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sagenaija:
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Let me be clear again, and it's not to offend you: you're inarticulate, flutter around from one thing to another, and generally act as if you are comedian. So, it's hard to really follow your line of thought.

You leave posts addressed to you and jump into some other person's without going back to see the flow of things or the progression. Your general attitude makes it hard for co-discussants and I want to believe other readers to take you seriously.

greatiyk4u:
Arr the two not Bible believing?

ogwuche4u:
Will a Christ like person speak in these manner? Obviously, you are not different from those you chastise

femi4:
Some Churches are not worthy at all cos they don't follow Bible doctrines. Marriage is about AGREEMENT on anything and everything. No love would survive without AGREEMENT. Hence, Church denomination is important. A Bible believing Christian has no business with Catholic and Jehovah witness

achorladey:
Another confirmation but na EXJWS dey commit suicide according to one of your brother and una always dey believe no one leaves the organization and do anything worthwhile outside of the organisation.

The gleeful just dey make laugh.

achorladey:
Yippeedaniel post was not about TRIUNE DEITIES SLAVES and MINISTERS. .

Atleast the confirmation is in place. They are not LIES or WAILINGS.

Learn

Emusan:
For him to even claim that he never heard about JWs suicide shows how they can lie in broad daylight.

achorladey:
Baba calm down. You don dey boil. As you dey boil so you dey confirm our position as being true and not LIES or LYING. Here is why.....

achorladey:
We know it is not primarily set up for Jehovah’s witnesses but thanks for establishing the TIES that BINDS . You can see from that statement of yours, we are not LYING or WAILING like you always want to force into us

achorladey:
No be today I go lost you inside that post. I am not talking about ARCHAIC IDEAS HERE. No dey bring one line dictionary meaning to my post. Na you dey go about with all the SENSE wey NAIRALAND get. You go lost inside that post. Oga Janosky do better than this.

achorladey:
Since I am not making sense with my post. You don't need to start giving me the below
to say some people in the Bible made wrong predictions and added by saying I carry your religious organization matters like gala.

achorladey:
Abi oooo.

Those kind videos no dey enter their library or video section for their website and apps[/b]. Jollywood no dey produce those kind videos.

Members [b]hardly know around this part paapaa about what really happened concerning child abuse cases in Australia. You will never see it in their news update that sometimes pop up in their apps

achorladey:
Above all, you must understand that in the [b]last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires[/b]

My attention is to the word SCOFFERS you better go and see the meaning and see how over the years this applies to the religious organization you belong and the religious leaders leading you. The ridicule and ridiculous nature you have rendered the Lord's coming with numerous dates and times the Lord himself did not set are all traits of SCOFFERS.

You need reminders, there you have it.

noun. a person who mocks or makes fun of someone or something, often of religion or moral values:We need courage when facing scoffers who jeer at our faith and make ironic comments about it.
https://www.dictionary.com › browse
Scoffer Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com

Is Achorladey making SENSE?
The dictionary says no !

In your Bible, Prophet Samuel made wrong prediction.
Prophet Nathan made wrong prediction.
Jesus apostles made wrong prediction.
Why do you carry JWs own for your head like gala?

Bad belle things, they envy JWs.
Them no get liver to confess it.

achorladey:
The same governing body member answer your question. If you cannot watch the video tell Yippeedaniel to give you link to the transcript. You can read it and copy and paste it here paapaa.

Yippeedaniel:
Jw are the most depressed sect. That's why every WT talks about how depressed and frustrated older ones and poor jw are.

Yippeedaniel seems depressed.
He is desperate to put JWs down but can't do nothing
Continue to console yourself
Titus 1:9, Acts13:15, Colossians 3:16 "Continue encouraging one another" JWs must receive encouragement similar to the practice of first century JWs.

Yippeedaniel:
there's no peace. False peace, too much hating going on in congratulations around Nigerian.. Oh i Forget it's normal for imperfect human i think �

Yippeedaniel:
Promise? The failed predictions. Stop waiting because you'll never see it come through in your lifetime. Go watch the Annual meetings.

Yippeedaniel:
Feel save when over 1000 kids are abuses in the organization?

Yippeedaniel:
Why won't you be gentle when you're being controlled and told what to say. Slaves are normally gentle.

Yippeedaniel:
[color=#000099] No one treats you badly when you're innocent.

Yippeedaniel:
clap for yourself.. Australia Branch of Jehovah's Witnesses had records of 1,006 alleged perpetrators of child sexual abuse, relating to more than 1,800 victims since 1950,

Yippeedaniel:
����� You think God will be proud of you for writing this long shit. The same God will kill all gross imperfect jw in Armageddon.

Yippeedaniel:
Worst shit that don't happen in churches, got you wondering if God's own org will breed such cross imperfect humans.

Jw's and alcohol abuse!!

There are so many JW's that are secret alcoholics. They preach a wholesome godly life. But a big majority are raging alcoholics. The Bible never condemn Drinking but over use of alcohol is a major problem in the org.

achorladey:
Na the concept called "JEHOVAH'S ORGANIZATION cause the wahala. A concept that cannot be defended by them in any form or manner.

achorladey:
Spot on! They have numerous members who had built reputation in terms of alcohol consumption and they are know even within the community they dwell for that.

elated177:
Where did I add to the Scripture?

elated177:
Where did Yahushua the Messiah say that he is not God Almighty? Answer this question clearly from the Scriptures. You need to start putting down the Scriptures here.

If you still can't get it, then you can keep what your group has taught you and I will keep what the Spirit of Truth has taught me. There is no compulsion.

elated177:
What did YHVH Almighty, the one and only true God, the Creator of heaven and earth, command the Israelites to do in Deut 32:46?

What does Yahushua 1:8 say?
What was expected of Yahushua in Yahushua 1:8? What did YHVH Almighty command him to do?
Your no. 2 question is hilarious.

Kobojunkie:
Majority of you are in dire need of psychiatric treatment.

God go tell you to start buying food? God of the Bible or god of wereys?

haekymbahd:
I have been hearing from christians mouth that Jehovah is the name of God. I am confused I don't know which of the Jehovah's below is the real God.

haekymbahd:
1. For Jehovah witness: Jehovah has an only son who is not God and was formerly known as Angel Michael

haekymbahd:
2. Some Trinitarians believe Jehovah had partners who are also God, Jesus and the Holyspirit. God the Father, God the son, God the Holyspirit.

Romans 3:29-30. Deuteronomy 6:4, Isaiah 54:4, JEHOVAH (YHWH) is one God,"He."
@ Mark 12:29, can you now see that Jesus Christ believe firmly on Deuteronomy 6:4?
Trinity devotees are ashamed to confess they are Polytheists worshipping 3 Gods.
Did Jesus Christ worship 3 Gods or Triune persons?
Whom are Trinitarians copying their worship of 3 persons from?
Note:
1 John 5:7 & 1 Timothy 3:16 KJV have been tampered with by Trinitarian translators.
Please, check the Mounce Greek interlinear for the correct rendition of both verses.

haekymbahd:
3. Some claim Jesus is Jehovah himself.

haekymbahd:
4. Jews claim their Jehovah is one and has no begotten son

haekymbahd:
Correct me if I am wrong which is the real Jehovah I am confused christians in the house or are the 4 Jehovah's the same...

haekymbahd:
If I didn't mention your group you can add yours and your beleive about Jehovah. So we can know if all this Jehovah's are the same or different.

rottennaija:
Look at the images below, do you get the meaning? If you don't, probably you never will

Auskyd:
Omo he can have his personal convictions for all I care. I just dey worried as to why he is Soo bent on them like say Dem steal hin girlfriend

Auskyd:
He has probably some something wrong there and is now looking for any means to say things about them.

Normal tactic of a vengeful person.

Every religion get them. Na JW own be this guy lol

rottennaija:
Attack dog, welcome once again

sagenaija:
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When words are now said to be wrongly translated all in a bid to make things fit your standard narrative one can only see an attempt to devalue the Son.

sagenaija:
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I think even your brother janosky, who is into Lexicon and co, will confirm to you that 'worship' in that Hebrews 1:6 means WORSHIP and nothing else, unless he too wants to be cheeky and switch Lexicon or disregard Lexicon and switch to your translation here. Janosky, if he truly the 'expert' he wants to put himself forward to be should know that the Koine Greek of the New Testament is EXACT. It leaves little room for guesswork.

Sagenaija is NOT truthful.
It is public knowledge on this forum, that Janosky sticks with the Catholic Church Jerusalem Bible of Hebrews 1:6: "pay homage to Jesus"
Your fellow Trinitarian devotees who started the the Trinity GIBBERISH said "pay homage"

sagenaija:
The book of Hebrews clearly shows the SUPERIORITY of Jesus Christ over all angels, over Moses, over previous worship systems, and over all creation. To therefore say that, in the context of a SCENARIO IN HEAVEN, God the Father is simply telling the angels "be respectful to him" with regards to God the Son means you're being scarce with the truth.

sagenaija:
Look at this clear statement of Jesus:
"that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him."
John 5:23 NIV
Did you see 'just as they honour the Father'?
Maybe you will begin to re-explain what 'just as' now means. Your "deeper understanding" will move its meaning from what is plainly stated there.

Ephesians 6:1-2,"Honour your Father and your mother"
When you honour them, are you worshipping them?
"Honour" @ John 5:23 and Ephesians 6:2 is the same Greek meaning

Sagenaija is desperate to add his Trinitarian TWIST to the holy Scriptures

sagenaija:
If you read Revelation 5 and still claim it is not worship that is given to the Lamb then JW must have pumped so much garbage into your brain that you have brainwashed yourself to think contrary to every truth.

When the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, when they declared "You are worthy", when the myriads of angels added their own voice, and "every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them were saying: “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!” (5:13), MaxinDHouse is telling us that they are simply making 'obeisance' and not worship, then maybe they were also simply paying 'obeisance' to the Father who was there with the Lamb. Or will you now tell us that even though they were doing the same actions to both the Father and the Lamb who were there TOGETHER, we should see it as worship to the Father and 'obeisance' to the Son. You guys can always find ways to 'SLICE' worship for the Father from for the Son even when both of them were the focus here.

Empty rants borne out of desperation

Or obey Revelation19:10 "Worship God"
Matthew 4:10, John 4:23-24, Jesus and the angel is speaking with one voice.

16th September,2021 @ 9:21pm, Your fellow Trinitarian mentors and BishopKingsley, your fellow devotees, proven beyond doubt that @Revelation 5:14, worship is NOT for Jesus.
You have seen and read that screenshot.
Dump your FALSE claims into the Dustbin.

sagenaija:
I am aware that your organisation has, over the years, changed position on the worship of Jesus.
!

sagenaija:
There is ABSOLUTELY NO scriptural support for your claim that Michael was the one transformed into Mary's womb. If there is one please show us.


You guys appear to have forgotten that both Michael and 'one like a son of man' were mentioned in the book of Daniel. Were they ever equated as one and the same there in Daniel? No!

sagenaija:
Why you have chosen to elevate the teachings of men over and above the CLEAR position of Scripture leaves one amazed!

FALSE claim upandan.
Trinitarian devotees: 3 persons GIBBERISH


The holy Scriptures: Romans 3:29-30, Deut 6:4 & Isaiah 54:5, "JEHOVAH God is one,"HE".

Emusan:
When they're lying mouths are being exposed, and the seed of their father the Devil is being exposed, this is what you get.

You don't want to agree openly that Jesus is the Beginning and the end, you have to come up with that nonsense

Even imagine, your bro Max is saying Jehovah is Alpha and Omega while is beginning and the end

Can you show him Greek lexicon so that he'll know both "Alpha and omega" is the same as "the beginning and the end?"

Snipper007:
All this money making systems, watch as some dingbats will come and tell us how the wristband saved them from kidnappers and marauding fulani herdsmen

Auskyd:
Are you back? hehehehe.

Jobless.

Bishopkingsley:
90% of watch tower doctrine is from the devil they preach that JW is the mother of God they don't even know man has a soul and spirit

1Sharon:
Hmm..looking at him now, he doesn't look like either of them.

I smell fraud

MaxInDHouse:
Well it's only those with whom we share the same line of thought that we know as Christians {Matthew 12:46-50} not just those claiming Christians! Matthew 7:21-23
So if you're not one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES then know that you and i aren't worshiping the same God, that's why i will never have anything to do with you in sacred matters like praying together or singing together!

MightySparrow:
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col.1:15

Born and create are they the same?

sagenaija:
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MaxinDHouse, Again why not try and be straightforward.

Nobody is saying that only one person spoke throughout the book of Revelation.
We are not talking about different chapters of the book of Revelation. We are looking at what is stated in the space of FIVE VERSES!
Five verses within the same chapter. And it has been so DIFFICULT for you to explain or answer even if it means using your own translation. How come?

I asked questions about SPECIFIC verses, and they are single verses and it has taken us this lo-o-o-ong to get a 'No answer' from you. Why is that so?

How do 'some people think this', 'some people think that' answer a question?

Jesus said "Let your 'yes' be 'yes' and your 'no' be 'no'. Anything else comes from the evil one".

Why look for some other issue to deflect attention from answering a question directly? Is it not better to say 'I don't know' than move others around in a circle?

I asked:
When Jesus said "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."
Revelation 22: ‬13
What do you believe he means?

You responded with:


I then showed you where Jesus CLEARLY said IN THE SAME PORTION:
“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
Revelation 22:16 NIV
And I asked you this:
Does it agree with your bolder above?

And your response is now about:

And


Is that verse “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches......" wrong? Or mistranslated?

Do you remember when I asked you a while back:
MaxinDHouse, who is speaking in Isaiah 48:12-13?

You were quick to answer:


When I went on to ask
MaxinDHouse, Thank you. Now, who is speaking here:
When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
Revelation 1:17‭-‬18 NIV

Your response was:


Then when I went further with:
MaxinDHouse, do you see the "I am the First, I am also the Last" in Isaiah 48 and the "I am the First and the Last" in Revelation 1?

You said that the the First and the Last in Isaiah 48 is Jehovah and the one in Revelation is Jesus.

Now, are there two different "the First and the Last" persons ‐ one being Jehovah and the other Jesus Christ?

Your response began to change:

This is where deeper understanding is required. When Jehovah said he is the beginning and the end, and Jesus also said the same thing it simply means both persons knows the beginning of mankind's history and rebellion in the garden of Eden, and certainly they will both see the end of badness!

Remember they've been together from the time of creation until now! Proverbs 8:22; John 1:1

That doesn't implies the voice belongs to the same person!

What was a simple question now requires a 'deeper understanding'. The answer changed from 'It is......' to 'That doesn't implies the voice belongs to the same person!'.

I guess you were confused because the person who said "I am the first and the last.."
in Revelation 1 also added "I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever!"
So, it is unmistakable who is speaking. But your DOGMA already has a position on things and you can't immediately reconcile the two. So you had to 'switch gear'.

We are seeing that again here!
A passage with statements that should be clear enough but you now have to hide under the cover of translations and translators.

I didn't ask about translators. I only asked:
When Jesus said "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."
Revelation 22: ‬13
What do you believe he means?

Can you have a go at that question MaxinDHouse?

MaxInDHouse:
When the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis were speaking against one another using the scriptures the people were confused as to which group has God's backing, but when Jesus arrived and started teaching what can't be faulted or refuted everyone noticed that this man's teaching is unique! Matthew 7:28-29

Sajenaija just wanted to console himself that there is no group worth taking seriously after all of them have flaws, but right now he is having a big problem because i presented the one and only group practicing Christianity in the right sense, he couldn't present any all he's after is to bring out the flaws in any group claiming the one and only Christian group.

So he's really battling vehemently with his mind over what he can say to disapprove the JW Organization. What a pity all his arguments are futile. I usually ignore his type because it's pointless debating with someone who doesn't want to know God's approved organization, our search is for the lost sheep of the house of Israel (people who are elderly searching for the group practicing what Jesus taught) not those who don't want to subject themselves to any form of tenets.
I only wanted to dig it with him to any length since he's insinuating that i often run away from him. Now i'm with him let's see how he disapproves what JEHOVAH has approved!

Sagenaija is answering his own Father's name.
John 5:43, Jesus bears his own Father's name & titles given to him @ Matthew 28:18
Yet, Sagenaija's brain grasps nothing

MightySparrow:
So, Yahweh spoke Jesus into existence as did other creatures?