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christainslove:
Jehovah Witness a true religion?

The Jehovah Witness is false doctrine.They are more like a cult.Do you know their bible is different?
They affirm that God—Jehovah—is the most high. Jesus Christ is God’s agent, through whom sinful humans can be reconciled to God.
The Holy Spirit is the name of God’s active force in the world. But the bible says-1 John 5:7-For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

To them,Jesus is not divine but a created being. Jesus also didn’t rise physically from the dead.Jesus is the son of God and he died and rose from the dead for our sins.
They do not allow blood transfusion even though we are all from Adam and Eve anyway. I mean,a child growing up in the womb uses its mothers blood, doesn’t it?.
The whole thing is not right. We have to follow the Word of the Living God,not fake doctrine.

rottennaija:
On a second thought, I had to go through your post again. MaxInDHouse, you are a big liar just like your governing body.

In any of my post, have you seen the title being something of the nature "I want to present a better group that outperforms Jw" or any of its variations? So how could you be rushing to my post to look for that when I do pretend to offer it?

Besides, you should know and always remember. My post is solely to exposed the false beliefs and practices of JWs. Expose its dark side, mind control techniques etc. The very things normal JWs are not exposed to.

So keep this in mind when you rush to see the next post.

rottennaija:
You must be in serious pain. All of these to defends the save by organisation concept embedded in your by your superior?
So sad

rottennaija:
Where is the deception?
I should meet with Jww before you consider me meeting?

*1
Beware of “organization.” It is wholly unnecessary.

**2
The Bible rules will be the only rules you will need

Beware of “organization.” It is wholly unnecessary.

Yet, you're seeking to meet people/group at a particular hour, day, time at a preselected venue for no particular purpose, Shebi ?
Several individuals will mount the podium shouting at everyone else in a desperate bid for audience audience.
Thereafter, everyone disperse to their abode, happy and contented.
"Organization is wholly unnecessary" to lazy,yoot idio.yots !

No dey DECEIVE yourself.

Jones4190:
The angels are referred to as “sons of God” by virtue of having been created (Job 38:7), whereas Jesus became the Son of the Father through being actually begotten of the Father in flesh and Spirit. “But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: ‘Let all the angels of God worship Him’ . . . To the Son He says: ‘Your throne, O God, is forever and ever . . .’” (Hebrews 1:6-.

Jesus “has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him” (1 Peter 3:22).

Clearly Jesus Christ is far above all the angels—yet He is the Angel in terms of being the Father’s Messenger.

BassReeves:
-John 1:14, 18
'14The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us.
18No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known'

As for whether Exodus 33:20-23 is missing in my Bible, no it isn't. Why do you want to know if its missing or not?

You obviously havent been briefed about Exodus 33:20-23, that when Moses was asking that God show him His glory, he actually was trying to know about the future plans of God, so God responded that, no one can know His plans and live to tell about it (i.e. Thou canst not see my face), but instead He will show him about the past (i.e. thou shalt see my back parts)

BassReeves:
Do you really not at all understand what 'bosom' means. Like for example Lazarus being in Abraham's bosom. Never mind, just produce quotes of Jesus denying He is God or Him denying He is the Son of God.

BassReeves:
BassReeves:
-John 1:14, 18
'14The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us.
18No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known"
.

BassReeves:
BassReeves:

Never mind, just produce quotes of Jesus denying He is God or Him denying He is the Son of God.
.

In heaven, Revelation 3:5,12,21, Revelation 2:27, Revelation 1:5-6, Jesus says he is NOT God.
In heaven, the spiritual realm, Jesus calls God "my Father, my God".
Bros, is the spiritual realm stronger than the physical realm?
Revelation 3:5,12,21, Revelation 2:27, Revelation 1:5-6, what is Jesus Christ in the spiritual realm?

Bros, John 20:17,30-31, John 3:16,36, what did your Jesus say you must believe to gain eternal life?

BassReeves:
-John 1:14, 18
'14The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us.
18No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known'

Why are you struggling with the fact that Jesus is God and vice versa?

Why not for a change, and a bit of variety, provide a bible quote of Jesus denying He is God or denying He is the Son of God

King James Bible
"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

New King James Version
No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him"
Compare your John 1:18 quote and KJV John 1:18 quote... Can't you spot the difference?

johnw47:
[s]not all there know nothing false jw janosky

laughing

God's fingers is not the Holy Spirit, it's figurative speaking

and again God's hand and right hand is not the Holy Spirit, it's figurative speaking

truly, written by God's finger is figurative

really Jesus is not literally a Lamb



talk about imperfect mumu lienus, lying dullard deceiving himself < that's you alright, oh hearer of voices false jw janosky


Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.[/s]

johnw47:
[s]fool false jw janosky full of twisting/lies

truly the Word/Jesus created the world, the angels sang and shouted, oh hater/changer of God's word[/s]

the bright and morning star is the planet venus, oh know nothing

[s]Jesus is first born from the dead, Jesus is firstborn/preimmenient, etc. etc. depending on topic, oh heap big dum dum
[/s]
morning stars can refer to angels, stars can also refer to stars, the bright and morning star is the planet venus, Jesus is also referred to as "the bright and morning star" oh great big know nothing


[s]Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


u still listening to those voices [/s]

BassReeves:
John 3:13
'No one has ever gone into heaven except the One who came from heaven--the Son of Man'

You are out of your depth, this stuff is out of your league to understand or get your head round.

Luke 1:31-33, Son of man is NOT God Almighty.
Angel Gabriel can't be wrong. Bros stop LYING

Daniel 7:13,14 & John 3:16 no dey your Bible?

John 20:17 , did Jesus tell you "my God and your God" became flesh?


Imperfect Bros wey know pass Jesus Christ

johnw47:
[s]oh most confused know nothing false jw janosky[/s]

Luk 11:20  But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

truly most duh false jw the Holy Spirit is not the literal finger of God, it's figuratively speaking



Joh_1:29  The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

and big dum dum janosky, Jesus Christ is not literally a lamb

[s]Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.[/s]

BassReeves:
-John 1:14, 18
'14The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us.
18No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known'

As for whether Exodus 33:20-23 is missing in my Bible, no it isn't. Why do you want to know if its missing or not?

You obviously havent been briefed about Exodus 33:20-23, that when Moses was asking that God show him His glory, he actually was trying to know about the future plans of God, so God responded that, no one can know His plans and live to tell about it (i.e. Thou canst not see my face), but instead He will show him about the past (i.e. thou shalt see my back parts)

BassReeves:
In your scenario, am I the boss capable of becoming a messenger and not only continue being myself the boss, but be the boss and the messenger, meaning do this, in parallel and at the same time? To clarify. I am boss in the office and at the same time, while in the office, I am the messenger, delivering letters to tenants. Meaning, I am, two persons, existing, in two different places, at the same time

rottennaija:

The natural man can see that a visibly organized body, with a definite purpose, is a thing of more or less power; therefore they esteem the various organizations, from which we have come out, in obedience to the Master’s call. But the natural man cannot understand how a company of people, with no organization which they can see, is ever going to accomplish anything. As they look upon us, they regard us simply as a few scattered skirmishers—a “peculiar people”—with very peculiar ideas and hopes, [/b]but not worthy of special notice.


Under our Captain, all the truly sanctified, however few or far separated in person, are closely united by the Spirit of Christ, in faith, hope and love; and, in following the Master’s command, are moving in solid battalions for the accomplishment of his purposes. But, bear in mind, God is not dependent upon numbers (See Judges 7, as an illustration). . . .

[b]We always refuse to be called by any other name than that of our Head—Christians—continually claiming that there can be no division among those continually led by his Spirit and example as made known through his Word.

Beware of “organization.” It is wholly unnecessary. The Bible rules will be the only rules you will need. Do not seek to bind others’ consciences, and do not permit others to bind yours. Believe and obey so far as you can understand God’s Word today, and so continue growing in grace and knowledge and love day by day.

by whatsoever names men may call us, it matters not to us; we acknowledge none other name than “the only name given under heaven and among men”—Jesus Christ. We call ourselves simply CHRISTIANS and we raise no fence to separate from us any who believe in the foundation stone of our building mentioned by Paul: “That Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures”; and those for whom this is not broad enough have no right to the name Christian.

KNOWMORE56:
John was Jesus' witness just as you have agreed that JESUS' WITNESS = Jehovah's witness:
*. John 1:7 "KJV: THE SAME CAME FOR A WITNESS, TO WITNESS OF THE LIGHT, that all men through him might believe."

8 "KJV: HE was not that Light, but WAS SENT TO BEAR WITNESS OF THAT LIGHT.

9KJV: THAT WAS THE TRUE LIGHT, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Note: FATHER/SON IS THE LIGHT:

*. Psalms 27:1 "KJV: THE LORD IS my LIGHT and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? (i.e the Father)

*. Revelation 21:23 "KJV:And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the LAMB IS THE LIGHT thereof.(i.e the Son)

*. John8:12 "KJV:Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I AM THE LIGHT of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.(i.e the Son)

*. Isaiah 60: 19 "KJV:The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but THE LORD SHALL BE unto thee AN EVERLASTING LIGHT, and thy God thy glory.(i.e the Father)

Thanks for accepting that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES = JESUS' WITNESSES !

KNOWMORE56:
Jehovah's Witnesses = Jesus' witnesses,
in other words Jehovah = Jesus or JESUS = Jehovah✓.

The Father witnesses for the Son just as the Son witnesses for the Father:

*. John 5:37 "KJV:And THE FATHER HIMSELF, which hath sent me, hath BORNE WITNESS OF ME. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape."

NOTE: " THE FATHER HIMSELF....BORNE WITNESS OF ME.

*. John 8:18 ":I AM ONE THAT WITNESS OF MYSELF, and THE FATHER that sent me BEARETH WITNESS OF ME."

Note: Jesus is saying hear that since He and the Father is the Almighty One ( 1×1×1= Almighty 1), it means FATHER BEARS WITNESS OF THE SON IS THE SAME THING AS SON BEARS WITNESS OF HIMSELF.

some time you will say if the Father is the same with the Son it means the Son prayed to Himself, He is saying in John 8:18 above
that you are somewhat correct...if that is what will help you understand the Godhead mystery.

Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape."

Nobody has seen the form of God who sent Jesus.
Nobody has heard the voice of God who sent Jesus

Bros, dump your FALSE claims & analogy for dustbin

BassReeves:
John 14:7-9
'7If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him.”
8Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us.”
9Jesus replied, “Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me?
Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?'

Your problem and the Jews, is that you cant fathom out the reason why, it is necessary for God to become a human being. You see it, to be an impossible thing for God, to be in two places, at the same time. You think it is impossible for God, to at the same time, exist in heaven as Father and on earth as Son. Isn't that all correct?

Chew on John 14:8-9 for awhile, hopefully for the realisation to settle down and sink in for you

BassReeves:
Your problem and the Jews, is that you cant fathom out the reason why, it is necessary for God to become a human being. You see it, to be an impossible thing for God, to be in two places, at the same time. You think it is impossible for God, to at the same time, exist in heaven as Father and on earth as Son Isn't that all correct

BassReeves:
Do you now see that I was right in saying, I guess your next question is: If Jesus is God, why is he praying to Himself?

While Elihu, is not God, Jesus, however, is God and as you can see from John 10:33b above, when the opportunity was there for Him to deny that He isn't God, He didnt. This for the good reason that He is God.

Bros, you made claims your Bible doesn't agree with, you want to jakpa

Jones4190:
John 14:28 (NIV)

“You heard me say, ‘I am going away, and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

the term ‘greater’ hare mean “someone who holds a greater status or office.” For example, your boss is greater than you; the president is greater than the vice president.
Jesus is equal with the Father in essence, in nature, and in character, but the Father is greater than Jesus in function, office, and position.  

When Jesus says the ‘Father is greater than I.’ The context shows that Jesus is not speaking in terms of His essential being and nature of God – but rather functionally; He is speaking of the mission and work of God. 

We never see Jesus sending the Father to do anything; that is simply not His function within the work of the Godhead. It is the Father who sends the son – and it is to the Father’s side that the Son will return by this understanding it's right to says that Jesus has a supreme leader ( God the father) and It is in that functional sense that the Father is ‘greater
conclusively:
JESUS IS EQUAL WITH THE FATHER IN ESSENCE, IN NATURE, AND IN CHARACTER, BUT THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN JESUS IN FUNCTION, IN OFFICE, AND IN POSITION.

Image123:
Keep quiet, fault finder. You may grow old looking for pricks to kick against. My posts on the forum span over 10years, you're free to look them to defend your elder. Imagine the joblessness of these guys.

BassReeves:
John 10:32-33
'32But Jesus responded, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone Me?”
33“ We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews,
“but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God."'

Get it clear, the name Elihu, properly means, God is the one [who is to be thanked, or worshipped] and nothing like, your ludicrous, 'Elihu, the God, you worship' comment.

While Elihu, is not God, Jesus, however, is God and as you can see from John 10:33b above, when the opportunity was there for Him to deny that He isn't God, He didnt. This for the good reason that He is God.

How you managed to falsely believe you were asked a question or even imposing it on you is laughable

Enskynelson:
OK. Clap for yourself

BassReeves:
According to your incomplete understanding, you fail to know that the name Elihu, properly means, God is the one [who is to be thanked, or worshipped]

Affirmative. I guess your next question is:
If Jesus is God, why is he praying to Himself?

BassReeves:
Matthew 1:18-25
'18This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about:
His mother Mary was pledged in marriage to Joseph,
but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.
19Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and was unwilling to disgrace her publicly, he resolved to divorce her quietly.
20But after he had pondered these things, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream
and said, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to embrace Mary as your wife, for the One conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.
21She will give birth to a Son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus,d because He will save His people from their sins.”
22All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet:
23“Behold, the virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call Him Immanuel” (which means, “God with us”).
24When Joseph woke up, he did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him, and embraced Mary as his wife.
25But he had no union with herg until she gave birth to a Son. And he gave Him the name Jesus.'

Matthew 1:23b, Jesus, is God incarnate.

johnw47:
[s]not all there in the head, false jw janosky, spreading your twisted lies all over the place[/s]

the morning stars/the sons of God in job is referring symbolically to the angels, who witnessed and cheered the creation.

*1 the Word Jesus Christ/the bright and morning star did not at the sideline witness and cheer the creation, He performed it.


*2
at rev 22:16 Jesus is referred to symbolically as "the bright and morning star" which is the planet venus, and in appearance it is larger and brighter than the stars/angels

[s]Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.[/s]

the morning stars/angels cheered the creation:

Job 38:7  When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?


**3
the lord Jesus Christ performed the creation:

Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Col 1:16  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 
Col 1:17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 



Rev 22:16  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. 


just a couple of tidbits on that verse that you mentioned:

1. Jesus is the root of david, david sprung forth from Jesus his root/his creator.
2. Lord Jesus is not a angel, but sent His angel/the angel of the Lord to john


**4
The Word, the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is a messanger for His Father, but is not a angel being
who are also messangers and warriors as well etc.

the Word Jesus created all the angels and everything else that was created,
nothing was created without the Word Jesus, showing that *4
He Himself is not a angel and is not created. john 1:3, col 1:16-17

[s]of course you false jw do the twist on that, and add and take away from the Word of God[/s]

1
Job 38:7, for your mind, the morning Star Jesus did not rejoice,he cried and mourned
Yahweh His Father and Creator the happy God blessed His creation. Genesis 1:30-31.
Trinity sold your thinking cap

**2
This LYING Dullard says Jesus the morning Star is planet venus

KNOWMORE56:
I checked the quotation to see if it contains something related to our discussion, but I'm disappointed:

*. Acts 9: 6 "KJV:And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
11
[b]KJV:And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: [/b]for, behold, he prayeth,"

In the military, I said, there is something called OBEY THE LAST COMMAND.

Followers of Christ are soldiers, so we adopt the principle of OBEY THE LAST COMMAND:
*. Ephesians 2:25 "KJV:Yet I supposed it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus, my brother, and companion in labour, and FELLOWSOLDIER, but your messenger, and he that ministered to my wants."

*. 2 Timothy 2:3 "KJV:Thou therefore endure hardness, as a GOOD SOLDIER OF JESUS CHRIST."

*. Philemon 1:2 "KJV:And to our beloved Apphia, and Archippus our FELLOWSOLDIER, and to the church in thy house:"

So, I'm still asking you ARE YOU ALSO JESUS' WITNESS?

Yes, give reason
No, give reason. It's as simple as that.

bixton:
Yes I'm fond of arguing.

There's actually no argument about Acts 3:12:15.



I hope also you don't have to argue this!!!!

John.14.6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me

Image123:
Liar, well that is the usual hypocrite's way. Where did you see me accusing, abusing, insulting and cursing anyone not to mention a believer? i saw your so called unity in the other threads where Jano and co were mistakenly replying you. Not impressed.

Image123:
Let peace start with you, you don't seem capable of any peace without looking for us to tell us about how Jwickedness is the best church. Funny to see a weird thread in my name BTW. Jo, be careful oh.

bixton:
It's easy to say Peter is a JW but you can never say or admit that Peter is a witness to Christ!!!!!!

Ihedinobi3:
Hello.

Given that our spirits return to the Lord to answer to Him (Ecclesiastes 12:7), yes, this prayer of Stephen's means that he believed that Jesus is God.

However, there is far more concrete evidence of the Deity of Jesus Christ in the Bible.

6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
Heb 1:6 — Heb 1:12 (KJV)

The above is just one of the many pieces of evidence.