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achorladey:
Jehovah's Witnesses don't baptize only men and women correct? .


I know you are not confused Janosky the werey peddling brains

MightySparrow:
Indoctrination is destructively powerful. The reason they live in delusion is because they mistake indoctrination for knowledge. The same reason a Muslim professor of biology or medicine to believe that embryo forms from spinal chord.

With all the inaccueracies of interpretations, the Governing Body still keep their flock intact.
Politicians should be learning from JWs' Governing Body.

MiddleDimension:
Why do Jehovah's witnesses denounce infant baptism when their publications support it?

I have been wondering recently

achorladey:
Define infants first make I see your religious organization is baptising men and women

MiddleDimension:
The JW people claim infant baptism is wrong and that an individual cannot be baptised unless they can old enough to know what exactly they are getting into and consent to getting baptised.
Here is a proof of their official stance on infant baptism: https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20111001/Should-Infants-Be-Baptized/
There are many other proofs like the one in their publication ''Rrasoning From The Scriptures'', etc.

Being aware of that, you will be astonished to discover that there are in some of their publications, evidence that shows they are inconsistent with that teaching and implicitly agree that the apostles and ''first century christians'' baptised infants or those who are not old enough to consent to bebaptized.

The first of their publication which shows they are inconsistent with their teaching, is the New World Translation of The Holy Scriptures.

In acts 10:24, it says from the NWT, that: ''The following day he entered into Caes·a·reʹa. Cornelius, of course, was expecting them and had called together his RELATIVES AND CLOSE FRIENDS.''

Apparently, the WatchTower society agrees that the greek word ''Οικια'' means ''relatives'' which [bx]DEFINITELY[/b] include infants or toddlers, those who would be considered by the WT society as incapable of giving consent and therefore, should be excluded from baptism.

What is my evidence for this bold claim?

Here it is!

In the JW's publication ''Lessons We Can Learn From The Bible'', there is an article titled ''Cornelius Recieves The Holy Spirit''. https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-stories-lessons/14/cornelius-receives-holy-spirit/

In that article, there are children the age of which the JW ministers will not give baptism as they are not ''capable of consenting to it''.

No, according to the same acts of apostles, all those Cornelius called together, including those infants and children you see in that picture, spoke in tongues.

It says: ''While Peter was still speaking about these matters, the holy spirit came upon ALL THOSE HEARING THE WORD for they heard THEM speaking in tongues''
Acts 10: 44 - 44.

Then, Peter said: ''can anyone now stop them from being baptized, since we have seen for ourselves how they have recieved the spirit as we have...''

Then he commanded that all of those people, uncluding the children in the picture be baptized.

In conclusion:

The JWs preach that infant baptism is wrong because as they say: ''one should be able to consent to recieve baptism''. Well, the scriptures we have read even from the JW published New World Translation, shows that's not true and that children like the picture in that article shows, were also baptized since they spoke in tongues like the apostles spoke on the day of pentecost.

Any JW who still want to dispute what I have put here should ask if the WT society made a mistake putting kids in that picture.

@achorladey @MaxInDHouse @Duro4chang

You just want attention to be WAILING upandan about JW's.

Did your own Bible mention the names of believers who got baptism?
Yes.

Did your own Bible mention the names of an infant who was baptized?
Definitely not.

Even 12 years old Jesus preaching in the temple, his parents addressed him as "child".

You don't even know the difference between infant and children.
Confused WAILING WAILER deceiving himself.

MightySparrow:
Anything religion does not atimes go with common sense. An illiterate somewhere will indoctrinate a professor, and in the name of religion would swallow the rubbish Lin hook and sinker, just to discover that same thing has been changed by 'New Lights' ten times in his lifetime.

Indoctrination is a powerful tool, Governing Body is a master trickster.

achorladey:
When I saw the title of the thread I know Jehovah's witnesses won't bother at all to counter it simply because they know one area they show double face and hypocrisy is the baptism of children of which they condemn others for.


In the screenshot contain a piece of their religious publications, they stated men and women were getting baptized


Asked them, do they see baptism of children as low as 9 years old men and women?

WeirdAlien:
Remove the log from your eye before complaining about splinter in another person's eye. The fact that you're not JW doesn't mean the doctrines you follow don't have serious flaws you may be blind to.

I am not JW in any way. But to start criticizing a denomination as justification for yours means you don't know what you stand for.

Your question would be a lot better if you ask for opinions about infant baptism, or if you just state your views and respond to others' reactions.

Emusan:
Shameless lying liar.

Below is a direct message from your own gods in Warwick.

Things to know!

1. The Title which asked: "What did Jesus do before he came to the Earth?"

2. The last part which says: "He served as the Word.

Now that your own organization claimed Jesus has been the WORD of God before coming to Earth.

Why did you lie that Jesus only became the Word of God after his mission on earth?

Let's see the person his blood is getting hot right now

Your Trinitarian mentors are teaching you before he came to the earth,your Jesus is the angel of Yahweh (YHWH "the LORD".

Jesus The Word is an angel.

MUMU WAILING WAILERS inseparable from delusion and tantrums.

Naudeyrushme:
With two second half goals against Bahrain, from Daichi Kamada of Crystal Palace FC and star man Take Kubo of Real Sociedad, the samurai blue as they are fondly called successfully secured their participation in the forth coming FIFA World Cup Competition.

They currently sit top of Group C in the last phase of qualifiers in the Asian Continent with a total of 19points from six wins and a draw. Their closest rivals Australia are at 10 points.

Hajime Moriyasu will be competing in their eight consecutive world cup tournament.


Picture from fifa.com

Gabrielshow24:
Now you invariably proved Christ as God!
As far as anyone is concerned to do anything you need wisdom!
Hence God couldn't do anything without his son🙃—the wisdom of God, Word of God and Jesus Christ 👀

Thank you very much for making this clearer🤣🤣🤣

MaxInDHouse:
Paul said Christ is the WISDOM that's speaking there o:

However, to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God. 1Corinthans 1:24

Gabrielshow24:
Now you invariably proved Christ as God!
As far as anyone is concerned to do anything you need wisdom!
Hence God couldn't do anything without his son🙃—the wisdom of God, Word of God and Jesus Christ 👀

Thank you very much for making this clearer🤣🤣🤣

After reading the Bible chapter and verse, this Kiddo must say his personal assumptions exactly conflicting against the rendition of his own Bible.

Him Bible na souvenir, not for diligent study.

Gabrielshow24:
Since when I have known you on this platform.
I have never seen you answer a question intellectually!!!

Do you have kids?
And you hope for your children to resemble you?👀 I forbid that for them, God forbid!!!
You and little children should be in the same class.

You say one thing this time when caught, you say another!
You also go to extraordinary lengths to defend faulty premises and as a last form of "your failed defense" you start attacking the character of your opponent.

Don't you know better?
Or you just can't help it?

Bible truth: Hebrew 1:2 "God created the Universe"
Gabrielshow24 intellectually: "Jesus is the creator"


MUMU Kid deceiving himself.

achorladey:
Werey peddling brains wants to start backtracking as usual when they are caught in lies and manipulations packed into their werey peddling brains. In your own case whenever you are hanged you run to question that has no correlation with whatever that was said as a means to

1. Deflect
2. Hide the lies and run away

See below....



When the discussion started your werey peddling brains knows that I am not talking about Jesus and Pharisees.



Because your madness and insanities peddling wants to make it a battle between truth and falsehood placing trinitarians in the land of pharisees and falsehood and your GODS of men housed in USA in the land of Jesus and truth.



That's why the day I asked you and your committee of worst fools on Nairaland, do those you call Christendom teach the truth y[/b]ou ran away with your werey peddling brains. A testament of your werey peddling brains. Even when you believe they are not your mentor, I know your mode of operation is not different na your delusions and being a typical pharisaical organization that makes your werey peddling brains thinks you are special



That I have equally gone against those same people you love to call Christendom confirms your mumu and and werey peddlings on Nairaland. Until you go against your GODS of men housed in USA then we can have a new conversation. For now your still peddling werey on Nairaland.

Emusan:
So is Jesus not The WORD of God before coming to Earth?

achorladey:
MaxInDHouse one of Jehovah's Witnesses agreed with Trinitarians that Jesus is Angel Michael which means they have a one line of thought with false Christians and will readily reference the works of false Christians as truth

achorladey:
When their werey peddling brains get hanged they go the way of insult and start throwing Bible verse around. Emusan is just reasoning alone for now without scriptural reference.

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂after asserting that King James might not put "The God" in John 1:1 due to grammatical accuracy but you put "The man" in your analogy of John 1:1 and there is no grammatical error. So kindly tell us the possible grammatical error that can arise from putting "The God" in the king James version of John 1:1.

achorladey:
Even the JaNosense aka Janosky agree Trinitarians are your mentors in terms of principles regarding beliefs raised from the scriptures.

This is an acknowledgement of having one line of thought with Trinitarians, false Christians and christendom regarding doctrines as it concerns Jesus being Angel Michael and those Trinitarians equally believe that Angel Michael = Jesus is God.

Emusan:
So when the LIFE WAS TRANSFORMED, the spiritual body died in heaven.

Also, you can't transform something into another thing without SOMETHING RETAINING from what you're transforming from.

Definitely, Jesus can't be COMPLETELY HUMAN without RETAINING HIS SPIRIT BEING.

No, not me!

That's the scripture.

John 1:1 "In the BEGINNING was The WORD..."

John 1:14 "...and The Word became flesh"

As you can see, Jesus being The Word transcends his Earthly mission as it was THE WORD who became flesh.

You lied.

Emusan:
Travel is different from TRANSFORM

Anyways, now that the position Tinubu was before He traveled is the HIGHEST, when Tinubu returned and was PROMOTED which position will he get now?

achorladey:
Assumptions and speculation that lacks no concrete evidence. Word for word nowhere it is said Jesus is Michael in prehuman existence
They only do when it favours them.

He did not know that since Jesus was never revealed as Michael in the Bible he should not be propagating assumptions and speculation packed into his brains

achorladey:
Assumptions and speculation that lacks no concrete evidence. Word for word nowhere it is said Jesus is Michael in prehuman existence

Emusan:
Jesus is the Creator so He can't be angel Michael.

You never even addressed my questions.
So, the position was ERASED.

Do you agree?

Emusan:
So the same PERSON who was an angel in heaven is the SAME person here on earth.

Well my question was:

"Does that mean there's no Angel called Michael again?



His name REMAINS MICHAEL yet your claim was; "...after his earthly mission he now bears Jesus and that's the only name given through which we can be saved!"



So NO ANGEL MICHEAL that means he's position was erased, and this should be God's mouth PIECE


See confuse doctrine

John 1:29,In your Bible is Jesus Christ the Lamb when he had not sacrifice his life?
Yes.
Is Jesus Christ the Lamb after he sacrificed his life?
Yes.
Emusan MUMU, confused by Trinitarians.

Emusan:
You agreed that Michael was prehuman NAME and the new name after earthly mission is JESUS.

Now:

1. Does that mean there's no Angel called Michael again?

2. Why was the name MICHEAL USED in Rev 12:7 which is after Jesus earthly mission?

3. Since the being in heaven completely became 100% human on earth and NOTHING is divine in him anymore while on earth, does that means there's no Angel called Michael during the period Jesus was on earth?

Emusan:
But The son was the one carrying out the activities of the CREATION.

Well that verse was talking about The Son in human nature.

In what realm did God command his Son to do the earthly ministry?

Emusan LYING miscreant,allow your deluded brain to function.

Emusan:
Who BREATH IN THE NOSTRIL OF ADAM?
That shows that The Son is God who created Them.

Emusan:
The UNIVERSE was created through, so will the Son be PART OF THE UNIVERSE?
My question, will the person be PART OF THE UNIVERSE?

Is the last born of every creature a creature?
Yes.
Is the first born of every creature a creature?
Yes.

Except the gene for self deceit & faithless miscreants is embedded in you.

Emusan:
The point here is THE UNIVERSE.

You agreed it through another person.

So will the person be PART OF THE UNIVERSE?

The person is the CREATOR.

Oponu JaNosense.

How can you CREATE SOMETHING THROUGH ANOTHER PERSON BUT THE PERSON who is actually carrying the activities ISN'T THE CREATOR?

Emusan Clinging tight to pride and delusion rather than Hebrew 1:2, in his Bible.

John 5:19 "the son can NOT do anything of his own initiative."

Mark 10:6 "God created THEM" not his son.
Hebrew 1:2 "God created the Universe."

Mark & John the apostle were taught by his son, Jesus Christ teaching them his Father's commanded, John 12:49-50
Emusan NOT agree with Jesus.

Emusan:
Good! Why did you remove the son?

Which means the Song wasn't part of the UNIVERSE?



Did the Son part of what He was Created?

Untill you answer that JaNosense

Emusan:
Good! Why did you remove the son?

Which means the Song wasn't part of the UNIVERSE?

Did the Son part of what He was Created?

Untill you answer that JaNosense

Emusan:
Through who?

Oponu JaNosense

See the shameless lying liar JaNosense who deliberately remove THE SON from Heb 1:2

Emusan:
My logis is that, a creature can never be the Creator.

The evidence from the scripture which you also agreed with is that Jehovah used Jesus to create the UNIVERSE
[s]which includes ALL THE ANGELS i.e Michael
[/s]
Jesus is the Creator the UNIVERSE according to JaNosense.

You can't force what is not in the scripture into it.

Emusan:
If your brain is not paining you and full of dust, you should know that, the fact remains that Watchtower did what those Trinitarians did.

Do you agree with those Trinitarians what they did?

Let see how your hypocrisy mouth will sound this time?