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@topic

I'm sorry to say this is the most stupid thing I've read this week. I'm starting to see now that this Yar Adua is more than a slowpoke. "Vision 20-20 this, ," "Vision 20-20 that." He may be Insane o. $1.7bn to build more roads in Abuja.

Abuja is the poster child for Nigeria's hypocrisy. The city is in place to show the world and world leaders who come to town what Nigeria looks like.
Case in point. The road is full of street lights as soon as you do the T-junction from the Airport unto that road; meanwhile, if you turn left towards Guru Junction, you'll see that barely 20 meters (just beyond the sight of say, a world leader, going to town) the street lights no longer exist.

I like Abuja though.

Where are the priorities? What is wrong with the old road? Yeah, ok. It is not great. True. It could be better. True. But is this what Nigeria needs now? How about spending that money on other things. Like roads in other places. How about Lagos to Onitsha or something like that. Whatever happened to novel Ideas. How about spending this $1.7bn in generating 1,000MW of Wind Power that can begin generating electricity immediately the project is completed since it won't need them to start begging for gas deliveries.

I don't think the best way to spend $1.7bn is to use it on Abuja Airport road o. This is fraud. Why so much anyway? There's already several lanes there already. It can never cost so much to add extra if Lagos to Kano would cost $7bn or so.


Chai!!   I don die!!!

@ proudly9ja

I gbadun you jo. You are making 100% sense.

@ bawolomo

Thanks my guy. I gbadun you.

@ Whoever it may concern.

I don't know why someone would just jump out and say "white people have no regard for life" as opposed to us black people who have great regard for life. And as opposed to us Nigerians who have great regard for life.

Go outside and look on the streets of Nigeria and tell me the groups who have regard for life in Nigeria.
Is it the government?
Is it the Police?
Is it the average Nigerian who sits bye and watches his fellow compatriot assaulted and murdered by security agents, robbers, or other neighbors?
Is it the average Nigerian who sees a bleeding person from an accident on the roadside and drives by with the excuse that he will have to answer the police or bribe them with N2,000 before he can leave after helping that person? Does this not person's life is not worth 5 hours of our time or N2,000 or even N10,000 or N100,000.

WHAT THE F*** IS WRONG WITH SOME NIGERIANS ANYWAY

And what is up with all the broad generalizations. Fewer people die from Suicide in the Average European Country than the number of Nigerians who die from Police brutality alone. No need to even mention armed robbery, and the most important cause of death in Nigeria - Gross Incompetence & Corruption in the government.

It is easy to say "Nigerians value life." Yeah, we do. We only value ours though. I pray nobody ever gets  a chance to find out how much a fellow Nigerian values your life one day while lying in a car wreck on the Lagos- Ibadan Expressway. You may be surprised by how little a lot of Nigerians value yours.

People need to quit generalising about others. I still believe some of the world's most screwed up people live in this country. So we need to tone down the rhetoric about how "the white man this, ", "the white man that, ".


By the way, who compiles statistics on suicide in Nigeria?? before someone assumes bragging rights that we value life. Where can a depressed person seek help in Nigeria. Ok. Maybe the Church or Mosque. What if this doesn't work for you? Anyone heard of a Psychiatric Hospital in Nigeria? NO. What we have are MENTAL HOMES or Institutions. Where we send "MAD" people to end their lives. Cause most of them won't ever leave anyway. Or better yet. We send them to Prison, or confinement.

What I'm saying is to quit the self righteous attitude that a lot of us carry along with us.


PEACE.

@chidichris

Well, the thought came to my mind because I read an article that stated he was a serious contender for the presidency before Baba Iyabo convinced him and a few others to back down for Oga Umoru.

@ Sky Blue

Wow. I salute you for taking the initiative and going through with it. Would like to thank you from the bottom of my heart. Makes me glad you are one of those in charge of the Nigerian Development Movement. Thanks so much.

@ ode remo

Na wa o. Sharp Sharp like that? In two years??

You mean the same Elumelu who was on AIT doing the power probe?
Na wa o. I heard he said some time ago that he was being witch hunted or something like that because he was constantly trying
to push forward the results of the probe. To what extent is this true??
I tire o.

I wonder what would be left of our foreign reserves by now?

Hello people. Sitting here reading posts on Nairaland, I just had this very disturbing thought pop into my head.
What would have happened to Nigeria if Ibori had contested (or been selected) for the 2007 election and won??      

Ladies and Gentlemen I have in my hands tonight's top 10 list. (Ok. not really) Just a list of votes for the remaining 8 wards said to have been collated at a Police station and unsigned by AC party agent and initially not accepted by Mama REC on 25th of April 2009.

These results were found on a website online. I don't know how true they are o.

Ward            No of reg. voters       votes for AC/ Fayemi         votes for PDP/Oni       Total no. of votes cast                 Winner       % voter turnout

Ido 1                      4,755                       708                                  285                             993                              AC/Fayemi           20.9%
Ilogbo                     3,728                       420                                  398                             818                              AC/Fayemi           21.9%
Osi                         3,521                       341                                  446                             787                              PDP/Oni               22.3%
Igbole/Ifisin/Aaye      3,496                       282                                  590                             872                              PDP/Oni               24.9%
Orin/Ora                  5,392                       386                                 2,002                           2,388                            PDP/ Oni              44.3%
Usi                          5,322                      583                                 3,561                           4,144                            PDP/Oni               77.9%
Ifaki 1                     3,791                        0                                   3,238                           3,238                            PDP/ Oni              85.4%
Ifaki 2                     4,905                        0                                   4,224                           4,224                            PDP/Oni               86.1%

Subtotal                 34,918                    2,720                                14,744                         17,464                             ??                      50%


Total(Ido/Osi)         45,986                   3,791                                 15,674                          19,465                            ??                   42.3%

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My people please comment.


     

source: http://groups.google.com/group/USAAfricaDialogue/browse_thread/thread/1f7ca9505285162e

Somebody join me now. Let's work the mathematics of this disputed election votes and see if AC or PDP, or both of them may have rigged it. I believe in the power of science and logical reasoning in settling our differences o.

Ok. here we go. Feel free to join in

Ido-Osi LGA - 11 wards to be contested. Total no. of registered voters - 45,986


Mama as well as both parties are said to have signed off on 3 wards on the 25th of April. These wards are

1. Ayetoro 1
2. Ayetoro 2
3. Ido  2


Alright. Now the results in all 3 wards were said to be: AC - 1070; PDP - 940. These results are supposedly undisputed by Mama, AC, or PDP as of the  night of 25th of April 2009. These results were entered into INEC records.
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Ward            No of reg. voters       votes for AC/ Fayemi         votes for PDP/Oni       Total no. of votes cast                 Winner       % voter turnout

Ayetoro 2          4,268                          369                                  203                                  572                        AC/ Fayemi             13.4%
Ayetoro 1          3,523                          402                                  274                                  676                        AC/ Fayemi             19.2%
Ido 2                3,277                          300                                  453                                  753                        PDP/Oni                  23.0%

Total                11,068                       1071                                930                                  2001                          ??                        18.1%

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Ok now, these are the results from 3 of the 11 wards. These results were signed by both Party's agents. And were said to have been accepted by Mama REC on the night of the election or so.

So far, we have accounted for 11,068 registered voters out of 45,986. This leaves us with 34,918 registered voters left.  We have also accounted for voter turnout of 2001 in 3 wards with average voter turnout of 18.1% in the 3 wards combined.

Can you folks please comment on these results noting that the total votes in all 11 wards amounted to 19,732.



Sources used in this compilation include:
http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=12125

http://groups.google.com/group/USAAfricaDialogue/browse_thread/thread/1f7ca9505285162e

Ladies and Gentlemen I have in my hands tonight's top 10 list. (Ok. not really) Just a list of votes for the remaining 8 wards said to have been collated at a Police station and unsigned by AC party agent and initially not accepted by Mama REC on 25th of April 2009.



Ward            No of reg. voters       votes for AC/ Fayemi         votes for PDP/Oni       Total no. of votes cast                 Winner       % voter turnout

Ido 1                      4,755                       708                                  285                             993                              AC/Fayemi           20.9%
Ilogbo                     3,728                       420                                  398                             818                              AC/Fayemi           21.9%
Osi                         3,521                       341                                  446                             787                              PDP/Oni               22.3%
Igbole/Ifisin/Aaye      3,496                       282                                  590                             872                              PDP/Oni               24.9%
Orin/Ora                  5,392                       386                                 2,002                           2,388                            PDP/ Oni              44.3%
Usi                          5,322                      583                                 3,561                           4,144                            PDP/Oni               77.9%
Ifaki 1                     3,791                        0                                   3,238                           3,238                            PDP/ Oni              85.4%
Ifaki 2                     4,905                        0                                   4,224                           4,224                            PDP/Oni               86.1%

Subtotal                 34,918                    2,720                                14,744                         17,464                             ??                      50%


Total(Ido/Osi)         45,986                   3,791                                 15,674                          19,465                            ??                   42.3%

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My people please comment.

I may need to start a new thread

     

source: http://groups.google.com/group/USAAfricaDialogue/browse_thread/thread/1f7ca9505285162e

Somebody join me now. Let's work the mathematics of this disputed election votes and see if AC or PDP, or both of them may have rigged it. I believe in the power of science and logical reasoning in settling our differences o.

Ok. here we go. Feel free to join in

Ido-Osi LGA - 11 wards to be contested. Total no. of registered voters - 45,986


Mama as well as both parties are said to have signed off on 3 wards on the 25th of April. These wards are

1. Ayetoro 1
2. Ayetoro 2
3. Ido  2


Alright. Now the results in all 3 wards were said to be: AC - 1070; PDP - 940. These results are supposedly undisputed by Mama, AC, or PDP as of the  night of 25th of April 2009. These results were entered into INEC records.
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Ward            No of reg. voters       votes for AC/ Fayemi         votes for PDP/Oni       Total no. of votes cast                 Winner       % voter turnout

Ayetoro 2          4,268                          369                                  203                                  572                        AC/ Fayemi             13.4%
Ayetoro 1          3,523                          402                                  274                                  676                        AC/ Fayemi             19.2%
Ido 2                3,277                          300                                  453                                  753                        PDP/Oni                  23.0%

Total                11,068                       1071                                930                                  2001                          ??                        18.1%

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Ok now, these are the results from 3 of the 11 wards. These results were signed by both Party's agents. And were said to have been accepted by Mama REC on the night of the election or so.

So far, we have accounted for 11,068 registered voters out of 45,986. This leaves us with 34,918 registered voters left.  We have also accounted for voter turnout of 2001 in 3 wards with average voter turnout of 18.1% in the 3 wards combined.

Can you folks please comment on these results noting that the total votes in all 11 wards amounted to 19,732.



Sources used in this compilation include:
http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=12125

http://groups.google.com/group/USAAfricaDialogue/browse_thread/thread/1f7ca9505285162e

Some interesting info courtesy of a pdf at www.nigeriavillagesquare.com

DIG John Ahmadu oversaw the Ekiti election from a security point of view.

"DIG John Ahmadu served as Delta State Commissioner under James Ibori. He is Ibori's candidate for the Inspector General of Police job."

Source: http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=12125

Does anyone know anything about this? Is it true?

@ Poster. If na play stop am o. This is not a joke o. Don't make unsubstantiated claims. Ma a begi fun e o.


Anyway, I don't understand this nonsense o. First people said this REC lady should come out and explain what she meant in her letter. She came out. Next the government put a gag order on her. Now, we can't hear what happened with the original rerun. I don't understand this country o.

My Guy, quote your source now!!
Why would you post something this serious without quoting a source??
Put a source there so I can laugh.

@ndividual

Yeah. Funny you should ask. It started in September. It is opposite the University teaching Hospital (aka State Hospital). Name is Platinum Games. Funny you should mention Friendly's Hotel. My family owns that.

Mmm. Your question is a difficult one to answer. You need a study on that to be sure. In addition, online broadband for gaming is not yet a reality in Nigeria. It is one thing for a Teenager or child to talk their parents into letting them get a PS3 or Xbox 360. It is a totally different thing to get them to agree to sign-up for an expensive broadband connection along with that. Anyway, I think LAN gaming is a better way to go for Nigeria; However, if you can afford the broadband connection and you're really into gaming, GO FOR IT. It should be fun.


Not so relevant but I started a gaming center in Ado-Ekiti as a side project last summer. So far we focus on console gaming - PS2, PS3; but we also have 4 PCs on a network (Soon to be expanded to - Call of Duty, Counter-Strike: Source, Crysis, Command & Conquer: Generals, Command & Conquer Tiberium Wars, Company of Heroes, Virtua Tennis 3, FIFA 08, Pro Evolution Soccer, and about 20 other games.

Like I said. Not so relevant to the question!!!

@ Otherwise.

Omo I gbadun you. I gbadun you. We should be friends o.

-This is coming from someone who lives in Kuwait.

I wonder why people on this forum don't post on highly enlightening and eye-opening threads like this rather than some of the utter nonsense that tends to draw so much attention.

I don't have problems with people of other races or cultures. However, this article has brought up a few things. Indians seem to have a problem. They have some of the most segregated and stratified systems known to the world. In their country, they have higher castes, middle castes, lower castes, lowest castes and many more in between. Why is that?
In that case, can we be surprised if a lot of them that come here consider us lower than them. I mean, they do the same to their own country men. I recently learnt that some of the caste system was based on skin color. I was asked to notice how many of the actors or actresses in Bollywood are dark indians; despite the fact that so many of their population appear to be brown or dark-skinned. I'm Nigerian. Both my parents are. Yet I'm lighter skinned than about 50% of the Indians who are my colleagues. A fact that never occurred to me until a white person actually made note of that to me.
I don't have problems with them Indians o. It seems however that some of them have problems with us.

Now. I heard these Vaswani guys supposedly have sole distributorship of Honda in Nigeria. I don't know how true it is o. My first thought was. WTF??
Are you kidding me? Since when does a company hold sole distributorship of a car in a country. Especially a country of 140 million people.
I have never heard of it o. And anyone who attempts to even acquire such is a thief and scoundrel. That's all I know o.
Once again. Don't judge me o. I said I wasn't sure of this rumor.

Anyway, With regards to everything I've just said, there is a Yoruba proverb, "Ibukun ni fun eni to fi obo lo yan, Egbe ni fun eni ta fi fun to gba". Translating to the best of my ability,

"Blessed is the person who takes another for granted (or makes a monkey of him), While Cursed is the man that allows himself to be taken for granted (or Made a monkey of)."

My Yoruba isn't perfect but I try my best. So, forgive me if you have a better translation. Feel free to re- enlighten me.


Anyway, My point for the proverb is this. You can't blame them for taking us for granted. I mean. We allowed it, didn't we? And we still do - That is the tragedy of the Black Race.


Thanks for reading my long post. God Bless You. Invest in Nigeria, but invest wisely. Peace.

The fact that Ayo Fayose is a free man today is one of those things that never ceases to amaze me about Nigeria. Being from Ekiti, I watched as this man spent N1.2 billion on a phantom poultry project, flew around town in a helicopter, and spent government money on over-inflated contracts. I think the problem here is that we in Africa are very good at congratulating ourselves on limited achievements. In another topic, someone said Ayo Fayose did a lot for Ekiti people including building good roads. What Roads? Have you ever been to Ekiti. Some of the worst roads in Nigeria today lie between Ekiti and Kogi state. Does the fact that a person in power did a few good things allow that their evils be overlooked. Can we say that because he did a few good things makes it ok for him to loot the treasury. Joseph Stalin played a very important role in resisting the spread of Nazi Germany. That does not make it ok that he killed approximately 20 million of his people during his time in power. I'm tired of Nigerians listing someone's good deeds as justification for their evils. I don' think I'd get a break if I walk up to God one day and say "Well, I saved 200 lives; so what if I raped and killed 100 women? That makes us even"

This is not mathematics o. You can't subtract your transgressions and good deeds and ever claim to "break even." That's not how the world should work.

Greetings.

I am in Need of a Generator capable of powering the following:

10 PCs
1 small Laser Printer
6 TVs and
3 ceiling fans
2 OX standing fans and
1 1.5hp Window Unit Air conditioner.


Someone suggested the TEC 5.5KVA petrol generator. I would like your opinions on this brand (TEC) and what what Generator Rating (Power) would work well for the above application. Also, Please let me know if anyone feels there are better options available.


Thanks for reading.


Thanks.

Greetings.

I am in Need of a Generator capable of powering the following:

10 PCs
1 small Laser Printer
6 TVs and
3 ceiling fans
2 OX standing fans and
1 1.5hp Window Unit Air conditioner.


Someone suggested the TEC 5.5KVA petrol generator. I would like your opinions on this brand (TEC) and what what Generator Rating (Power) would work well for the above application. Also, Please let me know if anyone feels there are better options available.


Thanks for reading.


Thanks.

@ Outstrip

In theory, there is nothing wrong with your suggestion. Actually, that is how it should work under IDEAL conditions, with each state in a country taking control of its own power supply and if necessary, joint collaboration between states or Regions. Unfortunately, Nigeria does not in any way represent IDEAL conditions. Due to the rampant corruption in our government on both the State and Federal levels, nobody is interested in giving more money to State Governors to possibly squander on proposed power generation. It is important to remember that Power generation costs a lot of money. For example

Gas- Powered Generation (Type Used in Nigeria) usually costs between US$1 - 1.3billion per 1000MW, excluding unforeseen circumstances
Wind- Powered Generation usually costs between US$2 - 2.5billion per 1000MW
Solar Powered Generation usually costs betweeen US$7 - 10 billion per 1000MW.


So, if a single state decides to embark on power generation to meet all of that said state's energy demands (by individual consumers, businesses and industries), let us assume to the amount of 2,000MW (US$ 2 - 2.6billion or N300 - N390billion Naira), it is easy to see why the Federal government won't be interested in coughing up this large amount. I'm not saying this isn't how it should work. What I'm saying is that this "I must chop Mentality" present in all levels of Government will prevent even that US$2 - 2.6billion from ever materializing into 2,000MW. And even the President, PHCN, and the State Governors are aware of this.


That being said, I believe Nigeria is in an excellent position to learn from the mistakes of other countries. I think by shifting some of our investment into alternatives like Wind Power, we may be able to kill two birds with one stone. We would be able to minimize, and subdue our dependence on gas pipelines charging halfway through the country to supply power plants. Two, we would be able to also minimize our impact on the environment. I'm not advocating shifting the nation to Wind Power. Wind Power also has its disadvantages. But I think if even 10-15% of our power investment goes to such areas, we may see the benefit later on. Wind Power may be the last resort for states geographically positioned in Zones where it is feasible, particularly if the states or private power companies intend on embarking on their own power projects. Seriously, Because a state or private company builds a 500MW power plant does not mean government, or "the powers that be" would be interested in piping gas all the way to your plant. After all, you are attempting to take a piece of their "pie." Look for example at the recently resolved power/ gas crisis between Russia and some of the Eastern European countries. Power Plants do not necessarily translate to power generation. This is particularly true for Gas- Powered Plants.


In addition, I believe that in the future we can also better learn to conserve energy as our supplies increase. Hopefully, when we do get increased supply, we would not use electricity the way that people in the west do. The government can put in place measures that would compel people to save energy (like using power-saving bulbs). Measures that governments in countries who have enjoyed constant electricity for so many years are now trying to persuade their residents to implement.

Slightly off-topic, small businesses still remain the driving force of a National Economy yet small business is frowned upon in this country of mine. These are the entities most likely to benefit from having their power needs met. Small businesses generate jobs that on individual assessment may not seem significant but cumulatively are capable of putting the majority of a countriespopulation to work. Hairdressers, Neighborhood stores, cybercafes, and all manner of small business cannot be encouraged and profitable if cheap power supply is not available. This represents the easiest and best means to elevate Nigeria into the top 20 economies in the world.


Good Day!!!

A 30% interest rate isn't so bad o,,  ,  ,  ,  .   if you intended to start your own cocaine manufacturing and distributing business with the money. Guess it won't be so hard to pay back the 130% the following year.

Thank you all for the interest.

I agree with Charlesmud on not rushing. I think we need to plan this out. I do believe that we can continue the list of objectives that someone tried posting earlier in the thread. So, would people like to post possible objectives? At least we can hear their ideas about this or that.


@proudly9ja: I'll send my yahoo address once I get my messenger working in a few hours.



God Bless Nigeria

@ smooooooth  & Charlesmud

What about Next Generation Movement of Nigeria (NGN or NGMN)?

I decided to squish the names up so we don't take so much space and get thrown out of the forum.

Name  --------------------  Charles
Location------------------- Western Europe
occupation/interests--- ---
Candidate Number ----- 1
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Name  --------------------  Young
Location------------------- Abuja, Nigeria
occupation/interests--- xxxx
Candidate Number ----- 2
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Name: Oluseyi
Location: UK
Interests: Engineering
Candidate Number ----- 3
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Name: Oluwabusayo
Location: Kuwait
Interests: Business
Candidate Number ----- 4
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Name: 'dedayo (Busy_body)
Location: Yabaleft, UK Cool
Interests: Business
Candidate Number ----- 5
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Please "copy and paste" and then add your info.

Name  --------------------  Charles

Location------------------- Western Europe

occupation/interests--- ---

Candidate Number ----- 1

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Name  --------------------  Young

Location------------------- Abuja, Nigeria

occupation/interests--- xxxx

Candidate Number ----- 2

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Name: Oluseyi

Location: UK

Interests: Engineering

Candidate Number ----- 3

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Name: Oluwabusayo

Location: Kuwait

Interests: Business

Candidate Number ----- 4

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Please "copy and paste" and then add your info underneath.

@pixiraver & Charlesmud

I'm amazed at the amount of support you guys are giving. Thanks for taking this idea very seriously.
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Like pixiraver, I am willing to pay for the website and hosting. But we first of all need a name. Then, we can get the website.
No name. No website. No point in rushing ahead. We need to plan this properly. Nothing wrong with spending a few days to weeks throwing ideas back and forth.

About the post in which someone noted that we should hurry before people lose interest. With all due respect, I think we are mostly interested in dedicated individuals. Not just hyperactive individuals with flights of ideas who will move on to another thing in a few days/ weeks. Basically, what I'm saying is that those who will lose interest will irrespective of how fast we are.


LET'S DO THIS RIGHT.




I've been thinking about whether or not we need the word "Youth" in the movement. While we may need the help of elders and not want to alienate this. I think this is one of the things that is supposed to differentiate us from some of the other movements that exist. Let me know what you all think.

I also support proudly9ja's ideas on the regions.

@youngies ; I think the meetings may be a good idea. I however agree with you that most of the time, the problem with Nigerian meetings like such is too much talk. I think we would have to hold meetings only when we want to make major decisions and debates. For example, we can hold a meeting to debate and vote on whether to support Candidate A of party A and Candidate F of party F since we don't want to be dogmatic and ask people to surrender their will to us while we tell them who they must or must not vote for. Some things like this have to be done face to face.  

Alright. Members from the posts at present are.

-pixiraver
-jensinmi
-Charlesmud
-B.O.S.S
-latox
-proudly9ja
-Busy body
-Sky Blue
-youngies
-amosexy


I'm still not sure how we would keep tab of the names o. for a start, I think we can have people just "copy and paste" the list and then add their names, location and interests/ occupation to the bottom. Kinda like a petition.

My thanks to both latox and charlesmud for their notable contributions. At this count, our list swells to five people who are highly interested in this project/ party/ forum. I agree with latox that it doesn't even need to be a political party. It can be a highly organized forum that throws its weight behind honest, and truthful individuals.

so far

-pixiraver
-jensinmi
-Charlesmud
-B.O.S.S
-latox


Thanks all.