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QuinQ:
He is God same way your son has your nature but not you. He is divine but not the Father

QuinQ:
So educate us, is SON same as SERVANT?
Also see this below about Moses

Emusan:
The challenge is to provide screenshot evidence that God and Angels have the same NATURE.

Why are you afraid of that?

QuinQ:
You keep reposting the same low IQ ramble. Do you think it's so impressive or what?

You’ve been taught that the Bible CANNOT be cherrypicked because you can isolate any quote from the Bible that'd be quite deceptive when viewed in isolation. If you also add possible errors from translation and manipulation it becomes clear why you can't cherrypick.
David and the prophets constantly refered to themselves as servants.
On the other hand, PAUL (not Christ or any other disciples) is TRANSLATED as referring to Jesus as servant once.
You ignore all the mountain of pronouncements by all and sundry including Jesus Himself that he was no servant but SON, and instead cling to that! Christ even gave a parable in Matthew 21:33–46, making clear He's SON, not servant!

Emusan:
That is it!
It's a doctrine that has no Biblical support.

Emusan:
But you can't provide screenshot evidence to support your claim that God and Angels have the same NATURE

delkuf:
so this guy has finally agreed that Jesus is angel Micheal is the doctrine of there organization after years he has arguing about.

For those he has misled he has admitted it. It is not a biblical doctrine but a doctrine of jw.

Trinitarians knew that Jesus Christ is archangel Michael many many centuries ago as far back as Martin Luther era of Protestant Reformation.
Baptist Clergyman Charles Spurgeon a firm believer in Jesus Christ archangel Michael doctrine said "study the word of God & put your faith in it" , including the teaching of Jesus is archangel Michael.


Oga, go and learn.
The evidence full ground well well.
Screenshots

QuinQ:
😅This is beyond cherry-picking, this is more like ridiculously looking for needle in haystack. David, Moses, etc constantly called themselves servants and are constantly called servants by others. No one ever addressed Jesus as servant. Instead He was confessed as Son of God and He said that was 100% correct!
Now, Ezekiel was also constantly called "Son of man". Someone like you will cherrypick that as proof he was same as Christ!

Emusan:
God and Satan are not Equal as a Spirit Person just as Human and Dog not Equal as a Physical Being.

So, The Nature of God is different from the Nature of Satan.

Remember you have agreed that Jesus has God's Nature.

Does Jesus has Satan's Nature too?



Reason why you couldn't answer my question


How do you HONOR JEHOVAH?

Very simple question.

Let's see if you OBEY JESUS

Sand2022:
In your JW Library study pane, your organization agrees that Jesus pre human existence is referenced in that Isaiah 6:1-3. They only added that his father was there too. This agrees with my post. In fact that study pane even quoted Genesis 1:26 and that implies that jesus is part of the God there.

MaxInDHouse:
During World War 1, soldiers stopped fighting for one day on Christmas.
They came out of their trenches, shared food and, even played games together. The next day the war started again.

Walahi talahi this is the funniest post on this forum!

After destroying lives and properties they bow to Christmas but later continued fighting and killing against the commandment given by the One called Christ {John 13:34-35} shey?

Ọmọ now i understand you better!

Your wisdom should be rated ***** 1Corinthans 3:19-20

Emusan:
But no one claimed: "honor translates to EQUALITY".

The point is, you give THE SAME HONOR to both because they are EQUAL.

Emusan:
I do and I will always do.

Do you believe Jesus when He said you should HONOR HIM JUST AS you Honor the Father?

The key phrase here is "JUST AS"

The assignment I always give you people and never carry out is:

When you get to your hall, walk up to any elder and tell him "Sir, as from today I want you to respect me JUST AS YOU RESPECT your father"

Let's see how it will go.



This is about POSITION not NATURE.


Capital NO!

Do you HONOR Jehovah by Worshipping Him?



Yes! In my explanation because worship is part of HONOR we give to God.

Do you want Watchtower reference about how worship is part of HONOR given to Jehovah?



I never assume or equate honor to worship.

Rather, I said worship is part of how we HONOR GOD.

Jesus demands EQUAL HONOR as given to The Father.

Which means, if you Honor The Father through Worship Jesus Christ said it's not complete without given Him the same Honor.

The question is, how do you Honor The Father?

Emusan nxpost=135215967:
Jesus' statement in John 14:28 is about position just as my Father is greater than my Mother in position when it comes to family affair.

So, the question is do you Honor Jesus Christ JUST AS you Honor Jehovah?

Don't forget to Honor Jehovah you .must worship and praise Him.

No! Bible never asks us to HONOR our parents JUST ASnm we HONOR GOD.

Emusan nxpost=135215967:
To do this means we should worship our parents because worshipping is part of how we Honor God according to Watchtower.

Emusan nxpost=135215967:
Do you see and understand the content of John 14:28 and 1 Corin 11:3 now?



I do the question is, do you allow the same Holy Scripture to guide you?

You know Jesus is asking for EQUAL HONOR and to Honor Jehovah means you must worship Him.

True or false?

Emusan:
Very right!

because my Father and my Mother are equal per human Nature.

Emusan:
Which means Jesus statement in that John 5:23 shows both the Father and Jesus are EQUAL reason why Jesus is demanding the SAME HONOR.

No creature can do that.

MrPresident1:
New World Translation of the Holy Bible of the Jehovah witness organization of America is the correct Bible smh

Sand2022:
That's not what jesus was saying there. The glory he was tling his father was the one he gave them already on earth. This glory will help them to be United with the Father and Jesus. At John 17:5 is a glory prior to the World's creation.

At Isaiah 6;1-3 we see the glory jesus enjoyed, worship was included. If you read the scriptures honestly if will help you better.

Sand2022:
I don't see how I chose to worship my God is your concern. Did I dedicate my life to you to do your will? If you dedicated your life to an organization to do their will, that is your business. If I see someone preaching the word of God, I will listen to the word. I don't care the church name. If you're on fire for jesus, you're my brother, it doesn't matter the church the word is coming from, if it is consistent with the bible, I am in.

I have said it time without number, I am not into institution name, I am for Christ. Don't tell me join A or B. I am join to someone already, Christ my Savior. If you belong to GB or belong to Russel or Rutherford. I belong to Christ.

Truthseeker10:
Does a soul have a body? How can the soul reason and suffer without a brain?

MrPresident1:
Stupid hellfire doctrines scare no one anymore. If it did, people would be a bit more afraid to do evil, but see what we have in society. Stupid hellfire doctrines are no longer enough to put people in check, rational people realise that God does not literally incinerate dead people. But it is a symbolic use of language. This is all about the soul. The soul that sinneth it shall die, this death is separation from the spirit of God.

Hell is right here on this earth ands it is a condition of human existence, people whos spirit and souls have been separated from God and living a hopeless toilsome life are the people in hell. [b]The Bible says that nations that forget God shall be turned into hell.

You cannot preach hell to Nigerians who are already in hell abi are they toiling and living a meagre life in American or British as we are doing here? Is this why people are japaing to those places? You better give yourself understanding

Jokerman, perish your hellfire doctrine, it doesn't cut sh!t anymore.

MrPresident1:
Lol Eleri jehofa and their twisted bible and lies. Why are there no virgins in eleri Jehofa?

MaxInDHouse:
I have answered but you are not patient.

Jesus is ruling now in heaven before then Satan and his demons were causing trouble for God's loyal spirit sons {Revelations 12:10} be glad you who lives in heaven and it's inhabitants woe for the earth.

So it's now that God's will is taking place in heaven we need that prayer mostly:

Let your kingdom come, let your take place as it is in heaven also upon the earth! Matthew 6:10

AkinwaleJJ:
"a body of men separating themselves from others and following their own tenets"

This is the perfect definition of SECT.

So ask yourself are Jehovah's Witnesses part of other religions?
Remember when talking about God our God is one not three and He has just a single unique name "Jehovah"
We don't sing their type of songs as for worshiping our God, we don't celebrate what they use to praise their God, we don't pray together with them, we don't view their governments as God's choice for us, we don't fight in support of any ruler, we don't listen to any of their pastors as minister of our God.
It's like telling Moses and other prophets of Israel that they are a sect in Canaan where everything about their God differs from all the other gods.

So my guy if you are looking for sects as condemned in the Bible think of Adeboye, Oyedepo, Kumuyi, Olukoya, Mouka, Oyakilome, Ibiyeomie and their likes those are people promoting Sectarianism that's why there is contradictions among their followers yet they all claim worshipers of the same god, sing the same kind of praises, celebrate the same kind of festivals, pray together anytime they meet in buses or gatherings as worshipers of the same god, bear the same kind of religious titles yet contradicting themselves due to SECTARIANISM!

This is the truth Jehovah's Witnesses aren't on the same page with them!

johnw47:
1. at a level below
2. in adding to God's word, etc.
3. so do many, including churches
4. around 5,000 Christians are killed for their faith each year. how many so called Jehovah's witnesses

.5. everyone at the same level of blindness
6. really, habitual lying, and paranoia, and blasphemy (even of the Holy Spirit), etc.etc. is not obeying the Bible
7. many churches don't disturb neighbours during prayer
8. they are not unique in that
9. so do others
10. they would make good politicians, liars that they are
11. i judge based on actions too: their lying their paranoia, their blasphemy (even of the Hol Spirit), .

lost false jw mad max

you get puffed up over the praises of men, even when they are wrong

Pro 16:5  Everyone who is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD;

MightySparrow:
You have not answered how and why everybody would be killed except JWs in Armageddon.

Will unbelievers go to hellfire?
Is Sparrow an unbeliever?

Oga, please confess your sins.

DoWhatThouWilt:
They have so many rapist and child abusers. Run from them.

Sand2022:
In 1 Peter 4:11, Peter concludes a charge with reverent praise to God the Father:
"Whoever speaks, as one who speaks oracles of God; whoever serves, as one who serves by the strength that God supplies—in order that in everything God may be glorified through Jesus Christ. To him belong glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen." (1 Peter 4:11, ESV)

This doxology—ending with "Amen"—is reverential and worshipful. It is a form of praise directed not to the audience but to the Almighty God, who is not present as a recipient within the letter’s readership. Such exalted praise is a marker of divine honor.
Interestingly, similar expressions of glory and praise—concluded with "Amen"—are directed to Jesus Christ as well:

"...who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen." (1 Timothy 6:16, ESV)

And again:

"But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen." (2 Peter 3:18, ESV)

These doxologies affirm that such glorifying language is not reserved solely for the Father, but also given to the Son. This is not competitive but complementary. When we worship the Father, we do not exclude the Son, and when we honor the Son, the Father is not excluded either. Rather, they share in the glory and worship. This is echoed in Jesus’ prayer:

"And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed." (John 17:5, ESV)
This shared glory is also seen in Revelation 5:13–14, where both the Father and the Lamb (Jesus Christ) receive worship from all creation:

"And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, 'To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!' And the four living creatures said, 'Amen!' and the elders fell down and worshiped." (Revelation 5:13–14, ESV)

This unity in glory between the Father and the Son is not new; it existed before the world began. The prophet Isaiah describes a scene of divine worship:

"In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train of his robe filled the temple. Above him stood the seraphim. Each had six wings... And one called to another and said: 'Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts; the whole earth is full of his glory!'" (Isaiah 6:1–3, ESV)

John later identifies the recipient of that vision as Jesus:

"Isaiah said these things because he saw his glory and spoke of him." (John 12:41, ESV)

Thus, just as in Revelation 5, the Father and the Son share in divine worship, so too in Isaiah’s vision and John’s interpretation, the Son is seen as the one glorified.

The distinction arises not in essence, but in role. When the Son took on flesh for the purpose of redemption, He assumed a subordinate role—one in which He could say, "My God," reflecting His humanity and mission. Yet, this subordination in role does not diminish His divinity. It adds a redemptive function to His identity, while His divine nature remains fully intact—equal in essence and worthy of the same eternal glory.

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Emusan:
Jesus Himself boldly says "The Father wants all people to honor the Son as much as they honor him. When anyone refuses to honor the Son, this is the same as refusing to honor the Father who sent him." John 5:23

If this is not equality to you then your education is a waste.

In fact some translations put it this way "...so that all men may honour the Son equally with the Father."

Honor your Father as you honor your Mother, your Bible commands.
Does honor your Father as you honor your Mother change 1 Corinthians 11:3?

Does Jesus statement of John 5:23 CHANGE Jesus teaching of John 14:28 & 1 Corinthians 11:3?
No , definitely not.

Emusan,Do you see that Jesus agreed with 1 Corinthians 11:3 @ John 14:28?

Please allow the holy scriptures to guide you & likewise allow your brain to function.

nans24:
Let me allow you and your brother to settle. Two jehovah witness quarreling online.

Just look at the kind of people claiming to be Gods ONLY organisation on earth.

MightySparrow:
If you have been following my posts about JWs, I have always been saying it and still maintain that they living in delusion.

Armageddon is in your Bible & you know what the outcome will be- the end of evil & wickedness.
Don't you Sparrow want an end to wickedness?
Why should it bother you that JW's believe we would survive the outcome?

Person wey dey fear hellfire invented by men is really deceiving himself.


The same person wey him gods of men package their deity in a bottle he buys for protection.
Screenshot evidence.

MightySparrow:
Exactly. Let any of them on this platform come out and refute it.