you i have a billion dollars in my account, and you ask me for proof which entails me to show my statement of account. But instead i tell you to prove i dont have a billion dollars. How does it sound in that your psychotic brain
2. This your analogy no hold wata atall. In the court scenario,the judge or jury is requesting for an expert view or evidence. I have been called to testify against a fellow physician in a medical negligence case. Your utterances are always backed by data from proven researches which I'll have to show the court, not personal thoughts or my own views . And those proven researches should be what is obtained in the best practice at that point in time. In the case of Lennox he was quoting the personal views of those scientists, not their research output.
3. This third point no jus follow at all. So its the populace that determines if a position is true or not? Are you aware people believed gods were responsible for plagues,or that the earth was flat etc.
And when did i say this Thank God you admitted.the Truth that it "does not necessarily indicate something is true"
You have started this wrong inference rubbish again.
4. His stamdpoint was not unknown entity. He specifically said the christian god. Not any other god.
5. As usual you just pull up rubbish from your ass as facts. What do you mean Fallacy of creating new arguments etc. Fallacy of Raising new argument 😆
Fallacy of pleading disputed argument.😆
Fallacy of passing personal opinion as if opinion as been as accepted as True.😆
Fallacy of passing judgment (prejudice) whereas you are an opponent.😆
Fallacy of passing judgment on an untried case.😆
Fallacy of appeal to untried and untested authority "scientifically, historically and logically challenged"
LordReed: You must have failed reading comprehension, where in his OP does he say don't defend your god? Abi he is even calling you to come and defend your faith. But as you are a DtruthSpeaker sidekick I am not surprised by your lack of basic reading skills.
Its a DTruthSpeaker alt account. Same person. Same idiota
FxMasterz: Go and sit down, you clown. I showed you Christian scientists whose science never negated their Christian beliefs! Tell another lie.
The christian biologist fallacy up there is illogical. Humans often separate issues of work, religion and marriage whenever they find it necessary. A man's innate belief is not defined by what he does in the classroom or church. It is defined by what he identifies with outside the classroom and church. Scientists who lived as Christians and died as Christians are proofs that you're a liar. Even after seeing that many of these scientists even wrote faith based books as I previously explored in a previous post.
I just gave you a scenario. An evolutionary biologist cannot be a Christian cos his work negates his belief. Some people are Christians cos its the most 'natural' belief available but they don't believe its teachings Thats my point
FxMasterz: Which particular shows are you claiming to have been scripted?
You referred me to CBS Reality, that they talk about ghosts and stuff, so it must be true. So which particular show on CBS Reality are you talking about?
FxMasterz: Liar! You wee having a direct convo with me, not with another Christian, and you refered to me and other Christians as retards. Go and cute your dementia!
I just scrolled and checked and cant see any evidence. So show me
FxMasterz: So, you lying atheist is the one who would tell us Newton's religion? Lol. By the way, was Newton the only Christian scientist mentioned in the list? What gave you the audacity to refute my claim using a false Newton narrative?
Is it not foolish to ask if Christian scientists make inventions by praying in the lab? Have you asked if a Christian Cook makes food in the kitchen by praying? Or who told you that a Christian tailor makes clothes by praying in her shop?
Does cooking negate the Christian cook's belief? No. In the case of science, it completely goes against any theistic beliefs. For example, a Christian evolutionary biologist would go to church to teach creationism on Sunday and come to work on Monday to research and teach evolution. Does it make sense ? Cos in his mind, he'll know that creationism is a farce while he can prove evolution Read up about Newton's religion. I haven't had time to research on the religions of those other 'christians' you talked about https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Isaac_Newton
FxMasterz: Yes, I said atheist are liars. That was all I said. You replied that christians are retards. Something must be wrong with you to have forgotten what you wrote that made me give you that response. Go back and read. Cure your dementia.
Was I referring to you? If you had a convo with another atheist and tell him atheists are retards, why should I respond? Its just like your fellow christian DTruthSpeaker that insults and curses atheists with every comment he makes.
FxMasterz: Is everything not scripted to you? Even you yourself, you're scripted according to your defective logic. Stop living a scripted life, lying atheist!
Which particular shows on Reality TV are you talking about?
OkpaNsukkaisBae: Dis guy dey ment. In this era of Tinubulation, no reasonable atheist will leave the work that is putting food on his table and start praying for god believers to lose their faith in god or die
Don't you think we have families, parents, uncle, aunties, cousins, nephews who probably are all Christians. Say no to drug abuse please🙏
FxMasterz: Another proof that you guys are chronic liars! To the best of my knowledge, even among the world's renown scientists, atheists are very few! Majority are Christians l! Here’s a small list of renowned Christian scientists, both past and present, who have made significant contributions to various fields of science:
Past Renowned Christian Scientists:
1. Isaac Newton (1643–1727) - Physicist and mathematician, known for formulating the laws of motion and universal gravitation.
2. Johannes Kepler (1571–1630) - Astronomer, best known for his laws of planetary motion.
3. Blaise Pascal (1623–1662) - Mathematician, physicist, and inventor, known for Pascal's Theorem and contributions to probability theory.
4. Robert Boyle (1627–1691) - Chemist, physicist, and one of the founders of modern chemistry, known for Boyle’s Law.
5. Michael Faraday (1791–1867) - Physicist and chemist, known for his work in electromagnetism and electrochemistry.
6. Gregor Mendel (1822–1884) - Monk and geneticist, known as the father of modern genetics for his work on inheritance in pea plants.
7. James Clerk Maxwell (1831–1879) - Physicist, known for formulating the classical theory of electromagnetic radiation.
8. Georges Lemaître (1894–1966) - Priest and astrophysicist, proposed the Big Bang theory of the origin of the universe.
9. Louis Pasteur (1822–1895) - Chemist and microbiologist, known for his discoveries of vaccination, microbial fermentation, and pasteurization.
10. Lord Kelvin (William Thomson) (1824–1907)- Physicist and mathematician, known for his work on thermodynamics and the Kelvin scale.
Present Renowned Christian Scientists:
1. Francis Collins (1950–present) - Geneticist, leader of the Human Genome Project, and former director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH).
2. John Polkinghorne (1930–2021) - Physicist and Anglican priest, known for his work in theoretical physics and his writings on science and religion.
3. Jennifer Wiseman (1962–present)- Astrophysicist and Director of the Dialogue on Science, Ethics, and Religion at the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS).
4. Alister McGrath (1953–present) - Molecular biophysicist, theologian, and Christian apologist known for his work in the science-religion dialogue.
5. Joan Centrella - Astrophysicist known for her work on black holes and gravitational waves.
6. William D. Phillips (1948–present) - Physicist, Nobel laureate in Physics for his contributions to laser cooling.
7. John C. Lennox (1943–present) - Mathematician and philosopher of science, known for his debates on the relationship between science and religion.
These scientists have not only contributed significantly to their respective fields but have also explored the relationship between their faith and scientific work. This is contrary to what lying atheists would want us to believe. Sons of Satan looking for gullible souls to deceive!
Before you come up with another lie to say they became atheists as you have always done, let me tell you beforehand that among these renowned Christian scientists listed, none are widely recognized as having become atheists. All of them either maintained their Christian faith throughout their lives or were known for their efforts to reconcile science with their religious beliefs. And you lying atheist are not more scientific than them!
For instance:
Isaac Newton remained a deeply religious Christian, though his views diverged from orthodox Trinitarian Christianity.
Johannes Kepler was a devout Lutheran and later aligned with Reformed Christianity. - **Michael Faraday** was a member of the Sandemanian church, a Christian sect.
Gregor Mendel was a Roman Catholic monk.
James Clerk Maxwell was a devout Christian, involved in the Anglican church.
Georges Lemaître was a Roman Catholic priest.
Louis Pasteur was a devout Catholic.
Francis Collins is an evangelical Christian and has written extensively on his faith.
John Polkinghorne was an ordained Anglican priest.
John C. Lennox is an outspoken Christian apologist.
These scientists are noted not just for their scientific achievements but also for their efforts to integrate their faith with their understanding of the natural world. Lying atheists in the mud.
Francistown, shame on you!
I have had this convo before. Newton isnt a christian. By today's standard of Christianity, he'll be termed an antichrist. By the way, was their inventions produced by Christianity or science? Did they make inventions by praying in the lab or actually conducting scientific researches?
FxMasterz: Go and sleep on a tomb and do video coverage of yourself if you want anyone to take you serious. For now, no evidence. Everything you've been saying are all lies. And it's actually a sign of an apparent lack of understanding for you to think that you must see a ghost each time you sleep in a cemetery. You are actually a liar but your lies are even more glaring, and your intentions exposed because no one told you that these things happen all the time. Go watch CBS Reality on DSTV. Sometimes they show these things and other weird phenomenon on live camera. Stop lying and pretending you're speaking the truth! I don't need to interact with the world's one percent to know what the majority have experienced about a phenomenon.
CBS Reality is scripted. I know u don't know what that word is. Lol 😆
FxMasterz: Go and sit down! If you cannot engage maturely in debates without insulting people, get off my mentions. I don't debate with retards.
Lol. Scroll back. You called me a liar and then a retard. Meanwhile I haven't called you a name. If I have, show me where. Its like you christians think insults is how you engage folks, and not by conversations. And it frustrates you because your arguments are so flawed and you cannot reply. First DTruthSpeaker, now you Lol 😆
FRANCISTOWN: The problem with them is that they are largely uneducated yet attended school. I read a thread on the front page yesternight where a certain young man who goes by the name darkman decided to take one pastor fufeyin's miracle water to a disabled home to test it's efficacy.
That's not the problem, the problem now is that the water didn't work as expected. But instead for the ignorant mofolistic sheeples to become enlightened and rid themselves of ignorance. They started saying the young man is against christianity.
I've said it, Muhammed was not totally useless for the people of Saudi, because he had a great general called Khalid who helped him conquer for the people of mecca. But you see that Jesus thing. I've never seen anything so useless like that invention.
That's the only invention that has no usefulness in real life.
The rot looms big and large. I was taught logic in my GSS in my first year nearly 30 years ago. It has guided my reasoning since then. I'm sure logic is still taught in universities til now but we breed all sorts of cretards that cannot make a sentence without throwing up a fallacy. And religion has worsened this anti-logic and anti-science stance. Religion thrives in societies that are more educationally and scientifically inept. Unfortunately its gonna remain this way cos our leaders loves them this way
StillDtruth: If you love God and you say you are a Christian then you are not expected to be sleeping. This world is not the place of our rest; our rest is only after this war.
"Peace is always on the other side of war"
Which is why it is only after our fight and death/about to the die that we would hear the sweet sweet voice of our Lord and Saviour when He Says "enter into your rest" as He told Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Aaron etc.
So, as a person who claims you love God, you have a duty to fight for God for ye know and are supposed to know that we are at War
As you can see the devil and his children never sleep and out of the darkness they suddenly strike at you followers of God and at God.
Yet, they say God does not exist.
If he does not exist why do they spend so much time and energy trying to our Lord?
Why would a doctor leave his mefical books to go studying philosophy and logic just so that he can come back to attack christians like this guy who says he is a doctor
Atheist Doctor don turn lawyer and prosecutor! 😆😆😆😆
All these done just to attack God. And they Lie like this one who came to give a fake story of how he slept on a grave "My Experience At The Graveyard by FRANCISTOWN: 9:09pm On Aug 06."
And when you challenge them, then they resort to insults and abuses, ALL FOR GOD WHO.THEY SAY DOES NOT.EXIST
Yet see all.the Lyings amd twistings like a serpent and abusings they devote for a Person they say, does not exist.
No one does that.
So without a doubt, these devils know that God exists, but because they are children of satan, they seek the detruction of the followership of God and their primary mission is to attack Christians as seen here in nairaland!
Not muslims or occultists or traditionalists and even when they do, you can see that they just lightly do it.
But once it is a christian, the fireworks start and their whoole force and armies come forth ready to lie and insalt to death all to see that a christian or churchgoer falls.
And as these devils have confessed, they are willing to die and go to hellfire and be punished by God both here and after life for atheism.
But funny, there are many many christian threads, but almost none wants to die for God which gives an advantage to these devils called atheists.
Yet, many here call themselves christians, posting christian things upandan, but are not ready to lose their life for God.
Verily do i tell ye, The Lord shall deny thee on that Day and what pertaineth to the atheist, shall pertain to thee.
I see your have no defense for my rebuttal, so I'm gonna ignore u
Blakjewelry: Lol see how decided to create an imaginary enemy in your head, same way you see your neighbor as a witch.
He's psychotic. Its called delusion of persecution in psychiatry. Dude is probably schizophrenic and needs a psyche eval. Its a pity mental health is ignored or a taboo in this part of the world, then when the person gets acutely psychotic, they are bundled to the nearest church or mosque
Nice argument. Watched all through. 1.Only problem is he committed a whole truckload of fallacies while putting his point across. A. Fallacy of Appeal to ignorance. The fallacy of appeal to ignorance, also known as the argument from ignorance or burden of proof fallacy, occurs when someone claims a statement is true or false because there is a lack of evidence or information to prove it otherwise. Example god exists because there is no evidence he doesn't exist. The mathematician John Lennox never dropped one shred of evidence about the existence of a god, but shifted the burden of evidence to atheists. B. Fallacy of Appeal to Authority. The appeal to authority fallacy is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone accepts a claim as true because it was made by an authority figure, such as a celebrity, scientist, or expert, regardless of the figure's actual knowledge of the subject. In this case, he was quoting Einstein etc. Even though those authorities aren't even christians and didn't specifically say there is a god, it didn't stop him from using their words to promote his sham. Yet he still didn't provide any evidence C. Fallacy of Appeal to Popularity. The appeal to popularity fallacy, also known as the ad populum fallacy or bandwagon fallacy, is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone claims something is true because many people believe it. This fallacy is problematic because popularity does not necessarily indicate something is true. A claim might be widely accepted because of cultural beliefs, social conformity, or misinformation. Not an evidence of god
2. Throughout his ramble, he was appealing to an unknown entity, which he attributed to a god, and not just any god, but his own personal god. His favorite candy flavor. He blissfully ignored the fact that there are thousands of other gods, who perfectly fits that narrative of an 'omniscient creator' but somehow only his fits the bill, even though he couldn't prove it/he/she/they/etc exists and the others don't.
3. Even if one decides to believe this his favorite god(for the sake of this argument), his only book which contains his instructions to us, is severely flawed in that it is scientifically, historically and logically challenged. It is also strewn with all sorts of errors and contradictions which if one pauses for a moment to reflect, doesn't point an omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent being. So no, with his views, no intelligent and rational person would believe he destroyed atheism. Not by any stretch of the imagination. He in fact, proves blatantly, the ignorance perpetuated by religion.
FxMasterz: I'm old enough to have met a whole lot of people in my life. Atheists live only on Nairaland and in movies. You can't verify my friend's dream just as your fake story is unverifiable.
The beauty of science is that it can be verified anytime and anywhere by anyone. None of the supernatural claims, including ghosts, gods, demons etc can be claimed and they are all subject to embellishments and criticisms. They are all figments of imaginations
FRANCISTOWN: Don't get so worked up. The guy is psychotic. Many people on NL know him. He once went with the moniker DTruthSpeaker, Vaestro and now we have his recent moniker parading his mental disorderliness ass from thread to thread.
His older monikers were banned, but he gets more accounts to spout more rubbish
FRANCISTOWN: Aside the facts that religion depletes people's IQ, are some people naturally dumb?
The gods of science? What nonsense! Science is a body of knowledge and no one is a final authority in science. Everyone is an authority to his discovery which is only a tiny part of science because science keeps evolving.
By the way, the big bang is only a theory. Even science is not 100% sure about that yet. But at least, it makes more sense than the thousands of creationists' stories told to amuse fledglings.
I think many of you christian folks got a very weak background in science, that's why you don't even know how to present a case.
I noticed that the more scientifically deficient a person is, the more religious they become. Because they cannot explain a lot of phenomenon ,they attribute it to the supernatural. Their knowledge gaps are plugged with god.
bobestman: You still need to believe to agree on whatever science try to proof to you. You need to believe before you can agree that something is real. If they tell you that the world came as a result of a big bang, you need to go thru whatever evidence they have. You can then disagree or agree (believe). Everything is subject to belief. If you can't have faith in whatever science brought how can you agree it is true? But you guys don't know that as their are gods of religion so their are gods of science. Science gods don't demand worship. They work through research. When you agree with science, you agree with the god of science. In other words, you worship the god of science
FxMasterz: Retarded atheist, get off my mentions okay?
Exactly. Since u have no explanations or comebacks, u resort to insults. Ignorance is really a problem for theists, and our educational system has bred illiterate literate like you
chido20: Spiritual wife. I use to have the same type of dream till i went to settle the water spirit and since then she stopped coming
What is spiritual about this bullshit? What he has is a normal reaction to low sexual exposure aka conji . Because he hasn't been having sex as regular as he should, or his sex drive is high, his subconscious relieves sexual tension in the dream, thus the ejaculation. The educational system of Nigeria is breeding a lot of literate illiterates. Even graduates believe this spiritual wife and husband bullshit
Timmi: May I suggest that you take time to read Psalm 136 with an open mind to understand and God will reveal what His mercy will do for you and your love ones.
But a quote from that Psalm is reproduced below:
“Who remembered us in our low estate: For his mercy endureth for ever: And hath redeemed us from our enemies: For his mercy endureth for ever. Who giveth food to all flesh: For his mercy endureth for ever.” Psalm 136:23-25 KJV
So going by this verse, Yahweh feeds everyone and saves all his people?
7demons: Read my reply very well: This is a one sided story cos we might not know how it happened when the Waiter came over with the booklet. And If he thought she over did it, you instantly settled the issue there and then! cos it's a love date. That's why I said most of you people here are kids, You don't reason with your 6th! Besides how would you invite someone one a Date to a resto and you expect them to sit idle? So you brought me out of my house to be looking at your face??
People go to restaurants to chat. Haven't u seen them?
Christianity Etc › Re: Oxford Mathematician Destroys Atheism In Less Than 15 Minutes by jaephoenix(m): 12:32pm On Aug 10, 2024
