₦airaland Forum

https://www.revisedenglishversion.com/Psalms/chapter45/6

Your throne is God forever and ever.
A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. Bible
“Your throne is God forever and ever.” This verse is quoted in Hebrews 1:8. Another similar and strong possibility for the translation is “Your throne is from God,” or “Your throne is a throne of God” (The Expositor's Bible Commentary).

“Your throne is God forever” means that God is the authority, the “throne” of the king, and the king reigns with the authority of God. This king, and by extension the Messiah, the true king of Israel, has been graced and blessed by God (Ps. 45:2). In that light, it is appropriate that this king recognizes that God is the source of his kingly authority, which is the point of Psalm 45:9. Psalm 45 is a royal wedding psalm for a Davidic king, perhaps even Solomon, and by extension, some of it applies to the Messiah. He is called “the king” and “Solomon” in this commentary entry for ease of understanding, but another Davidic king may be in mind (see commentary on Ps. 45:9, “the queen”).

The Hebrew text of Psalm 45:6 is open to a number of different interpretations and translations. Allen Ross writes: “…there are at least five plausible interpretations” (Kregel Exegetical Library: A Commentary on the Psalms, Vol. 2). Given the possible translations, we may never be able to say, “This is the single correct interpretation,” but we can give evidence for what seems to be the most viable translation and interpretation.

To understand Psalm 45:6, we must first learn some facts about it. For example, the speaker is the psalmist, not God. The psalmist speaks about God in the third person, for example, “God has blessed you forever” (Ps. 45:2), and “God has anointed you” (Ps. 45:7). Some people think God is the speaker, but the text argues against that. Also, the psalm is a “dual prophecy” psalm. The subject of the psalm is the king of Israel, both the Davidic king who reigns on David’s throne (likely Solomon), who marries and has children (see commentary on Ps. 45:9) and also the Messiah, the “greater David” who will eventually inherit the throne forever. Thus, some verses in the psalm more clearly point to the Messiah while others more clearly point to the Davidic king, such as the ones about him having a queen, being married and having sons.

Scriptures that have dual fulfillments occur in a number of places in the Bible. For example, God’s promise to David about his throne applies most immediately to Solomon but also applies to the Messiah (2 Sam. 7:11-14). Isaiah gave a prophecy that was fulfilled in the time of Ahaz but also applied to the Messiah (Isa. 7:14). Hosea 11:1 applied both to Israel and Jesus.

Trinitarians generally claim that Psalm 45:6 (and Heb. 1:8 where it is quoted) is one of the stronger verses in the Bible showing that Jesus is God, but the evidence does not support their claim. However, since many English versions translate the verse in a way that supports Trinitarian doctrine, it is fitting to address that idea first. It is worth pointing out that Psalm 45 was God’s revelation to the Jews to inform them about their king, and the Jews read the Psalm for centuries and knew it was ultimately about their Messiah, but never concluded that the Messiah was “God in the flesh” or part of a Triune God. That the Jews knew that Psalm 45 ultimately referred to their Messiah is preserved in their writing. For example, the Targum (an Aramaic commentary on the Old Testament) interprets Psalm 45:2 as, “Thy beauty, O king Messiah, is greater than that of the sons of men” (Alfred Edersheim, The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah, William B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., Grand Rapids, MI. Part two, p. 718). So if God gave the revelation to His people to tell them the Messiah would be God, His effort was an epic failure, and that is good evidence that the psalm is not saying the Messiah was God in the flesh[/b].

Most Trinitarians say that God is the speaker in Psalm 45:6, and the verse should be translated as, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever.” In doing that they assert that God (assumed to be the Father) is addressing the Messiah and referring to him as “God” (assumed to be “God the Son”). But that interpretation does not fit the theology of the Old Testament or the Bible as a whole, and it does not fit the internal evidence in the psalm itself.

As we saw above, the speaker of the psalm is not God, but the psalmist. So this verse is not “God the Father” speaking to “God the Son.” Also, the Old Testament says in many places the Messiah would be a man, the servant of God (cp. the “servant songs” in Isaiah), and there are a number of statements in Psalm 45 that show that the king in the psalm is not God, but is a human being. For example, Psalm 45:2 says, “You are the most beautiful of the sons of men,” thus identifying him as a human by using the common idiom for a human, “son of man,” and then going on to say, “God has blessed you forever.” In saying that this “son of man” (human being) has been blessed by God, the psalm gives even more evidence that the king being referred to is not God. There is no evidence in Scripture for God being blessed by God, and there does not seem to be a reason or need for that, but humans do need to be blessed by God and are often so blessed in Scripture.

Furthermore, since Psalm 45 contains dual prophecies (as we saw above), and Psalm 45:6-7 apply both to Solomon and the Messiah, if the verse is calling the king “God,” then that would make both Solomon and the Messiah God, which is untenable, and there is no internal reason to apply Psalm 45:6 to the Messiah without verse 7 applying to the same king. That would be eisegesis, reading into the verse to make it fit one’s theology. If the psalm is calling the Messiah “God,” then the Davidic king is also God. Robert Alter, in The Hebrew Bible: A Translation with Commentary, translates Psalm 45:7 as “Your throne of God is forevermore,” and he writes in the commentary, “Some construe the Hebrew here to mean, ‘Your throne, O God,” but it would be anomalous to have an address to God in the middle of the poem because the entire psalm is directed the king or to his bride.”

More evidence that the psalm is speaking of a human king is in Psalm 45:7, which says, “You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness. Therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of exultation above your peers.” That the text calls God, “your God,” i.e., the king’s God, shows that the king is inferior to God. “God” does not have a God.

Furthermore, the king’s God “anointed” him, setting him above his “peers.” This is evidence against a Trinitarian interpretation of the verse for a number of reasons. One is that “God” does not have any peers to be set above, whereas the human king of Israel, including the Messiah, does have peers. The Messiah, Jesus Christ, did have peers because he was completely human and not a God-man as Trinitarian theology asserts

BUSHYANUS:
Acts 7:59
And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”


This is like saying

...As he was calling on the President and saying, " Mr. Buhari, have mercy on me."

What do you think?

Your KJV Bible DUBIOUSLY inserted "God" into Acts 7:59.

Take note of that fraud.( Screenshot evidence)
Stephen saw Jesus at the right hand of God.
Also, note the implications of Stephen's statement- Jesus is not God Almighty.

Enskynelson:
Aside this verse there are a lot more verses that supports this.
John1:1; John1:14;
John 10:30
John 8:58
Colosians 2:9
And lot more...

None of the verses support your claim.
John 1:1, God spoke the word "let there be light", there came to be light" before that statement, did Light exist?
Is Light God?
When God had not spoke "the Word", did that person (the Word) exist?

John 1:14, the Word,a spirit being became flesh, so what ?
John 1:18, John5:37 , John 6:46 ,did Jesus tell you "my God & your God" (John 20:17 became flesh?

John 10:30 = John 17:22,23.
John 8:18 who is the Father that sent your "I am" of John 8:58?
John 8:19, who is the Father of your Almighty "I am"?

Exodus 3:14-15, Acts3:13,please tell this forum why your "I am" is the servant/son of "I am " ,himself?

Colossians 2:9= Colossians 2:10 " the same fullness" dwells in the disciples.
You must apply your claim on verse 9 to the disciples in verse 10. Do you agree the disciples is God?

livingchrist:
Peter is not a Jehovah false witness.
A dog like you and Jehovah witness governing council can never be yahweh's witness.
You are are brood of vipers and liars like your father the devil.

For calling a human being a "dog", bros you stepped out of line.

May Jehovah in his infinite mercies, forgive you.

Matthew12:15-18,Acts 3:12-15 & Isaiah 43:10-12 (ASV) Peter is a JW, a servant of Jehovah, just as Jesus is Servant of Jehovah the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Until you prove to this forum that Acts 3:12-15, Matthew 12:15-18 & Isaiah 43: 10-12 is not in your Bible, every expletives in your post applies to you.

The OP is a renowned WAILER on JW affairs.
Lef am to exercise his right to WAIL joor.
Sifia pains since 19gbidigbidi

Let him prove that 1 Corinthians 15:12, Luke 24:21 and 1Samuel 16:6,10 is not in his Bible.
.

bixton:
Interesting.......
Just so you know dents no matter what can't limit the power of God in His children.

So whose 2 names not 3 will be written on the heads of the 144000?

Revelation 14:1 and Revelation 3:12 is in your Bible but you have a fondness for argument.

johnw47:
jw mad max, oh horizontal one

God is Holy (Psa_99:9) God is a Spirit (john 4:24) = God is the Holy Spirit

if anyone say like your fore fathers the pharisees said: that the Holy Spirit in Jesus is
the spirit of beelzebub/the devil (Mat 12:24) then their blasphemy will never be forgiven

and yet you say the Holy Spirit is not a person/is not God

[s]there is no fool like a false jw fool, believing all your deceived masters tell you
[/s]


Psa_99:9  Exalt the LORD our God, and worship at his holy hill; for the LORD our God is holy.

Joh_4:24  God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Mat 12:24  But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

You resort to sweeten post with a FALSE claim .
Jesus Christ replied you and the Pharisees
@ Luke 11:20 & Matthew 12:28,
But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you"

The finger of God is not a person just as the eyes/ears of God is not a person.

Bros, continue DECEIVING yourself .

KNOWMORE56:
Make your submission clear for readers nau, Jesus said YE SHALL BE WITNESSES UNTO ME... Acts 2:8

1. Are you Jesus' witness?

2. What are the CHARACTERISTICS OF THE ONLY TRUE GOD?

Many more are coming o o

John 9:4, John 20:17, Isaiah 43:10-12, Matt12:15-18, Jesus Christ and all Jehovah's Servants are working for their God.
In the book of Acts, we have shown you what it means to witness for Jesus.
Bros, no dey stress yourself .

*Jehovah is NOT anyone's servant. Isaiah 6:8.
Jesus and every JW is Jehovah's Servant.

* Jehovah alone is given worship. Matthew 4:10.
You "Jesus witness" have been trying so hard to disprove Jesus instructions at Matthew 4:10 (he quoted from Deut 6:13 ) .

Matthew 24:36 , Jesus told you his knowledge is limited. He doesn't know everything.
Jehovah's knowledge is superlative, Rom 11:33.
Jehovah God is immortal.
Matthew 27:46, Jesus is not immortal,it now makes too much SENSE

Bros , do you want more ?

KNOWMORE56:
*1
Get the understanding of what I'm saying. For instance, if it is said that the planet Earth has ONLY one moon; then, whatever shapes it appears or whichever place/country/land you view it from, it is still the same moon.

Because it is generally agreed that planet Earth has only one moon.

If you begin to point out the difference between full moon and crescent moon, I will take note of your point but I know it is the same moon.

Note the emphasis on ONLY, not two.

*2
JESUS gives me Life and this life is not just ordenary life but EVERLASTING LIFE. John 10:10
Only the true God gives life.

*3
As you dey reject Jesus so, na life you dey reject o o!

JESUS is my life. Is He your life?

Janosky, is Jesus your life?

*. Colossians 3:4 "KJV:When CHRIST, who IS OUR LIFE, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory."

John 4:24, God is a spirit. Those worshipping Him (God)....."
Bros , Spirit has how many parts?

Bros, drop your analogy for dustbin


*2.
John 5:26, Bros who gave everlasting life to Jesus Christ?

*3.
Bros, please stop making FALSE claim.
Can you count the number of times JWs have referred you to Join 17:3 & John 20:17,30-31 when they reply to your posts?

You have to explain John 3:16,36 to this forum.
What did Jesus say about worshippers of Trinity?

Myer:
The concept of Trinity seems to elude most Christians.
There's the God Head, the Supreme being.
Then God the Son, that came to die for man to have eternal life.
Then God the Holyspirit, the Helper, Convicter, etc.

These 3 are different entities but bear witness as one. Meaning they agree on all matters.

They are not the same 1 person.
Otherwise it would be wrong for God to say Let "US" create man in OUR image and likeness.

Also it makes no sense that Stephen would see Jesus Christ seated on the right hand on God.

It makes no sense that John in Revelation also saw God and Jesus as 2 separate entities.

Your friend KNOWMORE56 doesn't agree with the darkened portions in your post.

The Bros said "Jesus is the only true God", his Father.
The Bros is telling this forum that Jesus lied @John 17:3 & 20:17.

Genesis 1:1-26 and Job 38:1-7 , at that point, did man exist?

Genesis 1:26, "Let us create man", God spoke to Jesus Christ. Hebrew 1:2 confirmed that. "God created the Universe THROUGH His Son".

Questions for you,Bros:
Who made the statement in Job 38:1-7?

Job 38:7 and Revelation 22:16, who is the morning Star?

Job 38:1-7 , who were present & rejoiced at the creation of the universe?
Where those at Job 38:7 present when God Almighty said "Let us make man" at Genesis 1:26?

Genesis 1:27 , Bros did your Bible says "God created man in their image" ?
Genesis 1:27, is the God of creation, HE or Triune?
Can you now see that God was not speaking to Trinity godheads ?

You said God died for man, @ Matthew 27:43,46, is God crying to another God ? Is God crying to himself?

Bros , please respond

KNOWMORE56:
.

Officer, explain to your brother the importance of OBEY THE LAST COMMAND and the consequences of disobedience to the LAST COMMAND.

Bros, who gave the command to Saul (Paul) @Acts 9:6 & to Ananias @ Acts 9:11?

Bros, you have ADDED your own LAST COMMAND to the holy Scriptures
You just dey DECEIVE yourself.

KNOWMORE56:
*. One of the laws in mathematics says if 1(one) is multiplied by itself it remains the same, i.e 1×1×1= 1.

John 16:28 "I CAME FORTH from the Father..."

In my understanding He is saying " I multiplied/increased/project from the Father"

The 1st one(1) is one, 2nd one(1) is one and the 3rd one(1) is one. the same
Whatever description you give to any of them, the same is true for the rest.
This is the law that qualifies Jesus as the true God!



Let's see some of the qualities of the true God:

1. Creator
2. Power
3. Omniscient
4. Everlasting
5. Receiving worship
6. Judge of all
7. Love
8. Life

Wacky, man made theory posing as fact .

You have to dodge John 17:3 and John 20:17 in favour of your man made theory .

Your KJV John 16:28, says " came forth" meaning is " to issue out" ,
When you are asked how many 'issues" you have?
The Bros, go answer say he projected,
Just dey DECEIVE yourself, you hear ;
(John 16:28, came forth/issue out= product/offspring.
For instance, John came forth from the Academy. Meaning John is a product of the Academy. John is not the Academy..)
D

KNOWMORE56:
You or other readers should check many of the quotations you gave. If you read the whole chapter, you'll see that Jesus is been described in His other offices. Example:

*. Acts 2:22 "KJV:Ye men of Israel, hear these words; JESUS OF NAZARETH, A MAN approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
23
KJV:Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
24
KJV:Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

Jesus is called A MAN in this place, so when the written said God raised Him, he is looking at it from His office as a man and not from His office as God.

For more information about JESUS' different offices check

https://www.nairaland.com/6115965/which-following-1-9-jesus

John 4:24, John 17:3, John 5:37, the only true God is a spirit in heaven.

The God and Father of Jesus Christ is NOT an office.
Bros, no dey DECEIVE yourself.

KNOWMORE56:
Read acts 2:8 again. That's His last command before His accession, in the military once you hear OBEY THE LAST COMMAND ..... Your brother, MaxInDhouse can tell you more about it.

*. Acts 1:8 "KJV:But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: AND YE SHALL BE WITNESSES UNTO ME both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."

Jesus said we shall be witnesses unto Him, it you feel He's not serious, it is because of Watch tower in your heart.

But I must OBEY THE LAST COMMAND!

I'm JESUS' witness.

All so called "Jesus witness", what did Jesus teach you at John 7:16, John 20:21 & John 9:4 ?
You all contrived to dodge John 7:16 ,John 20:21 & 9:4. because it's Jesus PROOF your claim on Acts 1:8 is built on quicksand.

Acts 1:8,22. 2:23. 3:13,15. 4:33. 10:39 , the disciples , Jehovah's Servants, were giving "witness that Jesus died and Jehovah our God raised Jesus to Life from the dead.


Bros, you can't change Acts 1:8,22. 2:23. 3:13,15. 4:33. 10:39.
Neither can you change John 9:4, John20:21 and John7:16.

On this thread, you are giving witness that your "triune deity" died on earth, that is NOT "Jesus witness. No connection at all
Bros, where did Jesus teach you that Jehovah died on earth?
Is Matthew 16:13-17, John 20:17 and Matthew 27:43,46 missing in your Bible?
Just continue DECEIVING yourself.

.

Janosky:
* XX*
"He is the Jehovah in the word"
Please tell this forum which Scripture you read that GIBBERISH.

*1. "ME" refers in Acts 1:8 to Jesus.

*2*
Acts 1:22
beginning from John's baptism until the day Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection."

Acts 2:32
God has raised this Jesus to life, to which we are all witnesses.

Acts 3:15
You killed the Author of life, but God raised Him from the dead, and we are witnesses of the fact.

Acts 4:33
With great power the apostles continued to give their testimony (witness) about the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And abundant grace was upon them all.

Acts 10:39
We are witnesses of all that He did, both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem. And although they put Him to death by hanging Him on a tree"

# Acts 1:8,22. 2:23. 3:13,15. 4:33. 10:39 , the disciples gives "witness that Jesus died and Jehovah our God raised Jesus to Life from the dead. (If you believe your "God" died on earth, continue DECEIVING yourself ).
ANSWER to *2.
It depends on what you believe.
Most important,it depends on what your Bible says.
Jnr2020, KNOWMORE56, Iyambz,brocab, etc claim to be "Jesus witness" & by their own admission, can NOT be Jehovah's witness.

What your Bible says:

What your Bible says:
* John 9:4, whose work is Jesus & the disciples doing?

* John 20:21. 17:18, who sent Jesus & the disciples to preach?

* John 7:16. John 15:15. Matt24:14. Mark13:10. Mark 1:14-15 whose doctrine did Jesus & the disciples teach?

*John 20:17. Rev 3:5,12. Matt10:32. Who is the God & Father of Jesus & the disciples?

* Isaiah 43:10-12,21. Revelation 3:12,14. Acts3:13 Matt12:15-18. Act 3:13. John 20:17 According to your Bible, is Jesus a Jehovah's Witness?
*Are the disciples Jehovah's Witnesses?

* Jesus & the disciples are servants of the only true God, Jehovah, John 17:3.
You can NOT be Jehovah's Servant unless Jehovah draws you to worship HIM through Jesus His Son. John 6:44.


Verdict:
Jehovah's Servants give witness that Jesus died and was raised from the dead by Jehovah our God, as it was done in the gospel of Acts.
Not 3 triune idols worshippers shouting "Jesus witness upandan"




@ John 20:17 . Matthew 10:32. Rev 3:5,12.
Jesus Christ is talking.... LISTEN to him.

Those shouting "Jesus witness" upandan ,
did you note that Revelation 3:5 is a repeat of Matthew 10:32 ?
The Son on earth is the same Son in heaven,
Your Bible says"This is my Son, Listen to him..



* 3.
Their exist only one true God..
John 20:17,21,30-31. John 17:3. Revelation 3:5,12.


Bros, kpele

KNOWMORE56:
* XX*
. It's Jesus who said I should witness for Him. He is the Jehovah in the Word....

*. Acts 1:8 "KJV:But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: AND YE SHALL BE WITNESSES UNTO ME both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."

questions:

1. Who is the ME in the verse above?

2. Is "Jesus' witnesses" the same thing as "Jehovah's witnesses"?

3. What are the distinguishing characteristics of this your Jehovah?

MaxInDhouse,
I hope I don't have to wait till Armageddon comes to get the answers.

* XX*
"He is the Jehovah in the word"
Please tell this forum which Scripture you read that GIBBERISH.

*1. "ME" refers in Acts 1:8 to Jesus.

*2*
Acts 1:22
beginning from John's baptism until the day Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection."

Acts 2:32
God has raised this Jesus to life, to which we are all witnesses.

Acts 3:15
You killed the Author of life, but God raised Him from the dead, and we are witnesses of the fact.

Acts 4:33
With great power the apostles continued to give their testimony (witness) about the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And abundant grace was upon them all.

Acts 10:39
We are witnesses of all that He did, both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem. And although they put Him to death by hanging Him on a tree"

# Acts 1:8,22. 2:23. 3:13,15. 4:33. 10:39 , the disciples gives "witness that Jesus died and Jehovah our God raised Jesus to Life from the dead. (If you believe your "God" died on earth, continue DECEIVING yourself ).
ANSWER to *2.
It depends on what you believe.
Most important,it depends on what your Bible says.
Jnr2020, Knowmore56, Iyambz,brocab, etc claim to be "Jesus witness" & by their own admission, can NOT be Jehovah's witness.

What your Bible says:

Nuttella:
Cause you can't speak in tongues doesn't mean its demonic.

The OP, Iyambz is your fellow 3 dogheads worshippers.
Acts 2:44 , 1 Corinthians 1:10, Why is your 3 dogheads not keeping all of you United in the same line of thought and beliefs?

Holy demonic ghost confusing 3 idols spirits devotees

bixton:
Please where are you getting your interpretation from ........where is the two names written on their heads coming from...........

This is NKJV.....
Rev.14.1 - Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father's name written on their foreheads.



Please put your own JW Bible Chapter/verse here. Thank you.

Revelation 3:12 supports NWT rendition.
It's very correct

Revelation 3:12
12 “‘The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name"

The Screenshot evidence attached, is further AUTHENTIC proof.
KJV versions of Revelation 14:1 is not accurate.
Texts Receptus manuscripts is like a pan with many dents.
The dents must manifest in every baked production.


Shalom.

Emusan:
[s]See the Janosense the lying liar JWs like his father the Devil.

I know you lack basic English.
[/s]
Christ is the IMAGE OF GOD.

My question was, where in the scripture this statement appeared, that Jesus bears the Image of anyone?

Jesus is THAT VERY IMAGE man was created after.

Oponu radarada

1 Corinthians 11:7
King James Version
7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man"
* 2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."


Every child bears the image of his Father/Mother.

Every creature, (Jesus/ Angels and Man) bears the image of God, their Supreme Creator.

Mr LIENUS, 2 Corinthians 4:4 and 1Corinthians11:7 is in your Bible, roger that.

Emus LYING Dullard

achorladey:
Isaiah 65:15, Bros go and read the footnotes (plus sign,+) references in your quote of Isaiah 65:15 and STOP DECEIVING yourself........Janos

Of course I will and here is the outcome cited and in pictures below


Isaiah 62:2

2 “The nations will see your righteousness, O woman,a
And all kings your glory.b And you will be called by a new name,c Which Jehovah’s own mouth will designate.

Jeremiah 33:16

16 In those days Judah will be saveda and Jerusalem will reside in security.b And this is what she will be called: Jehovah Is Our Righteousness.’”c


Bros, Jehovah God did NOT, NEVER change the name he gives His servant.......Janos

Even the scriptures you asked me to check it reference(+sign) can't help you here. Your eyes can see NEW NAME and since there is a NEW NAME, it means there was an old name

The old name they were known as as you posit was JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES as recorded in your favorite Isaiah 43: 10-12,21 but here we are Jehovah himself said....."what she will be called: Jehovah Is Our Righteousness" ......Which was Jehovah’s own mouth that designated it.


Me I know TURNCOAT detector don't lie and don't deceive himself . The assignment has been delivered as directed. Mark am turncoat and deceiver detector


By the way, are you(Janos) son of the living God? since only 144,000 can solely be called (sons of the living God) as the organization you belong teaches

Did Jehovah tell you his servants He calls "Jehovah is our Righteousness" are no longer His Witnesses?

Acts 3:13 , Acts 15:14, Revelation 3:14 ,who are Jehovah's Witnesses?

Hebrew 1:5, to which of the Angels did God ever say: "You are my son, today I have become your Father"
Did Jehovah tell you he is no longer the Father of ALL angels ?
Did Jehovah tell you the angels ceased being His Sons ?

No dey DECEIVE yourself

3 dogheads confusing educated, learned folks since 19gbidigbidi.

Revelation 3:5,11,21. 1 Corinthians 15:24-27.
1 chronicles 29:23, Luke 1:31-33. Psalms 110:1-2
The son of God, Jesus sits on the throne of David, his human ancestor.
1 chronicles 29:23,The throne of David is the throne of God.
Psalms 110:1-2, Luke 1:3-33, Jehovah promised to give Jesus power & authority to sit on Jehovah's throne in heaven after Jesus earthly mission is completed.

If you disagree & add your own maggi and spices, that's your business.

Your Almighty God in heaven sits on his Father's throne ,
Slaves of Trinity GIBBERISH

Ihedinobi3:
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I don't believe that I am. I believe that God is One, as the Scriptures teach. And I also believe that there are Three who the One God in essence, as the Scriptures also teach.

8 For this is what the LORD Almighty says: “After the Glorious One has sent me against the nations that have plundered you—for whoever touches you touches the apple of his eye — 9 I will surely raise my hand against them so that their slaves will plunder them. Then you will know that the LORD Almighty has sent me.
10 “Shout and be glad, Daughter Zion. For I am coming, and I will live among you,” declares the LORD. 11 “Many nations will be joined with the LORD in that day and will become my people. I will live among you and you will know that the LORD Almighty has sent me to you. 12 The LORD will inherit Judah as his portion in the holy land and will again choose Jerusalem. 13 Be still before the LORD, all mankind, because he has roused himself from his holy dwelling. ”
Zechariah 2:8-13 (NIV)

As is clear from the above quote, the LORD Almighty is saying that He will be sent by the Glorious One (KJV, NKJV, and NASB severally render the phrase "after glory he" or "after the glory he," but that does not help in understanding. NIV seems correct to me here, and even if we ignored the NIV, who could be sending the LORD Almighty anywhere or who is he for whom Israel is the apple of his eye?) to save Israel out of the hands of those who plundered them. In verses 9 and 11, this is confirmed when He also says that by the Israelites' plundering of the nations that enslaved them and by His living among them (both of which will happen at the Return of Jesus Christ), they would know that the LORD Almighty had sent Him to them.

I know that those who hate the truth will find a way to reject the obvious truth here, namely that there are two Individuals in this passage who are called "the LORD Almighty": the Speaker and the One of whom He speaks. I'm sure that someone will try to argue that it was Zechariah who was speaking and not the Lord Almighty. I'm sure that someone will argue that the Lord was being schizophrenic and talking about the many sides of His single personality. I'm not interested in debating such insane notions. The truth seems to me to be abundantly clear here. Let those who have ears hear.

2 Gods Almighty , where is the 3rd Almighty ?
Eleyi gidigaan of LIENUS.

"Israel is the apple of His eyes " (in the holy Scriptures, NOT "Israel is the apple of their (2 Almighty Gods ) eyes" Trinity GIBBERISH.

Funny as it may be, many Trinitarian adherents & Bible scholars reject your claim.

Whoever dey vex, that's their own cup of tea

Emusan:
[s]You people don't see how foolish your doctrines are, that's why you can open your dirty mouth to defend a doctrine without seeing the negative impact on the other doctrines[/s].

The same people who claimed, Jehovah first created Jesus and used Jesus to create other things, now claiming that Jehovah was ISSUING COMMAND OF CREATION TO HEAVENLY HOSTS.

Which means, Jesus wasn't the only person used to create all other things but ALL THE ANGELS.

[s]This is Ellicott's and Barnes'commentary on Gen 1:26 I know you won't agree with them but will only agree with the part that suits your lying mouth.

Ellicott: "As regards the use of the plural here, Maimonides thinks that God took counsel with the earth, the latter supplying the body and Elohim the soul. But it is denied in Isaiah 40:13 that God ever took counsel with any one but Himself. The Jewish interpreters generally think that the angels are meant. More truly and more reverently we may say that this first chapter of Genesis is the chapter of mysteries, and just as “the wind of God” in Genesis 1:2 was the pregnant germ which grew into the revelation of the Holy Ghost, so in Elohim, the many powers concentrated in one being, lies the germ of the doctrine of a plurality of persons in the Divine Unity.[/color[/s]]

[[s]color=red]BARNES Note: "At the same time he sets it before himself as a thing undertaken with deliberate purpose. Moreover, in the former mandates of creation his words had regard to the thing itself that was summoned into being; as, "Let there be light;" or to some preexistent object that was physically connected with the new creature; as, "Let the land bring forth grass." But now the language of the fiat of creation ascends to the Creator himself: Let us make man. This intimates that the new being in its higher nature is associated not so much with any part of creation as with the Eternal Uncreated himself.[/s]

The truth is you decided to give another meaning to their stance on Job 38:7, which isn't surprising as you're a liar like your father the Devil.

Bros, JWs did not give "another meaning to their stance on Job 38:7
Dump your FALSE claim into the dustbin.

Romans 11:35-36 , Ephesians 4:6The word , Jesus came through the Father of all.
Read your own screenshot, Mr LIENUS
Emusan said :
If God didn't speak, the Word (Jesus) would not come out"
(The Word Jesus is distinct, different from the person of God,his Father.
Jesus NOT the God Almighty, his Father).
Mr LIENUS, If God didn't speak, will light come out? .
Trinity slaves everywhere


Mr LIENUS, Job 38:1-7, did you see Adam during the creation of every thing Yahweh stated in Job 38:1-7 and Genesis 1:1-26 ?
Genesis 1:1-26 and Job 38:1-7, your Bible says Adam did NOT exist !

Genesis 1:26 and Job 38:1-7, ANGELS WERE PRESENT when Yahweh said " Let us make man."
Adam and Eve were the last created by Yahweh.

Hebrew 1:2, John 1:2, Yahweh created the Universe THROUGH (Greek dia) His Son, a morning Star in Job 38:7 and Revelation 22:16.

When did the Word come into existence?
When did Light come into existence?

When God spoke.
Yahweh created light...
Yahweh created the word, His Son.

Emusan:
Where in the scripture this statement appeared, that Jesus bears the Image of anyone?

* 2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."

2 Corinthians 4:4,Mr LIENUS roger that.

achorladey:
Isaiah 65:15, you made the claim

What claim oga turncoat and deceiver detector?


please tell this forum, what's the name in that verse?


Do you agree the name will change from Jehovah's witnesses, na Jehovah himself talk am for Isaiah 65:15 say e go change am and since you claim Jehovah's witnesses is what the ISRAELITES bear up till Isaiah 43: 10 -12, 21

The bearer is a servant of whom?

Servant of Jehovah and the same Jehovah said he will change their name, you agree?

Revelation 3:14, Acts 3:13, who is the God of the faithful witness?

Give me the names in that account?

Acts 15:14, 2 Chronicles 7:14 go and wear goggles make you recognize the name referenced there

Oga turncoat and deceiver detector, bring out these verses and point to the name?


achorladey:


Make I use the scripture wey turncoat and deceiver detector love well well reason with you grin cheesy. This is the Isaiah below

Isaiah 43:10-12,21

“You are my witnesses,”+ declares Jehovah, “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen,+ So that you may know and have faith in me* And understand that I am the same One.+
Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none.+ 11 I—I am Jehovah,+ and besides me there is no savior.”+ 12 “I am the One who declared and saved and made known When there was no foreign god among you.+ So you are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “and I am God.+

21. The people whom I formed for myself So that they might declare my praise.

REALITY tells us this was a direct reference to the ISRAELITES, You agree? If you like agree if you like turn am to turncoat and deceiver your palaver grin

Here is what JEHOVAH DECLARES again about the same people he was talking to in Isaiah 43:10-12

Here is Isaiah 65: 14-15

Isaiah 65:14 Look! My servants will shout joyfully because of the good condition of the heart, But you will cry out because of the pain of heart And you will wail because of a broken spirit. 15 You will leave behind a name that my chosen ones will use as a curse, And the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will put each of you to death, But his own servants he will call by another name;+

LYING mouth of a turn coat

Isaiah 43:10-12,21
You are my witnesses,”+ declares Jehovah, “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen"

Matthew 12:15-18, Revelation 3:14, Acts 15:14, who are the servants of Jehovah?

Bros, Jehovah God did NOT, NEVER change the name he gives His servant.
Matthew 12:15-18, fulfilled during Jesus earthly mission.
Revelation 3:14, Acts 15:14 referenced Jesus post earthly mission.

Isaiah 65:15, Bros go and read the footnotes (plus sign,+) references in your quote of Isaiah 65:15 and STOP DECEIVING yourself.

johnw47:
[s]confused false jw janosky and deceiver
you know i have replied to your confusion on these old posts

however quote the part of my post that you don't agree with
and i will put you straight again oh confused one

Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool:[/s]

Continue sounding like a broken turn table record

johnw47:
truly know nothing false jw janosky, the word is God:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

i have many times posted more verses than that showing that the Word is God
[s]ask and i will post some again oh fraud jw[/s]

The ones you have added your own maggi, onions and spices, for instance the bolded contradictory statements in your post

Revelation 3:5,12, John 20:17 and John 17:3 is the speech of Jesus contradictory to any fake attribution you posted on this forum.
Bros, are you perfect?
Why do you contradict Jesus the perfect son of God, his Father?

johnw47:
so dud fraud jw janosky

the reason "was" is used is because the verse is talking about past tense "in the beginning"

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[s]the Word was, is, and always will be God, .... laughing, what a dum dum

Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool:[/s]

In the ATHANASIAN CREED, only law code of Trinity, your own 3 dogheads worshippers have disowned your FALSEHOOD, WAYO Bros.

It] is clear that in the translation "the Word was God", the term God is being used to denote his nature or essence, and not his person. ... This verse is echoed in the Nicene Creed: "
en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki › John_1:1
John 1:1 - Wikipedia

John 17:3 & John 20:17, Revelation 3:5,12 ,Jesus Christ rejects your FALSEHOOD yesterday today and forever.

johnw47:
false jw janosky
you say every creature in is in God's image, laughing

Jesus is the express image of God, identical, and the only one, oh heap big mumu

[s]fraud jw you are

Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool[/s]:

1 Corinthians 11:7
King James Version
7 [b]For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man"
* 2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

1 Corinthians 11:7 and 2 Corinthians 4:4 says YES !!!!!!!!!!!!
No be only "express image" ,na express way,this WAYO Bros.

johnw47:
[s]very confused false jw janosky

truly the word Jesus raised His body, read the scriptures again i posted

i didn't add anything, oh so dum false jw
truly the word is God, was God, and always will be God, foool


1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool:

so dum janosky[/s]

John 10:18 by the command of his Father.
LYING Dullard DECEIVING himself.

Hebrew 5:7 ,Acts 2:35-36. John 5:26
The truth is bitter and painful to 3 dogheads worshippers
....

johnw47:
denier of Jesus and the Word of God false jw janosky

truly the Word of God/Jesus raised His body just like He said He would

Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Joh 10:17  Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 
Joh 10:18  No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

verses also say God raised up Jesus, the word is God, john 1:1, the word/Jesus raised up Jesus body said like Jesus said He would

u big know nothing mumu fraud janosky



Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool:

* John 10:18 & Hebrew 5:7, John 5:26, LIENUS, whose command raised Jesus to Life?

* Matthew 27:46, Jesus cried and begged himself " my God my God, it's you Me ? "

John 1:1, You had to DUBIOUSLY delete "WAS" & add your own "is"
Bros, You no go repent ?

achorladey:
Make I use the scripture wey turncoat and deceiver detector love well well reason with you . This is the Isaiah below

Isaiah 43:10-12,21

“You are my witnesses,”+ declares Jehovah, “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen,+ So that you may know and have faith in me* And understand that I am the same One.+
Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none.+ 11 I—I am Jehovah,+ and besides me there is no savior.”+ 12 “I am the One who declared and saved and made known When there was no foreign god among you.+ So you are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “and I am God.+

21. The people whom I formed for myself So that they might declare my praise.

REALITY tells us this was a direct reference to the ISRAELITES, You agree? If you like agree if you like turn am to turncoat and deceiver your palaver

Here is what JEHOVAH DECLARES again about the same people he was talking to in Isaiah 43:10-12

Here is Isaiah 65: 14-15

Isaiah 65:14 Look! My servants will shout joyfully because of the good condition of the heart, But you will cry out because of the pain of heart And you will wail because of a broken spirit. 15 You will leave behind a name that my chosen ones will use as a curse, And the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will put each of you to death, But his own servants he will call by another name;+


Since the ISRAELITES initially bears Jehovah's witnesses the (same name you believe we should all bear) and some of them failed in their commission as highlighted in Isaiah 65. JEHOVAH himself said he will bring out an OFFSPRING that would be called by another name?

Oga Janosky the turncoat and deceiver detector, what is that name?


All the scripture below which is captured in your post is to point that Jehovah's servants should bear JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES according to you

Acts 15: 14 take out a people for his name.......Which name?

Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, God of Isaac, God of Jacob? Which name?

Revelation 3:14 The Amen, the faithful and true witness........which name?

Oga Janosky the turncoat and deceiver detector, what is that name? Jehovah said he will call them (according to you what name should Jehovah's servants bear) by another name, what is the name?

Isaiah 65:15, you made the claim, please tell this forum, what's the name in that verse?
The bearer is a servant of whom?

Revelation 3:14, Acts 3:13, who is the God of the faithful witness?

Acts 15:14, 2 Chronicles 7:14 go and wear goggles make you recognize the name referenced there