sagenaija: [size=6pt][/size] Janosky, You're a JOKER. You prefer fluttering around from one thing to another. No focus. Did you see the questions I asked? And understand them? I guess not.
Why do you type GIBBERISH? Who gave you, Sagenaija your Father's name you bear? You are definitely not interested in the Bible truth.
Matthew28:18, Jesus told Sagenaija, "ALL authority have been given to me in heaven and on earth". The man is still stuck on Revelation 22:16 as if Jesus is equal to God his Father. Revelation 3:12 & Colossians 1:15 no dey him Bible. He continues to WAIL upandan .
MightySparrow: Janosky! You are just cutand paste person. I don't want to respond to your posts.
These Scriptures dey pain you? 1 Corinthians 8:6, JEHOVAH God created ALL things. Colossians 1:15 Jesus the first born of every creature" Genesis 49:3 Reuben the first born of every child of Jacob.
MightySparrow: Anyways, Jesus created all else with his word or he is the word through which all things were created.
With what did God create Jesus? I like direct answers. Direct answers. Direct answers.
Yahweh spoke the spirit entity Jesus into existence in the spiritual realm. In the same way Yahweh spoke light into existence "Let there be light"
sagenaija: [size=6pt][/size] 1. Janosky fails to understand that the humanity of Christ and his pre-exitent nature need to be put into consideration in interpretation. (Reread this. A word is enough for the 'wise').
Then Jesus said to them, “Why is it said that the Messiah is the son of David? David himself declares in the Book of Psalms: “ ‘The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.” ’ David calls him ‘Lord.’ How then can he be his son?” Luke 20:41-44 NIV
2 questions for Sagenaija: "Sit at my right hand"? Who gives this command? In heaven,Who obeys that command? Your preexisting deity in heaven dey obey command. Sagenaija,are you ready to receive SENSE?
sagenaija: 2. You like running from pillar to post because you want to convince yourself against the truth that your preconceived position is the right one. So, for example, if you are shown that Jesus was called God with the statement "My Lord and my God" you will look for how to make the 'God' in that statement mean something else. You would have said it was 'Lord' but because 'Lord' is already there you will look for another word just to make it conform to your position. Your references to Lexicon, Hebrew, etc are all to obscure things. We can see through you.
John 20:28 did your Trinity mentors put an exclamation mark (!) in that verse? When you, [b]Sagenaija says "Oh my God", are you referring to your God? You don't want to face the Bible truth Is English the original language of the Bible? Go to the Hebrew and Greek lexicon of the Bible's original language and run away from Trinity GIBBERISH [/b]
sagenaija: In Genesis 26:26 we have: Then Abimelech went to him from Gerar, and Ahuzzath one of his friends, and Phichol the chief captain of his army. The 'one of' in that verse must mean that Ahuzzath was his 'senior' friend or 'first' friend by your logic. Interesting!
Your claim is FALSE! @ Genesis 26:26 (screenshot),no Hebrew lexicon 259 meaning "one of" Trinity GIBBERISH is synonymous with fraudulent claims.
sagenaija: Or this: Genesis 25:23 And the Lord said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger. So, 'the one people' here should be interpreted to mean 'the first' or 'the Senior', according to your logic. You should begin to see through your facade.
Shame on you. Is Hebrew lexicon 3816 "Community/people" (screenshot) the same as Hebrew lexicon 259 "One of"? Capital no !!! Trinity GIBBERISH synonymous with Fraud
sagenaija: 3. So, when in Revelation 5 the four living creatures and the 24 elders fell before the Lamb it was not worship? And all that is said and done elsewhere in that chapter to the Lamb is not worship? Only a show of respect?
Are you saying that you can go through the book of Revelation and still go away with the thinking that the Lamb is not worshipped?
Bishop Kingsley your Trinitarian devotees on this forum on 16th September 2021 @9:21pm proven your claim is FALSE. Why is the same ghost giving Sagenaija & BishopKingsley conflicting revelations?
sagenaija: 4. Again, your translation of John 1: 3 says "All things came into existence through him, (i.e. Jesus) and apart from him NOT EVEN ONE THING came into existence". But you are not explaining that verse! Instead you keep running elsewhere to attempt to convince yourself that the position you hold is it! Your translation says NOT EVEN ONE THING came into existence apart from Jesus! Are you denying your translation? You need to deal with that!
Hebrews 1:2 "God made the universe through His Son" Sagenaija, What is left out of Hebrews 1:2 that is not in John 1:3? 1 Corinthians 8:6, God the Father created everything" and Christ THROUGH whom all things are"
What is left out of 1 Corinthians 8:6 that is not in John 1:3? Las las Jesus is NEVER the creator. Colossians 1:15 dey pain una too much. Continue WAILING
sagenaija: Can you explain what you mean by the HIGHLIGHTED? Does the 'image' of God include omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence for example?
Btw, I hope you got what I pointed out that the "other" inserted in colossians in your NW translation is not in John 1:3
Is this not Hypocrisy of Sagenaija? Wetin "himself" dey do in your John 1:1?
sagenaija: Your NW translation of John 1: 3 says "All things came into existence through him, (i.e. Jesus) and apart from him NOT EVEN ONE THING came into existence". "All things" means ALL THINGS doesn't it? "Not even one thing" has been added for EMPHASIS by the Holy Spirit's inspiration to leave NO ONE in doubt as to what is being communicated here.
John 1:3 & Colossians 1:16,Jesus is an agent/medium/ "Through him" the Creative work was done by his Father. Hebrews 1:2 and 1 Corinthians8:6,is Jesus the Creator? Capital no !
sagenaija: Not even Archangel Michael (who is included in 'All things') came into existence without Jesus.
You had to use a DUBIOUS verse of KJV Genesis 26:26. Hebrew lexicon 259 "One of" is NEVER in the genuine version of Genesis 26:26. Trinitarian devotees & TWISTING na 5&6.
sagenaija: In other words, the emphasis on Jesus being the uncaused cause of all that have been created is unmistakable here: don't you think?
Colossians 1:15 has NEVER been erased from your Bible. Exercise your right to console yourself.
sagenaija: [/size] MaxinDHouse, now you are being deceitful here. The highlighted portion in your post was not referring to Adam, was it? Is there any reference to Adam in the John 1 portion I have been highlighting or in the Colossians cross-referrenced?
Yes ! Colossians 1:14 Christ is in the image of his Father. As Adam is in the image of God his Father. Genesis 1:26-27.
sagenaija: [size=6pt] You should understand that your consistent refusal to look at the passage and see it for what it says is a sign of dishonesty and a DISREGARD for Jehovah.
Secondly, you are deliberately not considering the context.
Which context? Are you considering the context of Gen 49:3 & Colossians 1:15, giving the same meaning of first born?
sagenaija: This is the issue: 1. In the first place was the Word. The Word was with God the Father, and the Word was himself God.
Wetin "himself" find come John 1:1 manuscript?
sagenaija: 2. Through the Word all things were created.
Your NW translation of John 1: 3 says "All things came into existence through him, (i.e. Jesus) and apart from him NOT EVEN ONE THING came into existence".
Hebrews 1:2 "God made the universe through His Son" Simple as ABC.
sagenaija: The only true and simple explanation of this is that the pre-exitent one (the first and the last - Rev. 22:13) is the uncaused cause of ALL creation. Is the 'first and the last' a created being? Do you remember from our previous discuss that the 'first and the last' is also in Isaiah 48? And you know his identity in Revelation 22? Would you want to separate the two?
Matthew 28:18 & John 17:7, is the scale falling off your eyes? ALL authority "first & last" given to your deity , Jesus,the first Creature by his Father in heaven. Your Bible, Colossians 1:15, says Jesus is a Creature
MaxInDHouse: When God created Adam and Eve only these two were here and it's through these two that all of us came into existence today there were no bicycles, cars, boats, aeroplane, helicopters, phones, televisions, computers and so many things we have today. All these things came into existence through humans, no animal has ever made any advancement in technology, WHY? Because only human was created in the image of the Maker so they can't make anything. So God created one creature in His image and this creature is responsible for all other creatures. That's the import of what you're quoting!
Through /Greek "DIA", this Greek word should reset his brain if he's honest.
MaxInDHouse: The word "FIRST" come to mind when we are talking about the beginning of something, Paul identified Jesus as the FIRST BORN of all creation just as Adam was the FIRST BORN of all humans. Paul even liken Jesus to Adam because both of them are the beginning of something, Jesus the beginning of God's work as an intelligent being in the spirit realms, Adam is the beginning of God's work as an intelligent being in the physical realms.
So there's nothing that can equate the created with the Almighty God who is the uncaused CAUSE, Jesus has a beginning but JEHOVAH has no beginning!
sagenaija: See this: “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.” Revelation 22:16 NIV Does it agree with your bolder above?
Revelation 1:1,his Father's angel,led by Jesus their leader..
That a child says "my Nanny," mean he owns the Nanny? Use your brain, Sagenaija!! Open your heart and eyes to see that @ Job38:7 & Revelation 22:16, Jesus is a bright morning Star, a creature of his Father. .
[quote author=Nothingserious post=107461161][/quote]For clarity,You don't have to post your answers into my post. #1 Luke 24:4,23, the two men called were angels. John 20:12 they disappeared when Magdalene recognised Jesus.
#2 & #3
divine adjective divine adjective (GOD-LIKE) connected with a god, or like a god: Source: www.cambridge.dictionary. Jesus the word is a god/godlike= John10:34-36, son of God, Jesus is a god.
Phil 2:7, John 17:5 "Father glorify me at your side with the glory I had before creation of the world"
John 17:5 Jesus says his glory was in the spirit realm not as a man. John 17:5, will flesh and blood be at the Father's side in heaven? No, not at all. Jesus resurrected as a spirit and appeared to his disciples the way angels were called men @Luke 24:4.
#4 Luke 24:4,23 & Mark 16:5,did angels called men? Yes. Did the angels appear & disappear as Jesus did to be seen @1 Corinthians15:2-5 & John 20:12,19,26? Yes. Did Paul says Jesus is a life giving spirit after his resurrection @1 Corinthians 15:2-5,45?
FalseProphet1: Just be faithful in your tithes, that's all that matters to the pastor in this Buhari era, joing group isn't so important cos if you don't join another person will, but if you don't pay your tithes, the monthly target reduces and the pastor might loose his job.
MightySparrow: If the allegation is true, and evading tax is a serious offence, the government should take action. Late Pastor. David Yonggi Cho, got imprisoned for financial scam, even after retirement.
If our government would not take action, why weeping here on Nairaland? My Papa has not been interrogated by EFCC. Why the silence? Note: this man is an unrepentant critic of this Administration. So?
Your "Papa" fleece you dey Store una "treasures" inside him secret offshore tax havens, yet your name no dey any of the account.
He climbs pulpit and tells Sparrow to store treasure in heaven,who is fooling who?
hupernikao: You argue in confusion. Go and read the OP again and my first comment. You will see how much you are contradicting yourself and the very OP you are supporting. You are only confirming my stand with everything you write.
hupernikao:
So your own study confirmed that ancient Hebrew had the letter J. You may need to speak with your other folks, they will correct your wrong premise.
God never said Jehovah, the word never exist in Hebrew language.if I am to go with your premise of corrupting what God said.He never said Jehovah. You changed what he said to Jehovah. . . Why not leave what he said there since changing his name had corrupted the meaning. You just did that now.
He never referred to himself as Jehovah
Janosky asks hupernikao: "Did the one you call "Jesus", refer to himself as 'Jesus'?" Hupernikao, Carry your GIBBERISH outta this forum. .
sagenaija: [size=6pt][/size] Janosky, Can you see that you are unable to answer questions in a straightforward way?
That is because you are running away from reality.
I have an active life offline,I have responded to your post. Go back there and confirm, please. So, what is your problem?
sagenaija: Did Col. 1 say: "He is before all things, and in him all things hold together." Colossians 1:17 NIV What is your understanding of the second portion of that verse - ".....and in him all things hold together."?
Is John 17:7 now missing from your Bible?
sagenaija: Did Hebrews 1 say "So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs. Hebrews 1:4 NIV What does "much superior to the angels" mean?
What's your understanding of "he INHERITED" @ Hebrews 1:4? Hebrews 1:6 "God brings His first born into the world" Jesus is First born in heaven, are you willing to receive SENSE?
sagenaija: Hebrews says God NEVER said to ANY angel "My Son". Janosky does not believe that.
Is this expression in the Hebrew testament, Psalms 2:7, "You are my Son; Today I have become your Father" copied @ Hebrews 1:5? Yes! Hebrew son of God= bene Elohim/angel.
sagenaija: "One of" means one out of or amongst others. "The one" used by you about Lamech's wives mean one of the two wives because it was earlier stated that Lamech took two wives. This agrees with my position that Daniel 10:13b is talking about Michael being one amongst angels of equal ranking. You end up proving my point. Don't you see it? There are other angels in the same rank as Michael so, NOTHING makes him UNIQUE! .
Sagenaija dey console yourself In 3 instances in the Hebrew testament, the expression [b]"The One/One of" @ Daniel 10:13, Genesis 4:19 & one other verse, meaning the first/Senior. In pidgin we go say "the first/Senior wife" to reference Ada @ Genesis 4:19.[/b] Every Hebrew lexicon is numbered. Start from there & stop DECEIVING yourself. Sagenaija,go & learn!
Trinity GIBBERISH is meant for the Dustbin
sagenaija: Did they worship the Lamb in Revelation 5? The answer is 'Yes!' But janosky would prefer to ignore where the Bible said they worshipped. He would rather use the lenses of his DOGMA to answer a simple question. .
Bishop Kingsley copying your Trinity mentors have rejected & DISPROVEN your claim in this screenshot. Revelation 5:13-14, worship is NOT for Jesus. Bishop Kingsley on 16th September,2021 @9:21pm: ".... Revelation 5:14... Is rendered worship because it does NOT refer to Jesus" Wahala for Trinity GIBBERISH. Argue with your fellow Trinitarian devotees.
sagenaija: Your translation of John 1: 3 says "All things came into existence through him, (i.e. Jesus) and apart from him NOT EVEN ONE THING came into existence". But janosky has conveniently refused to comment on that verse. Instead he runs to another verse that was not mentioned. He wants to be 'smart' i.e. cunning. If you are man enough why not tell us what John 1:3 says without running to any other place to cover up your 'fraud'.
@ John 1:3 , Colossians 1:16, & 1 Corint 8:6, is the Greek word "DIA antou" THROUGH him" ( agent/medium/"by means of" written there in the Greek manuscript? Colossians 1:15 Jesus is a creature. 1 Corinthians 8:6 & Romans 11:35-36, God his Father is the Creator is 'Fraud' to this Polytheist 3 persons deities worshipper . 3 Idol doghead Polytheist continue WAILING.
sagenaija: When Jesus, in John 17:11 and other parts of the chapter was asking the Father to do things, that must make the Father his agent too ie. as a subordinate, if we are to use your 'logic'.
Sagenaija,you have exposed yourself again. John 17:1,11,"Holy Father,Them you have GIVEN me." Your Trinity mentors already knew Jesus was begging his Superior. Hebrews 8:1 & Psalms 110:1, which High Priest is superior to his God in heaven? Psalms 110:1, "Sit at my right hand" is a command. Hebrews 8:1,who is obeying that command?
sagenaija: When angels spoke in the book of Revelation was it God directly speaking?
Revelation 1:1 says receive SENSE
sagenaija: I want to believe that you agreed with my other points. Maybe you didn't want to humbly accept so or admit it. Or maybe you simply ran for cover.
Sagenaija,exercise your right to console yourself.
sagenaija: [/size] 1. Janosky, Can a creature uphold all things by the word of his power?
John 17:7 "Now they know that everything I have is a gift from you" Colossians 1:15 did your own Bible call Jesus a creation/creature? Is John 17:17 & Colossians 1:15 in your Bible?
sagenaija: [size=6pt] 2. You are the one missing not just one thing but several. Read Hebrews 1:4 in context.
Hebrews 1:4 Jesus INHERITED a name superior to that of angels." John 17:7 & Hebrews 1:4 , Who gave Jesus that superior name? Sagenaija , John 17:7 Jesus says, will you receive SENSE?
sagenaija: [size=6pt][/size] 3. Another vital point you missed on Hebrews 1:5 is this: God NEVER said to ANY angel you are 'My Son'. Remember that the Father addressed Jesus as 'Son' at his baptism and the transfiguration. Does that mean anything to you?
How you came to the convoluted "Jesus Christ is his Father's angel= son of God. Biblical Fact." only you can tell but it is not in that portion of Scripture.
In Hebrew testament "Son of God"=angel. Is Hebrews 1:4 lifted from Hebrew testament, Psalms 89:26? Job 1:6, Job 2:1, Job 38:7 go and receive tutorials from your Trinity mentors who translate your Bible, "sons of God"= angels. Son of God= angel= Jesus..
sagenaija: 4. Again, and it bears repeating, Daniel 10:13 in your translation puts Daniel 10:13b as follows - ".... But then Michael, one of the foremost princes, ..."
Did you see 'one of' in that portion? 'One of' means there are others who are in the class of 'foremost princes'. How did 'one of' become 'Jesus Christ is the archangel meaning Leader of all angels.' Only janosky's warped thinking can come to that conclusion. Nothing there is talking about 'the' Archangel. It says 'one of'. Isn't that clear enough for you, even from your own translation? .
Hebrew language is NOT English ooo! Genesis 4:19 Lamech took 2 wives. Tne name of the One was Ada and the second was Zillah"
"One of/the One " meaning "the first"/the most Senior @ Daniel 10:13 & Genesis 4:19. Sagenaija, you can't change Hebrew lexicon interpretation,of Daniel 10:13 & Genesis 4:19, you dey hear? Your other option is WAILING
sagenaija: 5. Must you be spoon fed to grasp simple truths? Ok, I see your problem: it's your indoctrination. Now, look at Revelation 5. Note verse 14. Is there worship there? Then go back a little to verse 13. Is the Lamb there? Is he linked with the Father? Then go again and read the entire chapter and then move from there to chapter 7. Are your eyes clear now? .
Una dey see this Polytheist 3 persons worshipper? According to your Bible, John 20:17 & Rev3:12, did Jesus worship 3 persons? Matthew 4:10 , John 4:23-24, are you obeying Jesus Christ? In screenshot,Bishop Kingsley (copying your Trinity mentors) says @ Revelation 5:13-14, worship is NOT for Jesus Read that screenshot , your Trinitarian mentors says you're LYING .
sagenaija: 6. You were quick to pick on the wrongly mentioned verse of John 1. Had you looked at it from the beginning of the paragraph you should have seen that it was John 1:3 that was in view. .
Stay humble and admit your mistake. You are responsible for whatever you post on this forum.
sagenaija: JW's adjusted Col. 1:16 to read that he created "other" things but that claim falls apart based on John's statement here. Your guys forgot to add "other" to the 'all things' here in John 1:3 to adjust the translation to your doctrinal leaning. Your translation of John 1: 3 says "All things came into existence through him, (i.e. Jesus) and apart from him NOT EVEN ONE THING came into existence". .
1 Corinthians 8:6 & Ephesians 3:14-15,Who created ALL things? Question for you: Did you see Greek word "DIA antou" @ John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, 1 Corinthians 8:6? "DIA antou"= THROUGH him", Jesus,an agent working for his Father. Colossians 1:15 Jesus is a creature. You have the option of WAILING
sagenaija: 7. You failed to show how the archangel's voice in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 translates into Jesus being an Archangel. .
John 5:28 & 1 Thessalonians 4:16, whose voice? Jesus voice Would Jesus and Paul lie ? No !
sagenaija: 8. On JWS claim that 'the man Jesus is dead; for ever dead' maybe you should consult Prophet GOOGLE (Peace be upon him) to help you out. Then you'll see that Sagenaija is not LYING against JWs and making FALSE claim. .
1 Peter 3:18 "Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones", he was put to death in the physical realm but raised to life in the spiritual realm."
sagenaija: 8b. The seven churches in Revelation were 7 separate congregations with 7 different heads. .
Which chapter and verse? Rather,they were 7 congregations in 7 different cities led by the Council in Jerusalem, Acts of the Apostles, take your time to study it thoroughly.
sagenaija: 9. Where did Hebrews 13:7,17, say that "obedience to the 'faithful slaves' will determine your salvation"? Is the source of salvation obedience to your leaders or faith in the finished work of Christ? Please reset your brain.
Who spoke the words @ Matthew 24:45-47?
Who gave you that instructions at Hebrews 13:7,17? Acts 9:4-6,Who converted him?
elated177: So this is why your group concluded that he is/was an angel. There is one God Almighty. He has his Word. His Word is part of him and he is part of his Word. The Father and his Son are one. The Word of God Almighty is God Almighty. He cannot be anything else. If you cannot comprehend this, it is not my fault.
Revelation 19:13 & John 1:1 "the Word," Jesus,a spirit in heaven.
John 17:17 ".... Your word (that is,his Father's word,the entire holy scriptures) is truth, Romans 15:4.
"His" is NOT in John 1:1 & Revelation19:13 .
[b]Revelation 3:12, Jesus in heaven worships his God. Jesus says himself is NOT Almighty God, John 20:17, John 14:28.
Please study the holy scriptures and DON'T ADD your own, biko. Shalom. [/b]
elated177: Mark 12: 29 “This is the most important,” Yahushua answered: Listen, Israel! YHVH our God, YHVH is One. 30 Love YHVH your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength. 31 “The second is: Love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other command greater than these.”
Luke 18: 18 A ruler asked Him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 19 “Why do you call Me good?” Yahushua asked him. “No one is good but One—God. 20 You know the commandments: Do not commit adultery; do not murder; do not steal; do not bear false witness; honor your father and mother.” 21 “I have kept all these from my youth,” he said. 22 When Yahushua heard this, He told him, “You still lack one thing: Sell all that you have and distribute it to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.”
John 6:53 So Yahushua said to them, “I assure you: Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you do not have life in yourselves. 54 Anyone who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day, 55 because My flesh is real food and My blood is real drink. 56 The one who eats My flesh and drinks My blood lives in Me, and I in him.
John 5: 39 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
The Ten Commandments of YHVH Almighty constitute life and obedience to them is the only way to Eternal Life in his Kingdom. Yahushua the Messiah, his begotten Son, is the embodiment of the Ten Commandments.
John 14: 6 Yahushua answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really know me, you will know[b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”
Deut 32: 46 he said to them, “Take to heart all the words I have solemnly declared to you this day, so that you may command your children to obey carefully all the words of this law. 47 They are not just idle words for you— THEY ARE YOUR LIFE. By them you will live long in the land you are crossing the Jordan to possess.”
John 6: 33 For the BREAD of YHVH is the bread that comes down from heaven and GIVES LIFE to the world.” 34 “Sir,” they said, “always give us this BREAD.” 35 YAHUSHUA declared, “I AM the BREAD of LIFE. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.
The answer is clear.
You can see that Deuteronomy 32:46 and Yehoshua 1:8 references the same thing.
My 2 questions: Did YHVH give YAHUSHUA to the Israelites @ Deuteronomy 32:46?
Is YAHUSHUA "All the words" YHVH gave to the Israelites?
sagenaija: [size=6pt][/size] This is what I wrote a couple of months ago in response to your insistence on 'group that's practicing Christianity in the right sense':
Numbers 6:27,Hebrews 11:26 Moses chose to be with the People/Group bearing Jehovah's name. Acts 15:14,17-18, it is Jehovah's servants converted by Jesus, John 9:4/ Acts3:13 & others converted by them, Hebrews 13:7,17. Isaiah 43:10,21, Jehovah calls them by His name, JEHOVAH's Witnesses. Revelations 1:1 & Isaiah 43:10(ASV), are the seven Congregations or 7 Churches Jehovah's witnesses? Study this scriptures thoroughly & receive SENSE
Yes nau. 3 Idol doghead deities are with you and your gods of men. The one true God, JEHOVAH is with His people, chosen and called by His name. Numbers 6:27,2 Chronicles 7:14,Acts15:14,17-18.
Emusan: So they have it! Yet you say this "...its the interpreters that fail to put it in translation claiming it too holy for us to call that name"
The name was even used in many Hymn, how come?
Could it be that you're lying or you are confused?
Your name is in your own book @ 7000 places, & you saw it in only 4 place. In 6996 places your name was removed & replaced with a title, would you endorse it? Dishonest LIENUS
MightySparrow: Continue in your delusion. My Papa has not been interrogated by EFCC. Why the silence? Continue to live in your abysmal ignorance and praise yourself.
How many of your country men indicted in that secret offshore tax havens scandal have been interrogated?
Nothingserious: “But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they beheld a spirit.
And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and wherefore do questionings arise in your heart?
See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see;
for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye behold me having. And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet.
And while they still disbelieved for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here anything to eat? And he took it, and ate before them.” Luke 24:37-41, 43 ASV https://www.bible.com/12/luk.24.37-41,43.asv
“not to all the people, but unto witnesses that were chosen before of God, even to us, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead.” Acts 10:41 ASV https://www.bible.com/12/act.10.41.asv
“And behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and took hold of his feet, and worshipped him.” Matthew 28:9 ASV https://www.bible.com/12/mat.28.9.asv
4 Questions for you: Luke 24:4 are the two men humans?
John 17:5 & Phil 2:7 did Jesus have that glory as a man?
John 17:24, will Jesus be given back the glory as a man?
Luke 24:25 & Phil 2:9-10,will Jesus enter the glory as a man?
Nothingserious: Thank you for your time too. Like I said, the burden of proof shifts to you to show us beyond reasonable doubt why you think Jesus did not resurrect in his physical body contrary to the Bible accounts. The accounts showed he specifically told them he wasn’t a spirit and that he could be felt, he ate with them, he appeared to many and they didn’t have group hallucinations which is not possible. And the witnesses testified they saw him.
When a person appears & disappears before your very eyes, is that one a human?
Genesis 18:5-8, who ate with Abraham? Where they men or spirits?
Mark 16:5, who was the young man at the tomb?
Nothingserious: We are not discussing his divinity. He was divine of course. But the Bible specifically recorded that he was physically seen after resurrection and was recognized by some of his disciples.
Leverage2021: I was having a debate on front page with some one with a low iq then came you with no iq at all
Keep laughing at your emptiness
Why do you mock yourself?
2 Chronicles 24:17 [/b]However, after Jehoiada died, the rulers of Judah came and [b]paid homage to the king. [/b]Then the king listened to them, [b]2 Chronicles 24:17, is the king a son of God?
Esther 3:2 The entire royal staff at the King’s Gate bowed down and paid homage to Haman, because the king had commanded this to be done for him. But Mordecai would not bow down or pay homage. Esther 3:2 Is Haman a son of God?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kox1QCcaAsc 1. On JW's claim of Jesus being an angelic being. Hebrews 1 refutes the claim that Jesus is an angelic being. In Heb. 1 v. 3 we have that Jesus is the "exact representation" of God's nature. Exact means exact. Nothing less. In the same verse we are told that Jesus "upholds all things by the word of his power ". It takes omnipotence to uphold ALL THINGS at the same time. A creature is incapable of such power. .
Is sagenaija an exact representation of his own Father's nature?
Genesis 1:27 and Matthew 19:4-6, is man the exact representation of God's image & likeness?
Even Jesus Christ exists in the image of God. Man , Angels, Jesus "the first born of every creature",all exists in the image of God. Sagenaija dey DECEIVE himself.
sagenaija: In v.4 Jesus's Superiority Over Angels is shown with the statement that Jesus is "MUCH SUPERIOR to angels" "So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs." Hebrews 1:4 NIV We see here that Jesus is superior, in quality and position, to the angels. .
You are missing something here, Sagenaija. Hebrews 1:4, "Jesus INHERITED" a name superior to theirs. INHERITANCE is a gift oooo ! Would Jesus INHERIT what he already owns? No, NOT at all. The Giver of the INHERITANCE is Supreme over Jesus & the angels.
Trinity robbed your SENSE.
sagenaija: When we are told in Hebrews 1:5 "For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”? Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son”? That rhetoric question makes us come to only one conclusion: God never said that to ANY angel.
[b]Again,Sagenaija is missing another vital point. Is Hebrews 1:5 lifted from the old testament? The answer is yes! In the old testament, Job 1:6, Job2:1, Psalms 89:26 (NIV),what is the meaning of "Son(s) of God"? Answer: Angel(s).
@ Hebrews 1:6, is God saying that Angels are not His Son? No ! Therefore, according to Hebrew meaning of Job 1:6 & Psalms 89:26 copied @Hebrew 1:6, Jesus Christ is his Father's angel= son of God. Biblical Fact.
sagenaija: CLEARLY the book of Hebrews emphasizes the superiority of Jesus over ALL angels[/b]. No matter the class or ranking of the angel.
Yes ! Matthew 25:31, 2 Thess 1:7 & 1 Thess4:16, did your Bible confirm Jesus the leader of all angels? Yes!
Daniel 10:13 is very correct, Jesus Christ is the archangel meaning Leader of all angels. Genesis 16:7, Malachi 3:1,Amplified Bible & Geneva Bible,did your Trinitarian devotees & Bible Translators confirm Jesus Christ is an angel?
sagenaija: In v.6 we see that all the angels of God are to worship him. No elect angel gets or accepts the worship of any other created being. But we see here angels themselves worshiping one who is obviously superior to them.
Hebrews 1:6 Complete Jerusalem Bible, "pay homage, your Trinitarian mentors, the Catholic church Bible said so Homage is NOT worship. Matthew 4:4 & John 4:23-24, Jesus says continue your disobedience
sagenaija: JWs are yet to show how the worship of God and the Lamb in portions like Revelation 7 agree with their own interpretation of obeisance to Jesus rather than direct worship of him. It is clear here that BOTH God and the Lamb are the focus of the worship by the heavenly crowd. Nothing here says that one is being worshipped while the other is simply 'respected'.
Sagenaija,You are TWISTING the scriptures. Revelation chapter 7 NEVER said that. Is Revelation 3:12 in your Bible? Revelation 3:12 & John 20:17,Who does Jesus worship in heaven? Continue your disobedience to Jesus Christ @ John 4:23-24 & Matthew 4:4. Polytheist devotee DECEIVING himself !
sagenaija: In v.10 we see a clear rebuttal of JW's claim that Jesus was first created and then created other things. We are told here: "And, you LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth. And the heavens are the works of your hands"
Who laid the foundation & is speaking at Job 38:1-7 Isaiah 44:24? Job 38:7 is Jesus among the sons with Him? 1 Corinthians 8:6, John 5:26 who created ALL things? John 5:26, who gave life to his son? Revelation 2:27 & John 5:26,is the Giver of life the Father of his son in the spiritual realm?
sagenaija: Linking this to John 1:3 where we are told that: "All things came into being through him, and apart from him nothing came into being that has come into being" we see that JW's claim that he was first created is again busted here. If NOTHING came into being apart from Jesus it means he was UNCREATED.
All things came into being through Jesus. Emphasis on Greek word "Dia/ "THROUGH" @ Colossians 1:16,John 1:3 & 1 Corinthians 8:6 your Bible says you are grasping at straws. Jesus is a creature NOT the Father of ALL. Ephesians 3:14-15, Ephesians 4:6 & Romans 11:35-36, kiss the truth.
sagenaija: JW's attempt to adjust Col. 1:16 to read that he created "other" things fall apart based on John's statement here. They forgot to add "other" to the 'all things' here in John 1:16 to adjust the translation to their doctrinal leaning. .
Did Jesus create his own Father? Sagenaija bring evidence chapter & verse. "other things" @ Colossians 1:16 excludes his Father. Biblical Fact and clarity. Please continue WAILING
When you Sagenaija copy GIBBERISH from your Trinity mentors you type GIBBERISH. John 1:16 "For we all received from his fullness, even undeserved kindness upon undeserved kindness" Where you copy your John 1:16 GIBBERISH? Your bigotry no good at all !!!
sagenaija: 2. On JW's misuse of 1 Thessalonians 4:16 JW's claim that because that portion states that Jesus will "descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel" then it means he is an archangel. [s]If we are to follow their logic, does it then mean that the second part of the verse which states "with the trumpet call" makes Jesus a trumpet? Of course the answer is: No! But JW's logic would mean that if the first part makes him an archangel then he should also be a trumpet[/s]. .
John 5:28, Sagenaija whose voice resurrects the dead? John 5:28 & 1 Thess4:16, are you ready to stick to the scriptures?
sagenaija: 3. On claim that Jesus did not rise bodily but with a 'spirit body'.
1 Corinthians 15:50, do flesh & blood live in heaven? Acts 9:4-6, why did Saul not see Jesus talking to him? John 20:11-13, where is Jesus when Mary Magdalene had this conversation with the 2 men? Bigotry taken over your SENSE of reasoning.
sagenaija: JWS claim that 'the man Jesus is dead; for ever dead'. This contradicts 1 Corinthians 15: 15-20 which clearly says he has indeed been raised from the dead.
Sagenaija is LYING against JWs and making FALSE claim. Tueh !
sagenaija: In the Gospel when Jesus asks Thomas to touch touch him he referred to his nail pierced hands and the spear pierced side. This means that it is the same body as was on the cross. In Luke 24 when Jesus appeared to his disciples 'He said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? Look at my hands and feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have". He showed them his hands and feet. He referred to himself as flesh and bones. His physical body did not simply disappear or disintegrate in the tomb. .
Sagenaija is LYING. 1 Peter 3:18 Jesus Christ made alive in the spiritual realm". Peter is an eye Witness. Sagenaija,continue DECEIVING yourself.
John 20:11-16, why is Mary Magdalene unable to recognise the same body she has known for many years? Where was Jesus in John 20:11-14, where she was at the tomb?
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sagenaija: 4. On means of salvation by JWS JW teaching about salvation rests on following the GB. JWS believe "obedience to the 'faithful slaves' will determine your salvation" [s]So, the true freedom and peace which comes from the gospel of grace in Christ Jesus is absent with the JW[/s].
Hebrews 13:7,17, Bible truth reset your brain. Polytheist devotee.
Myer: Even God seems to have refuted "Jehovah's witness organisation".
I've never met a successful JW. Mention one except the founder.
Also when you go to a JW fellowship all you hear is how they are being persecuted. Because they are just too stubborn. And we know stubbornness is a sin as witchcraft. 1 Sam 15:23
Persecution is their pride. Your founder obviously has brainwashed you with his minsterpretation of Persecution. Yes true Christians experience Persecution in the name of Christ. But it's not every Persecution that makes you a Christian. Otherwise even criminals are being persecuted, does that make them Christians? When you disobey the laws of any land, you will be persecuted. And we know that God instituted authorities in every Land.
The action refuting is not that you don't preach the Bible. It is your misinsterpretation of the Bible.
For starters you have your own adulterated version of the Bible. Which you impose on yoru members.
You have also managed to completely blot out every part of the new testament that speaks on the works of the Holyspirit.
Jesus Christ whom you serve taught that he would send send Holyspirit and he highlighted the works of the Holyspirit. Also the apostles. But all these you have denied as you claim that spiritual gifts have expired.
I wish I could slap you to reality but as long as you worship there you will be blinded by the brainwashing. And the worst part is the psychological effect of not wanting to risk losing everything you have worked for. So you keep deceiving yourself even when you know the truth that most of JW teachings are wrong.
This stupidity is very luminous. Continue typing GIBBERISH
achorladey: To really show his pain he add to use the word STUPID, WAILINGS to buttress his point.
Achorladey is too daft to understand the point I'm making. He will read your post & type GIBBERISH, that is why his official name is "Daddy,Baba Mii". His Father's name is NOT important.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Refuted by Janosky: 11:45am On Nov 11, 2021
written there in the Greek manuscript?
