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rottennaija:
Published on Oct 8, 2020

Is It Wrong For Jehovah's Witnesses To Research Their Own Religion?
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Hey everyone, I'm John Maple and welcome to JW Review. In this video I go over the question of whether it's wrong for a JW to thoroughly research his religion.

MightySparrow:
Witnesses need wits.

johnw47:
oh most dum dum false jw janosky

john 1:1 say's the word was God because the verse is talking about past tense "in the beginning".
truly know nothing, the Word was God, is God, and always will be God, oh false jw, great denier of the
Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ



know nothing fraud, of course Father God is Father of His Son Jesus, duh duh duh duh duh
and His Son Jesus is firstborn from the dead, the first among many brethren, and preeminent over all


firstborn Jesus = preeminent Jesus:

Psa 89:27  Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.



firstborn from the dead Jesus is also preeminent Jesus:

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.


[s]you big lying fraud janosky, just like your daddy:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.[/s]

Mat_7:15  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Mumu LIENUS, JohnW LYING dullard .
@ John 20:17 and Revelation 3:12,21 (Matt 27:46), Jesus says you're LYING. Roger that.
Did Almighty God have a Father in heaven in the past tense and present tense?

John 20:17 & Revelation 3:12,21, Jesus is saying Almighty God has no Father in heaven.
Because Jesus is NOT Almighty God in heaven..

LYING dullard misquote Psalms 89:27, if you get liver, give this forum the name of any first born without a Father in heaven and earth.
You still have to misquote Colossians 1:18 .
Matthew 27:46, When your "Almighty God" died, whom did he beg ?
Did Almighty God have brethrens?
You broke speedometer to measure your level of dullness.
Trinity GIBBERISH sold your thinking cap.

MightySparrow:
JWs have made good attempts to chronologically interpret the agenda of God for the earth. The have tried to live like Pharisees and Sadducees
They are armed with more of secular reports and analysis than spiritual.
They continue to live in delusion as they are crazily indoctrinated. If you try to point errors to them, and, because they have been schooled to believe that they have monopoly of God's knowledge. They close their minds to real knowledge.


[b]Until I have a copy of their book,' Reasoning from the Scriptures. that discovered that majority of them never read the Bible. I have quite a number of them this simple question, since when have you member? In all these years, have you (be honest) read the Bible alone? [/b]Some are truthful few will cunnigly ignore the question. My friend among them, a missionary, on this matter, told me that it doesn't matter how many times you read the Bible, they (JWs) are given sole responsibility and grace to interpret the Bible. I think my friend Maximuside has this same mind also. Rather than defending the Bible truth, they defend GB.
I hope this people know they as a well victims of what they are accusing others of.

rottennaija:
No longer photoshop?

johnw47:
oh duh know nothing false jw janosky

john 1:1 say's God and the word is God

john 20:17 doesn't say that the Word is not God
it say's God is Father of the Son

rev 3:12 Father is the God of Jesus, oh duh who would have known
and Father also calls Jesus God,
[s]which you satan's mob do the twist on

fraud jw janosky

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

false jw's:
Mat_7:15  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.[/s]

johnw47:
[s]Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool


false jw janosky, hater of God's word and adding to it
which your daddy loves

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.



oh so confused know nothing false jw janosky

nothing was created without the Word/Jesus Christ
showing that the word is neither a angel, or created

Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Col 1:16  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 
Col 1:17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

[/s]

MATURITY IS WHEN THE OTHER PERSON IS LYING, YOU JUST SMILE & LET HIM GO AWAY WITH HIS GIBBERISH.

rottennaija:
Interesting similarities. I'm impressed. At least, he is not punching me up and down for a photoshop image.



At least, he saw the eyes of horus then but said it was photoshop. We will get there. I'll be bring images of other amphitheatre and assembly halls to show that unless you want the eyes of horus design, it does not occur by concidence.

And mind you, these convention location was built in the 1980s when there was no goggle satellite. So no one would have found them out until a later time in the future.

Then I'll go into subliminal images in WT publications, the the videos that uses satanic songs. We are just starting.

Rott WAILER super glued to Mumu LIENUS
Your eyes of horus has NOTHING to do with Assembly Hall in Denmark.

johnw47:
[s]fraud janosky, you false jw's of course love repeating your lies in denying the Lord


life is in the blood, yet you false jw's won't give life/blood to a sick family member even

Jesus made people live, false jw's help them to die, just like your daddy the devil does
ye are of your father the devil john 8:44

Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.[/s]

iyambz:
Mr. Janoski,
Instead of trying to use what someone else is doing to justify Russell, why not look into the watch tower to see if their doctrines match with the Bible. If you were grounded in the word of God, you should have known by now that I'm not a charismatic, meaning you don't even care about studying the Bible to know if the watch tower is telling you the truth or lying to you.

rottennaija:
I see why watchtower no want una go school. So that you guys can doubt everything not from them and can believe everything from them.

I have made the search easy for you up there. But you should educate yourself on how to use Google image and satellite.

Just goggle Jehovah's Witnesses Convention Complex Denmark and you will see it come up. Open the goggle map and change the layer to goggle satellite. You will see it there. That's what the guy did in the video and since you are trained to disbelieve everything, you can it photoshop. At least they teach you that one.

It reminds of of a video I watch where an elder was shown Godfrey Jackson testimony in Australian Royal Commission and he said it fake, that they use blue screen to fake the video.

At least! If you are not learning anything from me learn this one today.
1. Google Jehovah's Witnesses Convention Complex Denmark and you will see it come up.

2. Open the goggle map and
3. change the layer from default to goggle satellite (image 3)
4. Satellite View will show you the view as caption by Google satellite above the earth

DappaD:
So in your village, animals were made in God’s image abi? Haddeylium already explained in detail that the word “nature” has several meanings so why are you quoting the one that means something else even when it doesn’t help in your argument?

rottennaija:
When you are done. The image below is what you will see. By Google satellite. You can use your phone or computer. You will still seethe same thing.

livingchrist:
according to the screen shot below man and animals do not have the same nature.

livingchrist:
Demons are spirits yet the bible said they are not God by nature.

rottennaija:
This one believes it is photoshop. You don't believe WT actually designed and build that assembly hall. What then will you do when you starts seeing subliminal images in WT publications?

MaxInDHouse:
@bolded your own PERSONAL conclusion which shouldn't be forced on others!

livingchrist:
Angels only pay homage to God no other being for angels to pay homage to Jesus it means Jesus is God Almighty

Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"

[b] Enemy of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Slave of Trinity GIBBERISH

johnw47:
[s]most duh dum dum and fearful copy cat false jw janosky

you often don't reply to what is said, but post unrelated gibberish like that above
it's common in all you false jw's, u such a confused mob

Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Rev_21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.[/s]

livingchrist:
I choose what the bible teaches above any organisation or religion, the bible never err.
*1
Angels are spirits but they do not have same nature as God.



*2
same way humans are also describe as godlike or elohim, does it mean humans and God has same nature?



*3
Jesus never sought for worship because he made himself a servant.
Jehovah means I become whatever I want to be.
That is who Jesus made himself to be.
Next


*4
Not the same way, Jesus case is special, even God the father commanded all Angels to worship him.
Angels only worship or pay obeisance to God.
Hebrews 1:6
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.


The holiness of angels or men comes from God only God is inherently holy and righteous.
Revelation 15:4
Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

*4
Your Trinitarian TWISTING of Hebrews 1:6 is DUBIOUS.
Matthew 4:10, Jesus says his God did NOT command anybody to worship Jesus.

The Catholic Church, your Trinity mentors knows better.
Read Hebrews 1:6,( New Jerusalem Bible, the Catholic Church Official Bible),
Hebrews1:6
Again, when he brings the First-born into the world, he says: Let all the angels of God pay him homage
God says "pay homage to Jesus"
Roger that and RECEIVE SENSE

livingchrist:
@bolded
Check the screen shot below.
It's from jw.org

rottennaija:
Just out of curiosity, will it include the eye of horus assembly Hall in Denmark?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ycDI4qQHoo

rottennaija:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses%27_handling_of_child_sex_abuse

www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-51006771

https://revealnews.org/topic/jehovahs-witnesses/

haddeylium:
My brothers have schooled you enough
Meditate on them silently.

Your problem is 'You don't even know what a nature'.
There exist only two nature' [b]The physical Nature (Materialized/Visible) and Spirit Nature (Unmaterialized/invisible)

All Human being posses the Physical nature' (that is Visible and Materialized body type). Your nature won't change even if you turn into a terrorist or hardened criminal). Your nature will still be physical.

God nature is [b]Spirit. He created all his angel spirit too(Unmaterialized/Invisible).
So, If some of his spirit Son rebel against him, that won't change their nature as a spirit just as a human that go rogue won't change Nature
[/b]
That enough for today!

johnw47:
not all there false jw janosky

i never said anything about the matters of that video etc. oh fearful run run run run runaway, you obviously keep hearing those voices in your head

[s]fraud jw, i showed that you have no replies and just say anything and then run away
and you done it again, laughing
you big dum dum jw, aren't you janosky

Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. [/s]

johnw47:
[s]false jw janosky

things like that is all you liars can keep repeating

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.[/s]

johnw47:
[s]fraud janosky

you false jw's love your false prophets

Mat_7:15  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves[/s].

iyambz:
[s]Charles Russell was the founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses. This thread will be the test of a false prophet. Kindly pay attention to number 9, it's very interesting.

Charles Russell and JWs prophesies:
1. He said "Jehovah the God of the true prophets will put all fake prophets to shame either by not fulfilling the false prediction of such self assuming prophets, or by having his own prophesies fulfilled in a way opposite to that predicted by the false prophets. False prophets will try to hide their reason for feeling shame by denying who they really are.” The title of this article is “Paradise restored to mankind by theocracy.” It’s in their publication 1972’ page 353-354. [/s]

2. [s]The millennium will begin at 1872. “In this chapter we present the Bible evidence which indicate that 6000 years from the creation of Adam were complete with A.D. 1872, and hence that since 1872 A.D., we chronologically entered upon the 7 thousandth or the millennium the fore part of which the day of the Lord, the day of trouble is to witness the breaking into pieces of the kingdoms of this world and establishment of the kingdom of God under the whole Heavens.” [s]Found in their book “Thy kingdom come” 1905; page 127.

3. Christ second coming will occur in 1874. “The second coming of the Lord therefore began in 1874 and that date and the year 1914-1918 are specially marked dates with reference to His coming.” This is found in their book “Creation” 1927; page 310. [/s]

4. [s]The kingdom of God established in 1914. “In view of this string bible evidence concerning the times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth, that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the kingdom of God will be accomplished at the end of A.D. 1914.” This is found in their studies of the scripture vol 2, title is “The time is at hand.” The 1889 and 1909 edition; page 99.

5. This is same with point 4 above. The only difference is that they changed the date from 1914 to 1915. Studies of the scriptures vol 2 “The time is at hand.” Reprint of the 1915 edition, page 99.

6. Churches destroyed, end of the times of the Gentiles 1918. “However suddenly there came an end to World War One. It did not lead on as bible students expected into world revolution and anarchy or the battle of Armageddon, and the sincere worshipers of Jehovah who were in the new covenant with Him through His mediator Jesus Christ found themselves still in the flesh on the Earth.” They were expecting Him to come at that time. Title “Man’s salvation out of world distress at hand” 1975; page 98.

7. “And the mountains were not found, even the republics will disappear in the fall of 1920, and the mountains were not found, every kingdom of earth will pass away, be swallowed up in anarchy.” This is found in studies of the scriptures vol 7 “The finished mystery” 1917 edition; page 258.
[/s]
8. “Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the faithful prophets of the old. There will be no SLIP-UP. Abraham should enter upon the possession of his promised inheritance in the year 1925.” Title is “millions now living will never die” 1918; page 89. Its also found in their watchtower magazine Oct 15, 1917.[/s]

9. “At San Diego California, there is a small piece of land on which in the year 1929 there was built a house which is called and known as BETH SARIM. The Hebrew word BETH SARIM means house of the princes, and the purpose of acquiring that property and building the house was that there might be some tangible, that there are those on earth today who fully believed that the faithful men of old will soon be resurrected by the Lord, and be back on earth, and take charge of the visible affairs of earth. The occupation of the house by the princes was to be a confirmation of the faith and hope that induce the building BETH SARIM.” [s]Found in their magazine titled “salvation” 1939, page 311 and 312. Maybe the JWs should go to San Diego and look at the house and see for themselves that their organization is wrong, and Charles Russell is a false prophet, and so is his predecessors. The building is still there.

10. They have preached that in an early time God will overthrow Christendom. Many had emphasized the year 1925 as the date, and then when that date did not materialized, the date was moved up to 1932. Again 1932 came, and Christendom was not destroyed. This is found in their magazine Feb 15, 1938; page 54.

11. The millennium to began at 1975. “According to the trustworthy bible chronology, 6000 years from man’s creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975 common era." title - “life everlasting in freedom of the sons of God.” 1966 page 29.[/s]

rottennaija:
Kingdom Halls like this?

More than 1000 Kingdom halls were no longer used? Keep deceiving yourself. When you see a smart business model, you no no.

I pray you take your advice just ones. Try and get sense IN Jesus name.

rottennaija:
In the last district convention you attended, did you see how in that Jeremiah drama, the leading ones, the priest were giving up temple properties for rent in return of financial benefit?

Did Jehovah give them permission to start selling dedicated halls? I thought the halls were said to be dedicated to Jehovah?

rottennaija:
So you now see the difference between the pastorprenuer and governing body prenuer?

rottennaija:
You see Maximus69, when I started posting about JWs, there had been series of methods to try to get me to shut up and stopped posting. Initially where accusations of being an bitter apostate (I was still an active member then but PIMO), then they were those who would just smear "this one just want to sin", there were those who say he has been disfellowshiped (something that has not happened till now nor any judicial committee), then straight forward attack (you can remember your psychological words of attacks etc).

I understood all these were attempts to stop me from posting. They had just wished I had kept they secret hidden, shut up and stay shut. Unfortunately, those didn't work and don't think your now subdued "show me a better performing group" or any of it's forms will works. So you might as well rest but you shouldn't, for I'm entertained by it.

They was a time you ranted "that my thread are dying, that they don't have views". But each time I post, you appear to be one of the first 20 people who rush to the thread; when you take a look at the earlier post I made, you see hundreds of views.

Then there is the ban by nairaland bot targeted at me. I get to understand that using certain keywords will stopped my post. So I adapt.

So you might as well stopped being a broken record repeating the same tune. (You can say it in another way you know ) But you are not going to succeed in stopping my post.

You know what I see each day on YouTube, twitter and Facebook? More and more young people waking to the reality about the JWs religion is fake. I don't really expect that from older JWs especially considering how many years they had given their lives to it. (I understand the emotional trauma it would cause them if they get to realise it has been a big waste of years and an illusion. Given the choice, many would continue in the illusion as long as it gives them some semblance of hope that admit it were all fake) I spend hours watching YouTube testimonials and experiences, some of which are too lengthy to post here. The other day, I was contacted by a Jw elders on Facebook about his discoveries but was afraid to come out openly.

You know when I looked back to 1980s, when 3 or 4 people started realising what the organisation is, a time you basically had 10s or a few 100s of people who knew what the organisation is hiding to protect their fake reputation, a time when the movement to exposed the organisation for what it was started, you can only find a handful of people. Fast forward 20 years ahead, the few 100s had turned into a few 100s of 1000s. In 20 years time, the few 100s of 1000s will be into a few millions.

That's what a movement is. It starts very slow, then slow, then increases slowly until it becomes a big movement. That's what you should understand Maximus69. You cannot stop it.

Speaking of a better performing group than JWs... Maximus69, you should hear it from me.
If the JW organisation was performing well, they wouldn't be paying millions in compensation and asking victims to shutup, they wouldn't be selling hundreds of KH, they wouldn't be employing all cult tactics to keep members, they wouldn't be using fear, obligations and guilt as their preferred method. Of all the religion I know, the JW is one group performing so poorly that they are so unsure of themselves.

So where are they performing so well?

Who overwhelmed Peter with guilt ?
Who told Judas Iscariot to be overwhelmed with guilt?
Mr LIENUS, say na JWs

Drawing close to Jehovah breeds clear conscience.
Likewise, leaving Jehovah's worship breeds guilty conscience, Hebrews 10:22.
Jesus died for you to draw close to Jehovah and have a clean conscience" before the true God.
Hebrew 9:14.

2 Timothy 1:7, Jehovah's Servants are not in bondage. JWs no dey fear !

A clear conscience fears no accusation of guilt.

rottennaija:
You see Maximus69, when I started posting about JWs, there had been series of methods to try to get me to shut up and stopped posting. Initially where accusations of being an bitter apostate (I was still an active member then but PIMO), then they were those who would just smear "this one just want to sin", there were those who say he has been disfellowshiped (something that has not happened till now nor any judicial committee), then straight forward attack (you can remember your psychological words of attacks etc).

I understood all these were attempts to stop me from posting. They had just wished I had kept they secret hidden, shut up and stay shut. Unfortunately, those didn't work and don't think your now subdued "show me a better performing group" or any of it's forms will works. So you might as well rest but you shouldn't, for I'm entertained by it.

They was a time you ranted "that my thread are dying, that they don't have views". But each time I post, you appear to be one of the first 20 people who rush to the thread; when you take a look at the earlier post I made, you see hundreds of views.

Then there is the ban by nairaland bot targeted at me. I get to understand that using certain keywords will stopped my post. So I adapt.

So you might as well stopped being a broken record repeating the same tune. (You can say it in another way you know ) But you are not going to succeed in stopping my post.

You know what I see each day on YouTube, twitter and Facebook? More and more young people waking to the reality about the JWs religion is fake. I don't really expect that from older JWs especially considering how many years they had given their lives to it. (I understand the emotional trauma it would cause them if they get to realise it has been a big waste of years and an illusion. Given the choice, many would continue in the illusion as long as it gives them some semblance of hope that admit it were all fake) I spend hours watching YouTube testimonials and experiences, some of which are too lengthy to post here. The other day, I was contacted by a Jw elders on Facebook about his discoveries but was afraid to come out openly.

You know when I looked back to 1980s, when 3 or 4 people started realising what the organisation is, a time you basically had 10s or a few 100s of people who knew what the organisation is hiding to protect their fake reputation, a time when the movement to exposed the organisation for what it was started, you can only find a handful of people. Fast forward 20 years ahead, the few 100s had turned into a few 100s of 1000s. In 20 years time, the few 100s of 1000s will be into a few millions.

That's what a movement is. It starts very slow, then slow, then increases slowly until it becomes a big movement. That's what you should understand Maximus69. You cannot stop it.

Speaking of a better performing group than JWs... Maximus69, you should hear it from me.
If the JW organisation was performing well, they wouldn't be paying millions in compensation and asking victims to shutup, they wouldn't be selling hundreds of KH, they wouldn't be employing all cult tactics to keep members, they wouldn't be using fear, obligations and guilt as their preferred method. Of all the religion I know, the JW is one group performing so poorly that they are so unsure of themselves.

So where are they performing so well?

Who overwhelmed Peter with guilt ?
Who told Judas Iscariot to be overwhelmed with guilt?
Mr LIENUS, say na JWs

Drawing close to Jehovah breeds clear conscience.
Likewise, leaving Jehovah's worship breeds guilty conscience, Hebrews 10:22.
Jesus died for you to draw close to Jehovah and have a clean conscience" before the true God.
Hebrew 9:14.

2 Timothy 1:7, Jehovah's Servants are not in bondage. JWs no dey fear !

A clear conscience fears no accusation of guilt.