₦airaland Forum

Beorn:
I blame them and the FG because they're the biggest culprits. Who brought the Holocaust movies to our screen if not for Hollywood? So what excuses do we have? Are our movies even intelligent? The average Nigerian movie (except for the new ones) takes few weeks or even a month to produce, while scripting alone in Hollywood takes several months.

In Dangal, the director read about the story, interviewed the family to get insight of the movie he's about to produce, then went on a diet for months to assume the role of the man whose family were being talked about.

Spielberg took several months gathering information about the Holocaust story, reading the book, interviewing the man that told the story, getting the right script about the movie. He famously sent back one of the script writers when he found her script to be too short to infuse all the details he needed. He extended the "ghetto liquidation scene" because he had read the book and wanted that scene to convey the message of pain. This shows a man that's interested in story.

How many of our directors can be this bothered about any story on slavery? Do they even read books on slave trades? Are there even books on slave trades from a Nigerian POV about what happened over here?

The excuse of sponsorship is not strong enough. Genevieve Nnaji's latest Braveheart movie was not produced with her own money alone, she got other sponsors who invested in the movie. A top director like Kunle Afoloyan with connections to influential men in power can get sponsors if he's interested in such movies. Or maybe, just maybe, if they can write a good script worthy of adaptation and pitch it to these Hollywood companies, one of them may sponsor them. They don't need my meager cash to produce good movies. That's not an excuse.

Bro, you are 100% right on this one. Our top producers should have the funds to make such films.I was wrong. Money isnt the issue, ignorance is.

Still though, I was thinking of doing a documentary on a colonial-mentality in Nigeria. My main problem is that I know next to nothing about film-making . lol.....dead project.

Beorn:
We both agreed that whites pioneered slave trade and caused extreme pains on us with it. I'm not arguing that. I'm not also arguing that the whites haven't done enough on the FULL details of our harrowing experience in that era. But what are we doing about it as Africans? What's stopping us from saying our side of the story? If the whites won't tell the full gory stories, why are we mum about it?

These are the important questions to ask. Why weren't the FG trying to involve scholars and historians to interview people that survived the slave trades, the various families affected who lost their loved ones? The FG are busy looting our wealth to care about these things. Those bastards are more interested in taking our money abroad to bother.

We're not helping matters. The whites will never tell the full story and the dumb Africans are too docile to act. Hotel Rwanda was a Hollywood production telling an African story about the Rwanda genocide. How many African-produced films have talked more on the genocide? Therein lies the problem.

In Rwanda, the Tutsis genocide by the Hutus are being taught in schools despite the painful experience behind it, but here in Naija, History which has been massively edited by the whites was removed entirely. Why are we this useless? The whites are to be blamed but the blacks are aiding them cover up their atrocities.

Okay. So now that we are on the same page.

I am a film producer myself. I just need funding. I need to raise 5 million Naira for my documentary on neo- colonialism. I am also an African prince. My account no is 4196666419. GTB bank. Please donate.


Jokes apart, it is easy to blame Nigerian producers for not taking on educational projects but would you invest in their projects when they want to do such?

LordReed:
Well maybe just a social group?

Yeah.

Primesky:
Very cheap propaganda!.

The devil is a liar, a thief and a sore loser!. No matter how hard he tries, the church of Jesus Christ will keep marching on.

This attacks are not just against religion, but against the faith of believers in Jesus Christ. I do not preach religion, neither is true Christianity a mere religious practice, but a call to fellowship with God, a dynamic walk with God by faith, not just a set of ablusions, and observances.

Contend for your faith O Christians, the enemy is after your faith.

One may say, but it's not just against Christians, but I say, the faith in Jesus Christ is the target. The Fisher man may be targeting a Mackerel or a Sadine, but when he casts his net, he catches all manner of divers other kinds of fish.

Revelation 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Hold fast to your faith in God through Christ Jesus. If you loose your faith, you've lost your visa and ticket to heaven. Be wise children of God, the devil is not stupid. By the help of the Holy Spirit of God, we shall match and stand against him toe to toe.

Sharrap!


Nigeria is in its 50's. In over 50 years, what has God done for Nigeria?

To hell with religion and God.

Beorn:
Bro, when I tell people that if there's ever a second coming, I still want to be black, but don't ever want to be born anywhere near Africa especially Nigeria, the emboldened is exactly why I do say it.

The emboldened questions left me laughing because once again you're blaming the whites only and ignoring our dumb leaders. Read the link below, it exposes how useless, pathetic, backward and myopic our leaders are.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/03/history-ends-nigeria/

While the whites embraces the past and try to learn from it where necessary, in our case, our fellow blacks REMOVED History from our curriculum. The whites had absolutely nothing to do with why we don't learn or write History in our institutions. Your fellow blacks caused it. But here you go again blaming them. How did the whites stop us from learning or teaching History? Was a white man our president when we banned History subject in Nigeria? Our leaders scared of the atrocities and destruction of their past activities banned History so the next generations will not learn the truth.

This is the 20th century and we're independent, what's stopping us from teaching slave topics in our school even though they are foreign curriculum? The excuse that we're using foreign curriculum doesn't hold water. We are just too foolish to realize histories are meant to be retold, preserved and passed down from generation to generation. Oyibos tell their stories, maybe hide the devilish ones, but we destroy ours and promulgate laws to remove any vestige of our past.


Just like the slave masters wouldn't let go of their slaves without a fight, the whites may never tell the full stories, but it's up to the slaves to fight for their freedom, it's up to us the Africans to make it mandatory that our stories are published and brought to the screens for generations to learn of the atrocities of the whites. It's up to us to make it a part of History curriculum. The whites won't do that for u. The whites are pioneers of slavery, but they have tried at least to some good extent to tell the stories of our sufferings in over 20 movies. What have we done as Africans to show the evil the slave trade wrecked on us? By producing IQ-depeleting movies Like Blackberry Babes part 1 to 6.

The whites owes us nothing when it comes to telling our stories, if we're too unperturbed to tell it, then let's shut the hell up and continue living in stupidity. I

Bro, you post a 2014 article from the Vanguard about removing history from the curriculum. That is a house Nigger move mennn. How can you blame our leaders for a problem that white people started? Our leaders only made it worse.

1) History was never properly taught from the beginning of Nigerian education in the 19th century.
2) History was already dead in the schools, as noted by your vanguard article.
3) The vanguard article is poorly referenced and poorly written, it doesnt quote any source from the ministry of education
4) Oga, I am not a small boy, I finished secondary school long before 2014


In summary, you desperately went in search of stuff to defend your white slave master. Stop that.



Jokes aside, there is another reason why slave trading history is not known or accepted in Nigeria. Religion. A christian will never accept that the Europeans that came to pack slaves were God-fearing christians. The bible supports slavery as well. The whites brainwashed our forefathers with christianity.

Then there is islam. The muslim Arabs were the original slave traders of blacks. Slavery is supported in islam. Which muslim is ready to accept this truth.


Oga, the white man carries most of the blame today for us not knowing our history. You cannot argue against this fact. I am not surprised that many Nigerian movie producers cannot make slavery films. The worst is that our producers even paint the white missionaries as good people. Cognitive dissonance does not allow them to see meaning in Chinua Achebe's "Things Fall Apart".


*drops mic*

Primesky:
SMH. Just that?. You've been a Christian, a Muslim, an atheist. Hmm... Impressive CV. So tell me, what do you know?. How old are you?. All your experiences combined, how long have you experienced what it is you've experienced?.

See, let me tell you. We all are still learning about this great God. No angel knows everything about God, they like us, are learning about Him everyday, despite being in existence before us. So, what do you know?.

If you're left alone with Satan, or even his least ranking fallen angel companion to argue a point, they individually will floor and disgrace you. Imagine, they believe in the existence of God and really fear Him but you don't!. So what do you know?.

How well do you now the oceans God made?. How well have you traveled across the Cosmos the almighty made?. How well do you know your own very body?.

What do you know?.

Scientists and discoverers have not stopped discovering more things God made, so what have you really seen?.

Scientists are constantly updating and changing their stand about what they think they know exist with knew discoveries. So who are you and what do you know?.

So you're telling me now that all these things, as ordered and unique as they are, came out of nothing, fixed themselves together, established laws for themselves and have continued till now in perfect order by themselves?. Please can you replicate that in your house?.

What is the idea behind 'cause and effect' theory?. So what caused everything to come about since there is no God?. Please tell me. Thank you.

Your questions make no sense.

First, if you apply cause and effect to God, you would realise that something had to cause/create God.

Secondly, ignorance is not an argument. You cannot argue that God exists since we do not know everything in the cosmos.



Satan does not exist and neither does God. Stop believing in imaginary things. You are a Nigerian. After all your prayers has Nigeria changed for the better?

Beorn:
Searching 9/10.

I never thought there would be any movie I'd rate above the 8.5 I gave to Avengers: Infinity War till I watched Searching last night. This movie along with Upgrade shows low budget movies still got it. Very simple but yet educative, suspense-filled, with enough shocks and twists along the fun ride.

My world. Nah, I rate this movie as my best of 2018 so far. The concept is refreshing and new, the directing and storyline is top notch. This movie was close to perfection. I'm yet to find a single plot hole!!

The guy that recommended this movie yesterday, you're the man of the week. Salute!!

I am going to download the movie.

Bros, I swear, if I find out that you overrated the movie and that I wasted my mb, I will come and beat you in your house

Beorn:
There have been many movies and documentaries that touched on the black slavery and what our forefathers/blacks passed through. For example, 12 Years a Slave, Selma, Amistad, 500 Years Later (a documentary), The Birth of a Nation (both that of 1915 and 2016), Rosewood (I cried as a kid when I watched the movie), Roots (mini-series), Sankofa, Killer of Sheep, etc. So many of them.

We have movies on racism like Malcom X. Movies on apartheid like Sarafina and Long Walk to Freedom.

But all these movies are Hollywood production, they may not be as much as Holocaust movies, or as detailed as them, but they're out there. Now the big question is, what are Africans doing to tell their stories? Nobody can tell it better than us. We're the ones that suffered yet foreigners are the one telling our stories for us. Do we even keep records of those pasts?

How many novels have you heard of about slave trade survivors? Google Holocaust survivors stories and see how the survivors tell their stories in both paper and digital publication, and how the whites penned them down and brought them to the cinemas. The Amistad movie about black slavery was directed by Spielberg, a white man, who also directed Schindler's List, a Holocaust movie. Instead our African movie directors, especially Nollywood and Ghollywood, are focused on romance and voodoo movies that adds no intelligence to us. What are our movie directors doing to bring the harrowing and grotesque suffering of the slaves survivors to our TVs?

We need to stop blaming the whites for everything, especially things we'd do ourselves. If they're telling the Holocaust stories more, then we do the same for slave trades. They're likely to be biased in telling slave tales, but at least they have tried to tell them. What have we the victims done to shed light on our travails? Instead I'm here watching Wedding Party, Kiss Me Quick, Osuofia in London and the rest of the Nollywood grade A nonsense movies.

We're part of the blame, if not all of it.

You are right but unfortunately, you are right about a different matter from what I am talking about

Yes, we should not blame everything on the white man. We should help ourselves. Unfortunately, this is one issue that the white man fully carries the blame.

How do you expect Nigerians to do movies about slavery when they have been forced into ignorance about slavery by white men? Why is slavery not taught in secondary schools? Did you learn about Jaja of Opobo in schools? The white man's educational syllabus is what our educational system is founded on. WHY ARE WE NOT TAUGHT PROPER HISTORY IN SECONDARY SCHOOLS? WHO EVEN WRITES HISTORY IN WAEC?


Dont be a house Nigger



Slavery was an American problem. The holocaust was not an American problem. America only fought the Nazis when they were threatened by the "axis of evil". There are milions of white people who have slavesmasters as their ancestors. Millions of African Americans who have slaves as ancestors.

From 1990 till present, I think that there are about only 10 films that deal with slavery. That is 10 films in almost 30 years. Not good enough.

Beorn:
Explain.

I am an activist and a humanist. I am an activist for the mental emancipation of black people- home and abroad.


The real holocaust is the slavery of black people the occurred for over 300 years. We keep hearing that Hitler is the most evil person in history. Hitler was evil but you cannot compare a holocaust of less than a decade to slavery of people for many centuries.

You can easily count the african slavery movies that have come out from 1990 till date. However, there are so many movies that have the holocaust as a plot. Even captain America fought Nazis. Hollywood and white america like to put themselves in good light.

Did you know that in 1945 when they were fighting Hitler, blacks did not have civil rights (until the 60s)?

budaatum:
Na, not on any atheist whatsapp. Haven't found one I guess. Maybe we should create one.

I'm surprised. I thought you would even be leading some groups sef.

HappyPagan:
Men... Been a while..

Recently found out dagr8 died.... Humbledbygrace posted it on the Christian thread...

RIP to him.

Notorious HBG.

So sad to hear about dagr8.

Beorn:
I swear down. Only Crews made me laugh because of his funny face not because he did anything funny.

Crews is always funny.

Beorn:
It's a historical DRAMA movie. A genre a lot of people find boring. So, don't use my rating to judge, keep an open mind so that if you don't like it, you won't be disappointed. But for me, the movie was interesting. At the very least, a 7.5/10.

I have purposely stopped watching Holocaust movies. It is part of my black power activism.

budaatum:
I suggest that 'the Abrahamic God killed or caused people to die,' was written in the Christian Holy Book by a rather incompetent journalist who didn't bother to check for evidence of the dead and what killed them, neither of which I am certain you have any evidence for apart from what you've read.

Since evidence had not been checked, the best that should have been written would have been, "Millions of people died, or were killed. It was claimed by some that the Abrahamic God done it". But, as is said in Porgy and Bess, "The things you are likely to read in the Bible, it ain't necessarily so!" And I'm betting you don't buy that piece of butter like fake news claptrap anyway.

The Abrahamic God did not kill anyone! The truth, more likely is, some people died or were killed, and rather than take responsibility for killing them, and in the flood instance, finding out why they died, some people blamed it on their imaginary god and reported it as we now read it.

Unless you're buying into the inability of some to take responsibility for their actions, or buy in to the vivid imagination or the plain ignorance they employ to justify their iniquity. In which case go Capslocked over in the religious thread please. They buy that sort of crap!

Wassap Buda?

Ae you on any atheist whatsapp? I need to talk to atheists in Nigeria. Shit gets lonely at times.

LordReed:
What is the difference between an agnostic and an atheist.

Have you learnt the difference yet?

Damn!

This thread died after some time.

happypagan? You remember the old days?

Sorry to bother you 2018

A foolish movie. Waste of mb. The jokes don't really land. It tries to be more intelligent than it is. The comedy is just all over the place.

I get the whole anti-capitalist satire but it is just a weird movie. I dont know why it has high ratings.


4.5/10.

Liliyann:
Now this is the real definition of a REAL MAN!!!
A man that understands a woman!
A man that knows what it takes to treasure and take care of a woman!!
These are the type of men we are taking about!
I wish all men can borrow sense from him, when you are on a date, spend real cash,stop pinching money and expect the lady to split bills with you!!
A real man caters for a lady's need wholeheartedly without grumbling, coz he knows the value of the woman!!!

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winningwinner:
It will be proper if you can advise your father on how best to raise his children because he did a very bad job in raising you up.
If I can ask again, who are you and what do you stand for in Christianity? Your eternal well being and salvation do not depend on how artful you can be in debates. I can't engage a fry in a debate of professionalism. You don't qualify!

See this church fanatic talking. Awon slaves of pastors.

Arsenal concedes!

Silly passing in their half

1-1!

The guy has every right to be ashamed of being a christian.


Every other day, one pastor or one church is committing disgusting atrocities.

The very bible that christians rely on has been edited and manipulated into a brainwashing text by pastors. They focus on any bible passage that gives pastors more power and opportunity to milk and control the church members.

Christianity is a sham.

bolagabriella:
@Jeromeblack
Do consider what Beorn said, the grudge is not just worth the energy it saps.

I have considered and accepted what Beorn said.

Abeg, let us move back to talking about movies. The catfight has ended we all know who is who now.

Venom review loading.................

ibkayee:
Venom - 5.9/10

Decent movie, entertaining but not amazing, a few far-fetched and unrealistic moments but I still enjoyed it. Graphics were good. [s]Also, I was kind of attracted to Venom in some scenes, there's something wrong with me. [/s]

Dark, tall, muscular and quite funny. Venom- a true ladies man

Vihcahdhez:
Please where are you from?

Tramadol avenue, Codeine town.

The op seems high.

Beorn:
I've enjoyed some of your trolling of ishilove TBH, but when it's only targeted at one individual, it sucks away the fun out of it. I understand your jokes and sarcasm just feel like it's targeted at only Ishi.

Of course, she is the main target. But it seems excessive and so, I will focus on writing my reviews.

JeromeBlack:
I agree with you. But to be honest, trolling is fun.

As a movie fan, you should know that hate is a very powerful tool. Much more powerful than love. Why do you think batman beats up criminals? The guy has never gotten over the hate he has for criminals who killed his parents.

Embrace the dark side, Beorn. Let the hate flow through you.
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Beorn,


Upon reading my comment again, i want to make it clear that I was joking about the dark side and batman. Many people here seem not to understand sarcasm and jokes.

I am not angry ooo. I let go of my anger towards ishilove many years ago. Please, my antics here are all done for fun.

alexistaiwo:
I definitely won't want to have you as my psychologist

That's okay, i wouldnt want to waste time listening to the mental problems of an expert buttlicker of ishilov.e

Beorn:
From your narration and hers, both stories checks out and I've known where the issue started. It's not worth the bad blood between you two IMO.

See ehn, what I'm about to type, this is the first time ever that I'm typing the issue on here. Back when Ishilove was a supermod she banned my old moniker. . . . UNJUSTLY. I was very pissed but it's nothing compared how mad I was after complaining to another supermod, Obinoscopy_, and he couldn't overturn my ban, maybe coz it's a mod thingy or he wanted to nave Ishi's back. Whichever reason it was, I felt angry.

Coming online to see Ishi still posting freely then made me boil. Months later, I moved on from the ish without a grudge because I'm the type that doesn't hold onto negative vibes or inconsequential things like online bans. When Ishi left the job, a lot of Nairalanders took every opportunity to mock her but I didn't. I wasn't angry anymore. In short, I'd have been mad at myself if I was still holding on to a useless and flimsy grudge because of a Nairaland ban that doesn't add anything meaningful to me.

What I'm saying is, 5 years is an awful long time to let go of your anger towards anybody on Nairaland because of a little issue. If it's something serious like defrauding you over an online transaction, then I'd understand. You don't have to forgive her, but you can choose to forget the issue and stop antagonizing her at every slightest opportunity.

I agree with you. But to be honest, trolling is fun.

As a movie fan, you should know that hate is a very powerful tool. Much more powerful than love. Why do you think batman beats up criminals? The guy has never gotten over the hate he has for criminals who killed his parents.

Embrace the dark side, Beorn. Let the hate flow through you.
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KoiceReloaded:
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Two people that quarrel this much, there must be something there. They are certainly very passionate about one another.

She used to love me. Back in 2013, she was jobless and I was balling in Europe. She sent me some emails but I wasn't interested.

MJBOLT:

the both of you should just get married

I have offered to upgrade ishilove so that she wouldn't be waiting to download movies on her pentium 2 laptop. VIP lounge at genesis cinemas.

Also, VIP lounge at bayswater cinema when we are in London.


But alas, many men have chopped her snail and dumped her on such promises, so she remains skeptical.

MJBOLT:

ishilove and jeromeblack you guys should take your cat fight outside

It makes the thread interesting.