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Dewze:
The op never said the 'existence of God' is beyond scientific experimentation, it said that 'God' is beyond scientific experimentation.

Fallacy of equivocation here.

Oh and by the way the OP did say that God is beyond human experiments. He stated this not only in the OP but in a couple of responses.

Your analogy of hunters tracking animals falls flat because the animals are material beings interacting in their material environment and the effects are observed with material senses and tools. Furthermore, trackers can track animals by these traits because they have studied these animals or similar. Guess why big foot or the lochness monster is not taken seriously except by conspiracy theorists.


Again I state that you cannot declare something beyond experimentation and then in the same breath state that that thing is scientifically proven.

xyluz:
I have a few things to contribute to this, please read:



No, the bible is not a scientific document. Therefore, requires no scientific proof.



Yes. At some point in history, these people existed... its not expressly stated in the bible (not their names anyway), but it is stated that their were men on earth who were considered gods by other men, the bible even called them sons of God.

There was someone called Obatala in history, he was a man of influence among the yoruba people probably with some form of 'mystical powers' - but he was just a man, who died like the rest.

I don't really know where this discussion is coming from, and so i'm not in the place to say who is right or wrong. However, it seems fruitless to try to proof the existence of God scientifically...

Thank you.

Thank you too.

Are you familiar with the Obatala story and the creation of the earth according to Yorubas?

I ask because you have declared Obatala to be just a man but you have included foreign Gods as real Gods (at least according to men). What is this that makes us put away our culture and absorb foreign ones?

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just realized someone else did the needful.

truthman2012:
Then, what is your position about God?

I dont believe there is one.

Dewze:
I know for sure that something exists out there sending this information and asking this questions. That thing may well be a human being or an intelligent robot analysing my words and thoughts and then sending back the most intelligent response that it can. I can only best presume that you are human, but I will be well justified if I still doubt your true nature. what ever you may be, that undeniable evidence is still before me that something out there is quoting and replying my posts. Now, the only way I can find out your true nature is to find another medium to reach you. You may decide we speak on phone or we meet one on one, but that would be your personal choice. I am sure you will not argue with me that speaking with me on the phone is a fairly good and even easier way to convince me that you are human.

Fair enough.

However . . .

As your posts prove you exist so does scientific evidence (as indicated by the op) prove that God exists. If you want to find out the nature of God, you have to find another medium to reach him. Your material world and your material science can only operate as far and as wide as the boundaries of space and time which are themselves material and there fore finite.

So, yes science can prove the existence of God but can not experiment on God and so there fore can not explain God. You can not put Him on your lab tables and cut Him into parts. I believe this is what you truly crave for. Sorry, He has not given you that power.

The op talks about the existence of God, if you want to know if he exists, follow the evidence. If you want to know God, that is irrelevant here.

You talk about evidence and the OP. You agree with the OP that there is scientific evidence that God exists yet you also state (just like the OP) that God is beyond experiments. You do not see the glaring contradiction therein?

Leave off any talk of what you believe I truly crave for; you dont know me. Kindly address the issues!

My proposition is this: If you say something is beyond scientific experimentation, then you cannot speak of scientific proof for that thing.

Please note that there are other issues with the OP. I'm bringing up the most obvious and if that is beyond you or anyone else, then it is needless even having a discussion on this. When people start looking for evidence/scientific proof/logic in matters that claim validation from faith alone, they run into conundrums such as this.

truthman2012:
What is your scientific proof that God doesn't exist?

Where did I say I have one?

truthman2012:
Yes, God is beyond human experiments but study shows that there is a 'cause' for the Universe and the Bible says it is God. Prophets after prophets spoke about this God, who heard Him speak. He took the Israelites out of Egypt by His power. He destroyed Pharao in the Red Sea. This is in history and both countries are there till date. Jesus came to this world, spoke of Him, the history is there. Why else do you need to believe. Your unbelief does not change anything.

I thought I said we were done? I wasnt even talking to you however . . .

Yes, God is beyond human experiments but study shows that there is a 'cause' for the Universe and the Bible says it is God.

Is the bible a scientific document?
You make a conclusion from unrelated premises. You claim scientific proof for something you admit cannot be tested by experiments and you rely on a document that is unrelated to the so called study. The whole argument is disjointed.

Prophets after prophets spoke about this God, who heard Him speak. He took the Israelites out of Egypt by His power. He destroyed Pharao in the Red Sea. This is in history and both countries are there till date. Jesus came to this world, spoke of Him, the history is there. Why else do you need to believe. Your unbelief does not change anything.

I guess the fact that we have the Olympics today means that Zeus, Jupiter, Apollo, Medusa, Poseidon, and the rest of the Greek Gods existed. What else do you need to believe? Why dont you believe in Allah? There is after all a Mecca, history is there. There are also Olympics, history is there. Why dont you believe in Obatala? Ile Ife is there, history is there.

Your own unbelief doesnt change anything.

There are none so blind as those who will not see. I have no interest in continuing this discussion with you because like I said, I know the way your mind is working. I am content at showing that it is illogical to talk of scientific proof when you have already said the thing is beyond human experiments.

Dewze:
The op gives you evidence.

You mean like titling his article "Scientific Proof That God Exists" and then in same article stating that God is beyond human experiments?

How do you reconcile that?

truthman2012:
They recognize the bible in Africa, Europe, Australia, America, Asia, and other continents. In China alone we have about 120 million Christians, that is about the entire population of Nigeria. How more universal can it be?

Wow China huh?

Out of a population of over 1.35 billion, 120 million strikes you as significant enough to be called universal?

With the same logic have you cared to find out how many places recognize the Quran?

In any case, you have dragged me too far into this. I can tell the way your mind is working. I am satisfied with refuting your notion of scientific proof for a thing you claim is beyond human experiments.

That will be all.

truthman2012:
Who are the authors of those write-ups? They are not universally accepted. Who knows olorun, obatala etc in the West, Asia or China etc. When did Yoruba race come to existence? When did yorubas' olorun create the Israelites who existed before them? They make false claims.

The bible is not the testimony of one person, and it is universally accepted. Prophets from different generations testified of the same God.

At what time did the bible become universally accepted according to you and what exactly makes it universally accepted?

So Yoruba's are lying and foreigners are telling the truth?

What is the status of your God in Asia?

truthman2012:
Yes, as no other Being claims the cause.

Really?

You really think there is no other religion that claims their "being" is the cause?

And even if there is no other religion claiming the cause, is it enough to believe simply because one claims so?

http://www.gly.uga.edu/railsback/CS/CSIndex.html

The Elohim

In the beginning the Elohim made the sky and the earth, but the earth was shapeless and everything was dark. The Elohim said "Let there be light," and there was the light that made day different from night. And that was the first day.

The Elohim said, "Let there be a dome to separate the heavens from the waters below," and there were the heavens. And that was the second day.

The Elohim said, "Let the waters of the earth gather so that there are seas and there is dry land," and so it was. The Elohim said, "Let there be vegetation on the land, with plants to yield seeds and fruits," and so it was. And that was the third day.

The Elohim said, "Let there be light in the heavens, and let them change with the seasons," and so there were stars. Then the Elohim made a sun and a moon to rule over the day and to rule over the night. And that was the fourth day.

The Elohim said, "Let there be creatures in the waters, and let there be birds in the skies," and so there were sea monsters and sea creatures and birds. The Elohim blessed them, saying "Be fruitful and multiply". And that was the fifth day.

The Elohim said, "Let the earth have animals of various kinds", and so it was. Then the Elohim said, "Let us make humans after our own likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, over the cattle and creeping things of the land, and over all the earth." The Elohim said to these humans, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it, ruling over the fish and the birds and the animals of the land. We have given you every plant and tree yielding seed. To every beast and bird of the Earth we have given every green plant for food." And that was the sixth day.

And on the seventh day the making of the heavens and earth was finished, and the Elohim rested.

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The Four Creations

The world at first was endless space in which existed only the Creator, Taiowa. This world had no time, no shape, and no life, except in the mind of the Creator. Eventually the infinite creator created the finite in Sotuknang, whom he called his nephew and whom he created as his agent to establish nine universes. Sotuknang gathered together matter from the endless space to make the nine solid worlds. Then the Creator instructed him to gather together the waters from the endless space and place them on these worlds to make land and sea. When Sotuknang had done that, the Creator instructed him to gather together air to make winds and breezes on these worlds.

The fourth act of creation with which the Creator charged Sotuknang was the creation of life. Sotuknang went to the world that was to first host life and there he created Spider Woman, and he gave her the power to create life. First Spider Woman took some earth and mixed it with saliva to make two beings. Over them she sang the Creation Song, and they came to life. She instructed one of them, Poqanghoya, to go across the earth and solidify it. She instructed the other, Palongawhoya, to send out sound to resonate through the earth, so that the earth vibrated with the energy of the Creator. Poqanghoya and Palongawhoya were despatched to the poles of the earth to keep it rotating.

Then Spider Woman made all the plants, the flowers, the bushes, and the trees. Likewise she made the birds and animals, again using earth and singing the Creation Song. When all this was done, she made human beings, using yellow, red, white, and black earth mixed with her saliva. Singing the Creation Song, she made four men, and then in her own form she made four women. At first they had a soft spot in their foreheads, and although it solidified, it left a space through which they could hear the voice of Sotuknang and their Creator. Because these people could not speak, Spider Woman called on Sotuknang, who gave them four languages. His only instructions were for them to respect their Creator and to live in harmony with him.

These people spread across the earth and multiplied. Despite their four languages, in those days they could understand each other's thoughts anyway, and for many years they and the animals lived together as one. Eventually, however, they began to divide, both the people from the animals and the people from each other, as they focused on their differences rather than their similarities. As division and suspicion became more widespread, only a few people from each of the four groups still remembered their Creator. Sotuknang appeared before these few and told them that he and the Creator would have to destroy this world, and that these few who remembered the Creator must travel across the land, following a cloud and a star, to find refuge. These people began their treks from the places where they lived, and when they finally converged Sotuknang appeared again. He opened a huge ant mound and told these people to go down in it to live with the ants while he destroyed the world with fire, and he told them to learn from the ants while they were there. The people went down and lived with the ants, who had storerooms of food that they had gathered in the summer, as well as chambers in which the people could live. This went on for quite a while, because after Sotuknang cleansed the world with fire it took a long time for the world to cool off. As the ants' food ran low, the people refused the food, but the ants kept feeding them and only tightened their own belts, which is why ants have such tiny waists today.

Finally Sotuknang was done making the second world, which was not quite as beautiful as the first. Again he admonished the people to remember their Creator as they and the ants that had hosted them spread across the earth. The people multiplied rapidly and soon covered the entire earth. They did not live with the animals, however, because the animals in this second world were wild and unfriendly. Instead the people lived in villages and built roads between these, so that trade sprang up. They stored goods and traded those for goods from elsewhere, and soon they were trading for things they did not need. As their desire to have more and more grew, they began to forget their Creator, and soon wars over resources and trade were breaking out between villages. Finally Sotuknang appeared before the few people who still remembered the Creator, and again he sent them to live with the ants while he destroyed this corrupt world. This time he ordered Poqanghoya and Palongawhoya to abandon their posts at the poles, and soon the world spun out of control and rolled over. Mountains slid and fell, and lakes and rivers splashed across the land as the earth tumbled, and finally the earth froze over into nothing but ice.

This went on for years, and again the people lived with the ants. Finally Sotuknang sent Poqanghoya and Palongawhoya back to the poles to resume the normal rotation of the earth, and soon the ice melted and life returned. Sotuknang called the people up from their refuge, and he introduced them to the third world that he had made. Again he admonished the people to remember their Creator as they spread across the land. As they did so, they multiplied quickly, even more quickly than before, and soon they were living in large cities and developing into separate nations. With so many people and so many nations, soon there was war, and some of the nations made huge shields on which they could fly, and from these flying shields they attacked other cities. When Sotuknang saw all this war and destruction, he resolved to destroy this world quickly before it corrupted the few people who still remembered the Creator. He called on Spider Woman to gather those few and, along the shore, she placed each person with a little food in the hollow stem of a reed. When she had done this, Sotuknang let loose a flood that destroyed the warring cities and the world on which they lived.

Once the rocking of the waves ceased, Spider Woman unsealed the reeds so the people could see. They floated on the water for many days, looking for land, until finally they drifted to an island. On the island they built little reed boats and set sail again to the east. After drifting many days, they came to a larger island, and after many more days to an even larger island. They hoped that this would be the fourth world that Sótuknang had made for them, but Spider Woman assured them that they still had a long and hard journey ahead. They walked across this island and built rafts on the far side, and set sail to the east again. They came to a fourth and still larger island, but again they had to cross it on foot and then build more rafts to continue east. From this island, Spider Woman sent them on alone, and after many days they encountered a vast land. Its shores were so high that they could not find a place to land, and only by opening the doors in their heads did they know where to go to land.

When they finally got ashore, Sotuknang was there waiting for them. As they watched to the west, he made the islands that they had used like stepping stones disappear into the sea. He welcomed them to the fourth world, but he warned them that it was not as beautiful as the previous ones, and that life here would be harder, with heat and cold, and tall mountains and deep valleys. He sent them on their way to migrate across the wild new land in search of the homes for their respective clans. The clans were to migrate across the land to learn its ways, although some grew weak and stopped in the warm climates or rich lands along the way. The Hopi trekked and far and wide, and went through the cold and icy country to the north before finally settling in the arid lands between the Colorado River and Rio Grande River. They chose that place so that the hardship of their life would always remind them of their dependence on, and link to, their Creator.

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Creation By and From the Self

In the beginning there was absolutely nothing, and what existed was covered by death and hunger. He thought, "Let me have a self", and he created the mind. As he moved about in worship, water was generated. Froth formed on the water, and the froth eventually solidifed to become earth. He rested on the earth, and from his luminence came fire. After resting, he divided himself in three parts, and one is fire, one is the sun, and one is the air.

Thus in the beginning the world was only his self, his being or essence, which then took the shape of a person. At first he was afraid, but realizing that he was alone and had nothing of which to be afraid, his fear ceased. However, he had no happiness because he was alone, and he longed for another. He grew as large as two persons embracing, and he caused his self to split into two matching parts, like two halves of a split pea, and from them arose husband and wife.

They mated, and from their union arose the human beings of the earth. The female reflected on having mated with someone of whom she was once a part, and she resolved that she should hide so that it would not happen again. She changed to a cow to disguise herself, but he changed to a bull and mated with her, and from their union cows arose. She changed to the form of a mare, but he changed to that of a stallion and mated with her, and from that union came horses. She changed to the form of a donkey, but he did likewise, and from them arose the single-hoofed animals. She became a ewe, but he became a ram, and from their union came the sheep and goats. It continued thus, with her changing form to elude him but he finding her and mating with her, until they had created all the animals that live in pairs, from humans and horses to ants.

After all this work, he reflected that he was indeed Creation personified, for he had created all this. Rubbing back and forth, he made Fire, the god of fire, from his hands, and from his semen he made Soma, the god of the moon. This was his highest creation because, although mortal himself, he had created immortal gods

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The Golden Chain

Long ago, well before there were any people, all life existed in the sky. Olorun lived in the sky, and with Olorun were many orishas. There were both male and female orishas, but Olorun transcended male and female and was the all-powerful supreme being. Olorun and the orishas lived around a young baobab tree. Around the baobab tree the orishas found everything they needed for their lives, and in fact they wore beautiful clothes and gold jewelry. Olorun told them that all the vast sky was theirs to explore. All the orishas save one, however, were content to stay near the baobab tree.

Obatala was the curious orisha who wasn't content to live blissfully by the baobab tree. Like all orishas, he had certain powers, and he wanted to put them to use. As he pondered what to do, he looked far down through the mists below the sky. As he looked and looked, he began to realize that there was a vast empty ocean below the mist. Obatala went to Olorun and asked Olorun to let him make something solid in the waters below. That way there could be beings that Obatala and the orishas could help with their powers.

Touched by Obatala's desire to do something constructive, Olorun agreed to send Obatala to the watery world below. Obatala then asked Orunmila, the orisha who knows the future, what he should do to prepare for his mission. Orunmila brought out a sacred tray and sprinkled the powder of baobab roots on it. He tossed sixteen palm kernels onto the tray and studied the marks and tracks they made on the powder. He did this eight times, each time carefully observing the patterns. Finally he told Obatala to prepare a chain of gold, and to gather sand, palm nuts, and maize. He also told Obatala to get the sacred egg carrying the personalities of all the orishas.

Obatala went to his fellow orishas to ask for their gold, and they all gave him all the gold they had. He took this to the goldsmith, who melted all the jewelry to make the links of the golden chain. When Obatala realized that the goldsmith had made all the gold into links, he had the goldsmith melt a few of them back down to make a hook for the end of the chain.

Meanwhile, as Orunmila had told him, Obatala gathered all the sand in the sky and put it in an empty snail shell, and in with it he added a little baobab powder. He put that in his pack, along with palm nuts, maize, and other seeds that he found around the baobab tree. He wrapped the egg in his shirt, close to his chest so that it would be warm during his journey.

Obatala hooked the chain into the sky, and he began to climb down the chain. For seven days he went down and down, until finally he reached the end of the chain. He hung at its end, not sure what to do, and he looked and listened for any clue. Finally he heard Orunmila, the seer, calling to him to use the sand. He took the shell from his pack and poured out the sand into the water below. The sand hit the water, and to his surprise it spread and solidified to make a vast land. Still unsure what to do, Obatala hung from the end of the chain until his heart pounded so much that the egg cracked. From it flew Sankofa, the bird bearing the sprits of all the orishas. Like a storm, they blew the sand to make dunes and hills and lowlands, giving it character just as the orishas themselves have character.

Finally Obatala let go of the chain and dropped to this new land, which he called "Ife", the place that divides the waters. Soon he began to explore this land, and as he did so he scattered the seeds from his pack, and as he walked the seeds began to grow behind him, so that the land turned green in his wake.

After walking a long time, Obatala grew thirsty and stopped at a small pond. As he bent over the water, he saw his reflection and was pleased. He took some clay from the edge of the pond and began to mold it into the shape he had seen in the reflection. He finished that one and began another, and before long he had made many of these bodies from the dark earth at the pond's side. By then he was even thirstier than before, and he took juice from the newly-grown palm trees and it fermented into palm wine. He drank this, and drank some more, and soon he was intoxicated. He returned to his work of making more forms from the edge of the pond, but now he wasn't careful and made some without eyes or some with misshapen limbs. He thought they all were beautiful, although later he realized that he had erred in drinking the wine and vowed to not do so again.

Before long, Olorun dispatched Chameleon down the golden chain to check on Obatala's progress. Chameleon reported Obatala's disappointment at making figures that had form but no life. Gathering gasses from the space beyond the sky, Olorun sparked the gasses into an explosion that he shaped into a fireball. He sent that fireball to Ife, where it dried the lands that were still wet and began to bake the clay figures that Obatala had made. The fireball even set the earth to spinning, as it still does today. Olorun then blew his breath across Ife, and Obatala's figures slowly came to life as the first people of Ife.

Just a small sampling. I hope the point is clear.

truthman2012:
The Bible says it was God that caused the Universe and since you have no alternative cause, it is only reasonable you accept it was God.

I should accept it simply because the bible said so?

truthman2012:
God is beyond human experiments. He is invisible as even you cannot see your own spirit

What in your knowledge caused the universe as nothing can cause something.

How can you talk of scientific proof when the thing you seek to prove is beyond human experiments?


I dont know what "caused" the Universe.

truthman2012:
Cause and Effect—Scientific Proof that God Exists
by Kyle Butt, M.A.

WHY DOES GOD NOT HAVE A CAUSE?

Hold on just a minute! If we contend that every material effect must have a cause, and we say that only God could have caused the Universe, then the obvious question is: “What caused God?” Doesn’t the law of cause and effect apply to God, too?

There is a single word in the law of cause and effect that helps provide the answer to this question—the word material. Every material effect must have a cause that existed before it. Scientists formulated the law of cause and effect based upon what they have observed while studying this Universe, which is made out of matter. No science experiment in the world can be performed on God, because He is an eternal spirit, not matter (John 4:24). Science is far from learning everything about this material world, and it is even farther from understanding the eternal nature of God. There had to be a First Cause, and God was (and is) the only One suitable for the job.

This is known as special pleading, a common fallacy. Everything except . . .

Oh and see the bolded, that effectively negates any notions of scientifically proving God.

CONCLUSION

The law of cause and effect is a well-established law that does not have any known exceptions.

Except God right?

LMAO

akinsadeez:
Ok o. But I was in court and the subsequent events do not support your theory. The judge clearly felt that the money was too paltry for a lawyer of the man's standing and communicated as much. Besides the senior lawyer's wig was very old but not tattered and the judge clearly wanted the young guy to take note of the seniority.
The cost he was actually asked to pay finally was five times the amount he offered originally

Its alright.

Then again, I do have to insist that seniority at the bar has nothing to do with the amount of costs.

kayphyzee:
I beg to disagree with you on your interpretation. Don't forget that Judges accord senior members of the bar a high level of respect. Literally, Judge meant that the amount offered is too ridiculous for a senior member of the bar. Even his apperance fee alone would have exceeded that amount.

Bros, cost is not awarded based on seniority. Costs follow events and the court has discretion in awarding costs.

I never said that Judges do not respect senior members. Appearance fees are not also based on seniority!

akinsadeez:
Some judges also encourage those lawyers. I was in court once and the issue of cost was being discussed. The young lawyer offered the senior on the other side 2000 naira as cost. The judge simply told him : 2000 naira? what do you mean. Can't you see his wig?(referring to the senior lawyer)
Apparently the man was a very senior member of the bar and the judge felt that amount was derisive. All of us at the bar just laughed that day, but I could imagine how good or happy the senior lawyer must have felt at that statement. Now tell me, do you think that man would go and buy a new wig and wear it to court? Definitely not!

Well perhaps you misinterpreted the judges meaning.

Perhaps the judge was mocking the senior by indirectly suggesting that the senior needs money? Cant you see his (*in need of replacement*) wig?

Costs flow from events and if the younger guy was offering 2000, its probably because a witness did not show up or something like that. Costs arent offered based on seniority. My brother I prefer my own interpretation of the judges comments. Sounds more realistic to me.

akinsadeez:
The man might not necessarily be poor. There are some lawyers who have money but all in a bid to show that they are elders at the bar and have spent many years as lawyers wear old wigs and faded gowns to court despite being rich enough to buy replacements. Many old lawyers hate wearing new wigs. Some judges also equate shiny new wigs to mean the lawyer has recently or just been called to the bar. In fact in legal parlance new lawyers are actually known by the term 'new wigs'. Maybe the man is one of those who love to show their seniority by any means possible.

True that. Its a silly practice all the same.

If he is that old at the bar, he should be well known to all the courts in the jurisdiction. Theres no need to wear such shabby apparel and flaunt it.

manny4life:
No disrespect to our honorable lawyers and judges but that's BULLSHIT. There are many ways to know if someone is old or new. Heck they could start by issuing a badge, when I see a blue badge I know you are new. When I see a red badge, for mid practitioners, when I see a gold badge, I know you are an expert at law. Please, let's do away with the archaic culture.

There really is no need for badges.

Your last sentence is on point though.

musKeeto:
Jayriginal, plaetton, rationalmind, martian and all other fellows, when is frosbel gonna join us? Hopefully before summer

I think he will stop at deism.

He needs a god.

Joshthefirst:
And the bible has the historical data we need. We do not need it to be confirmed, . . .

Damn!

SegunFlames:
Lol i discovered it was nothing really.

it was because my internet connection was coming from my second sim.

so when i switched to the first sim it's working well with mobile network.

Ok. Cool!

SegunFlames:
i've gotten a way round the issh already.
thanks bro.

Since you came here expecting help, its only right that if you have found a way out, you should share with others.

Failure to do so is an indication of greed!

Bump.

prewtyjulie:
He said we should not put jara nor subtract, so i cant fit shout,
but wen wil dey stop beatin abt n releas dia bibble dat fits dia lifestyl n stp tryin 2 dodge around ours

Pastafarians have a bible.

Just saying.

blood1:
! At the risk of sounding arrogant (though I deserve to, because education don show me pepper) Until you're a PHD holder.... your education never too done oooo.... hooohaaaa!

That's quite untrue. Your masters is sufficient.


@ Priceless24 PtitLapin and jamesandrew please mail me at getjay18@gmail.com
We may need to compare notes.

Eternity is infinite (or eternal) according to DeepSight.

I've said it before and others before me as well, that eternity is a logical conundrum.

On one hand, you say eternity has no beginning or end, and at the other you say events are interpolated into eternity.

Double dutch at best and a pitiful fallacy.

sinequanon:
I read, but I don't swallow everything as you do.

What the article actually says is that hallucinations cause the fear. It does not explain what causes the hallucinations. It only says that they are "accompanied" by "sleep paralysis".

We have enough ranters on this site already. We don't need you as well.

Furthermore, I am telling you that by removing the fear, you can remove the paralysis. The science can't explain that one.

Oops. I must have struck a nerve.

You're better off taking comprehension classes all over again (assuming you took them in the first place).


Let me help you once again. The paralysis causes the fear. Cogitate.

abhosts:
A Christian Neighbor of mine recently admitted to me that His Pastor Instructed that he Prays his Midnight Warfare Prayers Naked, within the confines of his bedroom. I tried to make him understand that such a method was not biblical but he waved my opinion aside, insisting that it is a more effective method. He claimed it is a widespread practice among "Christians".

Heb 13:9a says: "Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings"

I have Searched the Bible but I cannot find any scripture to support this Strange doctrine.

Lets Discuss.

Mod Please move Thread to right section.

Holler at me when you find scriptural backing for the consumption of eba

sinequanon:
This is something science does a very poor job of explaining.

Science only describes accompanying physical conditions and sensations. It takes that to be some sort of "cause" of the experience.

If you get rid of the fear (not through panicked chants and prayers, but through a deeper understanding) then you may discover that the science is wrong. You can become lucid and totally in control of your movements in the same situation.

Then you can pay attention and discover the whole story.

I wonder at you.

Do you read at all?

Sleep paralysis, not sleep fear!

The paralysis causes the fear, not the other way around.

Damn!

Ebenezerk2:
Everybody should go and read about Nigeria law, in as much as you rob with guns, you will be sentence to death, not the value of what you steal

You're right.

Armed robbery is punishable by death. There really is no need for people to get emotional over the verdict.

CrazyKaps:
Having checked the time stamps, I have realised, to my great mortification that I have and still am posting on an old, and seemingly dead thread.

That shouldnt stop you from contributing. Persons quoted have a chance to reply and by reviving the thread, you bring it to the attention of others who may also have contributions to make.

donigspain:
You ask any of the sisters you FIRST approach:

Scenario A: Are you a female?
- If SHE answers "YES" then you proceed to the second sister (who you now know MUST be the liar sister) and ask which road leads to the village. Take the ALTERNATIVE road to her answer.

Scenario B: Are you a female?
- If SHE answers "NO" then she automatically is the liar sister and you proceed to the second sister and ask for which road leads to the village. Take her answer as the right road for she ALWAYS tells the truth.

Bravo!

Alternative and longer solution.

Let's say the real road is left and the fake is right.

Ask the first girl, which road will your sister show me. Both girls will point in the same direction. So for instance, knowing the right road is left, the liar will tell you that her sister will tell you its the right. The truth telling sister knowing the liar will deceive you, will tell you right as well.

Head left. Case closed!