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Omoawoke:
You ...

You are rambling like an emotional 16 yr old

Omoawoke:
She is slave trying so hard to whiten her identity

The only slave here is you.

Didijiji:
We were made to understand that using FX to import fuel puts a strain on our exchange rate

Now Dangote and PH refinery are taking care of our internal demands with little or no need for importation using forex,

HOW COME DOLLAR RATE IS STILL OVER 1.7k Naira?

Also remember that dangote borrowed billions in usd to build the refinery which he'd payback from proceeds of sale. So while we may not be needing forex to import petroleum products, hed still need it to pay off his debt. The main difference now is that the need (for petroleum related purposes) should be less abd drop with time

There are criminals in every country.

Zahra29:
The argument was not whether the UK had control powers or not. I suspect that is a debate you've been having with yourself.

I see you've shifted from moving the goalposts to attacking grammar.

You'd rather do anything than hold the government, which issued over 700,000 visas, responsible. I agree—the UK government was a naive, hapless teenager who was 'invaded' by vicious migrants.

It has always been evident that Western nations maintain robust control over migration. They loosen and tighten rules as needed to attract the people they need.

Goke7:
And talking more about control there is now a job vacancy advertised by the govt for an EU negotiator, they say it’s to reset relations with the EU, one thing I love is the vocabs they throw around to dribble people while using other rhetoric as a cover. Interesting times ahead
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjw0xngdj2jo.amp

My brother I encourage you to apply, the pay is good o 150k per year 😜

Hehe... If media-facing, I’d view this role as a poisoned chalice. Honestly, unless the benefits are particularly robust, the pay should be higher given what the role entails.

Another good thing with the recent spike in numbers and the latest OBR projection is that it might shift public expectation. People could eventually feel 'thankful' if net migration dropped to 300k. I remember mentioning some time ago that the UK needs 300–500k more people in long-term net migration to maintain stability. Ms Z then said it was my 'opinion'

Goke7:
The summary is simple; it’s all talk and do nothing. Which itself is not bad cos all stakeholders are aware of the potential economic impact. You can run campaigns with it but after all said and done that BBC article you posted here some days ago is where it all finally ends.

True.. that article just delves a question I've been asking all along. This stuff is so easy to do if they want to.

Zahra29:
A brief walk through history might help.

(For reference, Control = Decide who and how many)

Thanks for the history lesson.

In summary, Brexit gave the UK significantly more control over immigration than they've had in decades. The government then used its new found powers to issue over 700k visas. They've also used that same control to cut down numbers. In essence, at no point in this whole process did they 'loose control'

Zahra29:
Point is, it is possible to reduce net migration if the political will and levers are there. Most western countries don't want to reduce it to zero levels, but as can be clearly seen by the policies being introduced by UK, Canada, Australia and others, they certainly want to control it, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

What exactly do you mean by 'want to control it'?
You're saying conflicting things- 'it's possible' but they 'don't want to do it' i.e they do control it. Except this another attempt to absolve governments of their actions, blame migrants or present a narrative of an invasion.

Are you trying to insuate that in prior to recent events, Western nations have not had control over who they issued visas to? The ability to increase or reduce numbers overnight is the very evidence of their control.

ehizario2012:
I don't know if you're in Africa or not. However, nobody chooses where they were born and I don't think it's necessary to feel guilty when you emigrate outside Africa. As long as you're adding value wherever you go, that place can become home. Abraham wasn't born in Canaan, he migrated there and made it home.

True talk asides the value part- one doesn't need to add value to call a place home. You don claim am be say you don claim am. What value did many settling Europeans on other contintents add to the indigenous population? Called local populations savages and killed them like chickens?

The history of our world is one of migration. The recent change is that those who all their existence have been doing the moving are now being moved into. Most of Asia and Africa are largely new to the concept and it only becomes an issue when the person moving is non-white. To them its a right, to us, it should be seen as a privilege.

I remember sharing these graphs before. For over 100 years, UK lost a good amount of their population to migration every year. When are those migrants coming back to help the UK? Take 1% net emigration for example- in Nigerian terms, that'd be over 2.5 million people leaving. That's equivalent to what the UK was donating to others. We all know what they did when they arrived their destination. How many of us they move finally - e fit no reach 300k per year.


Wouldn't surprise me the average 25yo Brit may has been to more countries than most Africans would visit in their lifetime. I have colleagues with Bespoke houses close to the French Alps they visit multiple times on holidays or is it average-earning Brits buying up homes in Spain e.t.c.
I remain unapologetic about migration especially as a black man.

When would we go past celebrating such as a country

It amazes me that no one seems to ask where this group get their data from and the quality of the data before forwarding it to frontpage. Certainly, most of what they post is dodgy.

I hope folks know anyone can create a page on X, call it 'StatFacts' and start reeling out whatever they like. Even an AI bot (non human) can be set up to do this.

Congrats... Hood man!

Impunity shouldn't be allowed to run free

AmiableMosquito:
Then again, at the back of my mind, I am thinking, are you sure the cut-off for subsequent healthcare draws won't drop especially if they carry out the subsequent draws more frequently than they have done earlier this year?

Interesting how quickly the healthcare draws have risen in a year. It was expected though.
With the reduction in PR numbers for next year, except healthcare is protected from cuts, I'd expect it to rise further. They may look at tinkering with the number of occupational codes accepted for healthcare. Even if its protected, it's only a matter of time before people pivot into that pathway.

Goke7:
The Canada PM is just talking politics same way Brexit was used here and at the end they opened the back gate. Even the uk pm is still warming up ( watch out) Germany with all their mouth is looking for 400,000 workers. That bbc article you posted a day or two ago says it all. No govt can reduce net migration including Trump, they will huff and puff but at the end you will realise so much has been let in.

These things have their peaks and troughs and as I said a while back, the next 2 decades should be interesting as most big economies adress their changing demography.

Good read about Germany. They accepted over a million syrians in 2015 (under assylum but also with the aim of boosting the labour market) and recently, hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians. Now, they have copied the Canadian points based style and looking to fastrack it. The interesting thing is their economy has struggled over the last few years after the Russian invasion- some would have thought this would have been the time to run far away from migrants.

But wait o... are they really looking to issue 200k work visas in 6 weeks?

Zahra29:
Lol, a 20% reduction from an uber liberal government is a big deal, especially if they are likely to be replaced by a hard-line conservative party that is keen to slash numbers. It's an even bigger reduction if you look at the figures for students and foreign workers.

Peeking into your crystal glass I see. All said, we can at least see that its not thesame everywhere.

In other news-

God bless the president of the federal Republic of 9ja
God also bless the King.

Zahra29:
I am not against Japa2.0. Quite the opposite in fact. On that point, please do let me know who the Suellalet is on the Canada thread so I can happily reach out to him/her to do a handover lol

Remember I'm a free being- soon to be your compatriot with no dog in this fight. I always keep tabs back home (9ja and UK) as there are always nice investment opportunities which one could benefit from.

Things come in ebs and flows. Even with the current tightening of migration all over the world- one can still distill fine trends. Canada's 'pause' is to accept ~390000 permanent residents for the next 3 yrs before pushing up numbers. UK OTOH issued settled status to less than 120k people last year. Each to their own. I'm already considering my retirement location which should include 9ja/UK and Europe if (UK does the sensible thing and returns to the EU)


Trudeau defended the government’s recent decision to cut immigration as a necessary measure to address Canada’s housing shortage and cost-of-living issues. "The goal is to help stabilise population growth while housing stocks catch up, and then to consider gradually increasing immigration rates once again," he said, adding that the pause would allow communities time to “catch up with things like our plan to build more homes.”

Canada will admit about 395,000 permanent residents in 2025 — a 20 per cent reduction from the anticipated 485,000 arrivals this year. This shift also extends to temporary immigrants, including international students and foreign workers. Their numbers are set to drop to approximately 446,000 in 2025 and 2026, down from about 800,000 this year.

Goke7:
😂 the same good migrants that passed through the Uk? make dem go siddon jor. I visited Canada over the summer Alberta to be precise and was shocked to see and learn about the number of doctors who migrated there from the Uk. This has been going on for over a decade. The mega salaries those folks even earn over there will continue to be a pull factor.

Fine you have placed restrictions and reduce the amount of those coming in, but a situation where those coming in are reducing and those inside are also reducing where is that leading to? Even most doctors or other professionals coming in are just using the uk as a transit route and am not sure how this will improve the nhs in the long run. It needs an urgent fix.

Alberta na oil wealth. But truthfully, it's not just the salaries. Though becoming less likely, some might match same in the UK. Its the whole package including agency over ones work, appreciation of obes work, access to capital, general economic growth, flexibility, more capitalist society. You largely decide how you work and your pts decide if they want you to be their physician or not. No struggle.
Part of my enquiries have involved colleagues there who left in the 'good old days'. The overriding theme is still same. Conversely, some people also go and return for different reasons. This life na jeje.

I wouldn't agree with the second, many medics who migrate to the UK would ultimately stay and lead good lives. It's just that when an oyibo japa's- everybody sees it as normal thing - the world is their oyster afterall but if na Asian or 9ja- e go be like say u dey cheat on your spouse. Also, of late, the factors pushing folks out from here is now rivalling those pulling them into there.

Overall, it seems the migration into certain nations have general thenes.
UK- still never gree say dem need immigrants despite the govt bringing in hundreds of thousands for over 2 decades. However, each one coming on a visa is milked maximally.
Canada- Appears there is a general understanding by major parties that they need more people- question is how much. Even the recent reduction of allowing ~1% of their population in as permanent residents for the next 3yrs has been called a 'pause'
U.S. - wild wild west
Aus- not enough knowledge to comment but they reason like the UK.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOB7-dbYuCc

Segun889:
Hi,
I did enjoy reading your positions, i think the counter opinion also bears quite a lot of weight. Your pointer of being in a regulated position may have given you away as a UK GP hoping for more earning poser in Canada. If it were 9 months ago, i will fully agree with you. However, it's good you have sufficient information before any move. Whilst your mind may be made up and honestly it will be good for you to come to Canada and try yourself, know that things are rapidly changing on ground here. For context, i am also a British-US- Nigerian-Canadian ( Canadian means I'm PR not citizen). There has been a lot of influx of people coming in including UK GPs. The trouble the changes seen in Canada are as a result of unmeasured checks of immigration control and with elections almost coming up the pressure is on to for a tangible, palpable and drastic immigrant net control.
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Fair points.
I've come to realise that manytimes, why people give advise is more important that what advise they give. Reason why I get suspicious when someone like Lady Z who says migrants are spoiling her NHS advices against japa 2.0.

Of course, I would look before they leap - it goes without saying. I remember a long chat with a colleague before choosing the UK when I was also considering Saudi and Can then. I've put even more reasearch into this move than that. It's mabytimes easy to know where high and low ground is my looking at the direction of flow of a river. There's a reason certain folks who earn well into the additional rate treshold would uproot their family and japa. There's a reason why nursing recruiters from the UK target Thailand e.t.c. some also with medical recruiters from Aus e.t.c targeting the UK. BTW, I have noticed a good rship with gdp per capita (aside few exceptions) and certain kinds of migration

Personally, bearing any unforseen circumstance, remaining in the UK should see me attain much of my life goals in good time. But at this point, it's not just where one ends but how one gets there and in what state you are at the end. Another life lesson I've learned is that location is manytimes more important than hardwork to attainment. There is a reason why many conventional 9ja artists move to Lagos and not Zamfara. A personal example was back in 9ja- I was able to earn 2-3x my colleagues who were working in the East by simply working in a differentpart of the country. Same also, folks in Lag were on 1.5x what I earned. The funny part is that those earning more work less hard.

The main reasons I'm moving is not just the income (yes, it should be better) but for the work culture, access to capital (incl U.S) and my estimated trajectory of economic growth in Can. I'm not sweating on this- if it doesn't suit, I return - many have. The experience should eitherway be worthwhile. This life na jeje- I have colleagues who took a year out to travel the world. As a matter of fact, I've visited for initial landing and it was my discussion with my banker and subsequent discussions with their medical support staff and a mortgage advisor that broadened my view. Thuth be said, even me dey fear at the reception I received. I understand the pillars of capitalism and appreciate what good access to capital can offer in a stable fast-growing economy. This, and the wider respect for what one does (i.e reduced bvllsh*t) is where Can really trumps the UK. Regarding housing, I had considered liquidating my isa but may not as they have very favourable terms of borrowing to medics and the mortgage could likely be approved quicker than I may want to buy. Tax-wise, it may be better in the UK as there are more robust benefits when incorporated.

My point is- for me and virtually everyone, everywhere is not always thesame. It may also be better, or worse -
BTW, this 'British-US- Nigerian-Canadian' name- which one does one need to give up as I dey reason born my pikin for America (I know there are tax implications)?

Cyberknight:
The risk that staff employed in the sector will start to jump ship after 2 years, which, depending on the state of the UK's job market, may negatively the staffing crisis in social care once again.

Would have liked her to answer mk she explain wetin she mean

Generally, its a revolving door. It might even boomerang
If people are invariably going to stay longterm in the society, it's important to equip them with tools and remove restrictions so they could build ties and wealth. That way, they're less likely to japa and they also contribute more as they earn more. Even if some switch sectors, it's still a net-benefit and those who'd remain would do so and be empowered to earn more.

Take the student rules which would increasingly now bring more single young folks in (as dependents have been stopped). Majority of these may be unable to get jobs above the treshold and would then default to Care. Do it for a year and get enough points to apply as a support staff under the Canadian healthcare draw. Although this might change, it may surprise you to know that that ex-sudent all things bring equal would have sane baseline score as most doctors because they have a masters degree and they may even score more as docs with postgraduate training are usually above 30 (when some points start being deducted for age).

Invariably, these folks would move on (many are already doing that), propsper and you'd then hear local Brits moan about how other nations get all the 'good' migrants. The point is many decisions can have long unforseen outcomes.

Zahra29:
They won't increase it to 7 years but they won't reduce it to 2 years either. Even Labour MPs would agree with the Suellas on the flight risk from the care sector.

Flight risk? What does that mean?

dustydee:
Is it 7k/kg? Do they know the UK regulations regarding food imports?

Yeah.. 7k/kg to doorstep in the UK

Not read the food import regs but they bring a variety of items including oil

Ringstonermasks:
u can continue to dance unclad in ur ignorance. Nobody would care to prove any point to u from here.

Hehe... you sound like someone who believes killing twins babies would bring rain.

Hope you know whatever device you are surfing nairaland on is more advanced than all the juju in your village put together. Ignoramus

@op

How much ritual have the likes of Apple, Google, Microsoft, Nvidia, Tesla or Amazon done?

Those companies individually listed have more cash than many countries put together

Live link to the parliamentary session

https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/4da818c6-6984-4f0a-87d2-df5214973681

Zahra29:
There is a debate this afternoon in the House of Commons on an e-motion seeking to reduce the time that foreign healthcare workers in the UK have to wait to qualify for indefinite leave to remain (ILR)from five years to two years:

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cdp-2024-0150/

@Jedisco, it's not too late to lobby your MP to support this motion if you haven't already.

Though happy to be proved wrong, I can guestimate how this would end. I'm expecting some virtue signalling detailing all the pros of 'integration' when the real reason is more visa fee and the leverage it affords the government.

BTW, I signed the petition a long time ago and received a notification of the debate.
The reality is that the time to ILR is more likely to be increased to 7 years than be reduced to 2 yrs. All you need is a few media articles and a new Suellet chorusing how a rising number of these imigrant medics are planning on japa 2.0.

On a personal note, I'm not bothered- counting days to be a British compatriot

dustydee:
Please does anyone know how to import food items to the UK from Nigeria in commercial quantities? I will appreciate if anyone has a guide to share or point me to where I can find such information. Thank you.

Also need more info on this. The lowest I've got is 7k from Lag.

Also need info on sending stuff back. I mean large stuff. Know a few who do but unsure abt the cost-effectiveness

NewT123:
Thanks bro, please is Moneybox a good cash Lisa provider to use or I can use anyone?

I've used Moneybox cash LISA and had no issues with them.
Also used DODL S&S LISA. I'm mainly focused on the fees. Most providers would be FCA regulated and deposits upto 85k would be insured.

Finally, na u go decide

NewT123:
Please what is the best LISA provider to use for first time home buyer and is there a way to max out the 4k in a 12 month period and get government bonus twice in the 12month?

Cash or stock and shares LISA? Moneysaving expert has a good article on LISAs which is updated regularly.


Deposit before and after April 6.
But note some providers close deposits into investment accounts a few days before the end of the tax year

Congrats to Nigeria and Miss Chidinma Adetshina - (Miss Universe Nigeria, Africa and miss Oceania). The babes beauty dey enter my eye.


I remember having the discussion here when she was advised to be 'realistic' and bow to bigots by pulling out and remaining silent. Imiagine where she would have been if she did that. Perhaps feeling suicidal. Nigeria came thru big on this.

Goke7:
This also applies to other western countries. Labour mobility is their wealth secret. Any attempt to disrupt will always lead to unfavourable outcomes for their economy. They can bang their heads on the wall it won’t change anything. Like we say in naija if e easy make dem run am! 😜

Hehe... it's so easy to blame migrants for every issue. A while back, Nigeria blamed Ghanaians - what happened when we chased them away? Now SA are blaming other blacks

The difference in the west is that the populace is much richer (i.e less ammenable to bvllsh*t) and with so many social benefits and a free electoral system, no one is going to sit back and see you make them poorer. Good example is the recent winter fuel payments where many rich boomers were really upset over a sum they could easily do without. It's a good example why politicians knowing fully well they'd loose votes on the altar of high migration keep going back for more

Zahra29:
Lol, you do love to talk. Fact is that Canada is no longer as immigration friendly as it used to be and if the Conservatives push Trudeau out as expected, their immigration laws will get a lot tighter. The same complaints you've had about the UK, its people,policies and govt, are very likely the same complaints you will have in Canada, if not more lol.

Happy to help:

1. I pray that your heart's desires are granted.

2. I advise that you pray for wisdom to make the right decision.

Shalom

Lol.. Regarding option 2, I'd ultimately see what interest rates do. If they're amicable, I'd keep it and possibly add another before my sabbatical as I gather the UK property market relatively primed.

True, there's been some changes with their system but by contemporary standards, it's still generous. The main issue is seems is that British-Canadians who have been a historical huge supplier of Canadian migrants are now unable to supply as many new entrants but are strongly opposed to Indian-Canadians taking their position. I love the conservatives- many are capitalists like me and if the UK is pointer, we know where their migration there is ultimately headed.

It'd be interesting to know why you chorus the last statement - is it fear of the unknown? It's like saying all equity investors would get same outcome irrespective of what companies/markets they are invested in. There are overarching issues but outcomes are very much different. I don't complain- only point out the effect/drivers of certain moves by my soon-to-be compatriots e.g Brexit which has been a blessing for me and many Nigerians. In my experience, location is a huge driver of attainment. Even in a field as regulated as mine, I know what difference location (even in thesame county) can make. Nationwide its more remarkable as earnings could almost double by switching location while still maintaining thesame or less workload and better QOL. Just like I highlighted the pros and cons of the British and Canadian visit visa system, different nations would come with different challenges. They'd hardly be thesame.